Mythic Champion Guesses Power Level of Yugioh Cards!
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- Andrea Mengucci is a prolific Magic: The Gathering player, with several titles under his belt and travels the world competing in various organised competitions.
Today he looks at Yugioh cards and tries to guess which cards are Staple or Stinkers!
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Still don't get why Konami didn't call "Dark Honest" Dishonest, I mean it was staring them right in the face 🤣.
That would have been sooooo good!
- Adam
Dark Honest. Dishonest
Dark ruler Ha Des Hades
@@joulesabagel9417 I give Ha Des a bit of a pass since it's a pun. Same with how Shi En is a good name for the pun and the riff on the previous cards.
@@Amphidsf shi en is literally hie name in ocg
A kanji wordplay of purple flame and death flame.
It’s because there’s a series of monsters known as Dark Counterparts that all have Dark in their name.
Yu-Gi-Oh player rating Magic cards: Can you solve this riddle?
Magic player rating Yu-Gi-Oh: Can you find the error in Einstein's doctoral thesis?
You forgot to mention with forbidden droplet, you can use already activated effects as the payment for it. So if a spell is ahead of it in the chain, you can use it as the cost for forbidden droplet and it will allow both cards to activate. It's really interesting how that works!
you can also use it to dodge targeting effects as well, such as if they imperm your normal summon or something you can use it to pitch of your normal summon as cost so it resolves while negating a boss monster.
I think he purposely tried to avoid mentioning that cause it'd require another lengthy explanation.
@@MrMarnel yeah I can see that.
@@MrMarnel I can appreciate that. Yugioh card text is long enough as it is and what I said isn’t even on the card, it’s just something you need to know as the rules of the game!
@@bornfromfire9379 Love dodging target effects!
As a Magic player who only came back to Yugioh with Master Duel, let me just say that the fundamental road block that magic players will always have in this kind of setting is understanding the speed of the game. I think towards the end he was getting closer to understanding by comparing it to a format like Vintage, but its still inherently difficult for someone coming from a different game to realize that a game of Yugioh is often decided before the second player even has a turn, whether they choose to play it out or not.
A game with no resource management is hard for magic players to think around as we are conditioned to such things. It's why yugioh players are bad spikes for a while as they dont understand proper cost management and tempo of a game
Losing before you get to play? That sure sounds like a fun game... NOT
@@SadAngelCryingsounds like skill issue
@@sooba9627 It literally sounds like the exact opposite of a skill issue.
@@Cybertech134 well you'd be wrong
"which means you have as much Yu-Gi-Oh! skill as most players" got our asses
You can absolutely tribute summon a monster from hand using a monster stolen with Crackdown
Yeah I was wondering why you couldn't if the card didn't say you couldn't
Mengu's Legacy analogy is how I like to explain modern Yu-Gi-Oh to Magic players as well, or cEDH if they're more of that crowd. Low turn count but high game action count matches with a lot of interaction and anti-combo disruption or heavy stax. In fact it might be interesting to have Adam try out Legacy in a video, I think he'll feel right at home.
Love this would love to see Adam try legacy
Push my notifications baby.
You forget to explain the main reason Dropplet is so good, the card doesn't target.
I think the reason for that is that Adam oesn't know MTG very well and therefor didn't know that targeting in mtg works exactly the same as in YGO: If the card doesn't specifically have "target" in its text then it doesn't target. If he knew that he would have probably explained it because it would have taken like 5 seconds
The other funny thing about Dark Honest vs. Honest is that lowering your opponent's monster's attack is straight-up worse than increasing your own. Honest can, at the very least, out a Towers boss like The Arrival Cyberse but Dark Honest just gets clowned on by effect protection. So not only is it hilariously outdated, it's worse than the thing from GX it's referencing...
Honest also allows you to clear the whole board when used with multi attacking monsters and go for otk (like ashura priest in the past). Dark Honest is bad on so many levels.
@@kindlingking I still remember the old days of ygo where you'd go Battle, attack your guy and the opponent goes "Dmg step?" and your heart stops
@@skuamato7886 Damage step PTSD for Limiter Removal and Kalut as well from back in the day 💀
Forbidden Droplet just feels so good to resolve. Chain 1+ spell traps and send them all with Droplet still getting all their effects and the Droplet negates.
