What Pokémon TCG Pocket says about the state of the Pokémon TCG
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the "hello, welcome to the club. I've been here for two years." was so funny
What happened 2 years ago?
@@Kevintendo PTCGL was developed, and it all went to SHITE.
This is what happens when you give an actual budget to the game. It's about time the TCG got some love. Art in Pokémon cards is one of, if not the most beautiful art I have seen in any TCG, and it's quite embarrassing that the "main digital game" fails so miserably in showing out that beauty.
Heck, I'd even say it's not necessarily a budget issue. It's appointing the CREATIVE people to do the job rather than third parties who just see this as another project they need to complete. They need to get the creatives who are passionate about Pokemon to work on these projects instead of what they are doing now.
so, so many people are now interested in playing pokémon cards because of the announcement of tcg pocket. i hope pocket gets us some new faces and lives up to expectations
I feel like the physical card game is already expanding faster than TPCi can handle with most regionals selling out pretty quickly (at least in europe)
@@hake3510out local game shop had never so many pokemon players as now, for months the amount of players are increasing, on Pokémon day we were with about 30
im primarily a collector, and i play the videos games, but im going to play pocket for sure. then maybe ill learn to make a deck with all this bulk! the immersive arts, and the 3d card rotation have me sold.
When's the launch/release?
I play other tcgs but I’ll definitely be one of those new faces
I agree with “a step in the right direction”
Fingers crossed they merge or at least develop the full game mode.
yes, I hope they merged when everything established
A merge seems super unrealistic. PTCGL would need to match the quality and user experience of pocket. They obviously dont have the ressources for that.
Good luck with that 😂 they don’t even claim this team pci trash 😂
I just started playing Pokemon TCG Live a bit and stumble across this video... Having learnt the standard format, I do hope they have a mode for the full game for people who wants to play it. Still would be checking it out when it releases though.
This definitely reminds me of Duel Links with there appearing to only be three columns of cards instead of five to promote a faster, more streamlined game suitable for mobile apps.
I'm hoping it has a better monetization system than Duel Links though, as that game could be very pricey to remain competitive in.
Also worth noting, many Duel Links players transferred their attention over to Master Duel once the "real" game got a proper simulator. If this does well hopefully Creatures can either develop a proper TCG simulator to replace Live, or incorporate the full game as a separate game mode in this app.
The combined Pocket and Standard online client for the TCG that you briefly fantasized about had me genuinely excited before realizing it’ll probably never happen.
But I’m with you 100% on basically everything you said here, from the improved brand image and identity to the strange lack of public communication between Creatures and TPCI regarding the TCG.
That being said, this game better have the weird thumbs up emote and “I just ate a whole bottle of ketchup” or else it’ll be DOA.
Don’t forget “I am the maddest partier in the game”
i just want a official glc format for live.
I just want glc To become official
@@ChocolateSoda1same
The best way to describe this new game is the equivalent of Duel Links for Yugioh, while TCGLive is Master Duel
Duel Links is a simplified quicker format but much more flashy
Master duel is full format
i wouldn't call TCGL full though
@@Q-TebGamesNLbut it is, it's more full than MD imo as it's right up to date whereas Master Duel takes a few months to get the new cards
@@thunderbirds9001 it's not even half as 'full' as TCGO was though, which was very disappointing to find out
You have said everything I have thought about this new game, and presented it very well. Nicely done.
I cannot believe international thought wiping my entire old collection and disallowing play with older cards that didn’t get wiped even in a test mode would incentivize me to keep collecting. Thanks for this video awesome break down.
This app teases vintage cards, and i hope we get some. Would be fun to open a Jungle pack or something similar.
Inb4 haymaker, rain dance, or lickitung stall dominates the format.
Even if they weren't to bring in Standard's cards, I still hope they do a 6 prize/point format, just because I really enjoy the lower power level of the Pocket format cards. Reminds me of like Gen 4 but with exs
4 prizes or 3 prizes are fine
Path to the peak is like an animated version of the tcgo art style
The thing about Creatures is that they have a whole game dev background so it stands to reason that any game they work on would be presentable.
I am pretty excited for TCG Pocket. I’m a pretty casual card game player and Pokémon TCG has been are my radar for a while since I’ve been a fan of the series for so long. I think Pocket will be great for me.
I do agree that the standard mode should get some more love and I hope that happens.
