I was interested in the Chieftain at one point. Until I saw the Challenger in person. I took the Challenger out for a test run. HIGHLY in love with the Challenger. Plus I love how the fairing stays in place. I thought that would bother me until the sales lady broke it down for me. Here in Florida, we’d get random winds that could catch you off guard 😂. I’m from Cali though. Miss the weather big time. Especially right about now.
Isn't the Challenger amazing? 🤩As well as the Chieftain, of course, but they are completely different beasts! If you ever come back to California make sure to stop by the shop! We would love to see you and maybe you can take another Challenger for a little test run 😉
Thank you, Marco! We're thrilled that you enjoyed the video and found it informative. We will be sure to continue making videos like this one so that picking your perfect bike will be as easy as possible in the future.
The best review of these bikes hands down. I had no clue about one's liquid cooled and the other not. It's seems Indian got it backwards on the fairing mounts, I thought the Cheiftain was there tour bike but the challenger rides better on the highway, hmmm. Challenger for me
A great video. I rode a 2021 DH Chieftain at a test ride / demo day. I prefer the improved reliability of an air cooled engine. Less to go wrong. Then I bought a DH Chieftain. Then the windshield motor broke. I'm still happy. And I'm glad I bought it. Parts on order via the warranty.
Thank you for a very nice video. I'm going to see and maybe testride Indians bike on saturday (It's -17 degrees Celsius right now here in Sweden!) I wasn't ready to buy a bike again until I saw an Indian chieftain all in black, what a bike!
Ooooh the Chieftain Dark Horse... a truly incredible machine. We would love to hear about your test ride! Please, if you do a test ride let us know what you think!
All comes down to water cooling. Air cooled motors are less efficient and therefore need bigger displacements to produce more power then a smaller water cooled motor.
Really informational review! I'm in the beginning process of getting a new bike and it currently stands between these two. And also I love her saying "vertically challenged" instead of "short" 😂
We're glad you found it to be helpful! Good luck on your journey finding your new bike, glad we could provide information that hopefully helped you in finding it!
Good video. First time I've heard a horsepower number given for a Thunder Stroke 116 with stage 2 upgrades. 119hp seems about right with 140 ft-lb of torque. I have a Super Chief limited with stage 2 and a Lloydz tune and it's about 120 hp / 140 torque according to the Indian Tech who did the work.
Well spoken Angel you were very descriptive my neighbor just put a deposit on a challenger I didn’t realize they just came with it. I think it would’ve been a good idea to start the Challenger and then the chieftain just to hear the exhaust sound however I really enjoyed the video.
Thank you very much, this is the most in-depth video I've come across. Will you be doing a video on the 2021 Indian touring models? I've got some weakness in my left wrist, the fixed fairing looks like the one for me.
Thank you for the kind words! We will be sure to make a video on the 2021 Touring models, so stay tuned for that one! It seems like a challenger outfitted with a truck may be your best bet. If you have any questions please feel free to reach out to us at 858 277 0422 :). Best of luck!
Absolutely Spectacular bikes, I love The two of them, nice video, good explanation , and with much respect very beautiful blond princess!!, Greetings!!
Yes we have had some bikes 😉and we completely understand the frustration with the wait time on preorders. We are all in the same boat and we can promise you its coming.. hang in there! Great choice on the Challenger Dark Horse, we are stoked for you!
Thank you! and agreed. It's definitely a difficult choice between two completely amazing and completely different bikes. If you ever have any questions please feel free to reach out to us! 858-277-0422.
