PowMr VS MakeSkyBlue MPPT solar charge controllers. 60 Amps versions. Test with lithium battery.

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  • čas přidán 20. 08. 2024

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  • @kc4cvh
    @kc4cvh Před 3 lety +28

    It's important to apply the conversion factor to specifications for Chinese equipment: 1 Chinese Ampere = 250~600 mA in all other countries.

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety +3

      haha nice! preparing for test soon, will see what is the amp ratio for this chargers.

    • @ericcloudbolduc8840
      @ericcloudbolduc8840 Před 3 lety +3

      only if buying solar panels.. or wind generator... or some inverters... shit... I guess you're right LOL.. Proof they have accepted capitalism in the worst way.

    • @michaelbouckley4455
      @michaelbouckley4455 Před 3 lety +2

      The PowerMr 60Amp might display up to 60Amp output, but its badly calibrated, and / or it’s really only a 40Amp board, which produces maximum 44Amps

    • @Roman-be7yv
      @Roman-be7yv Před 2 lety +7

      If you don't want to apply the conversion, just measure with Chinese meter, then will be Ok!

    • @leviahamefula3994
      @leviahamefula3994 Před 2 lety +2

      😲... Is this why my chinese battery charger of 20amps never exceeds maybe 12amps????

  • @windsolarupnorth7084
    @windsolarupnorth7084 Před 3 lety +16

    MakeSkyBlue is the original, it has to be since it was around at aliexpress almost a year before the PowMr showed up. PowMr is just a copycat that ripp of others without doing any original work. He cant copy the makeskyblue algorithm because he does not understand it. That is why the algorithm of the PowMr is bad and it loses tracking a lot, ending up doing PWM charging very often. Chinese copying chinese cant be good.
    MakeSkyblue is definitely the better choice of them two.
    Its a good controller but Epever Tracer is still the best bang for the buck IMO.

    • @WendyLerisse
      @WendyLerisse Před 3 lety

      Ou ou

    • @MrDefour
      @MrDefour Před 3 lety

      I comparing for msb and powmr. Is powmr have more problem than msb?
      Is msb also easy to get hot same like powmr?

    • @menimbamatahari170
      @menimbamatahari170 Před 2 lety

      My epever tracer 3210 connect to 800WP panel and powMr 60A connect to 880WP, at the end of the day.. every single day epever always win with at least 20% more energy than powMr. So I'd replace it with another 3210.

    • @johnnyuppal7878
      @johnnyuppal7878 Před rokem

      What is rippof ?

  • @z1power
    @z1power Před 3 lety +15

    I put a Epever Tracer 40A and a PowMR 60A side by side and the MPPT tracking on the PowMr is noticeably poorer compared to the Tracer

    • @fratermus5502
      @fratermus5502 Před 2 lety +2

      That's unfortunate, since epever tracking isn't particularly good.

    • @arrafiingoprekz6003
      @arrafiingoprekz6003 Před 2 lety +1

      But I heard epever doesn't have good isolation power for MCU chipset,unlike powmr or MSB
      It means vurnerable when there is surge power or spoke that will permenantly damaged Mppt,maybe these one are calculated by manufacturer

  • @Sinii-m6h
    @Sinii-m6h Před 20 hodinami

    Informative video! Subscribed! I got the latest product from MSB, which is v125. it is said that V125 can protect Li battery. And I chose the one with CloudBox. I hope you can test this version too

  • @Lawiah0
    @Lawiah0 Před 3 lety +3

    This POWMR is a kock off of the "MakeSkyBlue" charger (30A-V118) $80.00; 12V/24V/36V/48V; which means PowMr does not receive the same v119 hardware or software updates.

  • @ThisRandomUsername
    @ThisRandomUsername Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for the teardown. Looking at the insides and the menus the MakeSkyBlue one seems a little better. Banggood only has the PowMr though, so that's what I'm going to get.

  • @kuhrd
    @kuhrd Před 3 lety +6

    You can tell that the PowMr is the knockoff from looking at the board inside, the fit and finish, and the hardware/firmware version. When the units first boot up they flash the hardware version. The MSB is using the latest V118 board. The Wifi version is V119 and has an added wifi module but is otherwise the same hardware/firmware as the V118.
    The PowMr is using a clone of the MSB hardware V113 board so it is older and running a far older firmware.