I still need to finish the video, but the way Impermanence is being explained is really good.
Most of these videos just don't give enough of an idea on how cards function to allow for proper judgement.
Seeing such a thorough explanation is huge. Nice!
Y'know, people might think that the content here is showing magic players how wild of a game yugioh is
but in reality, the content is our yugioh hosts slowly figuring out how to explain yugioh in magic terms
For the next episode you should run the Yubel trio. Not as three separate entries, "is this staple or stinker? Is this staple or stinker? Is *this* staple or stinker?", but as a trio, "are these three cards together a staple or stinker?", see if a player who's used to the mythical Turn Four gets tricked by the idea of a self-upgrading monster. Gunkan Suship Shari might be a cool joke. And also definitely Nirvana High Paladin. You should have Nirvana High Paladin in every episode. Endymion might have more words but Nirvana High Paladin has the phrase "If this card is Synchro Summoned using a Pendulum Summoned Pendulum Monster Tuner" and glhf trying to understand that noise.
"Set 2, pass" may be basic but it's still infinitely better than "I've comboed for 15 minutes, scoop for game 2?".
YGO designers really need to dial things back and strive for a healthy medium.
Yugioh card effects aren't complicated, it's just that Yugioh has very few keywords so the effect is explained in full each time.
And not numbering the effects like the Japanese cards do also doesn't help in making it readable.
@@Chestyfriend i still don't get why Konami in TCG-land doesn't do this
@@Chestyfriend Hold up, they do that in Japan? So Konami USA actively *chooses* to make the templating worse? That's annoying.
I am primarily a magic player and I can agree. A challenge that Magic presents is that you have to learn all of these keywords and what they mean, and every edition has new stuff to learn, so yeah, lots of learning going on, it is difficult, *but!* when you do know these keywords and you play the game often enough to remember them, it's super easy to understand what a card does, because it pulls from knowledge that you already have, at most they maybe introduce some different condition to it to create some kind of plot twist to that effect, but it's easy to grasp. This is helped by the fact that many of the new keywords and abilities play around with those familiar ideas that you already learned.
So it's two different approaches to the problem, with Magic you have to learn all of these things, but once you do, it's the same across the entire game and you can tell what a card does just from reading a couple keywords in it, with Yugioh they explain it to you every time, so it is a bit more beginner friendly, but it's always wordy and sometimes it's inconsistent.
@@NiiRubra At the same time, though, everything being this massive wall of text is itself a turn off to beginners.
Always a fun series! I think battle tricks have oddly come around to being a little underrated because people expect them so little, but we'd need some that are just a little more versatile to really be worth playing
Aleister the Invoker is *technically* a battle trick.
- Adam
Storming MIrror force is probably the only one that reliably does anything in the current meta.
@@weckar
Nooone has played any mirror force cards competitively for the last 5+ years
What? You can totally use a monster taken by Crackdown for a Tribute Summon.
Man this kinda series is always so fun to watch. I don't play yugioh, but it's really fun guessing whether somthing is good or not. I love playing along.
Great format and excellent episode. Appreciate the in-depth explanation, as I'm also a Magic player and it's nice to get these insights into the meta of another tcg
I love this stuff. As a (self-proclaimed) proficient magic player, I've forgotten more about yu-gi-oh than I know and that wasn't much to begin with.
I just love seeing you guys discuss the effects and see them understand stuff in real time is so cool. Like the whole infinite impermanence conversation was cool
Whoo new ep! Great work as always! Please keep em coming!
I'm still annoyed they called it 'Dark Honest' instead of 'Dishonest'.
Fun fact: chain disappearance has been a staple in duel links(an alternative online ygo format) depending on the meta,really fun card
Banish all 3 aleister feelsgoodman
A new Staple or Stinker veedeo!
Infinite Impermanence is such a great name. Always nice when a good name goes on a good card.
it sucks so bad when the opposite happens, particularly with artwork. I haaaate that uni-zombie is practically a must have in a zombie deck when a big part of the appeal of zombies is the gritty aesthetic, and there can only be one is annoying to look at too.
@@codyhanson1344 "There Can Be Only One" sounds like it has artwork from the movie Highlander.
But no, it's a bunch of monsters going through TSA.
