only if buying solar panels.. or wind generator... or some inverters... shit... I guess you're right LOL.. Proof they have accepted capitalism in the worst way.
MakeSkyBlue is the original, it has to be since it was around at aliexpress almost a year before the PowMr showed up. PowMr is just a copycat that ripp of others without doing any original work. He cant copy the makeskyblue algorithm because he does not understand it. That is why the algorithm of the PowMr is bad and it loses tracking a lot, ending up doing PWM charging very often. Chinese copying chinese cant be good. MakeSkyblue is definitely the better choice of them two. Its a good controller but Epever Tracer is still the best bang for the buck IMO.
My epever tracer 3210 connect to 800WP panel and powMr 60A connect to 880WP, at the end of the day.. every single day epever always win with at least 20% more energy than powMr. So I'd replace it with another 3210.
But I heard epever doesn't have good isolation power for MCU chipset,unlike powmr or MSB It means vurnerable when there is surge power or spoke that will permenantly damaged Mppt,maybe these one are calculated by manufacturer
Informative video! Subscribed! I got the latest product from MSB, which is v125. it is said that V125 can protect Li battery. And I chose the one with CloudBox. I hope you can test this version too
This POWMR is a kock off of the "MakeSkyBlue" charger (30A-V118) $80.00; 12V/24V/36V/48V; which means PowMr does not receive the same v119 hardware or software updates.
Thanks for the teardown. Looking at the insides and the menus the MakeSkyBlue one seems a little better. Banggood only has the PowMr though, so that's what I'm going to get.
You can tell that the PowMr is the knockoff from looking at the board inside, the fit and finish, and the hardware/firmware version. When the units first boot up they flash the hardware version. The MSB is using the latest V118 board. The Wifi version is V119 and has an added wifi module but is otherwise the same hardware/firmware as the V118. The PowMr is using a clone of the MSB hardware V113 board so it is older and running a far older firmware.
You can also proof that by looking at both websites. At first i thought it was the same company just making the ´´the others stole it from us ´´ up to increase sales Both websites state they are the original and the others stole their stuff but the MakeSkyBlue website has all moddels listet months before it apears on the PowerMR website since they need time to rip it off.
I just bought a ProMr, doing my first test I find the read out useless my recommendation have a meter that will give you a more accurate measurement. I also have a Makeskyblue which I have been using for two yrs now that one when I first got the reading was off as well but on calculating and resetting it now gives the correct readout the only thing after two years I notice it starts to degrade in performance hence I got the ProMr. Yes I try resetting the ProMr too but that don't work. Oh one more thing the Makeskyblue tracks allot faster. I will also say if you are going to buy any of the two MPPT change controller to use on lithium batteries make sure to calibrate them first to get the right reading are it may end up over charging your batteries still I give the Makeskyblue a higher marks over the ProMr. One more observation, even though the ProMr have a higher readout as it relates to volts when it come on to amps it reads a bit lower on the ProMr. I have 800w of s.panels on both change controllers. Man I now need to get a PWM change controller to do a comparison of read out but I trust the Makeskyblue readout far, far more than that of the ProMr.
Thanks for the review. It would be nice to see if really can pull 60 amps. Some time in the near future i will be going off grid and i was considering start with cheap PWM and after a while buy the PCM60X from MPP Solar. But this may be a cheaper option if it can do what they claim. Cheers.
Купил в разное время 3 контроллера PowMr 60a, все они завышают показатели по току (10%), есть завышение по напряжению на 0.3 на одном, не всегда сохраняются настройки после выкл\вкл, и самое страшное - на одном странное поведение, в моментах резкой большой нагрузки инвертора, когда контроллер переходит из простоя в мппт режим - он вдруг перестаёт использовать настройки верхней границы напряжения и использует 30-31в (24в система). Другие два делают резкий скачек , но через несколько сек возвращаются, а этот нет. Использую их на свинце, как будут работать с литием интересно. Еще не понравилось что нет никакой статистики, как в самых дешевых шим контроллераз - суточной выработки по Ач, ВтЧ, нет отдельной кнопки вкл\выкл нагрузки, нет юсб разъема, разъема под снятия данных по rs232, нет калибровки напряжения\тока, неудобные клеммы для проводов, а именно сечение для 60а явно маленькое. Как ваши контроллеры работают в системе? Оранжевый хорошо контролирует непревышение при скачках верхнее напряжение?
