Are OpTic REALLY a Top 3 Team?! Why FaZe NEED a Player Like Scrap! CDL Tier List w/ Censor
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Reverse Sweep: Are FaZe an S-TIER Team? “OpTic’s Floor is Top 4!” CDL Tier List w/ Censor.
CDL Major 2 qualifiers are underway, and and Reverse Sweep hosts and legendary Call of Duty pros Mark ‘MarkyB’ Bryceland, Doug ‘Censor’ Martin and Patrick ‘ACHES’ Price break down their CDL tier list and power rankings.
Are Atlanta FaZe and Simp, aBeZy, Cellium & Drazah lacking something that Toronto Ultra and Envoy, Scrap, Insight & CleanX have? Where do OpTic Texas and Pred, Dashy, Shotzzy & Kenny rank? And do Seattle Surge need to blow it up?
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CHAPTERS
0:00 Welcome back Censor!
1:16 Miami Heretics: just how BAD are they?
6:12 Have The Subliners fallen off?
10:45 Why Carolina’s roster moves are paying off
15:17 LAG: More MISS than HIT?
21:04 PrizePicks: Insight to struggle?
30:00 “FaZe need to learn from Scrap!”
38:37 Minnesota ROKKR: what happened vs OpTic?
46:25 “Seattle Surge must be dismantled!”
51:40 Will OpTic crack Top 3?
57:30 Why Censor loves the Vegas Legion
1:01:37 LA Thieves’ fall from glory
1:03:27 Censor’s honest take on Boston Breach
1:05:45 Will Ultra go back-to-back?
1:10:30 Predictions for Ultra vs FaZe & more!
1:16:00 Community questions: how Censor got dropped!
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Pat on reverse sweep > Pat on the Flank
Close. they both suck the same
I love the contrast. Pat is great
He plays his roles perfectly for both. S-Tier troll and shit stirrer on the Flank. Considered analysis and takes here.
the issue is theres way too many voices on the Flank, 5 hosts and then guests no one can get a word in
@@t00mgoos agreed
“The other teams, their subs aren’t struggling” moves the video back to faze and nysl, he says how abezy and hydra are struggling 😂
Poor choice of words, sure, but 1 sub each from top teams is different from 1 team having both their subs in a blender.
pred hasn't been in a blender though.... Shotzzy has been Optics inconsistant player and that's mostly in HP. He goes nuts in SND especially@@TheQuickyouknow
Lynz impact and pacing changes in the middle of maps is insane.if he keeps this performance and consistency while he is only 19, i can see some of top 4 teams wanting him in off-season if he is available except optic maybe because they will never drop pred or shotzzy
Don’t see that happening, but he could definitely be on a god squad that could be just as good as the top four maybe a little worse If they get all the best players outside of the top four on the same team
Lynz HyDra Abuzah +1 pls
@@b3to653 They are not dropping established superstars for rookies
@@SacredDiety i didn't say that. i said i want to see that trio team up
Lynz Hydra kismet flex scrap ar?
Lmfao if it was OpTic getting double rounded in the major instead of NYSL, Pat would be flaming them saying they aren’t top 6. Hilarious
Sure but optic didnt have a core of winners of last champs... That too was a 5-0 sweep.. Thats why he says they're godlke
previous game doesnt matter lol especially when they have a new player since that game. nysl looked good online in major 1 too and and shit the bed at the major. @@Vj28120
@Vj28120 Stop bro that makes too much sense for him to understand.
Hes never wrong just early
NYSL have come out in the qualifiers and going 4-0 beating faze tho
lynz is a super star, i think if they can get owakening to his past form or else if illey is available, i think illey can be a good replacement for wake
I could see maybe temp, exceed or lunarz(i don't know if he is AR or SMG)
@@sam2058temp? 🤣🤣
@@4ktdeelo Temp gets kills lol unlike Shitty Wake
Super star is a stretch… he’s definitely their star player but super star is reserved for the top 5 players
@@gabrieltorres1929 i don't think it's a stretch if you go to breaking point website and select only SMGs, lynz is in top 5 in all the stats considering he uses SMG more than 60% of the time in this AR heavy game with AR heavy maps. He is 4th in SMG kd, 5th in slayer rating, 2nd in kills, 3rd in damage, 4th in HP kills and ...
