Anaesthesia in UK - Do's and Don'ts
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- čas přidán 21. 03. 2021
- For the first time, through this video, we are branching out and bringing our viewers genuine Information about the benefits and common challenges faced by an "Anesthetist" considering moving to UK.
We have a special guest - Dr. Sowmiya Lakshmanan, whose trained in India as an Anesthetist and has now been working with the NHS for 3 years. She tackles some of the common queries and talks about the pros and cons and the do's and dont's about the field. We also talk about the various pathways to progress in towards a fruitful anaesthetic career.
As always, any queries please reach out to us at
yourmentor121@gmail.com
Ekansh Debuka, Aditya Malik and Anirudh Sharma
Very interesting video. 👍👍👍 Looking forward to more such talks
Thanks very much ! We'll be out with more very soon :)
Tq very much
Concise and good valuable info.. wish I had this three years earlier..
Some of my personal observations..
1.Edaic is now tough to sit as many are applying compared to 5 years earlier when very few knew about it..lucky me
2.MTI is losing out in favour of the edaic or m med pathways ..
3. Interestingly many have been able to jump into training due to easing of visa restrictions and the covid scenario giving a lineant entry criteria for ST3
4. MMed is attractive to many as if you manage to get your subspecialty of interest in a good hospital u don't need training to become a subspecialiyu locum consultant in that hospital (provided they like you).. BUT the cost is a major factor .. I don't know how valuable a MMed would be in your CV ultimately after all the time and cost
5. Finally CESR is losing out to these other options because of the widespread opinion regarding finding your own evidence and jobs to sort that out in a five year time frame ...let lone the changes that come with the 2021 curriculum
Personal ly I have gone through the MTI/ EDAIC/SAS to LOCUM consultant path but ultimately landed up in training.. obsessed with CCT
Ya there are many options and each has it's own limitations or benefits which one an individual can decide. I agree that , I wish we had this info and much more available before migrating. Our whole purpose is to just give a overview from what we learnt from individual experiences.
All said and done anaesthesia atleast has enough options unlike surgical branches.
Also,I feel the current lot of people entering post graduation training atleast have more awareness than probably what I had during my MD. It is good to see many even trying the primary FRCA route as well.
Sir if you don't mind can I access with your WhatsApp number...for some info.
@@sowmiya5886 Maam could you elaborate about the pathway
for edaic route after completing 2(part 1 &2) steps --> then registration then--> job can be applied is it correct or more is there
Hi Mohammed, I would like to know some more info. May I msg u?
Thanks.
@@geezeweezebabypls yes please
1. Try to bring all specialist interview
2. Have a concrete set of questions so that max queries can be solved
3. Try to bring the consultant on interview, so that people can have a perspectives of their lives also in uk, their Lessons, their mistakes, family life,finances, to get a clarity about and being wise , so that one can look upon and make a informed decision to immigrate. All interviews are about new immigrants , life in uk and blah blah, No one talks about the later life. I hope you will touch upon it. Thank you
Thanks for the suggestions Yogesh. We will try and touch upon these topics in our upcoming videos !!
Very useful video. Pls keep doing these kind of videos.
Also one little suggestion.
Pls guys, let someone finish before the other talking.
Suggestion taken on board 👍👍 !!
Good channel!
Thank you very much !! 🙏👍
Hi. Nice video but there are few misinformation provided.
1. To sit Primary frca for international students, no sign offs are required. There is something called TEE application (temporary exam eligibility) and can be started as early as 6 months into MD/DNB training.
2. To get into specialty training, core competencies must be signed off or its equivalence need to be achieved. Which cannot be done from overseas. To get competencies signed you need to be posted in General, obs and ICU rotations during your initial stay/job in UK. You cannot get all competencies signed by working in a subspecialty.
Hi many thanks for your inputs. I agree with what you have said. We just wanted to give a overview on all possible ways. I didn't dwelve into details of any of the pathways.
One cannot sign any competency here by working in a subspecialty here. Subspecialty is only for people who are looking at that specific subspecialty and are unsure if getting into training is what they want .