    • @MATT_ELEKTRON
      @MATT_ELEKTRON Před 3 lety

      Agree

    • @NinoJoel
      @NinoJoel Před 2 lety +2

      You can also proof that by looking at both websites.
      At first i thought it was the same company just making the ´´the others stole it from us ´´ up to increase sales
      Both websites state they are the original and the others stole their stuff but the MakeSkyBlue website has all moddels listet months before it apears on the PowerMR website since they need time to rip it off.

  • @MrVeryCranky
    @MrVeryCranky Před rokem

    excellent conparison. Thanks.
    The Acc is accumulated power produced on the make sky blue, I have been running one of these for some time.

  • @howardescoffery4950
    @howardescoffery4950 Před 3 lety +6

    I just bought a ProMr, doing my first test I find the read out useless my recommendation have a meter that will give you a more accurate measurement. I also have a Makeskyblue which I have been using for two yrs now that one when I first got the reading was off as well but on calculating and resetting it now gives the correct readout the only thing after two years I notice it starts to degrade in performance hence I got the ProMr. Yes I try resetting the ProMr too but that don't work. Oh one more thing the Makeskyblue tracks allot faster. I will also say if you are going to buy any of the two MPPT change controller to use on lithium batteries make sure to calibrate them first to get the right reading are it may end up over charging your batteries still I give the Makeskyblue a higher marks over the ProMr. One more observation, even though the ProMr have a higher readout as it relates to volts when it come on to amps it reads a bit lower on the ProMr. I have 800w of s.panels on both change controllers. Man I now need to get a PWM change controller to do a comparison of read out but I trust the Makeskyblue readout far, far more than that of the ProMr.

  • @asc556
    @asc556 Před 3 lety +3

    Thanks for the review. It would be nice to see if really can pull 60 amps. Some time in the near future i will be going off grid and i was considering start with cheap PWM and after a while buy the PCM60X from MPP Solar. But this may be a cheaper option if it can do what they claim. Cheers.

  • @errolcain4071
    @errolcain4071 Před 3 lety +1

    Thanks for sharing this info and test

  • @Eng_RAY
    @Eng_RAY Před 18 dny

    مقارنة رائعة شكرا لك..

  • @RND-USA
    @RND-USA Před 8 měsíci

    Thank you for this video!

  • @simonmasters3295
    @simonmasters3295 Před 3 lety +6

    I have 5 x PowMr
    Blue Sky seems well worth the extra £5

  • @retrofitter
    @retrofitter Před 24 dny

    Makeskyblue is the clear winner, PCB layout better and has lower loss, silicone tubing on chokes to prevent enamel coating breaking down

  • @josephamaral3279
    @josephamaral3279 Před 3 měsíci

    What is the song that's playing? Great video.

  • @MKimID
    @MKimID Před rokem

    No many charger can support over 150V, this charger can support 2S 96cell panel configuration to charge for 48V battery system.

  • @christopherstaples4222
    @christopherstaples4222 Před 3 lety +2

    did you check their amps , I found my 60a only does 40a and max efficiency was 1.5x battery voltage for solar voc

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety

      not yet, planning soon.

    • @michaelbouckley4455
      @michaelbouckley4455 Před 3 lety +1

      The PowMr are about 88.5 to 89.5% efficient

    • @menimbamatahari170
      @menimbamatahari170 Před 2 lety

      Yes it has an inaccurate current and voltage measurements. To calibrate it you must replace a resistor inside and add shunt wire beside exciting shunt

  • @Bergwacht
    @Bergwacht Před 3 lety +1

    thx fpr this u got sub

  • @user-nh9up5rm1s
    @user-nh9up5rm1s Před 3 lety +2

    Купил в разное время 3 контроллера PowMr 60a, все они завышают показатели по току (10%), есть завышение по напряжению на 0.3 на одном, не всегда сохраняются настройки после выкл\вкл, и самое страшное - на одном странное поведение, в моментах резкой большой нагрузки инвертора, когда контроллер переходит из простоя в мппт режим - он вдруг перестаёт использовать настройки верхней границы напряжения и использует 30-31в (24в система). Другие два делают резкий скачек , но через несколько сек возвращаются, а этот нет. Использую их на свинце, как будут работать с литием интересно. Еще не понравилось что нет никакой статистики, как в самых дешевых шим контроллераз - суточной выработки по Ач, ВтЧ, нет отдельной кнопки вкл\выкл нагрузки, нет юсб разъема, разъема под снятия данных по rs232, нет калибровки напряжения\тока, неудобные клеммы для проводов, а именно сечение для 60а явно маленькое.
    Как ваши контроллеры работают в системе? Оранжевый хорошо контролирует непревышение при скачках верхнее напряжение?