For each of you, what was your favorite smg to use and favorite ar to use just based off how much you enjoyed using it yourself
Question: Why is Rambo not getting any mention for the poor performances of Surge? We saw how things didn't go well with Optic last season and he was forced out. Now he joins Surge, puts together that questionable roster, and then makes a terrible roster change. He's believed around the league to be this fantastic coach but is that being brought into question with what is happening with Surge at the moment?
He got backpacked to champs by Illey shotzzy and hukes insane talent and Clay and Crim pretty much coached the team because how tf anyone going to coach better or even coach clay or crim themselves 😂
Question for Pat: You've been pretty hard on Clayster's performances. If you were in his shoes and still wanted to compete in the later stages of your career, how would you approach roster decisions (e.g., are you playing in challengers, are you only playing with young talent, going the vet route, etc)?
Personally, I HATE the Felo/TJ decision, I would have gone with 2 Faze Black players before they got picked up. Basically, market myself as the guy to develop talent.
Faze black players wouldn’t have gone to Carolina because it’s known as a poverty org , theyll rather go to a Boston/thieves type of org
The irony in Aches roasting clay performance because he was just as worse through bo3-aw and horrible in bo4 and mw19
Really solid list 👍
Do you think if the old complexity team were all in there primes they would be running majors on this game against ultra and faze?
Can’t believe Aches said he’d have NY over OpTic with a straight face 😂😂😂
How is that hard to believe? NY is 1-0 against FaZe and OpTic.
I would too tbh.. NY had bad major obv but right now at this moment, NY clears
optic the only team that hasnt beat another top 4
@@rhythmsprimenysl the only top 4 team that didn't even finish top 4
Remember this is online guys
If you had to rank the map Pools from this cod, last years cod and vanguard where would you rank the 3 from best to worst?
This is mainly for Aches. How difficult was it for you to step down from playing competitively. I’m not sure if you play still (ranked, CMG’s etc.) but playing cod is an outlet for a lot of people/gamers. Just an example would be a professional sports player still plays after they retire in lower leagues/Sunday leagues or they go into coaching because they can’t get away. How much have you played since you retired from cod? And how do you get your fix from that side of things?
I think he fills it by being on these shows as an analyst, which is another thing many ex pro sports players do to fill the void
OPTC is defintly not behind NY.. and we will see if optc fix there struggle on the first HP and a lot of other things like consistence from shootzy and pred
If they played now optic get slammed. We're in stage 2 now with an improved subliners while optic have looked like burgers in the lucky series they had against rokkr and only beat LAT who are a top 11-12 team in the game apart from that.
@@kenethernandez6246oof. Didn’t age well
@robbiewira5344 How? Subliners and Optic haven't played yet and that was my main point lmao. Reading comprehension has gone down the toilet these days it seems.
Optic are top 3 nysl are top 4/5
If every player in the CDL became a free agent and the league was to be redrafted, who would be the top 4 picks?
1)Simp 2)Scrap 3)Abezy 4)Cell 5)Dashy
Hydra Abezy simp dashy
Scrap, Simp, Hydra, Pred
(question) @Aches what was it like to win champs in ww2 & what was the team like ?
If you could unban or unGA one gun or equipment what would you pick?
Who are ur top 10-15 players all time ranked?
Question: Was there ever a moment on LAN where a teammate of yours played better than you’ve ever seen someone play before?
Optic below nysl is the most faded shit I’ve ever seen, love the OpTic hate tho keep it coming till they win this year
Cope
Bruh I’m an optic fan..they haven’t beaten NY, or faze. We need to see that happen before they are top 3
@@skywatters1NY got dead last stop it your bias is showing
@@bluethunder9102 what bias is that
Could you see a team like rokkr dropping owakening and buying attach? And why don’t we see that mid season that much anymore, it’s usually teams picking up challengers players.
