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    CHAPTERS
    00:00 Intro
    03:26 Sappho: The Original Lesbian
    05:32 Who was Sappho?
    11:02 Compulsory Heterosexuality
    14:20 Iconography
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    19:36 Conclusion
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Komentáře • 950

  • @thelittlestpika
    @thelittlestpika Před 2 lety +1278

    Historians are always like "THERE HAS TO BE A HETEROSEXUAL EXPLANATION FOR THIS."

    • @solsystem1342
      @solsystem1342 Před 2 lety +28

      There really isn't

    • @gokuscalves2102
      @gokuscalves2102 Před 2 lety +37

      Historians: *frantically searching for anything VAUGELY straight* c'moon *c'moon*

    • @G1NZOU
      @G1NZOU Před 2 lety +24

      "Oh my god, they were roommates"

    • @kitkatmelon
      @kitkatmelon Před 2 lety +7

      And yet... There somehow never is...

    • @supersheep6486
      @supersheep6486 Před 2 lety +4

      In a good way or a bad way

  • @mandipandi303
    @mandipandi303 Před 2 lety +2218

    Homophobic historians claiming Sappho was straight is simultaneously so hilarious and so infuriating.

    • @TamaNegi-el9yd
      @TamaNegi-el9yd Před 2 lety +91

      That’s why they gave her Penis, from the island of men. The manliest man, a man with a penis from man Island could be 😅😂

    • @Kris-wo4pj
      @Kris-wo4pj Před 2 lety +41

      It was the original gal with pals and why reddit has a community called sappho and her friend/pal

    • @kalebh3419
      @kalebh3419 Před 2 lety +44

      The way historians and academia perpetuate this lie that homosexuality is a modern western invention is honestly so sinister...

    • @ReptilianTeaDrinker
      @ReptilianTeaDrinker Před 2 lety +26

      @@kalebh3419 True. It's quite scary, honestly. The fact they try to lie and also deny that homosexuality has been a thing for a LONG time is really sus of them and of course, super homophobic.

    • @gmiill
      @gmiill Před 2 lety +22

      Yeah, it's kinda like you don't know if you should be worried about their level of intelligence or terrified they'd burn you at the stake if they had a chance. Tbh it normally comes out to be both sides lmao

  • @lefthanddontknow673
    @lefthanddontknow673 Před 2 lety +1335

    Re: Being described as having "violet" hair. Violet in ye olde days wasn't a word for purple, it was a word for blue. One with violet hair would have the classically 'true black' blue-black hair that was so coveted compared to brown-black hair.

    • @nevadag606
      @nevadag606 Před 2 lety +67

      Still cool though 👀👀 Greeks didn’t have a word for blue so it makes sense that they would give it a different description.

    • @littlepixieme1
      @littlepixieme1 Před 2 lety +4

      That was my theory too!

    • @jumpingnought
      @jumpingnought Před 2 lety +26

      Hooray you've said the thing I was coming to say, but could remember the correct examples for. All I could remember was wine-dark sea, which wasn't connecting to an actual hair colour for me! :)

    • @pattheplanter
      @pattheplanter Před 2 lety +18

      @@nevadag606 Well, apart from, in alphabetical order, the ancient Greek words for blue: γλαυκός (blue-grey or blue-green), καλάινος (iridescent blue-green), κυανεος (dark blue), οὐράνιος (sky-blue), ὑπερκυάνεος (very dark blue), ὑακίνθινος (blue) and χαροπότης (light blue).

    • @pattheplanter
      @pattheplanter Před 2 lety +39

      Sappho wrote of violet garlands/crowns (στέφανοι ἴων) worn by herself and a gal pal, suggesting she spent some time in the violet season with violet flowers in her hair. Hence "violet-haired", perhaps. ἰάνθινος meant "of the colour of violets", which are violet and were violet then, in a non-Newtonian sense. Definitely a purple on the blueish end of the range. The dark-haired interpretation is from scholars with no poetry in their souls.

  • @littlepixieme1
    @littlepixieme1 Před 2 lety +1878

    Fun fact: older cultures sometimes used different words to describe colors. Ancient Japan didn't have a word for "green" and considered it a shade of blue. So maybe Sappho's "violet" hair wasn't actually purple? But probably was a dark color - I would assume raven-colored (as in, black but maybe showing blues, greens, or purples in certain lights?). Or maybe she was just super dedicated go aesthetics and put a shit ton of energy into dying her hair. I would, if I got thrown back in time. I love my crazy colors

    • @CM-ss5pe
      @CM-ss5pe Před 2 lety +483

      I did a little digging, and it seems Alcaeus used the word ιοπλόκος (ioplókos) for her, which apparently was a poetic way to refer to dark hair.
      On the other hand, the word literally translates to 'violet-knitted', so it's likely she just liked to adorn her hair with violets.
      Lesbian cottagecore af.

    • @finchhawthorne1302
      @finchhawthorne1302 Před 2 lety +59

      This matches how my classic professor explained it, so while I’ve long forgotten the details I’m pretty sure your right!

    • @kiwiequis4144
      @kiwiequis4144 Před 2 lety +32

      Violet was referencing blue-black hair.

    • @pattheplanter
      @pattheplanter Před 2 lety +98

      @@CM-ss5pe Sappho wrote in her poetry of violet garlands/crowns (στέφανοι ἴων) worn by herself and a gal pal. The word πλόκος (plokos) can mean a "wreath or chaplet" as well as a lock of hair, according to the Liddell/Scott _Greek-English Lexicon_ The examples given include flowers and herbs. I think you just solved it. The whole "dark-haired" explanation smacks of Victorian academic theory to me. Old men who had never danced with violets in their hair.