Hey Jimmy, the liners I would recommend are the Indian Saddlebag Travel bags part number 2885131. We always try to have a set or two in stock at Indian Motorcycle of San Diego, give us a call. 😊
Narrow factory seat that's not very comfy plus her arss isn't against the back part of the seat she's actually standing toward the fuel tank I am 5'7 and own a 2020 roadmaster factory seat and throttle by wire are my 2 complaints other than that luve it
Great question! I’m not familiar with BMW specs as closely as Indian but here’s what I found. I could only pull specs for the K 1600 B which is running a Dual disc front brake, diameter 320 mm rotor, 4-piston fixed calipers in the front, and Single disc rear brake, diameter 320 mm rotor, double-piston caliper in the rear. Calipers appear to be “BMW.” The Challenger is running duel 320 MM, Semi-floating rotor, 4 piston radial caliper Brembo’s in the front, and a single 298mm floating rotor 2 piston caliper in the rear. So the breaking systems appear to be similar however not the same. 😊 Hope this helps, I always suggest scheduling a test ride for both bikes when comparing manufactures!
could you order one with the good looking Indian Faring? those are UGLY and don't scream Indian to me. I have a Roadmaster but someday soon I might want to upgrade, but quite honestly these are both just my bikes UGLY little sister :)
Polaris is pulling the same bull shit as HD. Over price their bikes and tell buyers they need to put thousands of $ more in accessories. What a bunch of crap!
Actually, these Indians have been proving that they are reliable since they debut back in 2014. Other than a few recalls for minor engineering changes, these have been great bikes. I had a 2018 Chieftain and traded it in for a Road Glide and have regretted since. I will be back on an Indian soon. A lot more bike than what the other manufacturer gives you
I have a 2016 and 2018 Chieftain Dark Horse, never one issue, not sure where you are getting your information from. My buddies new HD RG has been to the dealership for electrical issues 3 times now.
Make a Challenger with a fairing that looks more classic like the one on a Chieftain and I'm sold.
That would be a pretty legendary bike for sure..!
Yep. Those Challenger fairings are butt ugly.
I love my Chieftain dark horse, handles really well, very comfortable, riding a 1000 miles a month around Europe.
I was interested in the Chieftain at one point. Until I saw the Challenger in person. I took the Challenger out for a test run. HIGHLY in love with the Challenger. Plus I love how the fairing stays in place. I thought that would bother me until the sales lady broke it down for me. Here in Florida, we’d get random winds that could catch you off guard 😂. I’m from Cali though. Miss the weather big time. Especially right about now.
Isn't the Challenger amazing? 🤩As well as the Chieftain, of course, but they are completely different beasts! If you ever come back to California make sure to stop by the shop! We would love to see you and maybe you can take another Challenger for a little test run 😉
@John Spencer Thank you for some background on the frame mounted fairing! It's an excellent design.
Thst challenger is like a harley roadglide,ive rd all the baggers,roadglide for the rest of my life...
Im leaning toward an indian for my replacment bike as i lost my roadglide in a fire😢😢😢
You and the people with you are above average video makers a Y'all should definitely make more videos 🍀
Love from DeKalb Mississippi USA 🇺🇲♥️
Spot on! Best comparison on the entire internet!!! Wished I would have seen it before I bought my chieftain but I knew most of the things.
Thank you, Marco! We're thrilled that you enjoyed the video and found it informative. We will be sure to continue making videos like this one so that picking your perfect bike will be as easy as possible in the future.
The best review of these bikes hands down. I had no clue about one's liquid cooled and the other not. It's seems Indian got it backwards on the fairing mounts, I thought the Cheiftain was there tour bike but the challenger rides better on the highway, hmmm. Challenger for me
Thank you! were glad you enjoyed this video and found it helpful! The Challenger is definitely one badass bike, great choice!
Love those Indian motorcycles❣️
They just keep getting better and better👍
Very professinnal and complete! Best video so far on the subject !! Many thanks.
Just bought the chieftain, same color as the one in the video. I love it…❤️👍🏾
The radar blue is stunning 😍 Congratulations, Jack!
A great video. I rode a 2021 DH Chieftain at a test ride / demo day. I prefer the improved reliability of an air cooled engine. Less to go wrong. Then I bought a DH Chieftain. Then the windshield motor broke. I'm still happy. And I'm glad I bought it. Parts on order via the warranty.