Because any player that’s good enough for another team to want to pick up mid season is not going to be let go by their current roster to another team in the league
Do you guys think if Thieves pick up Bance for Afro would be an improvement? Or would it be a Horizontal Movement in the lineup ?
Is there 4 players in the bottom 8 teams that you could put together that would make a consistent top 4 team?
Yeah. Gwinn ghosty lynnz attach
I mostly agree with everything Pat said but I think there's some inconsistencies in the way he ranks teams, especially when it comes to OpTic. I thought LAN was always held in higher regard than online but NYSL getting last at Major 1 seems to get swept under the rug in favor of their online record. OpTic also got a lot of slander last season for having no ice but now that they're showing ice, it's turned into "they shouldn't be down 0-2 to Rokkr". I just think there needs to be consistency in the factors used to place a team in the rankings
I have a question for everyone: What are teams and players doing to prepare for the potential disbanding of the CDL next year? Activision/CDL probably not going to say anything until the absolute last minute, so what are teams doing to prepare for that and what do you guys think the pro cod scene looks like next year?
Doug is back YES
What team that won champs were the most dominant in the span of that respective title?
Faze cold War
Question for the gang, does Ultra have a chance to rival cold war FaZe for the best team in the CDL era?
Question: In many sports like basketball or football the pros are more talented than the pros before them. Do you believe it’s similar in CoD; that the new era pros are even more talented than the older pros, or is there not difference?
Question: Apart from the point Aches made regarding Faze perhaps lacking the extra confidence needed to win, do you guys also think that maybe the main Trio or a select few players on the team may also lack the same hunger to win they once had? I say this because I remember in cold war when they last to LAG in a regular match, the players expressed how upset they were. Now they lose another grand final and it seems like its almost whatever in some cases while they seemed to be a lot more passionate about results in the past.
“if we ignore every loss from NY, they’re better than OpTic and if we highlight every bad moment from OpTic, they’re an inconsistent team”
the OG hate is crazy
Question for everyone: Can you pick a team of players from outside Ultra/ FaZe/ Optic/ NYSL that would compete with the top 4?
Yes. Gwinn ghosty lynz and attach
Remember when Aches used to say: just look at the standings. One team is 30 points ahead yet they’re placed 4th🤣🤣🤣🤣
Since Cold War champs, the faze trio has only won one event which was last year with slasher. When is it gonna start being an issue amongst the trio and not the 4th that they pick up like Alec, slasher and now Drazah
Still the most consistent in placings in the CDL, no other team consistently is in damn near every final of every game so obviously they’re doing something right
@@robbiewira5344 oh definitely very consistent and scary but that’s what makes it more controversial. We expect this trio to win chips not second places. We hold them to the expectations we hold them because they’re top 10 in every game
Question for Pat: What is Ubisoft doing to combat cheating in Xdefiant?
the tone always changes when optic comes up. Instead of looking at what they are doing good (like the other good teams), it's always what they are doing bad and act like it can't be fixed ever.
Can we talk about how Standy was serviceable for the Legion last year with Clay and Temp and what changed for him to be the odd man out now with this current roster? It doesn’t make sense if it was a “toxicity” change since Attach has also teamed with Clay in the past and should be able to take criticism. Also do you see Standy making his way onto the Ravens?
QUESTION I think this is a great show and would love to see it continue/grow. Is there any way we could have guest spots even if it’s for a little to maybe break down gameplay/ add a segment. I think it would grow this show a lot if we had guest zooma or Seth for example
Can you guys share one of your funniest memories from the playing days?
I’m surprised no one has been saying this, but when Kenny was frying on the team dashy was playing bad, but now that dashy is frying Kenny is playing bad now. Is that a correlation between the two?
Question for Parasite: What was it like playing with Killa? Hes gotta be one of the most iconic ogs nobody talks about
Aches definitely doesn’t know lag LMFISIDIDIR SND THEIR STRONGSUIT I’m actually crying
1:16:47 thanks for answering my question
Question for Pat: you have the same opinion on Inders ability as I do, also Nero and Attach have been takeover good, do you think Nero, Gwinn, Attach, and Inder teaming together next year could be a t4- t3 team or potentially a champs contender? Or do you think salaries on these poverty organizations wouldn’t allow it?
