This!!!! Would love to see someone cover those bikes. Sure, covering top of the line is nice but most people never have the disposable income to sink in 8-10k bikes. The NCR/EDR is something that is still an important investment and for most of us, that'll be the top of the line that we can afford.
Price of frame is the best thing about this bike. It costs around 2700? EUR and you get the same frame the pros use. For comparison, the Sworks Tarmac frame the pros use costs like 5500 EUR and other brands aren't that far off in terms of prices. You can basically build an amazing bike with electronic shifting and carbon wheels for around 5k that rivals those that are over 10k. I just hope the frames come with more color options. The abyss green one looks sick in person.
Correct me if I am wrong, but AFAIK that frameset is the RCR PRO, not the regular RCR. So potentially, if the RCR frameset does release, it should be even cheaper
I ride the rcr pro team replica, and I'm a bit surprised with your thoughts about the comfort: in my opinion the bike is super comfy, even as a former owner of an ultimate cf sl. The bike is way way stiffer than the canyon at high power, and feels much safer in descent (one of the bad points of the ultimate).
Could you also do review on the Cinelli bikes. It’s such a cool company and I like thier “cult” approach to their fan base. Still tehy support the Italien youth teams and a local pro team. Even their old model the superstar seems to have been the frontrunner of the Pinarello top tube design. I’m intrigued but I don’t know if they are any good 😢😂 please 🙏
4.500, for an 8kg bike (without pedals). How in god's name is this good value. Who cares if other companies are charging 5 or 6 grand. This is still stupid money and if anyone pays it. Then more fools you. This is the reason bikes are so expensive. Tools are paying so much for heavy bikes.
I'm with you, but consider it includes an electronic group, a power meter and Zipp wheels. It's still nuts though, I have 10-15 year old bikes that were much cheaper and much lighter (no discs or clearance for huge tyres though, which I do think is a huge win on modern bikes).
Are these (aero type) bikes that much faster/better than a bike like the Giant Defy Advanced Pro 0, which you seem very fond of? I’m leaning towards a defy but don’t want to sacrifice performance
They are faster but the Defy is not slow and with deep section wheels it's still a quick bike - and the Defy's position might make it easier to rider faster for longer in more comfort. So unless you're racing or chainganging all the time the Defy won't sacrifice performance for you
The prices in the US, due to import, aren't as attractive enough compared to other major brands and especially Canyon. This model $1000 more in the US.
Not really sure what to make of this bike. I think it will fall in value massively on the second hand market. Also I don't know what the buying experience or aftersales care will be like from a big store retailer. I would rather pay the extra to get the street cred, resale value and desirablity of a one of the big brands ie trek, spec, pinarello, etc ,
All second hand bikes are worthless as the used market is dead because people can’t finance them and have no warranty. I had one of the older 2016 Btwin Ultra CF’s which I rode 5 years and still use for Crit racing. Bikes been faultless and Decaton after sales would put most to shame. When yon consider my S Works SL7 is on its 3rd warrenty frame in just over a year, buying higher end means nothing when it comes to quality.
It’s funny how those people who railed against “marketing” were well and truly sucked in by bike industry marketing. Did people honestly expect a £2000 SL8? 😂 The fact is that most bike manufactures have pretty standard costs around groupsets and the variation comes from frames and wheel sets.
frame costs specialized about 900 bucks, consumers can buy dura ace for about 2000 euros so I can only imagine what specialized pays for them, they make their own wheel sets and it probably only costs them about 600 bucks. seems like it only really costs them about 3000 euros so yeah, I think its fair to expect the bikes to be about 5k.
Sadly most manufacturers do that, but it's starting to change at least. 42cm has been standard for size M/54 for a long ass time. 40cm or 38cm would fit a lot more people.
@@Ca11mero that’s why people are buying more Chinese brands like Winspace and Yoeleo. It’s insane at their price points to not offer some customizability
Maybe couldn’t infiltrate Stadium and XXL territory:) I think the concept of Decathlon doesn’t really work in Sweden…but I’d like to know the actual reason behind their “retreat”.
