What if Tigestar would have never been born?
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- čas přidán 29. 12. 2022
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It's been a long time since I last uploaded a video and I hope you will enjoy it.
I've seen many videos like what if Firestar never came to the forest, and I'm surprised that no one has thought of doing something similar with Tigerstar yet. If you have any questions, don't be afraid to ask me in the comments!
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Wow I never really imagined what it would be like without Tigerstar, but this all seems logical ngl.
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Yea, but the Three would have also not existed
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0:26 Actually, Redtail wouldn’t have become Redstar. Redtail would technically most likely still be dead because Tigerstar saved Redtail from a hawk when Red was an apprentice. Now whether or not Redtail would’ve survived the attack is a different question.
Oh really?
@@whitefur123 yeah in redtail’s book he actually idolized tiger claw and was friends with him, which made it easier for tiger claw to kill him
Honest to God, I don't count Redtail's debt as canon.
At around the end, it said that Redtail killed Oakheart when actually, Oakheart got smashed (😏😏) by a bunch of rocks.
@@MurphyCotton2009 it's still cannon though. just because in your opinion its not doesnt make it factually noncannonical. and that's only a mistake lol
I think another warrior would’ve saved him
This is proof that everything, good or bad, has an important part in history
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A few things, there is still a chance that Rusty would’ve came to the clan, because they were still low on warriors. A smaller chance but still a possibility. Also, they might’ve just sent different cats to discover the new home. These are possibilities by the way, and I’m not trying to show hate, I just wanted to point out a few things.
Lionheart was pretty hesitant, so I doubt Rusty would be let into the Clan
@@kirumi-tojo the " Fire alone will save our clan" originally referred to Brokenstar. Firepaw wasn’t necessarily NEEDED for the attack, but he did still do a lot.
Fun fact: We dont know if Redtail would have survived or not. Maybe he would have been killed in ShadowClan’s attack.
Wow villians have such an important role
Actually I thinkStarClan would’ve chosen different cats so the lake still would’ve happened. And a different cat other than Cinder becomes medicine cat, so graystripe’s kits live still.
For Tigerclaw to not exist, he would die as a kit with his siblings. Still sad, but it’s a happier ending for him, and the Clans.
Pinestar wouldn’t have left TC to be a kittypet and Sunstar would get 8 lives, throwing off the leader timeline even more for Pinestar living out all his lives and Sun getting another whole life.
When Tiger saves redpaw from the hawk, I think a different cat would help instead. I can’t remember if they were alone or on a patrol, but if the were alone, nobody is going to send an apprentice out alone and if they were on a patrol, a different cat from the patrol would step in.
Also I think firepaw would’ve still joined since Bluestar let him in cause they were low on cats and needed extra paws but he would’ve never become a legend or became leader, because red tail would be leader, but would become leader much later because Bluestar would’ve died a little later. I doubt redstar would choose fire as deputy in this scenario either, because I feel like fire got to become deputy for stopping tiger. I think he’d choose whitestorm but I won’t make any assumptions. WindClan is still driven out. So, perhaps fire has the chance to because of driving out broken star and bringing back WC. But I am going to assume not because redtail is alive and still deputy. Dark stripe never becomes evil, the sickness in ShadowClan wipes out more cats after Tigerstar would’ve been exiled because his rogue group brought ShadowClan prey when the clan was sick. However Nightpelt/star is granted his nine lives and doesn’t succumb to the sickness. I think Blackstar is still chosen as the next leader. As far as leopardstar’s character, she is just another random leader with no significance to the plot. I also think firestar would possibly have a different name because he is named “Fire” after the prophecy. He’d still have the suffix heart, though, bc Bluestar may have named him fireHEART after oakHEART. Battle against blood clan never happens, whitestorm is still alive, lionheart is still alive, Swiftpaw too and brightheart keeps her face, Bluestar is never killed by the dog pack, etc.