приветы. такая жен проблема. скопировали железяку с косячной прошивкой. пока что нашёл решение, судя по ютюбу, это впаять на шунт дополнительную проволку. ищу ещё видео процесса пайки или доказательства, что это решит проблему.
Hello. Voltage at Maximum Power (Vmpp) = 34.5 V Current at Maximum Power (Impp) = 9.59 A Open Circuit Voltage (Voc) = 40.2 V Short Circuit Current (Isc) = 10.1 A I have 2 monocrystalline solar panels of 330W from Tomatech whose values I wrote above... How can you connect these 2 panels to this PowMR MPPT 60A solar controller? With serial connection or parallel connection? Because I looked at the device information, it is 12Volt. It says that the highest 80Volt input can be connected for the battery (VOC). (by the way, my battery is 12.8v 200AhLiFePO4) So, should I use these values only with parallel connection? I was confused and wanted to get precise information... Thanks.
Thank you for reviewing. I have 85.6 Voc, 72.0 Vmpp panels and 51.2V (48V) 5.12kWh lithium batteries. I'm assuming these panels need to be done in series for the MSB controllers? Would this 60A MSB charger work well for me, or should I look at different brands? I ask as I have non-standard panel voltages and looking for two decent, but reasonably priced chargers as I'd like to put two 4-435W panels systems together (facing 2 different directions) with two 2000W limiting inverters feed by the batteries mentioned above. I'm assuming two of these chargers could be wired in parallel feeding the same battery system (even though one array would face south, the other west), correct?
>>85.6 Voc, 72.0 Vmpp panels and 51.2V (48V) 5.12kWh lithium batteries. I'm assuming these panels need to be done in series for the MSB controllers? Max Voltage for MSB is 160V, so you have to wire panels in parallel, otherwise Voc will exceed 160V. >>Would this 60A MSB charger work well for me, or should I look at different brands? Personally I'd look at something more expensive/reliable >>I'm assuming two of these chargers could be wired in parallel feeding the same battery system (even though one array would face south, the other west), correct? Yes, 2 charges could be connected to the same battery.
@@SolarEngineering Sorry, brain was thinking "parallel", but I typed "series"! Any price conscious recommendations for charger given the above system? Thanks again!
@@SolarEngineering I know they are a good brand. Using 2 sets of panels and needing two chargers, I'll have to keep looking into different options which are reliable and won't extend the ROI out too far. ROI has been my biggest problem so far... cheap and you're replacing parts, expensive and it doesn't make sense. Hoping to find a balance. If I could find an efficient off-grid charger inverter for charging and running split phase, I'd consider that as it would be nice to have for extended outages (which we get every few years).
Powmr markanın sahtesini satın aldım.2 adet.cihaz otomatik absorption mod geçiyor ama akü voltajı azaldığı zaman absorption mod çıkıp mppt mod dönmüyor
Поже Make Sky Blue зделан получше, у него есть отверстия в плате для винтов прижима транзисторов. По идее можо устаовить радиатор на заднюю панель. В PowMr транзисторы просто прижаты платой.
@@Angelica._.officalll yeah, there few types of units: - inverter-charger - invert-charger-mppt 1st has AC in/out and battery connection 2nd same and additionally allows connecting solar panels to it Search for "inverter charger" and you'll see many results (as example: Victron Energy PMP123021102). For 2nd one check products from MPP solar. Feel free to ask questions.
I do see some results. Do you know of any units without the built-in inverter? That is, a 12/24/48 MPPT for charging only, no inverter. Just like in the video - but supports house power charging as well. Those other ones you referred me to, it's only 1 selection for voltage. It would be nice to have a unit that picks up 12/24/48 but also supports charging from the home. I cannot find any. No built-in inverter needed. ty
The box said 118, but 119 is 60A. Board looked like it had 60Amp on it, and a 6 on the front plastic, so maybe just wrong box. Amazon also gets these mixed up
Hey, ich habe PowMr MPPT 60A Solar Laderegler und 2 Batterien Solarbatterie 100Ah 12V EXAKT DCS. Welche werte soll ich eingeben für Parameters: d01 d02 und d03. Daten von Solarbatterie: Erhaltungsladung:13.6V - 13.8V Typ:Blei-SäureMaximale Ladeschlussspannung:14,6-14,8v? Viele Grüße aus Mannheim
could i use this makeSkyblue charger to charge a 16S li-ion samsung SDI battery pack to max 58V ? i dont want to split the batteryback and my inverter can handle max input of 66V. So to be on the save side i want to charge the pack to a max of 58V, wich is the voltage a 14S li-ion pack would have at max charge.