It would be nice if more people played in person. There aren't enough people coming to our local card shops to play any tournaments
I was already excited for pocket as a very casual tcg player (more into collecting), and this video gave me more reasons to be excited. As much as I want to play the tcg, I can't bring myself to play live.
I like watching your deck ideas and set reviews, but I have major appreciation and respect for the no-nonsense criticism you give to the mess that Live is, and the general state of the TCG. From the horizon of the Online shutdown, to now, great stuff! :)
I was never really that into the TCG until I played the GBC game on the Switch Online app. Then I played a fan-made translation of the Japanese sequel. Even if Pocket has a simplified battle system, it'll be nice to have a digital version of the card game with quality production values.
Agreed
Thank you for your great video essay!
I can really relate your thoughts and I'm looking optimistically forward to that new route Creatures has taken with Pokémon TCG Pocket too.
I miss the vivid gameplay of Pokemon Trading Card Online, the colours, the relaxed flow and those wonderful cards to look at.
PTCGL took a lot of joy playing Pokémon on an online client... (and I feel sorry for the hard work the people behind Live are doing to keep it running). I play so much more with friends and new people in local league play, but I wish I could jump in the wonderful world of online Pokémon TCG again, playing the formats I like.
So let's hope that this is a new and promising path onto the online representation of a trading card game, we all love.
Dope video dude. I just got into TCG and was suprised with the rating in the app store even though i watched people use it. I was also super confused as to why the ad ignored the TCG Live app. Thank you!
DeNA is a great dev (they make Pokemon Masters EX which is my all time fave game right now), so I would love it if they took over the Pokemon TCG entirely
It would be so great if they gave live the same treatment or even just made pocket the one stop shop for both the quick format as well as competitive. Really amazing video I hope this can get the recognition it deserves and changes are made for all the Pokémon fans out there.
Such a great video, nicely summarises the thoughts I and I’m sure many others have about the state of the online game. It’s been so frustrating every step of the way for dedicated players, even back to PTCGO, and it’s hard not to feel more demotivated and confused by this announcement. But you’re totally right that is a step in the right direction and we can only hope TPC has bigger plans still 🤞
I love it when you do these kinds of videos! Super informative, I totally agree with all your points- the dream would be a drip fed release of features building up to an app with all formats. Thanks Andrew, such a high quality of content as always
Honestly I'm hoping this ends up being Pokemon Duel Links, but without the aggressive microtransactions that plague that game with the likes of Selection Boxes timelocking cards that you can basically only get with real money before getting released in actual boxes 3, 6, even 9 months down the line. Just hope it provides a fun alternative format for people to jump into, and hopefully leads into TPC and DeNA taking over development for a Pokemon TCG sim in the future, either sunsetting Live for a 3rd app that finally ticks all of the boxes or just handling development and revamping the entirety of TCGL.
I was super frustrated. Like: your first TCG doesn’t feel complete, it’s doesn’t even have really expanded! And now you are also developing another game? WTF???
Side note. Pokemon international and Pokemon company are not the same entity. It's a huge mess and it's probably the reason why the onlinetcg never released in Japan. This one will be the first Pokemon online TCG available in Japan
As soon as I saw that Pokémon Pocket trailer the first thing I thought was: “oh I can’t wait to see what Mahone and Tricky Gym has to say about this!”. And I was not disappointed ;) Keep up the great work!
Even though this is a different "game", made to compete with duel links, this only solidifies the theory that PTCGL was made as a placeholder for the online client made solely to cut costs, rather than an actual effort into being a quality online TCG experience. And now it represents a big slap in the face of tcg players, when you see how this other game looks. They oddly seem to care more about the game that will have microtransactions.
The question of "Why?" still stands, and I have no clue what the answer could be. Seems anything but rational, given that, despite the smaller consumer base compared to card collectors who don't play, PTCGL is so atrocious that it does indeed damage their brand more than anything.
Wasn't Live a Master duel competitor
@@haruhisuzumiya6650 should've been, but from the beginning it has always looked like a placeholder to cut costs rather than an actual product.
@@haruhisuzumiya6650live was out before master duel
I think contractually, PTCGO / PTCGL both aren't allowed to make money from selling any digital cards. It was just a digital companion client to help promote the competitive TCG scene. TPCi got lucky and picked Direwolf as devs back when they were a new studio and unknown. Now, they tried to move development in-house and hired mediocre developers.
I'm just wondering when pocket will get it's hexagonal update. There is a stunning lack of hexagons in that preview.
this is genuinely one of the best videos about this issue, puts pretty much all of my thought and frustrations about live and pocket into a video and articulates it beautifully.