    • @antoniomromo
      @antoniomromo Před 2 lety +17

      I believe the Greeks also had no unique word for blue if I'm remembering art history correctly.

  • @ethemie
    @ethemie Před 2 lety +946

    I had a Greek literature professor try to argue the "she could have been writing from the perspective of a man" framing and claim that whether or not Sappho was a lesbian isn't really important to understanding her poetry, and I genuinely have never had my respect for a teacher plummet so quickly.
    Also one of the funniest attempts to straightwash her poetry is that one scholar claimed that the lines "on a soft bed you let loose your longing" from frag. 94 were about taking a nap

    • @amandacampos5575
      @amandacampos5575 Před 2 lety +12

      I've read somewhere that she worked writing wedding poems from the husband point of view, i don't know if it's true though

    • @KalinTheZola
      @KalinTheZola Před 2 lety +55

      I let loose my longing at least once a week

    • @Algo1
      @Algo1 Před 2 lety +33

      Like my Labour Law Professor who advocated for reinstating census suffrage.
      I almost dropped that course on the spot.

    • @diabolicaldebbie
      @diabolicaldebbie Před 2 lety +112

      As a Greek, I can tell you your professor is wrong. Most likely because they were homophobic. It is the acceptable norm to say that Sappho was a lesbian and she had regular lesbian parties on the Greek Island of Lesbos, which where the word 'lesbian' was originated from . The island also has a statue of Sappho. Homosexuality was considered normal back in ancient Greece.

    • @stoodmuffinpersonal3144
      @stoodmuffinpersonal3144 Před 2 lety +43

      It amazes me that people think that makes more sense, than. Her wanting to romance women.
      I mean, yeah. It could be. Maybe he's right. But, like. Is that more likely than her just. Liking women? Is it really?

  • @Aima952
    @Aima952 Před 2 lety +907

    The idea that queer historians were trolling the people who only bothered to read translations just tickles me so so much

    • @nevadag606
      @nevadag606 Před 2 lety +128

      “Penis from the Island of Men” what a wonderful name for a husband 🤣😭

    • @thumaido264
      @thumaido264 Před 2 lety +32

      @@nevadag606 ooh, is it french? (sarcasm)

    • @WillowTDog
      @WillowTDog Před 2 lety +45

      @@nevadag606 It just reminds me of a few lesbian couples I knew in college who named their favorite dildos and then referred to them by name as boyfriends. Which sounds super weird now, but this was the very early aughts, so most of them weren't out to the larger world yet.

    • @jumalAnni
      @jumalAnni Před 2 lety +4

      Sappho might have been a stock character in Attic comedy (that of a horny woman 🙄) and Kerkylas of Andros might have also originated from there.

    • @BrookeWaters-xu3ko
      @BrookeWaters-xu3ko Před 5 dny

      Maybe Lesbians are just normal woman from the Greek island of Lesbos 😊❤ it has nothing to do with their sexuality

  • @kristinelsenbeck3288
    @kristinelsenbeck3288 Před 2 lety +1127

    “I’m a lesbian, and sometimes we just eat toast.” I mean, I know most folks here are probably LGBTQ+ or allies (like myself). But damn sis, YES. ITS 👏 NOT 👏 ALL 👏 ABOUT 👏 SEX 👏

    • @Ravenesque
      @Ravenesque Před 2 lety +119

      **cheers you on in asexual!!**

    • @Andythenurse
      @Andythenurse Před 2 lety +42

      Be good to see two people frivolously eating toast though.

    • @ReptilianTeaDrinker
      @ReptilianTeaDrinker Před 2 lety +65

      As a lesbian myself, I love this. I am not a sexually active person and I feel annoyed when people assume all of us lesbians are super sexual people or something. It's infuriating. lol

    • @Haghenveien
      @Haghenveien Před 2 lety +11

      English is not my first languange, I wasn't sure that "eat toast" wasn't an euphemism for something sexual, tbh.

    • @milascave2
      @milascave2 Před 2 lety +10

      Kristan:: And. here I was thinking that "Eating toast" was what young folks are calling it these days.

  • @erinhowett3630
    @erinhowett3630 Před 2 lety +864

    I was recently in a Starbucks here in the Deep South and they had a Sappho quote on their board. Either a) they have no idea she was the original Super Lesbian, or b) they were actually allies and were telling the LGBTQA+ community in a way most people down here wouldn't notice if they didn't belong to the community.
    Either way, I loved it.

    • @RebekahSolWest
      @RebekahSolWest Před 2 lety +51

      That’s wonderful, I’m definitely hoping it’s the second!

    • @Angi3_6
      @Angi3_6 Před 2 lety +17

      What was the quote?

    • @erinhowett3630
      @erinhowett3630 Před 2 lety +53

      @@Angi3_6 I dont remember exactly but it was a really beautiful quote about her being away from her love and wanting to be with them again.

    • @Itcouldbebunnies
      @Itcouldbebunnies Před 2 lety +54

      @@erinhowett3630
      Was it something like this?
      "Come to me now thus, Goddess, and release me From distress and pain; and all my distracted Heart would seek, do thou, once again fulfilling, Still be my ally!"
      It's from the poem 'Ode to Aphrodite'. (Fun fact: Part of this poem was written by Willow on Tara's back in the Buffy episode 'Restless'.)