@@SolarEngineeringhello sir sorry for late reply .I see this reply for now and this time I want to know solar pv 180w 18v/19v it was 8.and it was 4-series and 4-prallel so can I use that system with PowMr mppt 60A sir ?
@@oknayfamily7706 minimum PV voltage input for 24V system is 37V. If you have 18V panel, then you are on edge, but it still might work. You could reconfigure panels to 2p4S.
The vmp needs to be between 1.5 & 2 x battery voltage, for best effiency, about 28v for 12v, and 56v for 24v but can be higher, or slightly lower, I'm running 72vmp on a 24v system, because of distance to the panels,
PowMR викинь нахєр зразу, толку з нього 0, глючний кусок гавна. Він працює на старій прошивці 113, яку китайці змогли вкрасти у мейкскайблу, тому воно глючить, і при нагрузці тупо скидає вольтаж до рівня заряду акумуляторів і назад не повертається, поки не перезагрузиш. Це просирає більшу половину потужності панелей. В мейкскайблу давно це пофіксили, там зараз 118 прошивка, можна побачити при включенні, а зелене лайно при включенні якусь хєрню показує. Я давно перейшов на мейк і аж вздихнув з полегшенням, зовсім інша робота, жодних проблем!
It's important to apply the conversion factor to specifications for Chinese equipment: 1 Chinese Ampere = 250~600 mA in all other countries.
haha nice! preparing for test soon, will see what is the amp ratio for this chargers.
only if buying solar panels.. or wind generator... or some inverters... shit... I guess you're right LOL.. Proof they have accepted capitalism in the worst way.
The PowerMr 60Amp might display up to 60Amp output, but its badly calibrated, and / or it’s really only a 40Amp board, which produces maximum 44Amps
If you don't want to apply the conversion, just measure with Chinese meter, then will be Ok!
😲... Is this why my chinese battery charger of 20amps never exceeds maybe 12amps????
MakeSkyBlue is the original, it has to be since it was around at aliexpress almost a year before the PowMr showed up. PowMr is just a copycat that ripp of others without doing any original work. He cant copy the makeskyblue algorithm because he does not understand it. That is why the algorithm of the PowMr is bad and it loses tracking a lot, ending up doing PWM charging very often. Chinese copying chinese cant be good.
MakeSkyblue is definitely the better choice of them two.
Its a good controller but Epever Tracer is still the best bang for the buck IMO.
Ou ou
I comparing for msb and powmr. Is powmr have more problem than msb?
Is msb also easy to get hot same like powmr?
My epever tracer 3210 connect to 800WP panel and powMr 60A connect to 880WP, at the end of the day.. every single day epever always win with at least 20% more energy than powMr. So I'd replace it with another 3210.
What is rippof ?
I put a Epever Tracer 40A and a PowMR 60A side by side and the MPPT tracking on the PowMr is noticeably poorer compared to the Tracer
That's unfortunate, since epever tracking isn't particularly good.
But I heard epever doesn't have good isolation power for MCU chipset,unlike powmr or MSB
It means vurnerable when there is surge power or spoke that will permenantly damaged Mppt,maybe these one are calculated by manufacturer
Informative video! Subscribed! I got the latest product from MSB, which is v125. it is said that V125 can protect Li battery. And I chose the one with CloudBox. I hope you can test this version too
This POWMR is a kock off of the "MakeSkyBlue" charger (30A-V118) $80.00; 12V/24V/36V/48V; which means PowMr does not receive the same v119 hardware or software updates.
Thanks for the teardown. Looking at the insides and the menus the MakeSkyBlue one seems a little better. Banggood only has the PowMr though, so that's what I'm going to get.