@@jooohan-i9o Well only stores in Stockholm and really slow deliveries was probably why they did not go home here in Sweden. Also, very few sales or campaigns, not even black friday or winter sales of any kinds. People want to feel like they are getting a deal! Really bad they are leaving, I could live with 1-2 weeks delivery if I knew that was the case.
disappointing, why don't they just offer the same team bike. I don't get all the BS of cutting corners for base models. Just do it properly! jesus.Still a complete rip off in price and unjustifiable.
Nice bike, but hookless Zipps are pure crap, chinese wheels like Winspace or Elite are like 5 levels above for better price. Buying this bike means reselling wheels immediately, which kinda sucks 😢.
Aero benefits you more than light weight on the climbs? Haven't you got this backwards? Aero counts for nothing unless you're going over 25mph and low weight is paramount for a fast climbing bike.
Aero starts being the major force slowing you down at just 15mph. And you also need to keep in mind that these 15mph are not necessarily the speed you are moving at. If you have oncoming wind at 5mph and you are going at more than 10mph, the combined drag is once again more than 15mph which makes the aero important.
@@Macuhdohnadadoh True, bike marketers gotta market, but this question is settled. Aero is better than light (outside of long, steep climbs), but Aero + Light > Aero, which is where bike marketers have moved to now. No where else to go but more aero + more light (which is what we’ll see).
@@Macuhdohnadadoh 100%! Fit for purpose is always best, though if you are going to make generalized comparisons, you have to exclude environment/personal preference/drafting/etc, and I think reasonable to resort to watt efficiency or speed/time to complete a specific distance (what else would be better?), looking at both flats and moderate climbs (4-5% grades), which represent the vast majority of riding. And there, aero always wins.
Nice review. It’s great to see someone else in this space to force prices back to earth.
It would be nice if you could also review the Van Rysel NCR or EDR. These are more realistic bikes for most of us.
This!!!! Would love to see someone cover those bikes. Sure, covering top of the line is nice but most people never have the disposable income to sink in 8-10k bikes. The NCR/EDR is something that is still an important investment and for most of us, that'll be the top of the line that we can afford.
Most modern bikes look a like. What separates them is the carbon layup and types of carbon in specific areas. Good review
Most bikes come to the same chinese manifacturer. So just pick your favourite
Giant ? Taiwan ? Manufacture @@LucaBonato
Sounds great to buy as a frame kit and build it with some nice lightweight budget components
Price of frame is the best thing about this bike. It costs around 2700? EUR and you get the same frame the pros use. For comparison, the Sworks Tarmac frame the pros use costs like 5500 EUR and other brands aren't that far off in terms of prices. You can basically build an amazing bike with electronic shifting and carbon wheels for around 5k that rivals those that are over 10k.
I just hope the frames come with more color options. The abyss green one looks sick in person.
Correct me if I am wrong, but AFAIK that frameset is the RCR PRO, not the regular RCR. So potentially, if the RCR frameset does release, it should be even cheaper
I ride the rcr pro team replica, and I'm a bit surprised with your thoughts about the comfort: in my opinion the bike is super comfy, even as a former owner of an ultimate cf sl. The bike is way way stiffer than the canyon at high power, and feels much safer in descent (one of the bad points of the ultimate).
It’s a copy of SL7 … and this is the reason because it’s very nice bike
Let down by the UK prices thanks to the Brexit. The Canyon Aeroad is cheaper than Van Rysel both at medium and top levels.
So Canyon a German brand isn't affected by BREXIT 😂😂😂😂😂😂
The Canyon Aeroad is also cheaper n Spain where I live.
@@drummerman122 still cheaper in the uk than the van rysel. And also come with single piece handlebar which costs more than two piece design.
Plenty of bikes made in Taiwan or China.
Agreed. Not exactly a “bargain” considering the groupset and the weight. Lots of options out there.