    • @heatherjones4034
      @heatherjones4034 Před 2 lety +29

      I hope it was code. We need more allies down here. Southwest for me but southern in ideology. 🧙🏻

  • @elleclegg2886
    @elleclegg2886 Před 2 lety +805

    "Calm down Victorian historians."
    The cry of non-male historians since 1910.

    • @savyjett
      @savyjett Před 2 lety +3

      Came here to say the equal. 😂😂😭😭

    • @snuggiesful
      @snuggiesful Před 2 lety +3

      What is does non-male mean? Are you referring to women?

    • @edcrichton9457
      @edcrichton9457 Před rokem

      Victorian historians had both very vivid and yet very limited imaginations. So many historic myths were created by lazy white male intellectuals.

  • @woodscommaelle4401
    @woodscommaelle4401 Před 2 lety +713

    It’s not Lesbian unless it comes from the Lesbos island of Greece, otherwise it’s just sparkling homosexuality

    • @beeb6730
      @beeb6730 Před 2 lety +21

      Perfect!!!

    • @westzed23
      @westzed23 Před 2 lety +14

      Marvelous. 🌴👸

    • @taylor-
      @taylor- Před 2 lety +4

      ++

    • @memmermiller
      @memmermiller Před 2 lety +5

      Underrated comment

    • @pookeywan
      @pookeywan Před 2 lety +9

      This kind of stuff is why I keep coming to the comments section of videos. You might just find comedy GOLD!!!!

  • @woodscommaelle4401
    @woodscommaelle4401 Před 2 lety +1905

    This ensemble is fantastic. Sappho would be proud 🥰

    • @jessicaoutofthecloset
      @jessicaoutofthecloset  Před 2 lety +210

      awnn thank you!

    • @rubigee4397
      @rubigee4397 Před 2 lety +10

      Agreed. Absolutely STUNNING

    • @erincarr9411
      @erincarr9411 Před 2 lety +9

      I swoon at this outfit and the goddess in it.

    • @alexandramaclachlan7597
      @alexandramaclachlan7597 Před 2 lety +6

      10/10 inspiration with this look Jess. I'm also a ginger with EDS, and I have been rather insecure about my decolletage until I saw you rocking this neckline ("Well, Jess is stunning, what's holding me back from enjoying a loose summery dress...").

    • @lakshantharindu3173
      @lakshantharindu3173 Před 2 lety +1

      Hi

  • @kriscormier9749
    @kriscormier9749 Před 2 lety +512

    "We're here! We're queer! We're historically-confirmed-to-have-been around-for-at-least-approximately-four-thousand-five-hundred-ish years!"
    Lovely video & outfit! 💜

    • @rarediseasepatient
      @rarediseasepatient Před 2 lety +8

      The outfit is everything. Really, fabulous history video, as usual, and I know that Jessica likes her look to belong to the 1950s repertoire, but THIS period-inspired look....THIS. IS. GORGEOUS on you, Jessica. I found it difficult to concentrate b/c I was staring at you so intensely.

    • @teehee4096
      @teehee4096 Před 6 měsíci +1

      Sappho lived 2600 years ago. Still a while ago for sure.

  • @sallyjordan4869
    @sallyjordan4869 Před 2 lety +428

    No one can wear a crown of golden laurel leaves like you, Jessica. 🎀💖🎀

    • @lindaf114
      @lindaf114 Před 2 lety +5

      This is accurate. I could never pull that off. She's gorgeous

    • @Rose-yx6jq
      @Rose-yx6jq Před 7 měsíci +1

      I love the crown.

  • @crystal95405
    @crystal95405 Před 2 lety +203

    I would love to see one on Alan Turing how was know for his Turing machine and played a crucial role in cracking coded messages from the axis power and is considered the father of the modern computer.

    • @chadfalardeau5396
      @chadfalardeau5396 Před 2 lety +39

      His genius was ignored for decades just because he was gay, which was a terrible injustice

    • @crystal95405
      @crystal95405 Před 2 lety +24

      @@chadfalardeau5396 I know, he was treated horrible and was forced to undergo chemical castration because he was gay.

    • @16poetisa
      @16poetisa Před 2 lety +6

      And that terrible movie too...

  • @ZoeVictorias
    @ZoeVictorias Před 2 lety +53

    "I'm a lesbian, and sometimes we just eat toast" is a phenomenal statement! I may have to get that on a mug 😂

  • @LynxChan
    @LynxChan Před 2 lety +126

    "That is a niche that honestly....ticks my boxes"
    MRS. Kellgren-Fozard, such bold language! 😂

  • @ritajadil7933
    @ritajadil7933 Před 2 lety +84

    Jessica: proof that homosexuality is as old as legends
    Sappho from up above: I'm proud of you my fellow sapphic woman now I could rest at peace

  • @archontiamanolakelli
    @archontiamanolakelli Před 2 lety +75

    As someone who comes from the island of Lesbos, this video makes me really happy. :D I make a point to talk about this whenever there is an opportunity (usually when I introduce myself for the first time, it becomes a talking point) because even though I am not part of the LGBTQ+ community, I think it is really important to highlight parts of history that are often overlooked or intentionally erased in mainstream education. To this day, I am yet to find someone who knows about Sappho or how the term Lesbian came to be; I will be pointing them to your video from now on also. Love your work!

  • @laurenconrad1799
    @laurenconrad1799 Před 2 lety +243

    Ah, the history books that list roommates. Tale as old as time. Reminds me of when I was ten and my parents finally told me, yeah, Robin is not Grandma's roommate. lol. (They got married in 2011 so yay!)