You can tell that the PowMr is the knockoff from looking at the board inside, the fit and finish, and the hardware/firmware version. When the units first boot up they flash the hardware version. The MSB is using the latest V118 board. The Wifi version is V119 and has an added wifi module but is otherwise the same hardware/firmware as the V118.
The PowMr is using a clone of the MSB hardware V113 board so it is older and running a far older firmware.
Agree
You can also proof that by looking at both websites.
At first i thought it was the same company just making the ´´the others stole it from us ´´ up to increase sales
Both websites state they are the original and the others stole their stuff but the MakeSkyBlue website has all moddels listet months before it apears on the PowerMR website since they need time to rip it off.
excellent conparison. Thanks.
The Acc is accumulated power produced on the make sky blue, I have been running one of these for some time.
I just bought a ProMr, doing my first test I find the read out useless my recommendation have a meter that will give you a more accurate measurement. I also have a Makeskyblue which I have been using for two yrs now that one when I first got the reading was off as well but on calculating and resetting it now gives the correct readout the only thing after two years I notice it starts to degrade in performance hence I got the ProMr. Yes I try resetting the ProMr too but that don't work. Oh one more thing the Makeskyblue tracks allot faster. I will also say if you are going to buy any of the two MPPT change controller to use on lithium batteries make sure to calibrate them first to get the right reading are it may end up over charging your batteries still I give the Makeskyblue a higher marks over the ProMr. One more observation, even though the ProMr have a higher readout as it relates to volts when it come on to amps it reads a bit lower on the ProMr. I have 800w of s.panels on both change controllers. Man I now need to get a PWM change controller to do a comparison of read out but I trust the Makeskyblue readout far, far more than that of the ProMr.
Thanks for the review. It would be nice to see if really can pull 60 amps. Some time in the near future i will be going off grid and i was considering start with cheap PWM and after a while buy the PCM60X from MPP Solar. But this may be a cheaper option if it can do what they claim. Cheers.
will do in near future.
Thanks for sharing this info and test
مقارنة رائعة شكرا لك..
Thank you for this video!
I have 5 x PowMr
Blue Sky seems well worth the extra £5
agree, I like it more as well.
PowerMr is only $83 here in Philippines, shipping from China 21 Cents
Makeskyblue is the clear winner, PCB layout better and has lower loss, silicone tubing on chokes to prevent enamel coating breaking down
Totally agreeeee
What is the song that's playing? Great video.
No many charger can support over 150V, this charger can support 2S 96cell panel configuration to charge for 48V battery system.
did you check their amps , I found my 60a only does 40a and max efficiency was 1.5x battery voltage for solar voc
not yet, planning soon.
The PowMr are about 88.5 to 89.5% efficient
Yes it has an inaccurate current and voltage measurements. To calibrate it you must replace a resistor inside and add shunt wire beside exciting shunt
thx fpr this u got sub
Купил в разное время 3 контроллера PowMr 60a, все они завышают показатели по току (10%), есть завышение по напряжению на 0.3 на одном, не всегда сохраняются настройки после выкл\вкл, и самое страшное - на одном странное поведение, в моментах резкой большой нагрузки инвертора, когда контроллер переходит из простоя в мппт режим - он вдруг перестаёт использовать настройки верхней границы напряжения и использует 30-31в (24в система). Другие два делают резкий скачек , но через несколько сек возвращаются, а этот нет. Использую их на свинце, как будут работать с литием интересно. Еще не понравилось что нет никакой статистики, как в самых дешевых шим контроллераз - суточной выработки по Ач, ВтЧ, нет отдельной кнопки вкл\выкл нагрузки, нет юсб разъема, разъема под снятия данных по rs232, нет калибровки напряжения\тока, неудобные клеммы для проводов, а именно сечение для 60а явно маленькое.
Как ваши контроллеры работают в системе? Оранжевый хорошо контролирует непревышение при скачках верхнее напряжение?
я их не использую в своей основной системе, планирую сделать тест на оба контроллера под нагрузкой, но все никак время не найду.
Aynı sorun bende de var. 7 numaralı mod -} 4 numaralı moda dönmüyor
приветы. такая жен проблема. скопировали железяку с косячной прошивкой. пока что нашёл решение, судя по ютюбу, это впаять на шунт дополнительную проволку. ищу ещё видео процесса пайки или доказательства, что это решит проблему.