I think The New Prophecy arc would be the same but replace Bramble with a different cat. Squirrelflight and Leafpool are probably still born. Leaf likely is still a med cat, and Squirrel likely would be mates with Ashfur, considering she only really left him because she liked Bramble more. firestar (except not leader and likely a different prefix) never gets caught in the fox trap because Sasha dies before having her kits, their father is literally nonexistent now so even if Sasha survived they wouldn’t be born, and ashfur has no reason to help hawk set up the trap if hawk somehow existed anyways. I imagine The (original) Three are still born (jay Lion and holly) because Leaf and Crow still meet at the badger incident and run off together then come back. Squirrel raises them with Ash instead of Bramble, the fire scene never happens and it is never revealed the three are leaf’s kits, holly leaf never runs away and meets fallen leaves and lives a long life to the elder’s den assuming something else doesn’t kill her because hawk frost killed her. And the three (jay Lion and dove) never get their powers because Tigerstar is not there to organize the Great Battle so manny many many MANY cats don’t die! Holly leaf also never kills ashfur. The authors must find a different way to kill FernCloud though because the Erin’s decided she would die because the fans hated her. Since so many cats end up not dying new kits that don’t exist are born. Ivy never trains in the DF because 1. Hawk frost brought her there 2. Tigerstar told hawk to bring her there. Assuming she still becomes mates with fernsong, bristle is born along with her siblings.
AVoS happens as normal with the rogues in ShadowClan.
Let’s make an educated guess and say Cloudtail still joins TC, because I think Fireheart would still visit his sister. He might not be mates with brightheart, because cloud never has to help her overcome her insecurities. She is not half-blind and might be mates with Swiftpaw, since he lives. Except Swift and Bright are first cousins…so assuming the Erin’s are aware and learn from graystripe, they don’t become mates and Brightheart mates with Cloudtail. So we can make the assumption dove is still born, because she is their descendant. Maybe she becomes mates with bumble stripe? Since there is no competition from tiger heart.
Bristlefrost, rootspring, and shadowsight are never #traumatized by ashfur since he’s still living and not straight up crazy and no bramblestar to possess. Also shadowsight does not exist and dovewing never joins ShadowClan. At this point redstar is dead, but who knows, really. He could still be alive since Tigerstar never existed and there are less threats meaning less lives to lose. Squirrelflight might never have become deputy, though since there’s a big possibility bramblestar chose his mate as his deputy on purpose and there is definitely more hatred towards kitty pets in the clans and their descendants because firestar never became a legend (and also doesn’t die in the battle) making her chances of being deputy even lower. Bristlefrost never dies, and she and rootspring still would’ve met. Tree would still have joined SkC and SkC still would have been brought back by Twig. As a result of ashfur never becoming a villain, the warrior code is never reworked! I think root and bristle may still have become mates, because finleap still left SkC for Twig before the code was even changed. They probably would’ve had the kits bristle was hallucinating before she died, and all the scenes she hallucinated may have been real memories. As for the current arc, A Starless Clan, Stonefur doesn't die and he goes on to become Stonestar, presumably. But say the authors still decide to go with the storyline they chose, so he dies instead of Misty and so does the deputy. But the medicine cat would not be mothwing. Frostpaw would have a new mentor who can communicate with StarClan, so they would be able to choose a new leader more quickly and that issue is solved. It’s easy to tell that frostpaw is just not capable of choosing a new leader on her own and mothwing just refuses to help her pick a cat bc she can't speak to Starclan. So the different cat probably will pick one way faster having direct communication with StarClan and the ability to translate their messages better. The reason I think they still don’t have one is because with frost being the only med cat able to talk to StarClan in RC and she is grieving and still an app, if there is a different med able to talk to StarClan they can make the decision better than mothwing can. Flamepaw/nightheart doesn’t exist because spark alder dandelion and juniper can’t be born, instead squirrel might not have any kits because the three’s real parents are never revealed. Sunbeam becomes boring background character because lightleap doesn’t exist and neither does Nightheart. She definitely could eventually become mates with Blazefire, but it’s not a guarantee.
So…, I know it’s long, but that’s my take on it :) sorry if the RiverClan leader stuff is wrong because I haven’t read shadow yet, I’m still on Sky!
Didnt they pass the lake like u Said? Also Rusty was the leader i think.
Just one little detail, Stonefur would have lived and probably would have become Stonestar and I’m guessing he would have made Mistystar his deputy but I don’t think she would live to be leader.
@@snowleaf oh yes ofc!