  • @ZyllasAthenaeum
    @ZyllasAthenaeum Před 2 lety +262

    Lovely video, and lovely costume! Thank you for talking about Sappho; it warms my scholarly heart.
    Sappho's poetry was actually my dissertation focus, and I've spent FAR too much time detangling silly myths about her. I feel inspired to do a deep dive on my own channel now!
    Suffice to say, YES she loved other women, and NO she likely didn't ever meet Alcaeus or actually know a boatman named Phaon. We don't even have real evidence for her 'circle' except that she seems to have had a lot of female friends, which, would be kinda normal?
    Also, Erinna was a fellow female poet from a similar time who wrote didactic epic rather than lyric poetry. No evidence they knew each other, either, but HUZZAH for ancient poetesses!

    • @sarahk8053
      @sarahk8053 Před 2 lety +10

      Awesome! I was a bit confused about the whole circle thing too. Couldn't find any primary source for it.

  • @naynerboppers5254
    @naynerboppers5254 Před 2 lety +98

    I genuinely believe that if you created videos on the historical topics/periods/places/etc that are taught in high schools and college, the world would learn and retain far more than ever before.
    I am so happy for your and Claud's growing family and hope you are adjusting as best as you possibly can to parenthood. You both are amazing mothers and I hope you both never doubt that!

  • @kyivstuff
    @kyivstuff Před 2 lety +63

    Quora says: “The epithet ioplókamos “violet-tressed”, e.g. having hair of a dark colour, is applied to the Muses.” [edit:] After further research I found that “violet” was also used for describing breasts, and possibly meant “smelling like violets”. So it seems more logical to me that hair and breasts both would be described as smelling like violets, rather than describing color. Or maybe, like Pat The Plant wrote below, it described flower adornments for heads and chests.

    • @pattheplanter
      @pattheplanter Před 2 lety +12

      The plokamos ending also means wreathed or chapletted, that is, having garlands of flowers in the hair. Not sure about the authenticity of the dark-haired interpretation. Sappho mentioned in her poetry wearing violet crowns (στέφανοι ἴων) with a dear gal pal and Alceus was almost certainly referencing that. The Muses clearly also liked a few flowers in their hair.

    • @kyivstuff
      @kyivstuff Před 2 lety +6

      @@pattheplanter After further research I also found that “violet” was also used by Sappho for describing Muses’ breasts, and possibly meant “smelling like violets”. So it seems more logical to me that hair and breasts both would be described as smelling like violets, or like you said - adorned with them.

    • @pattheplanter
      @pattheplanter Před 2 lety +6

      @@kyivstuff Fragment 58, yes. iokolpos has several possible meanings, Sappho was, perhaps, being very naughty with that one. Breasts, lap, folds of clothing or ... look kolpos up in Liddell and Scott at Perseus. Though that sense may be later.

  • @tanwencooper6928
    @tanwencooper6928 Před 2 lety +49

    Oh my god! I have that olive branch tiara too! I wear it around the house and it makes life 100 times more fabulous.

  • @michellemurphy403
    @michellemurphy403 Před 2 lety +15

    As a straight, cis black woman i really like your series...it's interesting, entertaining and well researched.

  • @claudiadarling9441
    @claudiadarling9441 Před 2 lety +26

    FYI, Natalie Barney wasn't an orphan. She inherited her fortune after her father died, but her mother Alice, and sister Laura, lived on. They're both fascinating in their own right. Alice was a painter for instance, and used Natalie as a model for Lucifer. There's a great book about Natalie her sapphic circle called "Wild Heart" by Suzanne Rodriguez.

  • @WandaMay22
    @WandaMay22 Před 2 lety +33

    For my LGBT choir's 20th anniversary we ran a composition competition to increase the amount of LGBT specific choral pieces and the winner was Three Songs of Sappho by Nicholas Tristan. Three of Sappho's poems set to music. It was challenging to learn, but a joy to sing. For some of our younger members this was the first time that they had heard of Sappho. There is a recording on CZcams if anyone is interested in hearing it.

  • @malvinaghidetti3414
    @malvinaghidetti3414 Před 2 lety +73

    I just came back from my cousin’s presentation of his poetry book about his coming out, and he talked about Sappho too, so this video is fitting in perfectly in my day 💕

    • @millies2788
      @millies2788 Před 2 lety +11

      Awww good for him! Maybe in the future his poetry will be historically important to LGBTQ people

    • @malvinaghidetti3414
      @malvinaghidetti3414 Před 2 lety +6

      @@millies2788 that's so sweet, thank you! I really hope so

  • @AetherHelios
    @AetherHelios Před 2 lety +42

    I heard that "violet" was also a poetic way to describe black/dark colored! im not sure though

    • @lefthanddontknow673
      @lefthanddontknow673 Před 2 lety +5

      lol I just commented about this then scrolled down and saw your comment XD Violet was a word for blue way back when, so violet hair was indeed a descriptor for someone with blue-black hair, which would shine with that distinctive violet edge in sunlight!

  • @sophbilliex2232
    @sophbilliex2232 Před 2 lety +35

    i did a whole presentation this year on sappho for my interview for teacher training course and i truly think it’s down to her. lesbians keep winning 💞

  • @kat_kami
    @kat_kami Před 2 lety +41

    Ancient Greeks actually perceived colour differently from us. The most known example on record is Homer describing the colour of the sea as the colour of good aged wine. So, when Alcaeus said that Sappho had violet hair he probably meant something closer to burgundy or dark brown/black.

    • @sedona3663
      @sedona3663 Před 2 lety +2

      do you have sources for this? Because if so that is super fascinating.