As someone who played the real TCG competitively and TCG Live afterwards
.... This HYPES me. I love the idea of having a digital collection with tradeable cards (this invites potential value to cards and buying and selling cards via PayPal). The quick battles, although not exactly like the standard format, keep the cards viable and universal (vs having to rotate and buy new cards...which was why I stopped irl) and hopefully the app will be better maintained (unlike TCG live).
PTCGL and TCG pocket existing side-by-side is the weirdest, most counterintuitive option, so it is an absolute certainty.
I mean Duel Links and Master Duel exist and they have completely different systems and meta.
Tcg pocket is for casual and new players while tcgl is for competitive hardcore players
It’s not that deep
Great summary of the situation, I’ll be sharing with friends!
I hope people at the pokemon company are listening! I'm an old time pokemone fan and always had cards growing up, yet never learned to play!! I always played video games instead (like many lol ..shame I know). But now at 34 years old and trading old pokemon cards with my 8-9 year old nephew's and niece's and seeing how stoked they get about it, I think its awesome. They say its quite popular at their school still, so I decided to learn how to play recently so I could eventually teach them too. I only started playing a few weeks ago the pokemon tcg online and found it ok'ish.. Since I'm super new I still really enjoyed it to help learn the game more and deck building. I'm stoked to hear about this pokemon pocket app tho! I wanna see pokemon tcg actually being played in school yards and not only traded at the pokemon tree for the sake of collecting... Great vids thank you!
I planned to finally try to learn competitive with tcg live. Day one of using it I decided not to lol. I’d try again if they put standard on pocket.
I loved ptcgo, but haven't played in almost 2 years since they switched to live :/ I miss it but the UI is so terrible I don't see myself going back
Thank you so much for this video. I was so confused by the announcement, but now I’m optimistic again; you’re such a good ambassador for the Pokémon TCG, and I hope you’re right, and this is a step towards a fully realised, beautiful Pokémon TCG Digital Experience, which both the fans and the cards themselves deserve.
For the same reason they don't make another TCG game like the gameboy one. They didn't care
I'm holding on that they do one day...a PTCG game with a campaign. Otherwise its battles. Fun battles, but that's it
I'm just happy to see old art incorporated into the cards, included E series era art.
My hope for this is that like Duel Links, we get a physical edition of Quick Battles with reprints of these cards
Literally Playing TCG Live in the background of watching this video, and while doing so: When using any card that searches the deck, the first selectable card will not respond to any clicking, dragging, or interaction...
Oh also my character is perpetually barefoot so that's cool...
I am just hoping it gives me a way to get people into TCG proper that might be put off by the initial time investment.
I don't know if we are going to have Avatars in TCG Pocket, but bringing back TCG illustrators to do the character design would be cool. That would fix the avatar issue we previously had.
I really look forward to pocket as someone who used to play the tcg but doesn't have the time to play a full game. This gives me marvel snap vibes, which I already enjoy due to its quick 3min games.
Cool video! What were those 3d sequences with the gimmighoul and gardevoir? They looked cool.
Pocket looks neat, yes the card visuals are what we’re here for, along with good gameplay. I’m concerned that pocket will dumb down gameplay, because I think we love the game largely for those times when we have to IQ our way through games. It would also be more useful for competitive players if the cards were based on real sets, but, hey.
A lot of my friends had no idea they could already play the Pokémon TCG on their phones or digitally.
They had no idea Live existed before Pocket reveal.
LMFAO THE FLOATING GLASSES
As a Pokemon TCG player/collector since the very beginning, this is one the best videos I have seen in a long time. Mr Mahome speaks what so many of us feel. Well done and thanks!
That was awesome lol. Great stuff man!!
Honestly I'm extremely excited that this game will be more casual, I really love playing the game but everytime I've played tcg online or live it felt way too competitive for me because all I wanna do is get pretty looking cards and use my favorite Pokemon on a silly deck. I hope this game can become a more standard Pokemon tcg experience for everyone that wants to be more competitive but I also hope they can keep the casualness of it too for anyone that just wants a simpler way to play the game.
Hoping that there’re more settings that can be adjusted. Like skipping animations or lower the quality of certain aspects of the gameplay to quicken the game. Playing the game now feels like such a drag as the animations are too long
I thought this was TCG live. I’d had been waiting for this for years. Just goes to show how badly they fumbled TCG live.