Thanks
Hello.
Voltage at Maximum Power (Vmpp) = 34.5 V
Current at Maximum Power (Impp) = 9.59 A
Open Circuit Voltage (Voc) = 40.2 V
Short Circuit Current (Isc) = 10.1 A
I have 2 monocrystalline solar panels of 330W from Tomatech whose values I wrote above...
How can you connect these 2 panels to this PowMR MPPT 60A solar controller? With serial connection or parallel connection?
Because I looked at the device information, it is 12Volt. It says that the highest 80Volt input can be connected for the battery (VOC). (by the way, my battery is 12.8v 200AhLiFePO4)
So, should I use these values only with parallel connection?
I was confused and wanted to get precise information...
Thanks.
Thank you for reviewing. I have 85.6 Voc, 72.0 Vmpp panels and 51.2V (48V) 5.12kWh lithium batteries. I'm assuming these panels need to be done in series for the MSB controllers? Would this 60A MSB charger work well for me, or should I look at different brands? I ask as I have non-standard panel voltages and looking for two decent, but reasonably priced chargers as I'd like to put two 4-435W panels systems together (facing 2 different directions) with two 2000W limiting inverters feed by the batteries mentioned above. I'm assuming two of these chargers could be wired in parallel feeding the same battery system (even though one array would face south, the other west), correct?
>>85.6 Voc, 72.0 Vmpp panels and 51.2V (48V) 5.12kWh lithium batteries. I'm assuming these panels need to be done in series for the MSB controllers?
Max Voltage for MSB is 160V, so you have to wire panels in parallel, otherwise Voc will exceed 160V.
>>Would this 60A MSB charger work well for me, or should I look at different brands?
Personally I'd look at something more expensive/reliable
>>I'm assuming two of these chargers could be wired in parallel feeding the same battery system (even though one array would face south, the other west), correct?
Yes, 2 charges could be connected to the same battery.
@@SolarEngineering Sorry, brain was thinking "parallel", but I typed "series"!
Any price conscious recommendations for charger given the above system? Thanks again!
@@ssoffshore5111 hard to recommend... I went with Outback 80A.
@@SolarEngineering I know they are a good brand. Using 2 sets of panels and needing two chargers, I'll have to keep looking into different options which are reliable and won't extend the ROI out too far. ROI has been my biggest problem so far... cheap and you're replacing parts, expensive and it doesn't make sense. Hoping to find a balance. If I could find an efficient off-grid charger inverter for charging and running split phase, I'd consider that as it would be nice to have for extended outages (which we get every few years).
Powmr markanın sahtesini satın aldım.2 adet.cihaz otomatik absorption mod geçiyor ama akü voltajı azaldığı zaman absorption mod çıkıp mppt mod dönmüyor
вкл субтитры 1минута 11 секунда ,во дал жару)🤗
Szia! Magyarországból kérdezem, végül is melyikkel járnék jobban? Mi a véleményed?
Köszi a videót!
Szia!
Ha angolul kérdeznéd, jobban válaszolna... ha válaszol. 🙂
Véleményem: MakeSky-al jobban jár az emberfia.
@@ottopasztor4614 ha a Neten körülnézek (vagy csak az Amazonon) még körülbelül ötféle címkével meg lehet találni ugyanezt a kontrollert.
@@koborkutya7338 a külső hasonló, a belső és a firmware nem!
De melyik az eredeti@@koborkutya7338
Hi, did you make the video comparing them with solar panels and testing to compare the charge current?
Hi, not yet, waiting till panels will give full output, planning to do a video soon.
@@SolarEngineering Thanks, I'm looking forward to that one.
Поже Make Sky Blue зделан получше, у него есть отверстия в плате для винтов прижима транзисторов. По идее можо устаовить радиатор на заднюю панель. В PowMr транзисторы просто прижаты платой.
Do any of these charger use home power to charge the battery, or are we talking strictly DC input?
these two only DC to DC
@@SolarEngineering Do you know of a unit that lets you charge with both Solar and House power?
@@Angelica._.officalll yeah, there few types of units:
- inverter-charger
- invert-charger-mppt
1st has AC in/out and battery connection
2nd same and additionally allows connecting solar panels to it
Search for "inverter charger" and you'll see many results (as example: Victron Energy PMP123021102).