Meanwhile, "The Most Distant, Deepest Depths" is such a cool name with amazing art.
Always great to see this series get more episodes
Love the format and the guest! Keep it up my dudes
I just love watching Andrea in anything. Great episode
I'd love to see a series where you bring players of different games in and give them decks or a card pool to duel each other with. Perhaps with each one having a coach who knows what they're doing.
love these! awesome seeing very talented players in other card games apply their knowledge to other tcgs
you guys should do a "reading the card doesn't explain the card" video, where you explain the stories behind some cards with impromptu rulings that became rules later on
Fun fact: the script on Adam’s shirt is written incorrectly. It’s intended to say “game over”, but when using vertical script, extension characters are written vertically. So what it actually says is “Ge1mu O1ba1”.
GEICHI
MU
OICHI
BAICHI
i miss the old days. my longest duel lasted nearly an hour, i made my opponent deck out. we both had tank monster to block each other. both of our fields were filled. it came down who would deck out first.
As someone who used to play both magic and Yu-Gi-Oh, this is a great series
I've subscribed! I really want to see more like this !!!! There's not enough atm 😂
This is my favorite series and in fact this series was the way I heard about you guys.
Andrea did really good not really knowing about how used the graveyard is and that combat doesn't reallly matter he gave really good reasoning nice vid would love to see Adam staple or stinker with legacy cards with andrea
I think something that both games have in common at this point is that a card being in the graveyard is not really a problem at all, it is a minor inconvenience at most, there are so many things both in Magic and Yugioh that interact with the graveyard.
So it's the type of thing that translates well both ways, every guest who has been invited for these videos understands that sending something to the graveyard is even a desirable outcome in most cases.
Oh man, I look forward to hear Mengu evaluation :D Preemptive like!
Best series on the channel. Love Staple or Stinker!
This series is really fun for me because I feel like I have slightly more knowledge of Yu Gi Oh than the magic players, but definitely less TCG knowledge overall. The end result is that I know certain things that are beneficial or "trap" benefits, but don't have very robust knowledge of efficient play in any system or recognition of what patterns are broken.
Plus, most of all, I know the mechanics of the game without actually knowing these cards and if they're good or not myself.
This is a blast and I love watching the rationale and reasoning and seeing if my limited knowledge of mechanics is more or less beneficial than general TCG knowledge.
playing vivaldi in the background during this video is based haha
I think Slifer the Sky Dragon would be a great pick for a staple or stinker. On paper Slifer looks like a very oppressive boss monster, but the devil is in the details for why it's a bad one.
And then for contrast Zeus is a great contrast for a staple boss monster.
I wanna see this taken to the next level. Archetype decks! I wanna see if they can figure out the staples within an archetype, or see if they can piece together combos
I'll be honest, I just want to see the reaction of a magic player when you flip over Endymion the mighty master of magic.
You could even put the original Endymion earlier so they know it's a retrain of a card and have to guess if it was pushed enough to be competitive.
These are my favourite videos that you guys make
Nice I love these types of videos.
Not sure if it would be feasible but a cool staple or stinker adjacent idea might be two choose two archtypes and explain what they do/their end board and which was competitive or not. As well as maybe show one legacy supporr and if the theme or that card became competitive or not? Orcusts and Girsu vs subterrors and guru for example.
Lmao at 3:30 when he asked "what are the green cards called?" would have been hilarious if that were a cheeky insult since in yugioh we had to change the term "magic card" to "spell card" because of the MTG lawsuit
So as someone with basically no knowledge of Yu-Gi-Oh I have a question about the interaction of "steal" effects with the chain-system:
If I understand correctly I could activate the card "Crackdown" from this video in response to an opponent's monster effect triggering/activating (if the monster is on the field) and from my understanding that would create a chain, where I would get control of the monster, before the monster effect resolves. Who would then control the effect of the monster? If the effect were to allow you to search your deck, would I as the current owner get to do that, or my opponent as the original owner/owner when the effect became part of the chain?
It was great having Mengu, an extremely skilled Magic player but who has really no knowledge of Yu-Gi-Oh!, doing this! I hope you can do a few more of these with him before he starts having too much knowledge of the game.
It’s always super interesting to see how Magic pros interpret Yu-Gi-Oh! cards because the resource management is so different.