OpTic lost to NY, Miami (when they were good), Faze, Faze and Faze... NY got dead last on lan... OpTic only lost to Faze on lan...
Optic is so underrated
Love the optic hate lol classic if ye think their not gonna improve you’re faded
Pat That was a perfect take on the FaZe squad. They need to be more cocky and confident
Question for everyone: Do you think the current Faze team would be a top 2 team on the older CODs like Bo2 and that era?
optic literally just got top 3 and was a snd away from beating faze lmao. Strong respawn team as expected and thats why they're statistically top 2 in hp rn. Just need to improve in snd which i think they have. Top3 for them at major 1 was huge imo for them going forward.
at what point do FaZe consider splitting up the trio of Simp, Cell, and Abezy to possibly start winning some more events? or, at the very least, considering a role change..or, do you guys think it's in the org's best interest to take consistent placings with prize money (every finals/GFs) over championships and rings? aka, LEGACY
I wonder what Aches thinks about Illey for Owakening or Illey for PurJ.
Illey isn't coming back. 😂😂
The fact gunless isn’t in LAG or any team id mind boggling.
Love gunless but it's not mind boggling. He was booted off huntsman for bad attitude, 2 years prior he DEMANDED a trade in IW, in Bo4 he benched himself. He is a wild card and for a past MVP he should be decimating challengers and winning those events, since he's not he doesn't look appealing to teams
What is the greatest shit talking in cod history? My personal favourite is aches and Mr X “you can’t snipe like that clay”
I miss when roles played a factor. 😢
What 4 teams won't make champs?
All will
ATL really needs to figure how to play ATL watching them play it is infuriating at best.
This might be a federal question, but in your opinion what is the worst roster that has been formed in the CDL? Because ngl this seattle team might be it
bro, love aches man wish he did more content
scrap really reminds me of prime aches
Also lag should drop assault and estreal and pick up brack/lunarz and
Exceed
How important do you think Role players are to CDL teams? Last year we saw Hicksy come in for Standy and they immediatley won a major and got 2nd at champs and they upgraded to Envoy and now they look unstopable. Also with Kismet as a role player on NYSL who won 3 events last year including champs, Do you think Faze need a role player to win events and to avoid their 2/3rd placings?
The thing is those two players aren’t Role players, they are stars in their own Right but they are still more team oriented Then the FaZe guys Who in my opinion Are kill whores
QUESTION 🙋♂️,
Hypothetically, if Faze don’t win a major before champs, do the trio make a change?
QUESTION🙋♂️,
Who is the missing 4th piece for Faze? Not just for winning, but for brand, likeness and popularity.
IMO, It’s Scrappy! He fixes everything. Everything Faze needs, he fills. In and outta game. Drazah is a nice 4th, but not the missing piece
THABK YOU ACHES FINALLY I HEAR SOMEONE SAY IT, cell is def the best in cod history
Only CDL era he said. There's plenty of players more successful than Cell
The OpTic hate is insane! New York is playing amazing right now but they literally want to just ignore them getting double rounded at Boston!
Did you even watch or listen? They said it was a bad event but outside of that they have been solid. Optic have been barely there the whole time, got 3rd by beating rokkr and seatle. And online scraping by in alit of matches. Should have lost their last two.. so it's not hate
@@liammbiscwitdefinitely is hate last year optic got double first rounded I think at major 4 and all pat did was talk shit about OpTic
@@liammbiscwitbrother look at the standings. It’s an average of both online and LAN. No way we’re just gonna say fuck the major NY has been playing better online right?
The event is what matters @@liammbiscwit
Its cuz they won 2 of last 3 majors and have the same core.. Thats wy theyre high on NY than OpTic
Question for everyone: What is the biggest "What if" moment in your career that if something slightly different happened everything would've been completely different
Do we think Ultras Sub Duo is getting exposed on Rio because its the only true 2 SMG map right now?
