U-DRAG RACE: BMW M2 vs. Toyota GR Supra | Acceleration, Quarter Mile, Handling & More
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- Welcome back to Edmunds U-Drags, our series of down-and-back drag races that incorporate a standing quarter mile, handling, and a rolling start all in one race! In this episode, the new BMW M2 takes on its Japanese rival, the Toyota GR Supra. Which one of these rear-wheel-drive sports cars will come out on top?
00:00 Intro
00:17 The Numbers
01:03 Race 1 Prep
02:48 Race 1
06:02 Race 2 Prep
07:13 Race 2
09:50 Best Numbers Recap
10:21 U-Drags Leaderboard
10:39 Edmunds' Take
Correction: 00:41 GR Supra Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35 R19 f, 275/35 R19 r*
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Even though these two cost a surprisingly similar amount (if you want a manual), there is an obvious gap in performance. Which would you rather have? Let us know in the comments below!
Edit: The tires on the GR Supra were actually Michelin Pilot Super Sport 255/35 R19 f, 275/35 R19 r. Thank you for the feedback!
345/25/R21 rear tires?…. Copy paste from a corvette Z06?
Audio: “the Supra is on Michelin pilot super sports”
Text: Michelin pilot sport 4 s
Did the editor skip this video lol?
@Edmundscar, not sure if you guys can get this done, but I'd want to see a 992.1 turbo vs 991.2 Turbo s . Both have around 500+ hp.
You know that one dangling hair on Kurt's head drove him nuts after watching the video back.
I don't think there's really much gap in performance at all. Sure the M2 wins in a flat out drag race, but in every track comparison I've seen the Supra beats out the M2. Are you buying either one of these cars for the drag racing experience?
The m2 because it is only a detune of m4/m3 version, so i can easily have it 510 hp with simple tune and no upgrade needed
This should be the m240i vs Supra
the 2 series is too heavy for that and it's a known fact the supra is underrated
@@seannomoney20both are underrated. Same engine. Although there’s speculation that bmw doesn’t give Toyota the best B58’s as the 400 lb Supra should be much faster.
@@Bimmer_Bill I think performance wise the M240 would be more even, though I dont think it comes in a manual and is quite a bit less money than the GR Supra. Not sure how underrated BMW makes their B58. but I think their S58 is even more so being it easily makes 50+hp and torque more in the M3/4 versus this M2 (and even those are said to be underrated).
@@Bimmer_Bill Toyota has an arguably better b58 at least on reliability. and I didn't think about it until after I made the comment that the m2 is also probably underrated.
@@ALMX5DP M240 equally equipped is the same price as the Supra. Although it will have AWD for the launch, it is 500+ lbs heavier than the Supra. The Supra will beat it easily in the skidpad and on a roll. Even the trap speed is telling.
Jonathan! @edmundscars Ronan here ....the previous owner of your M Coupe when I was in SF, now down in LA also. So glad you're still enjoying her, and she looks in great condition....thank you for taking care of her. Made my day to see the appearance in the video, loved that!
Looked like South Bay to me
Why did you get rid of it? Went for a more visually pleasing car? 😂
Ronan! Yes, the ol girl is doing well. I'm hoping she'll even get to do a Udrag of her own one of these days (fingers crossed!). Thanks for watching!
These are such great videos. Not too long, little fluff, mostly business. Also demonstrates more of the cars performance than just drag race or a hot lap. Thanks and keep it up Edmunds!
@ 0:40 tire/wheel spec is incorrect, it should be FR 255/35/19 and RR 275/35/19
lol 345 on the rear 😂 it’s not a Bugatti
Those are the C8 Corvette Z06 tires. Not a Bugatti
Yeah I saw this and said to myself “that’s like Viper tires!”
@@FlyinFinchMotorsports hyperbole
345s are for Corvettes...
First time watching a video from this channel, and i gotta say, these U-Drag race is pretty interesting to watch, much more entertaining then a standard drag race!
Keep em coming love these races
Oh wow, i didnt realize the resemblance between the mk5 Supra and Z3 M coupe, nice
It would be interesting to see RS3 vs. M2.
m2 Will destroy it with the same rubber.
@madrx2 M2 is definitely faster, but it would be fun to see.