I was surprised to see him value the dark honest the way he did. -X/-0 effects usually only appear on blue cards that are rarely even good in limited for the most part, and that is most comparable effect i think.
@@zaifir8119 It is basicly 0 mana Neck snap with upside that would be amazing limited card in magic.
nice collab. yugioh power levels can sometimes be weird if the combos and chains aren't well known enough.
I really enjoyed this one. I like how inquisitive this player was :D
Love watching these because I have as little idea about yu-gi-oh as mengu so I get to share the deep confusion
These videos are oddly addicting and I've never played Yugioh. But I played magic so it's fun to guess alongside the magic player.
People forget to mention how hilarious it is to have someone inperm you on their turn then use a spell where the inperm earlier in their turn. Had someone do this within a minute of activating inperm in MD today and laughed for the rest of the duel
You didn't mention for Droplet that quite a few cards have effects in the GY, so discarding for cost sometimes create card advantage.
I mean Crackdown just currently isn't playable, like crackdown was a staple for a while, and in a slower format it's really good
What’s funny about the stinker or staple is that they are all both stinker or staple cards just depends on what deck you are using/playing against they all have there uses but the one thing that’s true for most of these cards are they have come in clutch more often than not 😂😂
Do you think Yu-Gi-Oh needs a new PSCT change, that follows other card games like MTG, where they use specific terms to specify an action, like trample,
Like trample. (In this case, Yu-Gi-Oh has Piercing Battle Damaged so let's just say "This card has *Piercing*" instead of that very long explanation of "if this card attacks a Defense Positioned...." Too long...)
You should do an episode of this where all 5 are trick questions.
Make all 5 cards be things that saw a ton of play in exactly 1 format. Like how mushroom man 2 is seeing play in the tearlament mirror right now.
*Kashtira mirror. And I think stuff like that is unfair as this is not even a "trick card" it's just a very very specific card that happens to be good in exactly this one case. Stuff like crackdown is a way better bait imo. Or old firewall dragon. That card, alongside a few others, has caused me to always be VERY careful when an effect is not once per turn
mushroom man 2 is a shit card but you can give it to your opponent and thats why its getting played because in this specific deck it is even more worse to have it on the board.
What yugioh formats there are besides OCG and TCG?
@@colgatelampinen2501 None, really, but we call pretty much every banlist a "new format". It's slightly confusing when you are used to the definition of format as MTG uses it. E.g a new banlist went into effect earlier this month, so in Yugioh terms we are now in "December 2022 Format". The formats are named either by the time the banlist drops (dec 22 in this case) or by the deck(s) that is/are most memorable in said format. So e.g. the current format could be called Ishizu Tear format as that is the current dominant deck.
@@skuamato7886 Thanks, that helps understanding ygo players. What is yugioh term corresponding mtg's format?
Sky Striker Mobilize Engage and Nadir Servant are my picks
Nadir Servant isn't a fair one because without the context of "you have stuff in your extra deck that wants to go to the graveyard" the card seems very average.
It would have benefitted his understanding of Forbidden Droplets if you explained how you could destroy previously activated cards in a chain to use as fodder for effect negation, but something tells me this guy could figure that out on his own.
Woooooooo absolutely love this series
It's crazy you have so much sound padding but the audio has so much echo xD
I think all of the heavy hitter cyber dragon like cards would be good candidates. Alpha, the Master of Beasts, Dinowrestler Pankratops, Speedroid Terrortop, Kashtira Fenrir, or even extend it to Kurikara Divincarnate.
another very important advantage of forbidden droplet is that you can play a spell or use a monster effect then use those as cost for forbidden droplet, and since most cards don't need to stay on the field to resolve their effects you essencially activate droplet for free
suggestion of a card to show magic players: zaborg the mega monarch. sounds very powerful for an inexperienced player as you both get information and disruption, but it's not only clunky but will leave you with no board most of the time
Why you can't use controlled enemy monster for tribute summon? Is there some specific rule?
What a great veedeo
I feel like it would’ve been easier to just compare spell speed 2 to instants in magic lol
The fact that you started with infinite impermanence is wild
I think in the future it would be easier to use similar Magic terms to explain to a mostly magic or magic-only player how it would sort of work.