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety

      я их не использую в своей основной системе, планирую сделать тест на оба контроллера под нагрузкой, но все никак время не найду.

    • @VideoKaset
      @VideoKaset Před rokem +1

      Aynı sorun bende de var. 7 numaralı mod -} 4 numaralı moda dönmüyor

    • @VselennayaMoyBog
      @VselennayaMoyBog Před měsícem

      приветы. такая жен проблема. скопировали железяку с косячной прошивкой. пока что нашёл решение, судя по ютюбу, это впаять на шунт дополнительную проволку. ищу ещё видео процесса пайки или доказательства, что это решит проблему.

  • @pmacgowan
    @pmacgowan Před 3 lety

    Thanks

  • @cimpotlik
    @cimpotlik Před měsícem

    Hello.
    Voltage at Maximum Power (Vmpp) = 34.5 V
    Current at Maximum Power (Impp) = 9.59 A
    Open Circuit Voltage (Voc) = 40.2 V
    Short Circuit Current (Isc) = 10.1 A
    I have 2 monocrystalline solar panels of 330W from Tomatech whose values ​​I wrote above...
    How can you connect these 2 panels to this PowMR MPPT 60A solar controller? With serial connection or parallel connection?
    Because I looked at the device information, it is 12Volt. It says that the highest 80Volt input can be connected for the battery (VOC). (by the way, my battery is 12.8v 200AhLiFePO4)
    So, should I use these values ​​only with parallel connection?
    I was confused and wanted to get precise information...
    Thanks.

  • @ssoffshore5111
    @ssoffshore5111 Před 2 lety

    Thank you for reviewing. I have 85.6 Voc, 72.0 Vmpp panels and 51.2V (48V) 5.12kWh lithium batteries. I'm assuming these panels need to be done in series for the MSB controllers? Would this 60A MSB charger work well for me, or should I look at different brands? I ask as I have non-standard panel voltages and looking for two decent, but reasonably priced chargers as I'd like to put two 4-435W panels systems together (facing 2 different directions) with two 2000W limiting inverters feed by the batteries mentioned above. I'm assuming two of these chargers could be wired in parallel feeding the same battery system (even though one array would face south, the other west), correct?

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 2 lety

      >>85.6 Voc, 72.0 Vmpp panels and 51.2V (48V) 5.12kWh lithium batteries. I'm assuming these panels need to be done in series for the MSB controllers?
      Max Voltage for MSB is 160V, so you have to wire panels in parallel, otherwise Voc will exceed 160V.
      >>Would this 60A MSB charger work well for me, or should I look at different brands?
      Personally I'd look at something more expensive/reliable
      >>I'm assuming two of these chargers could be wired in parallel feeding the same battery system (even though one array would face south, the other west), correct?
      Yes, 2 charges could be connected to the same battery.

    • @ssoffshore5111
      @ssoffshore5111 Před 2 lety

      @@SolarEngineering Sorry, brain was thinking "parallel", but I typed "series"!
      Any price conscious recommendations for charger given the above system? Thanks again!

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 2 lety +1

      @@ssoffshore5111 hard to recommend... I went with Outback 80A.

    • @ssoffshore5111
      @ssoffshore5111 Před 2 lety

      @@SolarEngineering I know they are a good brand. Using 2 sets of panels and needing two chargers, I'll have to keep looking into different options which are reliable and won't extend the ROI out too far. ROI has been my biggest problem so far... cheap and you're replacing parts, expensive and it doesn't make sense. Hoping to find a balance. If I could find an efficient off-grid charger inverter for charging and running split phase, I'd consider that as it would be nice to have for extended outages (which we get every few years).

  • @VideoKaset
    @VideoKaset Před rokem

    Powmr markanın sahtesini satın aldım.2 adet.cihaz otomatik absorption mod geçiyor ama akü voltajı azaldığı zaman absorption mod çıkıp mppt mod dönmüyor

  • @user-vl1kv4kb7s
    @user-vl1kv4kb7s Před 2 lety

    вкл субтитры 1минута 11 секунда ,во дал жару)🤗

  • @zoltantalmacsi3361
    @zoltantalmacsi3361 Před rokem

    Szia! Magyarországból kérdezem, végül is melyikkel járnék jobban? Mi a véleményed?
    Köszi a videót!