It feels Cleanx has been unreal with the MCW, but hasn't replicated that with the Rival and he was way more inconsistent than people talked about last year on the SMG.
No. They can beat anyone on the map They are just getting reps
They will get exposed by faze on Rio
Abuzahs talent wasted on that shit team is insane man
Wouldn’t say Optic always had a superstar teams. MW19 they did. Formal didn’t care at all in Cold War just wanted to retire at that point. Vanguard very unfortunate luck with Illeys thumb, MW2 Scump like formal 50/50 on retiring wasn’t fully committed and multiple other changes. First year since BO4/MW19 where the teams 100% set.
I’ll have whatever you’re smoking, optic always has and always will have a superstar team
@@zVask This is the first year in a while where all 4 are 100% and not near the end thinking about retiring the whole year moron
Pat contradicted himself this whole video.
The problem with Big wake is that he doesn’t have some cheese garbage to give him amplified awareness on the map, MW2019 Florida was the biggest Start Glitch abuser, Wake was snapping mfs through walls, CW-MW2 had Sound EQ😂😂😂, and now sound EQ doesn’t really do as much for you, so without the ability to abuse that garbage, mf is LOSTTTT on the map
literally every single team would be better with scrap kind of title is this lmao
Prize Pecs 🏴
The problem with Carolina for me is their maximum ceiling if EVERYONE is on point, is 5th at an event. They need one more change, honestly clay needs to go. He performs better than felo, but I think he’s too emotional and checks people out, and felo seems to already have great relationships with the upcoming challengers players.
Nah tbh I usually am the first to call Clayster a bum but for this roster it’s Tj who needs to go.
Clay does let his emotions fly, but I think that can truly be a winning piece with the right squad.
@@elxse4478 yeah, I honestly think they both could stand to go. Reaal would have been given another shot imo.
@@skywatters1 well it hasn’t been working since Cold War. And he always seems to want to team with mostly vets which again, doesn’t work. 1 vet, 3 young guns has been the only formula that anyone, outside of optic and faze, have successfully used to be a top team. Or 4 young guns. If you’re gonna use vets you gotta have The best of the best.
If Clay isn't there who else is going to bring the passion? Gonna turn into another Seattle
Haggy off the Molly
Seattle should be illey, abuzah, Huke, and staandy
Solid top 10 team right there
@@elxse4478😂
like attach said last year when he was ROKKR. the coaching staff made him change his play style. i think Owakening is falling to the same bs
Good point
Only way for Ultra to lose is by SnD which is why NYSL is the most likely team to beat them because their SnD is probably the best in the league.
Could see NYSL neslo Ultra, because Control seems to be Sib's only consistent mode.
NY also have the talent to take hp’s off them. Toronto will remain a t4 team but they wont be unbeatable all year. I think faze ultra Ny will all be the best team in the game at some point this year and maybe optic but I dont know if they have the consistency.
It’s so easy for these guys to sit here and criticize when they’re not actively playing as a pro.
What else are they going to do? Would be a pretty shit show if they can't critique
That whole OpTic argument about them getting the best talent and no one else gets the best talent is a stupid argument, THEY BUILT THEIR BRAND LMAO no duh they get the best talent they have the most money, every other team in the past had the same opportunity they did but didn’t take advantage of it keep hating on success ig 🤷♂️ not arguing placements that’s a different argument and I agree there’s definitely an argument for that
21. 35 Aches said Pred best player in the lobby that is a joke pred is not better than shottzzy dashy or even kenny , his not better than big wake, aches says some faded stuff thou
doug is relevant now ? lmfao
Absolute facts doug about optic
Sib did play well, that stat line is misleading since he did so poorly in the first HP. He went 9-30 lol outside of that he did pretty well
I don't think its misleading at all, I think it shows that he is wildly inconsistent in every mode other than Control, dropping either 0.7 or 1.3 and stat-padding/playing really good in the map 3s.
The heretics peaked in bo4 - they will play every single cod title the same - everyone fly around chall everything, lucky looks insane cause he’s slow and gets baited kills but he’s off pace with everyone else - they will never be a top team because of that.