Another detail: Rusty/Firepaw wouldn’t have lost his collar because Longtail wouldn’t have attacked him because with Darkstripe being his mentor darkstripe wasn’t influenced by Tigerclaw/star so Darkstripe wouldn’t be evil and Tigerclaw wouldn’t be there so Longtail wouldn’t want to prove himself to Tigerclaw and Darkstripe
@@WildHockey77 i think after some wear and tear over a few days outside it would come off
I'm pretty sure that Firestar still would have gone into the woods to complete the Skyclan prophecy and to begin the Power of three prophecy.
And Starclan would just send another group of cats to find the lake
wait why would rusty not have joined the clan?
Surely he would still feel the need to go outside, still meet greystripe, and still be offered a place?
And surely starclan would have chose different cats for the great journey?
Can you make more of these sort of theories?? I like them!!!
I will try to
@@whitefur123 tyyy!!
@@grilled_cheese771😢 Do you know yet
@@jacobsmith6467 what do you mean?
To be honest, they could’ve just found new cats to find the lake, and to fulfill the power of three.
Well, without tiger star, the dark forest most likely would’ve never have risen
You guys don't know yet
It's been 8 months since. The Accident she's not coming back
That is true.@@b-1775
Huh?@@jacobsmith6467
no tigerstar = No rusty no rusty= no firestar no fire star= no plot for almost all the books
= no books = we are bored = wof is the new warriors
woah I never excepted all that
me neither
i'm pretty sure firestar would have still joined the clans because even if there's no tigerstar or scourge there was still brokenstar also starclan would have just picked other cats to go find them a new home, the clans moving to the lake would have never changed
Never really thought of that. I always said “I hope TigerStar was never born”
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"Fire alone will save our clan" was originally talking about brokenstar. So Firestar would have still joined the clan.
The Clans probably would have found a new home. StarClan would've just chosen other cats to go on the journey
Tigerstar was always one of my fav cats
Amazing vid ,NEW SUB!
I love this!!!
So true
never really thought that him of all people would be indirectly responsible for the saving of all the clans. Wow
*GASPS* DUH DUH DUN!!! I never thought about that!
Wow I see how different it would be with out tigerstar I love all your videos 😊
can you do what if Mapleshade was never born please?
I will try to❤
Wow that would be deep!
Omg i just started liking the song that plays in the background, Cradles! Btw, for the last one, StarClan would have chosen other cats ._.
Actually rusty might have been accepted, due to "saving the clan" could mean as if bringing back a clan and saving them from a different threat.
Alternate title: How Tigerstar 1 destroyed and saved the clans simply by existing
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Hi I'm new to the warrior cats fan base I've only read book 1 and 2 so far and I watch ur vids to help me understand things! And um is tigerclaw tigerstar?also I love ur vids pls start making more!
Nah, now it feels like tigerstar wrote the entire book series with his treachery.
Also RiverClan would be without a medicine cat because Mothwing doesn’t exist. Muddier dies in New Prophecy, leaving Mothwing as the only medicine cat. Same for ThunderClan, because Cinderpelt is a warrior and Leafpool, Jayfeather, and Alderheart don’t exist.
Also sandstorm and dustpelt would have probably had kits.
I’ve always kinda liked tiger star, his character is simply just right up my alleyway. But I never thought of him like that. Also “I never liked running wind” 😂😂
Same plus tigerstar is adorable 😍
Not only is TigerStar a villain but he is also kinda a hero cus of all that
this video proves that some things were always ment to happen, good or bad
Even though Tigerstar was bad, I’m glad he existed!
If Cinderpelt wasn't crippled, Cinderheart wouldn't have been needed
OMG!!! TigerStar is not a villain! Hes a hero! Wow... that's something i didn't ever know
tbh when you watch theses videos you see how the whole story line falls apart
Rusty would still enter the clan,because blue star said he could come
If this happened then I don’t think we would of had the series.
Wow, this is SO true ❤
I love *TIGE* star
In my opinion this is an improvement
What if you did a tallstar or leapordstar wasn't born? Just for suggestions.