It's a great bike none the less, but... where is yours long term review on L Twoo groupset, David? Unless I missed on something
It has deda handlebar and deda is measuring end to end and nit cwnter to center so its rather 42 than 44mm handlebar whicj is nirmal for this size
UK prices are crazy! It’s way cheaper to hop on the tunnel and buy it in Europe insread. 😂
Nice looking bike. Cool to see a new brand on the high end. I cant afford it, though...😊
I almost jumped of my seat when I saw the car appeared behind the bushes in the corner. 😂 when you was deciding
hahahahaha
@@aldrinclementina4297 pretty common in the UK’s country roads. Happens to me in every two rides. You get used to after a while.
Happened twice - Dave kept calm and rode on 👍
44cm handlebar 🥴
Worst part about top brands, paying top dollar for the least aero cockpit…
@@matkrek Not just not aero but also not ergonomic for all but the widest of riders.
We like the critic!
I rode my NCR CF for 5000km now, does it make sense to get the RCR or RCR Pro, more aero and deeper wheels ?
Could you also do review on the Cinelli bikes. It’s such a cool company and I like thier “cult” approach to their fan base. Still tehy support the Italien youth teams and a local pro team. Even their old model the superstar seems to have been the frontrunner of the Pinarello top tube design. I’m intrigued but I don’t know if they are any good 😢😂 please 🙏
Any chance of a review of the Cube Agree?
4.500, for an 8kg bike (without pedals). How in god's name is this good value. Who cares if other companies are charging 5 or 6 grand. This is still stupid money and if anyone pays it. Then more fools you. This is the reason bikes are so expensive. Tools are paying so much for heavy bikes.
I'm with you, but consider it includes an electronic group, a power meter and Zipp wheels. It's still nuts though, I have 10-15 year old bikes that were much cheaper and much lighter (no discs or clearance for huge tyres though, which I do think is a huge win on modern bikes).
my 2017 canyon ultimate CF SL with aluminium wheels is 7,7 kg with pedals and cost 1600
Are these (aero type) bikes that much faster/better than a bike like the Giant Defy Advanced Pro 0, which you seem very fond of? I’m leaning towards a defy but don’t want to sacrifice performance
They are faster but the Defy is not slow and with deep section wheels it's still a quick bike - and the Defy's position might make it easier to rider faster for longer in more comfort. So unless you're racing or chainganging all the time the Defy won't sacrifice performance for you
Awesome & Thanks :)
Any update on your plans for the damaged Giant TCR frame you bought a few months ago? 👍
Yes, very soon - now the busy period is over of launches I'm back in the workshop building it up
Reviews on the decathlon website mention squeaks. Whats your opinion on build quality? Is it cheap for a reason?
Probably need to reseat rear wheel
this frame vs the latest propel frame for aero performance?
Which ENVE wheels are you using? the top spec one or just a Foundation?
Same ones as Pogacar, SES 4.5 - I should do a video on them really
Just want this with a 105 di2 so bad😅
Need release of the FCR 😢
The prices in the US, due to import, aren't as attractive enough compared to other major brands and especially Canyon. This model $1000 more in the US.
agree not interested in the US
I couldn’t find one of the Decathlon website for £4,500. Looks like the cheapest one for us in the US is $5,500 USD.
Décathlon has leave the US recently. So it’s imported from Canada
@@arthurfinidori609 🥲🥲 dang that sucks
@@arthurfinidori609 lol this model isn't even on the Canadian site at all
I don’t know why bike companies insist on putting wide handlebars on bikes.
Not really sure what to make of this bike. I think it will fall in value massively on the second hand market. Also I don't know what the buying experience or aftersales care will be like from a big store retailer. I would rather pay the extra to get the street cred, resale value and desirablity of a one of the big brands ie trek, spec, pinarello, etc ,
All second hand bikes are worthless as the used market is dead because people can’t finance them and have no warranty.
I had one of the older 2016 Btwin Ultra CF’s which I rode 5 years and still use for Crit racing. Bikes been faultless and Decaton after sales would put most to shame. When yon consider my S Works SL7 is on its 3rd warrenty frame in just over a year, buying higher end means nothing when it comes to quality.
Idk why would i buy a van rysel when the next higher Tier Canyon is same price? 🤷♂️
I bought 2 Canyons at different times and they got to Vancouver within a week.
when are you going to talk about the fifty one?