    • @kat_kami
      @kat_kami Před 2 lety +11

      @@sedona3663 I'm Greek so I've been taught about that in high school (we learn Ancient Greek actually) but it's been a few years.
      I've also read a very detailed article by a Classics professor:
      Can we Hope to understand how the Ancient Greeks saw the world? | Aeon Essays
      I've found these videos quite informative as well:
      Were the Greeks colourblind? - by Ancient Greece Revised
      Why the Ancient Greeks Couldn't See Blue - by ASAPscience
      Sorry I couldn't use the links, CZcams didn't like that! I hope that helps 😊

    • @e.8977
      @e.8977 Před 2 lety

      @@kat_kami I also remember that Homer’s phrase “black earth”. Is this term still used in modern Greek?

    • @kat_kami
      @kat_kami Před 2 lety +2

      @@e.8977 I am not sure about that one but we still use a lot of homeric expressions in modern Greek like "αιέν αριστεύειν" which means 'forever/always excelling', or "άνοιξαν οι ασκοί του Αιόλου" which literally means "the bags of Aeolus have opened" which can be translated as 'all hell broke loose' and of course the one's that exist in English as well, e.g "Trojan horse" (Δούρειος Ίππος), "siren's call" (ήχησαν οι Σειρήνες) and "Achilles' heel" (Αχίλλειος πτέρνα) and many others. Some of them have even retained their ancient Greek form and syntax and acquired and idiomatic quality like "Αιέν αριστεύειν" or "Έπεα πτερόεντα" ( which means something close to 'spoken words fly away, writing stays forever', equivalent to verba volant, scripta manent).
      I don't know if that's helpful, but I hope it puts it into perspective... Sorry for the long comment!

    • @RosesAndIvy
      @RosesAndIvy Před 2 lety +1

      I don't think they perceived colors differently, they just named the colours differently. Colours are on a spectrum, so the way they are categorized differs per culture. There is still some debate on whether or not that means they perceive colours differently (i.e. linguistic determinism).

  • @SamyTheBookWorm
    @SamyTheBookWorm Před 2 lety +132

    Actually it was pretty common in Ancient Greece for women to completely expose their breasts in hot weather. We’ve got evidence of some dresses specifically designed without any chest covering, presumably meant to be for those days when your boobs become a sweat factory (at least those of us with larger breasts). Total Nudity was also fairly common in certain contexts, like public bathing and swimming.

    • @elektrakomplexet
      @elektrakomplexet Před 2 lety +5

      Hm, that's something new. Female nudity was considered shameful and immoral by the ancient greeks up until roman times. Even when exercising women would not be fully nude and would never let men see them because of this. Do you have any source for this?

    • @duceagle6625
      @duceagle6625 Před 2 lety +24

      @@elektrakomplexet Greek women also tended not to spend a whole lotta time in mixed company, depending on their social status and city. They might have been boobs out in the women's quarters.

    • @miglek9613
      @miglek9613 Před 2 lety +12

      @@elektrakomplexet are minoans considered to be greeks? If yes, in some points in history (early minoan period specifically) women were not only allowed but possibly even expected to keep their breasts exposed at all times, hence why there are so many statues and images of women wearing floor length dresses with fully exposed breasts from the time period

    • @elektrakomplexet
      @elektrakomplexet Před 2 lety +3

      @@miglek9613 Minoans are not considered to be Greeks. They predate Ancient Greece and had a completely different culture. They are not indo-european but Greeks are.

    • @salemsaberhagan
      @salemsaberhagan Před 2 lety +11

      @@elektrakomplexet "not letting men see them" has no bearing on the acceptability of nudity in general. That brings a potential sexual aspect into the picture. India for example had comparable climate, light fabrics & flowing robes, & the majority of ancient sculptures leave nothing to the imagination except the genitals, but literature shows that clothes were being worn. People were just less uptight about letting everything air out, to the extent that colonizers called the native women sluts for not covering their breasts in the summer heat while the white men sweated in multiple layers of suits. Even today, you'll frequently find women & men sitting around exposing themselves to the air in private with friends & family, but they will quickly cover up when public decency demands it. The hot & sultry weather has that effect.

  • @sheilarough236
    @sheilarough236 Před 2 lety +35

    Don’t worry about butchering the pronunciations of the names. You’re doing much better than I would and I don’t have a hearing disability. Love your outfits

  • @boredgrass
    @boredgrass Před 2 lety +43

    The way you give literally voice to people in history, makes their stories matter! Before our eyes you bring them to life in such a compelling way that they matter personally! What a joy to watch this intellectual firework!

  • @katwitanruna
    @katwitanruna Před 2 lety +50

    I started playing June’s Journey because of you! I’m at level 155 now!

    • @SallyMom4009
      @SallyMom4009 Před 2 lety +1

      I play everyday on an awesome team!

  • @Noel.Chmielowiec
    @Noel.Chmielowiec Před 2 lety +57

    This dress is making you look fabulous! I absolutely love how sassy you are when you're tired 😂
    EDIT: as a pansexual woman married to a man I can put my two hands up, why the default couldn't be any other sexuality, was there someone who decided that? May I have a second to talk with their ghost? It will be peaceful. Or maybe not.

    • @ixykix
      @ixykix Před 2 lety +5

      agreed! (another pan married to a man)

    • @missnaomi613
      @missnaomi613 Před 2 lety +5

      I had a vague awareness, long before realizing that I'm bi, that being not 100% heterosexual was probably the actual norm. (I'm very into science fiction, and it's a detail that has casually come up in more stories than I can count. And some of the best science fiction writers have been actual scientists! I knew this before learning about straight-washing of history.)