TJ KREMP GHOSTY CLAY >>
Optic is in front of NYSL in my opinion
They have 2 Router changes and shootzy isnt anymore so good as in mw2... and pred hat a lot bad series. Kenny was not the decision
Roster
Not only can you not spell correctly but the whole comment is straight horrible 😂
Doug is delusional. We stole talent in 2015….
I mean faze were delusional confident they smoked nysl first map drazah was cooking them simp shot kismet body and it backfired on them yet again
Never shoot the bulldogs body
Exactly.....like they are too confident for one chip on three years lol. Like they have to get it together for how generationally talented they are and the fact they have team chemistry for days.
@@TheCivilStrangerno such thing as too confident
This is a problem with faze they have auto vetos unlike the other top 3 teams
faze doesn’t wanna play terminal SND or subase HP
they had to play Ny on their best SND map
Drazah wasn't cooking shit 😂😂😂 Noob ended up with a negative KD on FaZe by the end of the series 😭😭
If I was the Heretics I would drop Lucky and Erik bring in ReeaL and SupeR who has placed well in challengers and can speak that language, SupeR is gross
Optic has not beaten a team in the top 4 !!!!!
They played nysl first match of the cdl and only lost faze sooooo
WOUG IS BACK!!!
FaZe = CDL era tK
You guys are so biased 😂 optic hate pack is crazy …. Nysl went top 12 and overnight they are better than optic what ?!
I think Subliners and Faze both look shaky in hardpoint and Sib is honestly way too inconsistent. He went 9/30 in hardpoint against Faze... Pred got worldstarred all series against Rokkr and didn't look that bad.
I would probably put Faze honestly behind NYSL and Optic and NYSL ahead of OpTic, which could change if OpTic come out better in map 1s.
Why would you place Faze behind OpTic?
@@Vj28120because he’s delusional lmao
@@Vj28120 Because their respawn is very shaky and their SnD doesn't look good enough to consistently Neslo OpTic or the other top teams.
@@helforsite3130still doesn’t justify placing them behind optic when their match this year is 3-0, if anything it NYSL, Faze then lastly optic. Faze beat optic on lan and optic lost to nysl
Horrible takes as always
Swear some of them don’t actually watches the matches properly lol
Just a show to suck off faze, as per usual hit it with the down vote and move on.
This show is mainly for shitting on optic lmao
This whole channel is literally based on demeaning optic in a passive aggressive manner lol 😂. Like every 3rd video is about them.
No you're just upset and can't take criticism. Optic always have a lot of issues which is exacerbated by the fact they are built to be dominant. What you're pointing out is the fact that optic fans can't accept anything that isn't praise
@@liammbiscwitno matter how you slice it, optic places top 3 in the major and haven’t lost a match since then. No way you could say Ny is better than optic. But the goal post moves when it comes to optic. New York just placed 12th at the major and I guess they’re looked great?🤷🏽♂️ is what it is
@@liammbiscwit Go look through all their videos and ask yourself if their take on Optic is one sided or not. Their take on Optic is biased which is not surprising due to all the history they have competing against the Org. I don’t blame them for talking about Optic because it is their bread winner for the channel and you can’t get mad at someone having to make their money 🤷♂️
@lifeofsportspodcast6718 but you have to look at who they beat and how they beat them.. if NY and optic were to play next, who are you saying is the favourite in that match? Also no one is saying optic are bad but they are barely scraping by. Optic could be top 5 if it wasn't for rokkr playing like they already won on that control
@abep7183 regardless of the videos, anything that isn't positive about optic is hit with an abundance of hate even if what is being said is true. The bias is always really strong in optics favour, 1 rule for them and 1 rule for every other team. If optic scrape by its "they still won though" if another team scrapes by its "they should have lost, they got lucky". That's the mentality from green wall.
Optic wanted drazah and sib before they were stuck with Kenny. They don’t always get who they want.
They didn't want Sib
Optic never even considered picking up sib. It was always drazah then kenny.
They never even though about sib
Like no hate, but calling Censor a legend is crazy
NY just got better than OpTic over night or what XD