Soon!!
It’s funny how those people who railed against “marketing” were well and truly sucked in by bike industry marketing.
Did people honestly expect a £2000 SL8? 😂
The fact is that most bike manufactures have pretty standard costs around groupsets and the variation comes from frames and wheel sets.
frame costs specialized about 900 bucks, consumers can buy dura ace for about 2000 euros so I can only imagine what specialized pays for them, they make their own wheel sets and it probably only costs them about 600 bucks. seems like it only really costs them about 3000 euros so yeah, I think its fair to expect the bikes to be about 5k.
The weight of bike ?
is in the video - 8kg
That's definitely a rebadged 'WinSpace' bike
The frameset is unmistakably WinSpace frame
Haha, no.
same level of pricing as cannondale trek or canyon in the USA...
Why pay a premium to have to switch out the 44cm bar…
Sadly most manufacturers do that, but it's starting to change at least.
42cm has been standard for size M/54 for a long ass time. 40cm or 38cm would fit a lot more people.
@@Ca11mero that’s why people are buying more Chinese brands like Winspace and Yoeleo. It’s insane at their price points to not offer some customizability
I hate narrow handlebars.
Thougt the van rysel would be a price gamechanger. But no.
So buying an aero bike knowing you'd have to exchange the handlebar because it's nit aero enough. Seems like a really...umm strange choice 🤔
Zipp wheels no go
I want it!
Decathlon just shut all their stores and web-shop in Sweden...
My RC520 will have to do and I'll buy something else...
Maybe couldn’t infiltrate Stadium and XXL territory:) I think the concept of Decathlon doesn’t really work in Sweden…but I’d like to know the actual reason behind their “retreat”.
@@jooohan-i9o Well only stores in Stockholm and really slow deliveries was probably why they did not go home here in Sweden.
Also, very few sales or campaigns, not even black friday or winter sales of any kinds. People want to feel like they are getting a deal!
Really bad they are leaving, I could live with 1-2 weeks delivery if I knew that was the case.
@@DavidtheDoom hmmm, strange. Too bad with the bikes, really. Seems like Decathlon and Van Rysel have a good thing going…
My sram rival likes to suck the chain, which is crap
I love it
disappointing, why don't they just offer the same team bike. I don't get all the BS of cutting corners for base models. Just do it properly! jesus.Still a complete rip off in price and unjustifiable.
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Bikes have gotten way too expensive
Ça ressemble à un sl7 mais ce ne sera jamais un sl7.
To heavy for its price; should cut at least 500gr off
Nice bike, but hookless Zipps are pure crap, chinese wheels like Winspace or Elite are like 5 levels above for better price. Buying this bike means reselling wheels immediately, which kinda sucks 😢.
Western brand name, quality by Temu.
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Aero benefits you more than light weight on the climbs? Haven't you got this backwards? Aero counts for nothing unless you're going over 25mph and low weight is paramount for a fast climbing bike.
You are wildly misinformed.
Aero starts being the major force slowing you down at just 15mph. And you also need to keep in mind that these 15mph are not necessarily the speed you are moving at. If you have oncoming wind at 5mph and you are going at more than 10mph, the combined drag is once again more than 15mph which makes the aero important.
@@Macuhdohnadadoh True, bike marketers gotta market, but this question is settled. Aero is better than light (outside of long, steep climbs), but Aero + Light > Aero, which is where bike marketers have moved to now. No where else to go but more aero + more light (which is what we’ll see).
@@Macuhdohnadadoh 100%! Fit for purpose is always best, though if you are going to make generalized comparisons, you have to exclude environment/personal preference/drafting/etc, and I think reasonable to resort to watt efficiency or speed/time to complete a specific distance (what else would be better?), looking at both flats and moderate climbs (4-5% grades), which represent the vast majority of riding. And there, aero always wins.
This is correct when the weight difference is up to 500 grams, but this ones a porker.
How the fuck is 8kg lightweight? This is a fat bike 😂
The Fake Tarmac
Copy of Tarmac SL7
Looks exactly like my Reacto 6000....!!!