  • @jerrihadding2534
    @jerrihadding2534 Před 2 lety +51

    Jessica, this video warms my heart and soul! Sappho has been one of my guiding lights since I finally understood that I am bisexual and your so non-judgmental, engaging histories are always a gift!

  • @alisakomendova3514
    @alisakomendova3514 Před 2 lety +30

    Regarding the whole AD/BC - CE/BCE:
    1) I recently had to google it cuz I was utterly confused
    2) In my native language (Czech) we simply call it "before/after our counting of time" and I really appreciate that now :D

    • @Marskilius
      @Marskilius Před 2 lety +10

      Same here in Finland. Just keep it simple folks 😆

    • @AV-we6wo
      @AV-we6wo Před 2 lety +3

      We have the same expression in Germany 'vor/nach Beginn der Zeitrechnung', but I think the more popular phrase is 'vor/nach Christus', generally abbreviated v.Chr./n.Chr., so you would see e.g. 100 v.Chr. / 100 n.Chr.

    • @alisakomendova3514
      @alisakomendova3514 Před 2 lety +3

      @@Marskilius still to this day, after almost 15 years of living in Finland, I'm amazed how many things we say the same way :D

    • @alisakomendova3514
      @alisakomendova3514 Před 2 lety

      @@AV-we6wo Considering how much German language influenced Czech, this doesn't surprise me at all. 👍

    • @kolmkilpkonna
      @kolmkilpkonna Před 2 lety +2

      @@Marskilius Same for Estonia, the before/after Crist has been used in the past and I guess still in religious texts but nowhere else now...

  • @izzylove8252
    @izzylove8252 Před 2 lety +55

    Ooh I’d been hoping to learn more about Sappho so this video is perfect!

  • @SexiestPenguin
    @SexiestPenguin Před 2 lety +17

    "Sappho and Alcaeus" she just looks really focused on his poetry. Which fellow artists tend to do when listening to a performance.

  • @tanya292
    @tanya292 Před 2 lety +26

    You look so pretty, it’s insane.

  • @Kottetota
    @Kottetota Před 2 lety +56

    Jessica is an ABSOLUTE GODDESS! STUNNING! BEAUTIFUL! 💖

  • @bchpls24
    @bchpls24 Před 2 lety +49

    just broke up with my gf. watching this kinda helps to get her off my mind..

    • @ashwee9053
      @ashwee9053 Před 2 lety +9

      Oof, we've all been there. Things will get better rather soon!

    • @RebekahSolWest
      @RebekahSolWest Před 2 lety +3

      Hope you feel better soon

    • @DieAlteistwiederda
      @DieAlteistwiederda Před 2 lety +3

      I'm sorry and hope you are still doing well all things considered. Do some self care but also let yourself feel whatever you need to feel right now.

    • @RebekahSolWest
      @RebekahSolWest Před 2 lety +2

      @@DieAlteistwiederda wonderfully stated

    • @jerrihadding2534
      @jerrihadding2534 Před 2 lety +2

      Sending you loving hugs!

  • @kermitdafrog444
    @kermitdafrog444 Před 2 lety +17

    I studied classics and loved this video. I've had teachers tell the class "she's not really a lesbian" and it pisses me off. It's because they studied when the fake husband script was the prominent theory

  • @YuliaAstrea
    @YuliaAstrea Před 2 lety +25

    This is the video all the wlw have been waiting for!

  • @gaynoradams3596
    @gaynoradams3596 Před 2 lety +31

    I love your story telling Jessica. Especially when it is "Salty". Great story.

  • @complainer406
    @complainer406 Před 2 lety +87

    "Sapphist" sounds like it could be used to mean the same thing as "WLW": women who are attracted to women but aren't necessarily lesbians (e.g. bi/pan women are included too).
    It sounds like it could even be more inclusive of femme nb folks who don't consider themselves women.
    I like it!

    • @AetherHelios
      @AetherHelios Před 2 lety +29

      Sapphic is already used in a similar fashion as well !

    • @complainer406
      @complainer406 Před 2 lety +21

      @@AetherHelios I've heard sapphic as an adjective that way, sapphist fills the niche of a noun with that meaning!

    • @AetherHelios
      @AetherHelios Před 2 lety +3

      @@complainer406 nice!

    • @chadfalardeau5396
      @chadfalardeau5396 Před 2 lety +3

      It was a common term in the late 19th and early 20th century

  • @skeletoninadress
    @skeletoninadress Před 2 lety +17

    The amount of work you do despite your chronic fatigue is incredible, thank you for another fantastic video!

  • @selincaka2088
    @selincaka2088 Před 2 lety +127

    I don't know if it's the prime Sappho exposure, or if really is just the incredible cut of that dress, but my heterosexuality has been compromised.
    I've also proven one can listen to, respect, and learn from a beautiful woman WHILST objectifying her somewhat. Men really do need to get better at multitasking.

    • @melissam8939
      @melissam8939 Před 2 lety +28

      "My heterosexuality has been compromised." Lolol--same. I can only assume Claudia jumped her bones as soon as filming was ended. I love all of Jessica's looks, but this is life

    • @squeerrel-j
      @squeerrel-j Před 2 lety +19

      ...you don't have to objectify someone to admire their looks or sex appeal

    • @ReptilianTeaDrinker
      @ReptilianTeaDrinker Před 2 lety +4

      @@squeerrel-j True.

    • @selincaka2088
      @selincaka2088 Před 2 lety +4

      @@squeerrel-j Fair. That is fair.