As for player bases, it’s possible for them to both succeed. I play both Yu-Gi-Oh digital clients, duel links and master duel, with both having different formats. I also play Snap. Most assumed duel links would die off with the release of master duel, but it still gets new content regularly and has a healthy player base.
I got walled with one of the solo modes missions on Duel Links which led me to deleting the app. I was doing alright with Marvel Snap; it felt really rewarding to not only win a match, but to win with a Snap on the opponent. Granted, most of my matches were probably with a bot, which is fine for the most part. But the one thing that I don't like is the random battlefields for each match. Sometimes they're fine, most times, they're frustrating and, surprise, the other opponent just have the right cards for the right field at the right time. Meaning, that unless I don't come up with a win at the last minute, I will get snapped on and will loose the progress I've made on my rank...which is severely disappointing. I get that it gives the players a reason to keep playing, but for me, I didn't play that often. So, on the random chance I decide to play a game or two, I get bunked down a couple of ranks. I can hear people telling me to "get good," but how can I do that when the game is holding me back just so I have to, you guess it, pay to win. With that, I deleted the app.
Now with Pokémon TCG online games, I miss Online with a passion. I had a decent sized collection, with a complete set of Burning Shadows. For some odd reason, the game didn't recognize my login information. So all of my progress was in the balance. In frustration, I put playing Online to the side. And right when I heard that Live was replacing Online, I rushed to get back on Online with having my laptop being bricked and not finding the internet modem...so my collection was gone for good. I told myself that I would only focus on collecting physical cards and not bother with Online. But then Pocket was announced, and I got excited. Sure, it's not a legit way of playing the game, but the app is mainly focused on the collecting aspect of Pokémon TCG. It would be funny if there's a World Championship for Pocket, like how there is/was one for GO. I can see other players frustrations and confusions. But I for one, will be playing Pocket when it comes out.
When I first saw this announcement I was very confused when TCG Live already exists. I guess thus clarifies things a bit, thanks!
Thank you for an in-depth take on this announcement.
good news for me about the pokemon pocket, back then I remembered that I cant even download ptcgl on my pc, i tried many times to check if its already fix but always says error on the site..
then marvel snap came on mobile and save my hunger for card game battle up until now..
I hope they delete PTCGL and move the entire standard format to Pocket. I'm tired of losing the game because I can't select the right Pokemon out of the search card.
I don’t see the issue of keeping both. PTCGL is the only online/matchmaking standard simulator right now. So until a better one exist, I like being able to practice or test decks online
Who fault is that 😭🤷🏾♂️
I also want them to have expanded/GLC on Live or whatever.
@@daledorable6877 well, I don't mean to delete it right now but in like 1-2 or maybe 3 years when they establish Pocket and be ready to convert all rare cards to this 3D Holo. Honestly they need to delete Live or interfere or something.
Yeah I used to enjoy PTCGO so much but live is horrible and was the reason I stopped playing all together, but this looks so clean and smooth, hopefully this could overtake live. But “simplified quick battles” doesn’t seem promising 😂
My thoughts on it when I saw it was the worry of being left out/ behind in favour of this new, "fast paced" casual stuff.
I agree with all historical company u tell about, and as PTCGO fans I felt deeply sadness when the server sunset & the PTCGLive is not development well. Last year I finally get into IRL PTCG and became a sertificate Judges on 🇮🇩 under TPC. This is all I can do to express big ❤ of PTCG & contribute to the community 😊
I started playing PTCGO since 2016 when PoGO is booming, & become tricky gym lamb, very like to make rouge deck & played it on tournament😂
Pokémon isn’t about graphics it’s about lore and the card game itself
Very curious as to what will happen with the code cards that come with each physical pack of Pokemon cards. Will there be any redemption feature for Pocket or will the codes just strictly work with TCG Live?
The cards in Pocket are different cards using different systems. So they probably won't cross over. Also If TPCi is responsible for card printing and TCG LIVE they are just supporting their own game(s) not someone else's.
I hope whatever physical packs I get could give us the choice of pocket or live with the QR code. Shorter games might be fun. I would like to transfer the aesthetics of the card sleeves I have already earned from live to pocket. pocket does look fun.