Excellent choice on the Chieftain Dark Horse! Such a gorgeous bike. Were stoked you're happy with your decision! thank you for the kind comment :)
Great video. Probably the best I have seen on comparing these two bikes.
Thank you so much for the kind feedback! if you're ever in San Diego, come visit us 😊
Thank you for a very nice video. I'm going to see and maybe testride Indians bike on saturday (It's -17 degrees Celsius right now here in Sweden!) I wasn't ready to buy a bike again until I saw an Indian chieftain all in black, what a bike!
Ooooh the Chieftain Dark Horse... a truly incredible machine. We would love to hear about your test ride! Please, if you do a test ride let us know what you think!
What a babe! These bikes are both awesome but IMHO the Challenger wins in all aspects except looks.
The Challenger is a killer machine for sure. were glad you can agree 😉
She sure does look good on those bikes
Wow! Challenger has smaller displacement but punches out more power than the Chieftain?!! Unreal! Great info and clip
It's pretty incredible, right?! Thank you for taking the time to leave a kind comment, we're glad you found this video helpful!😊
All comes down to water cooling. Air cooled motors are less efficient and therefore need bigger displacements to produce more power then a smaller water cooled motor.
indian really checked marked all the boxes!
wonder why they decided to not go hydraulic clutch actuator?
excellent review!
larry
Cable is better in friction control
Really informational review!
I'm in the beginning process of getting a new bike and it currently stands between these two.
And also I love her saying "vertically challenged" instead of "short" 😂
We're glad you found it to be helpful! Good luck on your journey finding your new bike, glad we could provide information that hopefully helped you in finding it!
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oh, and the bikes are nice , too.
Great and thorough comparison...Excellent job
The Challenger is the 1 it is A modern bike
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Agreed! Thank you for the love, David!
Very nice bikes if I bought one, it would be the chieftain. I like them better than Harleys 👍
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well done video....great job on the items you pointed out.
Good video. First time I've heard a horsepower number given for a Thunder Stroke 116 with stage 2 upgrades. 119hp seems about right with 140 ft-lb of torque. I have a Super Chief limited with stage 2 and a Lloydz tune and it's about 120 hp / 140 torque according to the Indian Tech who did the work.
Good video. Thanks for the breakdown.
Well spoken Angel you were very descriptive my neighbor just put a deposit on a challenger I didn’t realize they just came with it. I think it would’ve been a good idea to start the Challenger and then the chieftain just to hear the exhaust sound however I really enjoyed the video.
Thanks for the feedback, Paul! We're glad you enjoyed the video😊
Awesome videos..thank you
Now give the Springfield some love!
Its coming 😉
Love the challenger.
Well done young lady! Nice vid.
Thank you, Jeff, we appreciate you!
Thank you very much, this is the most in-depth video I've come across. Will you be doing a video on the 2021 Indian touring models?
I've got some weakness in my left wrist, the fixed fairing looks like the one for me.
Thank you for the kind words! We will be sure to make a video on the 2021 Touring models, so stay tuned for that one! It seems like a challenger outfitted with a truck may be your best bet. If you have any questions please feel free to reach out to us at 858 277 0422 :). Best of luck!
you did miss something on the challenger.. 11:1 comp right out of the crate!
What an awesome comparive review. Challenger does it for me, and for many others (including Road Glide diehards) lol... 😅
Absolutely Spectacular bikes, I love The two of them, nice video, good explanation , and with much respect very beautiful blond princess!!, Greetings!!
You have to go over 100mph to feel the wind in the handler bars
Thought the challenger had electronic controlled shock through touch screen?
Hey Benjamin, the pursuit has the electronic suspension option stock, on 2022 Challengers you can add it!
Great job I just wish I had a dealer that wasn't 100 miles from my house.
I wish you guys made a factory trike.
Very helpful. Thanks so much.
I know the Springfield is essentially a Chieftain without the fairing. Are there plans to release a version of the Challenger without the fairing?
🤭 that would be pretty cool..but so far there aren't any plans that we know of! maybe we will try to put a word in 😏
Both GREAT bikes. But do a 4k upgrade on the challenger and you will smoke all baggers. Non juice non turbo crap. Promise.