    • @ottopasztor4614
      @ottopasztor4614 Před rokem

      Szia!
      Ha angolul kérdeznéd, jobban válaszolna... ha válaszol. 🙂
      Véleményem: MakeSky-al jobban jár az emberfia.

    • @koborkutya7338
      @koborkutya7338 Před rokem

      @@ottopasztor4614 ha a Neten körülnézek (vagy csak az Amazonon) még körülbelül ötféle címkével meg lehet találni ugyanezt a kontrollert.

    • @ottopasztor4614
      @ottopasztor4614 Před rokem

      @@koborkutya7338 a külső hasonló, a belső és a firmware nem!

    • @csababeszedics6556
      @csababeszedics6556 Před 7 měsíci

      De melyik az eredeti@@koborkutya7338

  • @andinbriwel1092
    @andinbriwel1092 Před 3 lety

    Hi, did you make the video comparing them with solar panels and testing to compare the charge current?

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety +2

      Hi, not yet, waiting till panels will give full output, planning to do a video soon.

    • @andinbriwel1092
      @andinbriwel1092 Před 3 lety

      @@SolarEngineering Thanks, I'm looking forward to that one.

  • @petrovich5188
    @petrovich5188 Před rokem

    Поже Make Sky Blue зделан получше, у него есть отверстия в плате для винтов прижима транзисторов. По идее можо устаовить радиатор на заднюю панель. В PowMr транзисторы просто прижаты платой.

  • @Angelica._.officalll
    @Angelica._.officalll Před 3 lety +1

    Do any of these charger use home power to charge the battery, or are we talking strictly DC input?

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety

      these two only DC to DC

    • @Angelica._.officalll
      @Angelica._.officalll Před 3 lety

      @@SolarEngineering Do you know of a unit that lets you charge with both Solar and House power?

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety +1

      ​@@Angelica._.officalll yeah, there few types of units:
      - inverter-charger
      - invert-charger-mppt
      1st has AC in/out and battery connection
      2nd same and additionally allows connecting solar panels to it
      Search for "inverter charger" and you'll see many results (as example: Victron Energy PMP123021102).
      For 2nd one check products from MPP solar.
      Feel free to ask questions.

    • @Angelica._.officalll
      @Angelica._.officalll Před 3 lety

      @@SolarEngineering Thank you, I'll give it a try

    • @Angelica._.officalll
      @Angelica._.officalll Před 3 lety

      I do see some results.
      Do you know of any units without the built-in inverter? That is, a 12/24/48 MPPT for charging only, no inverter. Just like in the video - but supports house power charging as well.
      Those other ones you referred me to, it's only 1 selection for voltage. It would be nice to have a unit that picks up 12/24/48 but also supports charging from the home. I cannot find any.
      No built-in inverter needed.
      ty

  • @kiyotakakaneko3602
    @kiyotakakaneko3602 Před 3 lety +1

    It is set in Russian, so no subtitles are provided.

  • @budmartin3344
    @budmartin3344 Před 3 lety +2

    Is MSB version V118? PowMr version V????

    • @michaelbouckley4455
      @michaelbouckley4455 Před 3 lety

      The box said 118, but 119 is 60A. Board looked like it had 60Amp on it, and a 6 on the front plastic, so maybe just wrong box. Amazon also gets these mixed up

  • @mohamedelkhamlichiregragui5917

    Hey, ich habe PowMr MPPT 60A Solar Laderegler und 2 Batterien Solarbatterie 100Ah 12V EXAKT DCS. Welche werte soll ich eingeben für Parameters: d01 d02 und d03. Daten von Solarbatterie: Erhaltungsladung:13.6V - 13.8V Typ:Blei-SäureMaximale Ladeschlussspannung:14,6-14,8v? Viele Grüße aus Mannheim

  • @BLACKOUT2727
    @BLACKOUT2727 Před 3 lety +1

    Can someone help me please I got 2 panels 385W each panel I would like to use a pow mr 60A but I saw for a 12V sys is 600W max

    • @michaelbouckley4455
      @michaelbouckley4455 Před 3 lety

      PowMr 60A is really 40A, but may display 60A. Your setup is 64A max. Depends on the voltage of the panels, and if series or parallel

  • @tacticalpickle7
    @tacticalpickle7 Před 3 lety +1

    Anything that has the name PowMr. should tell you something. lots of copy right infringement here

  • @sanderveenman599
    @sanderveenman599 Před rokem

    could i use this makeSkyblue charger to charge a 16S li-ion samsung SDI battery pack to max 58V ? i dont want to split the batteryback and my inverter can handle max input of 66V. So to be on the save side i want to charge the pack to a max of 58V, wich is the voltage a 14S li-ion pack would have at max charge.