No it wouldn’t
@@user-se8lu5qy6c agree mate the awd of the rs3 could really help out here
@@madrx2 interestingly enough, the new RS3 broke the M2 Nurburgring lap record by over 7 seconds. M2 definitely has more power, but between the all wheel drive, launch control, and automatic transmission, RS3 should do much better than Supra in a U-Drags race. It will be a fun race to watch regardless of who wins.
BMW vs BMW. Nice
Go smell the fruit cup @6:10
*Laughs in 2019
Great race! I love both of these cars, but I lean to the GR Supra. :)
Test drove an M2 and own a Supra and the performance was just to similar to change (plus looks). There is always a JB4 to even things out.
You can jb4 the m2 also.
@@hpickettz34 True but getting the M2 will cost me $20k (supra is paid off) JB4 a lot less.
I loved the looks of the Supra but absolutely hated sitting in the cabin. I went with a M6 ZL1
its is super simple decision for me that absolutely worth extra $.... s58 is waay much more powerful than b58 + it is way nicer to say to a lady that you are driving a BMW ///M vs that your car is toyota (even though it is bmw inside).
@@valeriysyutkin4940if the M2 wasn't so ugly it'd be an easier decision
Both amazing cars! Can’t go wrong with either one.
This is the best car comparison format
Once the M2 is in third gear, its overboost kicks in and it will pull like a madman as you saw in this video. The S58 is no joke. Hagerty has another video where the M2 destroys the lineup there, including a Lotus, Supra and the Dark Horse so not sure why you didn’t have the M240 here instead that would’ve been a closer matchup.
I dont think it overboosts in the 3rd gear...from my short ownership it feels like power/boost is limited in 1st and 2nd gear to put the power down. (even with traction control fully off) and I say that because 1 & 2 gear doesn't feel like the advertised 450 hp unless launch control is activated
@@Nimasis it does trust me. Also dyno is over 500 at the crank so it’s more like 470-480ish . It’s not “detuned”😎
@@AutobahnSoCal Nice thats good to know. Idk for some reason 1/2 gear feels a bit underwhelming but at hwy speeds it pulls hard
@@Nimasis using at least 91 octane?
@@AutobahnSoCal yup 94
Giulia Quadrifoglio vs M2 or M3 would be an interesting one to see how the Alfa has aged compared to the comp.
I mean its a relatively recent car, having only gone on sale in 2016
Aside from that it has been refreshed inside and out as of last year, with matrix LED lights and new infotainment systems and such
Its literally not aged at all
Hell, the current Mustang is actually riding the same platform as the Mustang that came out in 2014...and it lacks absolutely nothing
Theres nothing in a 2024 Mustang Dark Horse or a 2024 Alfa-Romeo Giulia that would make them "dated" when compared to the competition
@@joecool9739 Thanks for the AI response. I know. I own a QV and it was ahead of its time. 8 years though is some time and ever since the competition has had a new generation and a mid cycle refresh release. It would be a good and entertaining race to see how they stack up. Especially on the U-drag.
@@gdsnake98
I just told you that the Giulia recieved a mid-cycle refresh
I’m a current owner of the exact spec M2 driven here and I can attest to its wild side but man that Supra showed up well. If the rumours are true and they get the S58 in the Supra with its lighter weight, it’ll be a monster.
The s58 is just a monster. Bmw made a masterpiece. Simple bolt ons and its a low 10s car to the quarter mile.
Then it’s another 2 miles to the junkyard after that.
@@AntilleanConfederation might wanna check bmws reliability rating these days. The b58 and s58 are extremely capable. Bimmerpost which is a site that is all bmw owners never report an engine blowing up or even oil leaks with the new G8x platform
This isn't 2012 dude. The s58 can run 10s all day with no issues. I know because i have a 2022 and have had zero issues. @AntilleanConfederation
@@MrJsevo29 sure man. Make sure you keep an eye on that dip stick. Oppppsssss…
@@AntilleanConfederation you probably still believe in the tooth fairy too huh boomer
I’m so glad the m2 won fairly convincingly…I’ve seen way too many people saying the Supra is basically as fast as
The 2021+ Supra is faster than the F series M2c/3/4, not G
@@rwac07 no it is not 😂
@@mogulme6190 I’ve had an F82, F80 M3C and the 22 Supra. I know through experience. There’s a video on Samcarlegion’s channel too if you refuse to believe it
great u drags. the best
Looks like you guys had fun
I think I'm the only person that loves the M2, but considering these models are priced about the same, I don't see how I could NOT get the M car. You even get a useable back seat, crazy cool little car.