    • @mellie4174
      @mellie4174 Před 2 lety +5

      @@squeerrel-j yes! This is what men have never understood a person can be simultaneously sexy and smart. Women don't have to be reduced down only to thier sex appeal and the gratification that men get from that. This is the definition objectification- making someone's value be only in the sexual pleasure you can take from them. Clearly if you are learning from her and value that about her in addition to admiring her sexyness you are not objectifying her, at least not to my mind. And i wish mysogenistic individuals could learn that a woman is defined by more than her vagina or lack of one ( depending on if a trans woman has had surgery or not) and the sex that someone can have with it! Hello mysogenists we're more than just genitals!

  • @gozerthegozarian9500
    @gozerthegozarian9500 Před 2 lety +8

    The bit about "purple hair" probably means that her hair was that kind of black that has a blue-ish shimmer. The ancient Greeks were a bit weird when it comes to describing colours, there are references in old texts to the "wine-coloured" sea... 🤷‍♀️

  • @therearetwols
    @therearetwols Před 2 lety +15

    Jessica looks so flawless and regal in this video and I LOVE it

  • @raccoontrashpanda1467
    @raccoontrashpanda1467 Před 2 lety +14

    The words used for colours have changed meaning a lot over time and between cultures. Homer wrote of a "wine dark sea", the sea wasn't really the colour of wine, that was just what they called it.

  • @Rithene
    @Rithene Před 2 lety +31

    Fun fact tho, while Sappho was almost definitely a lesbian, "sapphic/sapphist" can be used to describe any woman who loves other women--gay, bi, pan, etc.

    • @nicokelly6453
      @nicokelly6453 Před 2 lety +8

      not so sure if you can say Sappho was almost definitely a lesbian, since there is plenty of debate on her being bisexual, and the term lesbian didn't use to be as strictly "exclusive attraction to women" as it is in current English, but she was pretty definitely attracted to women.

    • @elektrakomplexet
      @elektrakomplexet Před 2 lety +5

      @@nicokelly6453 This. We should also not apply modern dichotomies onto ancient people since they would've probably not even considered identifying by their sexuality.

    • @ragnkja
      @ragnkja Před rokem

      While she might have “almost certainly” been a lesbian (lowercase L), she was definitely a Lesbian (uppercase L).

  • @siiri8902
    @siiri8902 Před 2 lety +3

    These historical profiles are probably my favorite content from you! Super interesting every time!

  • @dracawyn
    @dracawyn Před 2 lety

    I WHOLEHEARTEDLY support the decision to throw beautiful costume elements into your historical profile videos! ♥️♥️♥️♥️

  • @beepbeep-m6m
    @beepbeep-m6m Před 2 lety +10

    This look is EVERYTHING. I'm so excited for you to cover this topic!!

  • @katschen19
    @katschen19 Před 2 lety +3

    Goodness I love this video. The dress, the sass, the different camera angles! Beautifully made Jessica!

  • @Auburnleavesfall
    @Auburnleavesfall Před 2 lety +5

    I'll know I've reached the peak of my transition when I can throw on an ancient Greek inspired gown and sprawl myself upon a piece of long furniture as elegantly as you can Jessica ♥️

  • @artemisiasage520
    @artemisiasage520 Před 2 lety +6

    Um, can we just appreciate how good Jessica looks here?

  • @robyn2124
    @robyn2124 Před 2 lety +2

    Yes! I’ve been waiting for this one and boy it was well worth the wait, I love the sarcasm laced throughout, definitely brightened my week. Thank you and all hail Sappho!

  • @JuMixBoox
    @JuMixBoox Před 2 lety +6

    Yesterday was a bit stressful for me and I can't believe I missed this perfect sounding video! I have been excited since you shared this costume and headpiece on Instagram.

  • @emilijaperic341
    @emilijaperic341 Před 2 lety +22

    I love this series soooo much!

  • @katrinka9781
    @katrinka9781 Před rokem +1

    Your Sappho costume is absolutely delightful! That crown is just *chief kiss*

  • @leahaurie-hontas4464
    @leahaurie-hontas4464 Před 2 lety +1

    your hair are SO PRETTY !!!! Thank you so much for this video !

  • @artsyebonyrose
    @artsyebonyrose Před 2 lety +3

    AHHH YESSS I'VE WANTED YOU TO DO A VIDEO ON SAPPHO FOR SO LONG!!! :D I'm incredibly interested in her, it's one of my hyperfixations, and your historical profile videos always fill me with so much excitement and glee, so this combination is literally perfection for me!!

  • @manuelamejiaarenas4960
    @manuelamejiaarenas4960 Před 2 lety +3

    your channel is the best channel on youtube i swear!! thank you for all the care you put into these videos 💕 sending love to you and your family

  • @HannaH-lm4cy
    @HannaH-lm4cy Před 2 lety +1

    Your channel is where I go when I'm feeling down. Thank you for this amazing content!

  • @stephaniehackney6743
    @stephaniehackney6743 Před 2 lety +2

    I loved EVERYTHING about this video!!!! The message, the outfit, just everything!!!!

  • @ErikaDraeug
    @ErikaDraeug Před 2 lety +14

    I'm so in love with this dress!
    Thank you, I learned a lot about Sappho!

  • @erinzimmerman7953
    @erinzimmerman7953 Před 2 lety +8

    The vibe when you say "Do we care?" is impeccable. I also love your diadem (tiara?), hair, and dress!