Sorry if that sounded confusing. I only meant the competency that needed signing off in general
. To appear for the OSCE part of primary frca, one needs to show equivalence of training which unless you are aware to get done during post graduation is a oppurtunity lost. It is good if one is aware about it from the beginning of MD/DNB. But practically what I have seen among peers is that among the options of plab/ edaic/ mti/ mmed/ primary FRCA, Primary FRCA is comparitively difficult. Unless, one is aware of it right from first year of joining post graduation, it delays the migration process.
Coming to core competency sign off, I did emphasise that it is better done in UK and can be achieved with focused approch within one year of NHS work. The scope of this chat way just to give a overview for everyone at all levels and not get into details.
@@sowmiya5886hi mam
Please interview ENT doctors from India currently working in NHS through MRCS route . It would be great if you give us the idea how to proceed after completing MRCS & job offers available.
Yes .. we are working in it and should have something ready in the next few weeks !!
I have done diploma in anaesthesia (CPS ) and have 7 plus years of experience as consultant anaesthesiologist in multi-speciality hospital..
Please suggest which path should I suggest
Hi doctor..
Am i eligible to sit final frca after my edaic and fcai if i get 12 months working experience in UK?
While doing Mmed programme we can give Frca part 1 ?
Very informative video.. Wanted to know more about MMed.. Which all hospitals offer MMed? And approx cost... and will you be paid during the course.. how much?
Thank you for the compliment Gaurav, for the updated list, you'd have to contact the University / Program themselves as they may change frequently..
Yes you get paid the regular salary as per your position any experience level which is always set out in your job plan..
Generally about 40k pounds + /- banding
After ms gen surg n mrcs part a and b ; is it possible to do a speciality in uk in urology or plastic surgery ? Either as st3 or through any other way ..
Please make an elaborate video for aspiring surgeons .
Dear Sonali. Yes it is possible, but the road is tougher with higher experience. If you have worked for many years, the non training route becomes the only alternative, as getting into training pathway is quite difficult, depending on your chosen specialty. we will make videos on surgical pathways soon. at the moment most our videos are for orthopaedics and anaesthsia. however, meanwhile you can always head over to the royal college websites and find out the person specifications for urology and/or plastic surgery.
if you drop us an email on your mentorship programme - yourmentor121@gmail.com, we can connect you to non training and possibly training registrars who will be willing to guide you. hope this helps
Hello doctor, I am a prospective MTI applicant. I had written PLAB 1 in early 2017 but unfortunately failed, I again took PLAB 1 later in 2017 and was successful this time but didn’t pursue it further because I already had a training position in my home country. I am currently preparing to take FRCA part 1, I would like to know whether I’m eligible to apply for an MTI position because it says "must not have previously failed any part of the PLAB Test."
Thank you!
Dear Jaskaran, please read the following
PLAB and MTI Eligibility:
a candidate who has sat and passed part 1 of PLAB over five years ago would be considered for MTI
a candidate who has sat and passed part 1 of PLAB between four and three years ago would be considered providing that they provide a satisfactory reason for the change in route to GMC registration
a candidate who has sat and passed part 1 of PLAB within the last three years would not be accepted for MTI.
Candidate should not be in possession of any part of PLAB or have attempted to sit it
This should be clear enough
Ma'am please clarify. Is EDAIC not enough to apply for speciality training ST3 level? Primary FRCA is a must?
Hope this helps
"At the moment, one can get full GMC regarding with EDAIC + OET/ IELTS. This can change in future due to Brexit. You can apply for non training ST3 level jobs with this
With just EDAIC, it is not possible to enter ST4 training ( it is no longer ST3). Primary FRCA is needed and basic competency sign off in maternity, icu and general anaesthesia as per RCoA guidelines is required "
From which hospital she did her regional Anaesthesia?@21.07
Excellent information.
frca vs mti- After getting accepted, what post/designation do we start with?
Also, does mti offer a tag/degree after completion? Like the frca tag which helps one to secure better jobs in any country.
Thanks
Thank you.. post would be of a Registrar.