Challenger 💯% 🙌🏼🤘🏼🙌🏼
YES! #challenger4life
You guys actually have bikes as of 3 weeks ago lol? I'm waiting an unknown amount of time for my new darkhorse challenger...
Yes we have had some bikes 😉and we completely understand the frustration with the wait time on preorders. We are all in the same boat and we can promise you its coming.. hang in there! Great choice on the Challenger Dark Horse, we are stoked for you!
Nice video. Impossible choice lol.
Thank you! and agreed. It's definitely a difficult choice between two completely amazing and completely different bikes. If you ever have any questions please feel free to reach out to us! 858-277-0422.
What is the difference in the weight between the two?
Have you ever worked on the East coast
Aren’t the scouts liquid cooled as well
The video starts at 7:53
Anybody know where to get challenger bag liners? 21 darkhorse PLEASE
Hey Jimmy, the liners I would recommend are the Indian Saddlebag Travel bags part number 2885131. We always try to have a set or two in stock at Indian Motorcycle of San Diego, give us a call. 😊
I'd like a trunk bag online
How tall is she? I'm trying to gauge how the bikes fit her compared to how they might fit me at 5'8".
Angel Hacker is 5’10” Feel free to reach out if you need anymore comparison images.
Narrow factory seat that's not very comfy plus her arss isn't against the back part of the seat she's actually standing toward the fuel tank I am 5'7 and own a 2020 roadmaster factory seat and throttle by wire are my 2 complaints other than that luve it
I'd like to bagger.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Does the bmw k1200 have the same with the braking system?
Great question! I’m not familiar with BMW specs as closely as Indian but here’s what I found. I could only pull specs for the K 1600 B which is running a Dual disc front brake, diameter 320 mm rotor, 4-piston fixed calipers in the front, and Single disc rear brake, diameter 320 mm rotor, double-piston caliper in the rear. Calipers appear to be “BMW.” The Challenger is running duel 320 MM, Semi-floating rotor, 4 piston radial caliper Brembo’s in the front, and a single 298mm floating rotor 2 piston caliper in the rear. So the breaking systems appear to be similar however not the same. 😊 Hope this helps, I always suggest scheduling a test ride for both bikes when comparing manufactures!
@@indianmotorcycleofsandiego25 thank you!
Are you going to do videos in every foreign language, I thought this was still the United States of America.
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I want to buy a bike from her!
Come on over, Rob! We can definitely make that happen 💪
which bike comes with the MILF?
could you order one with the good looking Indian Faring? those are UGLY and don't scream Indian to me. I have a Roadmaster but someday soon I might want to upgrade, but quite honestly these are both just my bikes UGLY little sister :)
Hi Don! Which fairing do you prefer? The Challenger fairing or the Chieftain fairing?
@@indianmotorcycleofsandiego25 sorry I meant fender. the old school Indian fender
Polaris is pulling the same bull shit as HD. Over price their bikes and tell buyers they need to put thousands of $ more in accessories. What a bunch of crap!
Ugliest motorcycles on the road . Why would you buy one of these fugly motorcycles.
Take a fugly bike that’s road worthy anytime over a Chinese Road King that’s broken down again curbside 😂😂
The most sculpted, beautiful motorcycles on the road👍
Get ready for lots of electrical issues and recalls typical Polaris crap
Actually, these Indians have been proving that they are reliable since they debut back in 2014. Other than a few recalls for minor engineering changes, these have been great bikes. I had a 2018 Chieftain and traded it in for a Road Glide and have regretted since. I will be back on an Indian soon. A lot more bike than what the other manufacturer gives you
LOL. Hold my beer while I go get you a tissue..
I have a 2016 and 2018 Chieftain Dark Horse, never one issue, not sure where you are getting your information from. My buddies new HD RG has been to the dealership for electrical issues 3 times now.
Bwhahahahaha
Some people need to remember to take their medicine.