For 2nd one check products from MPP solar.
Feel free to ask questions.
@@SolarEngineering Thank you, I'll give it a try
I do see some results.
Do you know of any units without the built-in inverter? That is, a 12/24/48 MPPT for charging only, no inverter. Just like in the video - but supports house power charging as well.
Those other ones you referred me to, it's only 1 selection for voltage. It would be nice to have a unit that picks up 12/24/48 but also supports charging from the home. I cannot find any.
No built-in inverter needed.
ty
It is set in Russian, so no subtitles are provided.
Is MSB version V118? PowMr version V????
The box said 118, but 119 is 60A. Board looked like it had 60Amp on it, and a 6 on the front plastic, so maybe just wrong box. Amazon also gets these mixed up
Hey, ich habe PowMr MPPT 60A Solar Laderegler und 2 Batterien Solarbatterie 100Ah 12V EXAKT DCS. Welche werte soll ich eingeben für Parameters: d01 d02 und d03. Daten von Solarbatterie: Erhaltungsladung:13.6V - 13.8V Typ:Blei-SäureMaximale Ladeschlussspannung:14,6-14,8v? Viele Grüße aus Mannheim
Can someone help me please I got 2 panels 385W each panel I would like to use a pow mr 60A but I saw for a 12V sys is 600W max
PowMr 60A is really 40A, but may display 60A. Your setup is 64A max. Depends on the voltage of the panels, and if series or parallel
Anything that has the name PowMr. should tell you something. lots of copy right infringement here
could i use this makeSkyblue charger to charge a 16S li-ion samsung SDI battery pack to max 58V ? i dont want to split the batteryback and my inverter can handle max input of 66V. So to be on the save side i want to charge the pack to a max of 58V, wich is the voltage a 14S li-ion pack would have at max charge.
yes, MSB can charge battery upto 60V
I dont now is the imput voltage from pv calibratet
hi ..anyone know if I can use this charger to charge 36v ebike battery with 12v solar panel??
3phase vs 2phase but 2phase one large inductor
Phase quantity increase ripple decrease
Which would you recommend?
make sky blue looks more "original". I'll do load test soon with 60A, will see how they are perform.
@@SolarEngineering POWMR 60a Caps at around 44 Amps atleast mine and others to, and it get realy hot
So do they compare?
Makeskyblue 60A price please?
Hello ..
If I was MPPT solar controller 60A and 24V system
Which is the best series connection of solar panels.
I need to know what is the battery voltage and what is voltage for solar panels Voc
@@SolarEngineeringhello sir sorry for late reply .I see this reply for now and this time I want to know solar pv 180w 18v/19v it was 8.and it was 4-series and 4-prallel so can I use that system with PowMr mppt 60A sir ?
@@oknayfamily7706 minimum PV voltage input for 24V system is 37V. If you have 18V panel, then you are on edge, but it still might work.
You could reconfigure panels to 2p4S.
The vmp needs to be between 1.5 & 2 x battery voltage, for best effiency, about 28v for 12v, and 56v for 24v but can be higher, or slightly lower, I'm running 72vmp on a 24v system, because of distance to the panels,
Yes, technology sharing, thank you.
Смешной акцент :)
2в1: и видео посмотрели и посмеялись :)
Measurements ? compared effisciency ? this is not a test or a comparison, we know nothing more at the end.
waiting for the sun to do a performance test.
@@SolarEngineering I think you will have to do the performance test, the sun is lazy and isn't going to do it! Ha-ha, happy NewYear!
@@jamest.5001 )) Happy New Year!
судя по акценту, ты русский, чувак
PowMR викинь нахєр зразу, толку з нього 0, глючний кусок гавна. Він працює на старій прошивці 113, яку китайці змогли вкрасти у мейкскайблу, тому воно глючить, і при нагрузці тупо скидає вольтаж до рівня заряду акумуляторів і назад не повертається, поки не перезагрузиш. Це просирає більшу половину потужності панелей. В мейкскайблу давно це пофіксили, там зараз 118 прошивка, можна побачити при включенні, а зелене лайно при включенні якусь хєрню показує. Я давно перейшов на мейк і аж вздихнув з полегшенням, зовсім інша робота, жодних проблем!