The M2 is much more expensive!
Wrong ,M2 $63,200 vs Supra anniversary $65,275
@@mrfxmuc2493 These specific trims are very similarly priced.
Some people don’t want a backseat. Not everyone wants what you want. Imagine that
@@19hundoc47 Please go back and reread what I said and point out where I told anyone to do anything.
We need to see a M240i vs M2 vid.
They won’t do it. The m240i is a much better car. Furthermore, for modded cars the m240i holds the record for the fastest bmw ever made. 7.96 quarter mile
Big HP difference between. Makes sense the M2 won.
The manual in the M2 is a disservice unfortunately. It's not good, but the auto zf8 gearing is better matched to the s58. The car is even faster with the auto.
Auto ZF trans really changes things up in these cars
Similar cost comparison is good you see what extra cost gets you or what's over valued.
I believe you guys mixed up the C8 Z06 tire size with the Supra
345 rear
275 front 😮
that was closer than expected
The tyre size on the Supra doesn’t seem right…I mean 345 rears??
Came here to say the same. Should be 255 and 275
Right? The rears are 275 not sure about the front probably 245. Editors thinking this was a Viper😂
Yes would say the same 345 on the supra 😂
And r19 all around, not 20 and 21 ;)
These are the tire and wheel specs for the C8 Corvette Z06, they didn't edit this one out.
They allowed to have a 45th anniversary when they didn’t make the car for 15 years?
The styling of the Japanese is just epic in my eyes. But I have always been a jdm fan.
It’s a little too overwrought for me
But I do like the car and it does seem (according to consumer reports data) to be super reliable
It’s a bmw bro. Lmaooo. The GR86 is Japanese and looks way better.
@@AntilleanConfederation the body was styled by japanese designers as well. his name is Nobou Nakamura. lmao
@@AntilleanConfederationgr86 is slow af
@@kingvega666 yet fun and engaging. If speed is all you care about then I got news flash for you, fighter pilots are the fastest people on the planet. You’ll never be as fast. 🫵🏼🥲
I want to see z4 m40i vs supra
You should do the LCI M2 vs LCI M4 next, both manuals!!
Good race, I am not sure how Michelin structures their tires but given the Supra's cornering figure I think it's Super Sports helped it hook up and maintain some proximity during braking and the turn around.
Super Sports are old tires. They are from 2014 - so several generations back at this point. While the Pilot Sport 4S is the latest offering from Michelin. For context, the Super Sports were factoring equipment on the C7 Corvette, while the Pilot Sport 4s is factory equipment on the C8 Z51. Also, the tire size was a mistake, Supras come with 255f/275r tires, not the 345mm claimed in the video (you can check TireRack to confirm).
Given how old the tire design is, that 1.45g in the corner is insane. Moderns Sport Cup 2s would probably put it in the neighborhood of 1.60gs
@@BrianBeckman yeah I still see the Super Sport ZP's for sale on TireRack so curious if any changes were made to it over the years. I did recognize the error in sizing but there is no denying that whatever the Supra is doing it is able to hook up well and corner superbly (though weight likely helps a bit in both respects).
The PS4S is a better tire, I wouldn’t put too much thought into their “u-drag” test since it’s not very objective. The Supra is a little lighter and the M2’s ride height is too high from factory, lowered on KW V3 I have much less body roll
These cars are appealing to different buyers. It would be great to see the M2 manual vs Mustang Dark Horse manual. Manual coupes with back seats.
Such a travesty that bmw doesn't put a manual in the m240
Should put one in the xi and I 240
Yep, that is why I sold my M240ix. Great car, but a manual transmission would greatly improve it's personality and enjoyment. I have a 2023 Camaro ZL1 now. Loads of personality and so much fun.
@@braddevendorf9901 how does the power compare not taking transmission into consideration? an SS would be more comparable to an m240 though
@@jp23x I had awhile back a 2017 2SS with mag ride and dual mode exhaust and it was a great car. The M240ix was very quick off the line with AWD. But the 2SS is faster overall with the big V8 and the alpha chassis is a suburb so it handles very well. I originally sold my 2022 M240ix when I ordered a 2023 2SS 1LE with a 6spd. That car was built in Jan 2023 but sat in a lot in Detroit waiting six months for shipping. I did not like that situation and got impatient. A 2023 ZL1 6spd became available that the guy who ordered in backed out, so I splurged and got the ZL1. It was $18k more, but such a special car. The power is no comparison with the supercharger, it is strong at all rpms. These types of cars (V8 manual transmissions) are going a way; so get them while you can.