mabe
oh i love tigerstar as a villain
You: tiger star is the greatest villan
Me: and the greatest hero
i like the songs nice
A vision of shadows would not have existed because the characters wouldn’t have existed
PLEASE MAKE A CLAN THEME SONG VIDEO SO NOT CATS FROM A CLAN BUT THE WHOLE CLAN!! SO FOR EXAMPLE THUNDERCLAN YOU COULD DO WARRIORS BY IMAGINE DRAGONS!! PLEASE DO THIS WE WILL BE GRATEFUL-from you #1 fan (sorry for alll the caps
This video is from 3 months back? Nature is healing 🙏
I never thought of it that way
Even worse, the books never exist without tigerstar 😢
If Firestar wouldn't have been accepted into the Clan, then Graystripe would've never met Silverstream, so there would be no Stormfur or Feathertail
I never realised how much tigerstar did. This seems reasonable
and if u think about it without tigerstar, shadowclan would of basically all died due to the sickness, yellowfang probally would of died due to the fact firestar wouldn't of entered the clans to save her because brokentail/star would of still been leader
What’s the song used for this?? Nah ima just search up the lyrics and I’m too lazy to delete this cud I changed my mind and the sound of my keyboard is amazing
I'll do it for Brightpaw and Swiftpaw! Time to reright the books
Tigerstar if he doesn't exist / was born : PEACE✨✨✨
he's bad but good at the same time lol
i think rusty whould still be wellcomed into thunderclan because he helped save the clans in the battel againts the dark forest
I think you forgot that Whitewing and her siblings and Dovewing and Ivypool wouldn't exist
Ye TigerStar is my fav warrior cat villain 💅
So I heard that ravenpaw mated with barley and they became Scourge and Bone, they created Bloodclan. So the reason why ravenpaw feared tigerstar was because of their past. Tiny became Ravenpaw, Ravenpaw became Scourge. From what I know. (I used Google)
firestar still may of come into the clan because his purpus only wasnt to kill tigerstar it was also to bring windclan back
Good thing Pinestar never killed tigerkit
Tiger star is my second favorite
Oh Wow so we actually need him? Even if he is a jerk
Idea: what if bluefur kept her kits (mistykit and stone kit)
I found the song it’s called cradles
Actually i would be happy 😊
I misses uuuu
What is that song? It's amazing!
Nvm, found it! It's called Cratels by: Sub Urban
But everyone would have lived in peace
What is the song?
Huh guess the main antagonist is not so bad after all
Which means Ravenpaw killed his greatest rival.
I think you are a little confused for one par, Brambleclaw, Tawnypelt, Mothwing, Hawkfrost, and Tadpole wouldn't have been born, however Squirrelflight wouldn't have had a mate she would still be alive though, it wouldn't have effected Leafpool
i mean the only reason togerstar is cruel is because his dad ran off to go be with his new husband- i mean male best friend, and if his sisters didnt due
Wait than if tigerstar wouldn't be born than... Hawkpaw, and mothpaw wouldn't be alive😨
0:40 actually the fire was to save the clans from brokenstar so the
YOOO IF ONE SUPER VILLIAN DIDN'T LIVE THE CLANS WOULD HAVE DIED!? wow even the worst cats have to live for things to happen
Leafpool didn’t go on the journey to the sun-drown-place.
and?
Every cat forward from the prophecies begin would not have been born
I think ravenpaw likes it better where he is it’s calm
Yes, Am Important For The Clans. What are Them thinkin With kill me?
I would not be mad if Redtail survived but like then there's no Firestar so what's the point of the books
So if he didn't exist....who would be the best villain?
Heres a thoery i gotto keep in mind im to far into the books but what if bluestar was never born would rusty been invited by clan cats what would tigerstar do? 🤔
Also, if Tigerstar would have never been born, Stonefur wuold still be alive because Tigerstar ordered him To kill Stormfur and Feathertail, but he refused. Tigerstar then ordered Darkstripe and Blackfoot To kill him
Squirrelflight is Firestars daughter so she would still be born
If tigerstar was Never Born..there be no More Books then
So Swiftbreeze technically started it bc she made Leopardfoot and Leopardfoot made Tigerstar
0:38 red tail would have died anyway because tiger star had saved him from being swooped up by a hawk red tail would have died if tiger star was not born
Excuse me if I’m being arrogant, but how would the Clans have not existed?
Couldn’t StarClan just choose other cats to make the journey?
I cant imagine that if tigerstar never existed firestar woulnt be firestar but rusty and ravenpaw could most likely be ravenfur, but u forgot about the even worse thing… the series wouldnt exist!
Spiderman 2099 is coming
Tiger star is the best!
WhiteFur you are wrong about something. RedTail would not become RedStar, because when he was a paw. TigerClaw saved him from a hawk. Without TigerClaw he would have died.