For example, Spell Speed 2 and 3 can be compared to Instant abilities and Flash.
It would speed up the recordings and you could perhaps even squish in a few more cards for them to check out!
Of course the chain and the stack work differently so you can't necesarrily say they are perfect examples but they get the point across much faster than referring to yugioh terms, which a magic player then has to convert in their head to what that means.
"You have about as much knowledge as most players" I'm sent
Lmao listening to you explain the chain just made me giggle
Have the magic players play goat.
Archfiend Eccentrick for staple or stinker.
Adam (and the other yugioh hosts) would be well served to learn mtg better to be able to clearly explain the difference between the stack and chain and things like yugiohs resource is the normal summon and what cards you have that say SS and how important on-field effects are.
Like the GOAT idea.
I like how he said most players don't even see a Battle phase lol
I’ve learned more about Yu-Gi-Oh in Staple/Stinker than I ever did watching the anime 😂
I love that Andrea, who's probably played some really intricate decks, can't even understand the first card. Yu-Gi-Oh is a special beast.
"I've just combo'd for 15 minutes straight; would you like to scoop and go to game 2"
The way he says "Infinite Impermanence" gives me super villain vibes. Like, "I'll take over the world" super villain
I'd love to see someone who hasn't played yugioh for a long time guess how good cards are for their archetype. For instance how good Traptrix Sera is for Traptrix or how good Tri-brigade Kitt is for Tri-brigade.
shoulda brought a game mat with you for this first one lmao
Chain Dissaperance was actually in the Bannlist once, as Semi Limited, so it was indeed very good. But no longer.
great video, just wish some of the card choices were different. Imo having magic players guess cards like magic cylinder, magical mallet, witch's strike, shard of greed is more interesting as stinker choices and cards like level eater, morphing jar, imperial order, foolish burial as staples. Just very simple effects and texts that dont require a lot of explanation and/or reading. more in the line of supply squad which I loved as a choice in one of the earlier episodes.
happy to see here the best italian mtg player
The one reason I play forbidden droplet is to remove monsters that my opponent puts on my field that stops you from playing
I.e. branded giving you ra's disciple, sprightly giving you iblee, heroes giving you dark angel, etc
For another episode, how about showing em Z-Arc or underworld goddess of the closed world
One of my apprentices plays MTG (I play Yugioh), and I showed him some cards from my deck. He took half a second to see how good Forbidden Droplet was.
Wasnt chain dissappearence side decked at 3 against zoodiacs when they were rampant?
Maybe a stupid question, but why can't i tribute summon with a monster stolen by Crackdown?
Honestly, Yugioh players saying that games usually end in 3 turns (1.5 turns for us) is insane to me.
In mtg, an aggro deck will be doing well if it kills the opponent in turn 4 (turn 7 or 8 for Yugioh players).
I Love those videos 👌
Ill admit the only deck crackdown is used in is control/stun decks as a backup for a bricked hand
Curious. You said w/ Crackdown you can't use the monster for a tribute summon... why is that??
You should throw in Naturia cards in there, I'm sure their archetypal floodgates would trip up unfamiliar players.
I was today years old when I realized man eater bug was featured in the artwork of chain disappearance
Crackdown is pretty strong for a trap, problem is we're in a tier 0 format and traps are too slow generally. It's a side deck card at best, but I'm glad he didn't call it a staple
So, with Crackdown, since it doesn't have the stipulation on the card stating "You cannot use this monster as a tribute for a tribute summon", seems to me that you can definitely use the monster to tribute summon off of it. Famous example I will give is Scapegoat's goat tokens that read you can't use them as a tribute for tribute summons that is stipulated directly on the Scapegoat card, so I am curious as to why Crackdown prevents you from tributing the monster for a tribute summon since it is not stipulated you can't.
I'm pretty sure it doesn't prevent the monster from being tributed, I think he just misremembered what the card did or mixed it up with something else.
the Fabled Unicore can negate the activation of spell speed 4 effects due to its effect becoming a continuous spell once its conditions are met, that's gonna mess with MTG players head
If you chain something in the column to imperm it doesn't resolve without effect it resolves fine because imperm is cl1
"Maybe when they make an archetype with monsters that are all 1000 or less attack and they mill the opponent"
Runick: 😬