  • @hzaahzaa5784
    @hzaahzaa5784 Před 2 lety

    I dont now is the imput voltage from pv calibratet

  • @kairulazwan112
    @kairulazwan112 Před rokem

    hi ..anyone know if I can use this charger to charge 36v ebike battery with 12v solar panel??

  • @sunuk1915
    @sunuk1915 Před 3 lety +2

    3phase vs 2phase but 2phase one large inductor
    Phase quantity increase ripple decrease

  • @kiyotakakaneko3602
    @kiyotakakaneko3602 Před 3 lety +1

    Which would you recommend?

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety +2

      make sky blue looks more "original". I'll do load test soon with 60A, will see how they are perform.

    • @thescandalchannel
      @thescandalchannel Před 3 lety +1

      @@SolarEngineering POWMR 60a Caps at around 44 Amps atleast mine and others to, and it get realy hot

  • @randylenart9674
    @randylenart9674 Před 2 lety

    So do they compare?

  • @wasanthadharmasena840
    @wasanthadharmasena840 Před 2 lety

    Makeskyblue 60A price please?

  • @oknayfamily7706
    @oknayfamily7706 Před 3 lety

    Hello ..
    If I was MPPT solar controller 60A and 24V system
    Which is the best series connection of solar panels.

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety

      I need to know what is the battery voltage and what is voltage for solar panels Voc

    • @oknayfamily7706
      @oknayfamily7706 Před 3 lety

      @@SolarEngineeringhello sir sorry for late reply .I see this reply for now and this time I want to know solar pv 180w 18v/19v it was 8.and it was 4-series and 4-prallel so can I use that system with PowMr mppt 60A sir ?

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety +2

      @@oknayfamily7706 minimum PV voltage input for 24V system is 37V. If you have 18V panel, then you are on edge, but it still might work.
      You could reconfigure panels to 2p4S.

    • @jamest.5001
      @jamest.5001 Před 3 lety +2

      The vmp needs to be between 1.5 & 2 x battery voltage, for best effiency, about 28v for 12v, and 56v for 24v but can be higher, or slightly lower, I'm running 72vmp on a 24v system, because of distance to the panels,

    • @oknayfamily7706
      @oknayfamily7706 Před 3 lety +1

      Yes, technology sharing, thank you.

  • @specialistvlad
    @specialistvlad Před 3 lety +2

    Смешной акцент :)

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety

      2в1: и видео посмотрели и посмеялись :)

  • @ericseidel4940
    @ericseidel4940 Před 3 lety

    Measurements ? compared effisciency ? this is not a test or a comparison, we know nothing more at the end.

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety +1

      waiting for the sun to do a performance test.

    • @jamest.5001
      @jamest.5001 Před 3 lety +2

      @@SolarEngineering I think you will have to do the performance test, the sun is lazy and isn't going to do it! Ha-ha, happy NewYear!

    • @SolarEngineering
      @SolarEngineering  Před 3 lety +1

      @@jamest.5001 )) Happy New Year!

  • @raZZkataeV
    @raZZkataeV Před 2 lety

    судя по акценту, ты русский, чувак

  • @nazarbender6150
    @nazarbender6150 Před rokem

    PowMR викинь нахєр зразу, толку з нього 0, глючний кусок гавна. Він працює на старій прошивці 113, яку китайці змогли вкрасти у мейкскайблу, тому воно глючить, і при нагрузці тупо скидає вольтаж до рівня заряду акумуляторів і назад не повертається, поки не перезагрузиш. Це просирає більшу половину потужності панелей. В мейкскайблу давно це пофіксили, там зараз 118 прошивка, можна побачити при включенні, а зелене лайно при включенні якусь хєрню показує. Я давно перейшов на мейк і аж вздихнув з полегшенням, зовсім інша робота, жодних проблем!