@@jp23xThe m240i will dog walk it off the line. The downfall to the m240i is that it is either electronically locked to 130 or 155 depending the package. Thus, in a quarter mile the RPMs are killed.
However, if you unlock the m240i it is the fast bmw car ever made. There is a m240i that runs the quarter mile in 7.96.
Still thought for a B58 v S58 it's pretty good, having driven both I'd pick the supra, easier of the two as a daily.
Thanks for getting manuals.
Why for slower results
@@jaimatic23 No, for pure enjoyment. They know enthusiasts are more interested in manual cars.
Supra with an S58 would be incredible. My brother owns a 2022 Supra, and it's such a great car. BMW really knows their stuff, and make some awesome cars. Wish I could drive an M2 or an M4.
That one stray hair 😂
I have a GR Supra premium . This video makes me want the M2 even more .
I’d love to see them add an actual handling type part of the course. Small slalom or something like that. Something instead of a U-turn.
pretty good shifting boys
Next up M2 vs Cadillac CT4-V Blackwing. Would be a great matchup. Caddy is faster 0-60, same quarter mile, but not as grippy as the M2 on the hairpin turn. Both manuals and cost about the same.
U drag should had added a slalmom course. It way to power dependent. I like the Supra
The tire sizes listed here for the Supra are: 275/30/20 for the front and 345/25/21 on the rear. There's no freakin' way that Supra has that wide of a tire on the rear!
Anyhoooo, if I had to choose between these two cars, I guess I'd go with the Bimmer because I like it's styling a little more than the Supra's.
So if you want a bmw, it's better to buy a bmw from bmw, rather then a bmw from Toyota.
The supra would be great @$50k.
Should have been an m240 vs the Supra.. Now do that M2 vs a CT4V Blackwing❗👀
I really like the M2 styling more and adding 20 more hp in 25 too. Although if they were to put that engine in the Supra it would be a beast. Heard they may offer x-drive for the M2 in 26 which would be awesome, but if it costs much more than the new one IDK.
This is why i always said the ZF8 transmission complements the supra B58 so much
Love the Supra I’d love to see an ECU tuned Supra with the same HP numbers as the M2
345 r21 on the rears?
I’d like to see some of the more “affordable” Porsche options. Cayman GTS 4.0 or cayman GT4
What was the purpose of this race.The result was very much obvious and it cannot be changed until or unless the driver really messed it in m2 .M2 is in different segment in sports car category THE RACE Should be between supra and m240i or m340i
I think both of these can be had with autos, would like to see that. Just to take the driver equation out of it. Also the non 45th anniversary edition, is $60k, so that bmw is $15k more!!!!
Also, the base 3.0 is 55k
I would take the regular Supra with ZF-8 speed please. Or hell a used C8 with z51 over either
Why are these guys crying about not having launch control in a manual car?
Yeah I never heard of launch control in a manual. I think I would go with the auto though since I would mostly daily it.
Why are we here 😒😒😒 bmw vs bmw and bmw wins 🤦🏾
Becuase it’s fun to watch races, go to sleep buddy
@19hundoc47 hes not your buddy pal
@ 0:40 Supra has 345 rear tires?
It's heartwarming anytime I see a new car with a manual transmission. SAVE THE MANUALS
Very cool? Any Camaro ss?
도요타 수프라 타이어 사이즈가 맞는 수치인가요?
1.45gs in the corner - that's insane. And on ancient PSS tires.
I think the only car to pull higher Gs in the U-Drags was the McLaren 720S (1.51gs). Even the 911 Turbo S only managed 1.24g.
must be those 345 rear tires...
@@Blas4ublasphemy It's an error by Edmunds. It's supposed to be 275 rears
@@alicekim7351 is the 1.45 also an error?
When BMW designed that 3.0 I-6 with collaboration with Toyota, BMW wasn’t gunna be that stupid to give their rival better performance. Toyota really should’ve came up with their own powertrain for the Supra.
I don't think it's like that. It's just the M2 has the S58 and Supra has the B58. The Supra outperforms the Z4, so it's not BMW trying to make the Supra worse.
If Toyota designed a new I6 for the Supra, it would have been another financial disaster like the MKIV and only appreciated after it's discontinued.