  • @Smoochxo8
    @Smoochxo8 Před 2 lety +2

    the most beautiful, smooth, soft, sapphic video ever! seriously, Jessica, you did IT! much love

  • @simongaudin2506
    @simongaudin2506 Před 2 lety +3

    Great to see you back

  • @marikotrue3488
    @marikotrue3488 Před 2 lety +5

    I love these history lessons, so much more interesting than class ever was. The extra touch of dressing to the style of the era/person being discussed just makes it more fun. I used to sleep in world history class (back row end seat), probably a mistake then but I am awake now!

  • @LiviLaree
    @LiviLaree Před 2 lety +7

    Loved this video ^-^ Highly recommend the book Sapphistries for anyone interested in delving more into this topic and also a history of love between women.

  • @Kindofalot
    @Kindofalot Před 2 lety

    I thoroughly enjoyed this😊 The pictures, the history, the comments, your outfit. It was all SO GOOD! I learned a lot, thank you.
    Also, congrats on the award that you won! Well deserved!

  • @heatherlee2967
    @heatherlee2967 Před 2 lety +1

    The dress! That lipstick color! Your crown! This whole outfit and video overall was perfectttt

  • @orangeflyingrose
    @orangeflyingrose Před 2 lety +15

    Absolutely love the hair and tiara and love the dress and the whole ensemble is just FABULOUS 👌

  • @omiai
    @omiai Před 2 lety +5

    first thought 'holy crap! Jessica looks absolutely stunning!' i mean, she always does, but she just looks...even more amazing today! you are just so beautiful! thank you for the wonderful videos and gorgeous style!

  • @cheesecakelasagna
    @cheesecakelasagna Před 2 lety +2

    I'm super in love with Jessica's look in this video! The hair, dress, accesories, and everything! Reawakened my Greek mythology phase.

  • @sabsupsub
    @sabsupsub Před 2 lety +7

    your greek muse inspired getup is absolutely gorgeous jessica omg and im learning so much toooo love your vids!!!

  • @manumachado08
    @manumachado08 Před 2 lety +4

    This is ㅡ by far ㅡ one of the most entertaining videos I've ever seen. Thanks, Jessica! I'm a big fan. ♡

  • @cheesecakelasagna
    @cheesecakelasagna Před 2 lety +5

    15:43 This might be the first time I've ever witness Jessica and anime in the same context. I love it!
    Also, "stonk" at 17:30!

  • @elisabetta611
    @elisabetta611 Před 2 lety +2

    Lovely as always, Jessica!! And that Greek ATTIRE suits you SO well, I am truly stunned. Your loveliness grows with every video, my dear!

  • @LS-vq2or
    @LS-vq2or Před 2 lety

    I'm pausing the video to say YOU LOOK ABSOLUTELY FREAKING GORGEOUS this dress with your hair color and the crown perfection chef kiss ethereal queen

  • @MichelleTendy
    @MichelleTendy Před 2 lety +3

    Omg finally, Ive been waiting for this historical profile!!

  • @nunya2046
    @nunya2046 Před 2 lety +5

    Lol I am never disappointed nor can I get enough of Jessica’s energy and informatively positive spirit 😂❤️🥰❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️😍🤩

  • @sara.1492
    @sara.1492 Před 2 lety

    It had so much more content then anticipated. I enjoyed it.

  • @christinakyleloves
    @christinakyleloves Před 2 lety +1

    I HAVE BEEN PLAYING JUNE'S JOURNEY FOR 4 YEARS!! GLAD WE SHARE THAT!!

  • @random23287
    @random23287 Před 2 lety +3

    So excited to watch this ♥

  • @molk7447
    @molk7447 Před 2 lety +3

    I needed this. Comphet has been wearing me down. I genuinely was starting to question my identity again for no real reason except lack of rep in my life.

  • @authorcathrineswift
    @authorcathrineswift Před 2 lety +2

    I’m not crying, you’re crying. Well done. 💕

  • @alecburrett7482
    @alecburrett7482 Před 2 lety +45

    That bit about her having purple hair, it is possible she just dyed it. But given that at that time purple dye came from crushed snails and was stupidity expensive, it would make her net wealth in today's money in the tens of billions.

  • @nadiakukartseva1072
    @nadiakukartseva1072 Před 2 lety +3

    Thank you so much for this amazing video❤️

  • @someonee5084
    @someonee5084 Před 2 lety

    The hair style and crown are just too perfect.

  • @Liza-km5bz
    @Liza-km5bz Před 2 lety +1

    you look absolutely gorgeous in that dress !! 💕💕

  • @westzed23
    @westzed23 Před 2 lety +4

    I humbly ask that you do more presentations of these matters of history. Love the costume and the poetry.👸

  • @AllyYoko
    @AllyYoko Před 2 lety +11

    i can't wait for historians to find this CZcams channel
    Jessica: Here is my loving wife, who I love romantically in a lesbian way, and our son, who we raise together as a lesbian couple.
    historians: Aww so glad this heterosexual woman found a girlpal roommate to help raise her child after her husband, Karl, unfortunately died before both finally found new husbands, also both named Karl.

  • @miriamlevenson9430
    @miriamlevenson9430 Před 3 dny

    this look is SO gorgeous on you!!!

  • @raeannuria5691
    @raeannuria5691 Před 2 lety

    Your pronunciation was spot on! This vid is brilliant and beautiful just like you! Thank You!

  • @jaynejohnson578
    @jaynejohnson578 Před 2 lety +3

    Yay! I'm so excited about this one. I did a presentation about Sappho in my humanities class back in high school. :D

  • @thatonetrumpet205
    @thatonetrumpet205 Před 2 lety +4

    i love the educational videos!!! can’t wait to watch