No degree from an MTI program but does go on your CV
@@EkanshDebuka appreciate your response. It helps ✌️
How can we get in touch with DR.Sowmiya to know more about mmed ? Do you offer services for consultation ?
Are Holders of ediac exempted from giving primary frca?
If you plan on getting into training then primary FRCA is a must.
But with the EDAIC, you can just give the finals without the primary.
Thank you all for guiding us ....i have questions regarding
My self dr.devendra makwana MD ANAESTHESIA completed in 2021 in india, if i want to come through mmed pathway in uk..from where should i get information regarding mmed course . N which institute is best or good inough n the duration of course . Or any salary or stipend during the course time.... thank you please guide me mam 🙏
Please check out the other videos on our channel. We've explored most of the questions you've asked over a few of them. The titles and the description of the video should give you an idea as to which one. If not, let us know and we'll send you the links...
Can someone please clear a doubt….as a MBBS graduate I planning to give PLAB, and later get into Anaesthesia in UK, how do I make my profile eligible for FRCA?? Should i look for a training job in anaesthesia related roles or is it compulsory to have some training in anaesthesia from India before coming to UK?
Both are valid options with their own pros and cons .. send us your queries on yourmentor121@gmail.com
We can get our anaesthesia colleague to answer them for you !
Sir what u think about artificial intelligence will it replace doctors in near future..
Depends on the definition of "near" ! Don't think it's happening in mine and your lifetimes !!
Hi Sir..really appreciate your content 👍
Can you please make video on ent prospects in uk especially after mrcs ent after pg as img
Hello Ashly,
We will do so very soon. Do keep checking out our channel frequently..
Is there something specific you'd like for us to touch upon ?
@@EkanshDebuka Just the general aspects we should know after completing mrcs ent..like the opportunity for trainees and non trainees in ent there Sir.
And thanks for the reply 😊
@@ashlyalexander4108 will do soon !!👍
@@EkanshDebuka Thank You
i wanted to know if we enter UK via MTI pathway and return back to our country after the training of 2 years, can we give FRCA during/after the training process and re-enter UK to practice anaesthesia permanently?
U can give FRCA whilst on mti. At the moment there are lot of vacancy in anaesthesia . So you could get offered a locum consultant position when you comeback ( This will completely depend on how things stand when you come back).
To get a substantiative consultant post you need to enter training complete CCT or go on specialist register of GMC by signing competency via CESR pathway.
@@sowmiya5886 mam with edaic pathway which level job we can get there .? And after clearing of edaic can we get specialist level gmc registration?
Can do USMLE and plab in anesthesia
Look here plz
Just turned down a UK offer to move down under
Good for you !!
Hello mam, Post Dm Cardiac Anaesthesia is it easy to enter UK with than just MD Anaesthesia?
Nothing is easy to be honest but it sure helps to have more experience and skills !!
It should be an extra point in your favour
How to get through the MMED pathway?
The application process is the same as the Mch for the MMed pathway.. best place to find out the details is on their website and reaching out to them for their next vacancies..
Does the EDAIC pathway offer training positions, if yes which ST level do we enter training?
No it doesn't, for training, FRCA primary is must. EDAIC is good to get a GMC registration.
@@EkanshDebuka after edaic at what designation we will be working in NHS and what will be the pay scale?
@@RAMTA_SLAYER depends on what post you apply for. It's most likely a registrar post !!
@@EkanshDebuka I want to go for CESR-CP pathway after completing my EDAIC and getting GMC registration.
So, will I be getting ST4 post?
@@RAMTA_SLAYER I reiterate, this is not set in stone .. it depends on what job you apply for and what level the job is at. Please take some time to see our other videos as well and if u have more questions please send us an email at yourmentor121@gmail.com. our team will reply ASAP
Does mMed fees halved even with EDAIC1 or just FrCA1.
Decision rests with University. Best to contact them directly..
julia.berry@wwl.nhs.uk
Hello sir hope u will doing well i recently completed beachlor in anesthesia how i can immigrate to uk
Hi Dr Khan,
We do not understand what's a bachelor in anaesthesia since it is a master's program.