Toyota is not gonna waste money on one car.
spiderman pointing at spiderman meme
Why did you not bring an m240i???
They were going off price comparison. M2 and Supra are same price
@@christossakelariou They're comparing to a 45th anniversary edition, which is just overpriced decal and wing. The base Supra 3.0 is 55k USD and premium is 58k.
M240 is the better matchup, and it will beat the Supra from a dig because of AWD. Also, the B58 is definitely underrated and dyno’s at around 406hp not the 382hp that BMW claims. I have a 2024 M240 and it’s a fantastic daily and very fast!
And yooo good call ain’t nobody actually own them act and sound like they know///////M2 all day//yall have fun in your whatever. Who knew we’d be in an era that bmw building Toyotas 😘
Should do a m240i xdrive vs the m2 or vs the supra.
Would like to see both cars on thr PS4S!
I know this is t reasonable but I think y’all should get the C6 zr1 vs the c7 zr1. Just because you can .
Love to see the 2024 gtr vs
Believe it or not supra does have launch control but you have to have the car in manual, but this is only for the ones with the ZF-8 transmission to my knowledge
Title should be bimmer against bimmer. 😂
Surprised they brought the Scion Tc back
Love U-Drags
I’m Drags , I love you too !
Awesome video! Enjoyed the format and editing. Both drivers did a fab job. Of course BMW M2 all day everyday!! Thanks for letting them "eat"!! Merci
Powder Blue? Hisious!
The tire specs are WAY off.
And the manual Supra doesn't have launch control? Thats weird. Didnt know that about it
Edmunds, there is no way the GR Supra has 345 section rear tires.
I want to see this race the new Nissan nismo z
I’d love if you guys did a series of these new cars versus older sports cars. For example this Supra against a older corvette like a c6 manual ls3
C6 z06 would shit all over the poopra bmw.
C4 ZR1/ C5 ZO6/ C6 ZO6/ C6 ZR1/ C7 Z06/C7 ZR1 manual trans showdown would be awesome!
Mustang vs Camaro through the generations, Japanese turbo 90's cars, FWD legends...
@@AntilleanConfederation yeah,…but that’s not even fair tbh.
@@mogulme6190 how is it not fair. Around the some money today. A c6 z06 was cheap 4 years ago.
@@AntilleanConfederationa c6 z06 is still half the price 😂 my cousin just bought one so i drove it for him since he’s still learning manual. My G87 M2 is definitely much faster and handles better in comparison, but with an exhaust the sound on the c6 z06 is something else. I might buy one as a second car
These are the best races vs straight line. You get a chance to see how well straight line and cornering performs on cars. If that Supra was fine with even horsepower and torque, it would have won. Supra still didn't do bad.
Basically the same car minus the engine. The Z4 and 2 series basically gave the same chassis except one is slightly shorter.
I could’ve told you who would win that just based on specs however where the supra comes into its own is on a circuit not just one turn but several turns especially in transitions. I’ve seen a few comparisons on the track between these two and the supra is a better car . In a straight line it’s obvious which has a better power to weight ratio , physics don’t lie. Plus $10,000 gets you a lot of goodies in the supra.
Go z4!!! Not bad being down in hp
If you really think about it, the new M2 is the fastest car for the money.
Ok, a BWM Z4 hardtop (aka the Toyota Supra) vs the M2, remember Toyota turned the Supra into a sports car for this gen, one wonders if a Supra based 2 Series coupe would have made more sense
The manual Supra is down hp v auto. Why did Toyota did that is beyond me but oh well. The M2 is a true drivers car though. Great showing.
the 3rd gear S58 power
Has any car lost the drag and beat the return?
Please do a FORD GT against its' competitors.
nice manual !
M2 G87 vs W205 C63S coupe please ❤😊or a BMW M4 G82 VS W205 C63S 😊😊
Typo, supra tire size is not 345
The Supra is not on 345 rear tires 🤣😂
Had no idea the Supra runs 345 section rear tires 😅
Supra should get a S58 for the final version.
The manual Supra is faster than the Nismo Z with an auto? Wow
Probably, the new Z is a complete flop, maybe the nismo will fix that
@@sphinxore4499 that was the nismo
I want to see the Hyundai Ioniq 5 N against the new Tesla Model 3 Performance!
No one cares about those soymobiles
I wanna see Plaid Track pack, it’ll clean the board
345s in the rear of a stock supra? Wow😮