Also, we've discussed moving options in our other videos, please take some time and go through them and you'll understand better.
@@EkanshDebuka beachlor of anesthesia is four degree part of allied health science.
What's job prospect after doing edaic 2 ?
Please send us an email with a little more about yourself, preferably your CV to yourmentor121@gmail.com and we can help you better from there !
What is pathway to Persue anaesthesiology after mbbs + plab
After plab you need to do a FY2 training job or work as a junior clinical fellow in ED or medicine. Get basic competency signed of. Write MSRA exam for ACCS pathway . Give a interview to enter anaesthesia training at Core training level ( CT) . It is for 3 years during which time you need to complete primary FRCA.
After CT3+primary FRCA, you are eligible for 4 years of ST level higher training in anaesthesia
@@sowmiya5886 thank you so much for brief answer!!
@@sowmiya5886 what is the pathway after completing edaic?
Hello, I just completed MD Anesthesia (IGGMC, Nagpur)from India currently working as Senior Resident i.e. compulsory for one year. I want to move to the UK can you tell me the process for working in the NHS. I see as Plab is for Junior doctors but is there any other options.
Please go through our other videos like what to do after the MRCS .. those options Pply for anaesthesia as well like MTI, mch, fellowships or jobs on NHS jobs websites.
Hi ,iam an anaesthesia technician. How to get job in abroad
Apologies can't help with your query !! Beyond what we can effectively advise on..
Any experience limit at st3 level in anesthesia?
Do you mean to enter training @ ST3 level ?
@@EkanshDebuka yes sir , I mean that for someone who has done md /dnb anesthesia (3yr pg) while the experience limit be a limiting factor? (as in general surgery and orthopaedics )
@@pranjalshukla3913 it's possible to into training even after having done anaesthetics in India. The following page has the requirements that should give you a better idea
anro.wm.hee.nhs.uk/st4
@@EkanshDebuka thank you sir
So she didn’t have go through training again ?
No, you can still work here without having to be in training on a middle grade level.
Anesthesia training in UK is 8yrs.....what is d equivalent of DM Anesthesia( superspecialist) like cardiac Anesthesia, Neuroa esthesia,Pain medicine, etc..in UK or how does an Anesthestist become a superspecialist in UK? Thank u.
One gets exposure through the regular training program and then also do a fellowship in whatever you are interested in. Please drop us an email at yourmentor121@gmail.com if you have any more questions.
@@EkanshDebuka further fellowship is required after 8 yrs?....how many more years of fellowship required?
@@swapandebb no hard and fast rule unlike in India. It's something one realises as they work if and where and how long to do it for. Some people don't do it also..
@@swapandebb point is, you can't chart everything to the point. You'll have to be flexible and adaptable and you'll be fine.
Thanks so much
1. Which universities/colleges offer Mmed? Please share a list.
2. Which universities/colleges offer Mmed in pain medicine in specific? Please share a list.
3. Does Mmed require GMC registration?
4. How much does Mmed cost on average?
Hi Joseph,
1. There are a few like Edge Hill, Canterbury, Dundee. Some others are now coming up with similar programs but with their own pros and cons to it. There's a program at Aberdeen as well.
2. For individual pathways, please contact the university directly for up to date information.
3. Yes, Mmed also requires GMC registration.
4. DIfferent universities have different cost structures which are subject to change. Again. something you are best exploring with individually due to the dynamic changes with the pandemic.
Is it possible to get to uk after DA Anaesthesia
It is... But you'll have to start at a plab level most probably.. Unless your trust recognises your qualification.
@@EkanshDebuka What is DA anesthesia I am from Pakistan and I am doing bachelor can yu guide me that help me in Future plz
@@alisaid3212 I'm sorry I don't understand what you are exactly asking here ?
What is DA anesthesia?
@@EkanshDebuka what is DA anesthesia? Can you give me your WhatsApp number that I contact for info.. plz
Good video, but gentlemen please let the lady finish her point. Time and time again you interrupted her and once she couldn’t finish what she was about to say.