I'm new to the tcg part of pokemon. I tried to find tcg pocket when I came across tcg live. As someone new to the tcg, tcg live is great. The hardest part about breaking into the hobby is not wanting to risk money on a deck you might not like, then having your whole impression based on that one deck and limited experience. The app lets you test half a dozen decks right off the bat. There isn't an option to pay to win, and the season pass is f2p if you don't blow your gems like a seven year old (thinking of my nephew). I can't defend the low res or the obvious visual bugs, but the effects on the cards is fine. Id rather have a readable effect when learning a card, and the visual effects help me remember what I have and haven't played. Also, not all the rules are intuitive with the tcg, and the app helped me learn some of the nuances. Tcg live is good for new players. Don't be afraid to share it if you're trying to get someone new into the game.
The weirdest part to me is that is seems they have everything that is still missing from Live handled in such a graceful way. I even wonder how long it will take to load the mobile version, when compared to the long wait we currently have to experience... And the phone starts to heat up, you can't go to other app without needing to reload everything once you get back to PTCGL. And that's coming from an user using a flagship phone!
Yeah, TCG live, unfortunately, is not a very optimized application and is a chore for many users to use
Any ETA on the games release this year??
The problem with TCG live (especially on mobile) it’s impossible to read the card text. So I hope there are able to fix this
I mistakenly transferred my PTCGO Desktop account to the current Mobile game. It got rid of everything I had worked for, it was too sad.
I read somewhere that development of the games is done at creatures and they do help out
Kudos for being so Candid in this video.
The best analysis I've seen so far. Informative and opinative. Kudos
Thanks!! Glad you enjoyed it
"Welcome to the club. Ive been here for two years" 😂😂😂 I almost choked on my ramen 😅
I really appreciated the background dive on the different development teams. I wasn't around for PTCGO, but I am oddly very aware of Dire Wolf and their physical/digital games. (I love CLANK!) I have low hopes for the future of an online Standard format, as competitive players are sadly the minority and most people are collecting. What I see as unplayable bulk is another person's treasure. Sadly for most, the text and rule boxes are on top of the pretty art and just in the way.
F**k, this video is so good. Congrats from one creator to another.
I’m actually pretty excited for pocket, because I was honestly going to take a break from the standard game if the next year was gonna be nothing but Charizard ex on top of the meta.
I just hope upon hope that the monetization isn’t too scummy. 2 free packs a day is encouraging.
when is it coming out
I came to similar conclusions when I saw the Presents as to what may have happened internally. It's too bad this wasn't just one super app. I find the fact that you get code cards in Pokemon TCG to be something that really sets it apart from the other big three TCG's (which I also play). And while I doubt that'll ever get integrated in Pocket (the cards in it seem to have their own format), I'm still super excited for the new app's release.
Does anyone know if I can use my tcgl qr codes in pocket when it comes out. I'm just getting into the game and I'll have a bunch of them. Don't want to just throw them away
When Will this be released?
I really do love tcg, I have for a while, and PTCGO made me call in love with it. I do really enjoy Live, because I love playing. But I hate not being able to trade in live, that was a part of the charm.
Ptcgl actually stopped working for me like a month ago. I would open the app , and then it would leave me on a loading screen for minutes - hours and then crash instead of actually going through.
i hope their is some kind of merge. so you can transfer Character/Cards from PTCG LIVE to The TCG pocket game
I wanted to believe, then I started noticing the changes on the cards. It seems Pocket will run its own format and cards outside the regular TCG ones (see: DP to Arceus' weakness system, "Energy Zone" as stated on the Brock trainer card, different HP and attack values, no Resistances in sight and so on). As far as I know, I don't think Duel Links has drastically changed its cards to fit a new format. Also weird to see Fossil/Generations' Slowpoke with a completely different card.
Great video!! I’m gonna… hang onto my Live code cards just in case they’ll be redeemable in TCG Pocket. 👀
looking forward to this. as a TCG collector who loves pokemon! i even made a Unity project for TCG collecting. (of course just my own project. i dont wanna get sued lol)
I've had "a bit" of a break from Pokemon and logged into Pokemon online to find out I need to download Pokemon TCG Live. Now after spending a couple of weeks cracking packs and rebuilding my collection I've found out that there's a new app coming lol.
It's a good thing I've got my physical cards, it seems TPC STILL don't know how to manage digital collections.
Very well said! I agree 100%
I've tried Live a couple months ago when I noticed that it remplaced the former application.
After playing a single game in which I couldn't draw cards because of a bug, I closed the game, planning to eventually come back after the alpha ended and proper updates were made.
And here I learn that this is an allegedly finished product!
this seems like the equivalent of Duel Links for the Yugioh TCG/OCG
That's my thought, especially when they described it as quick matches
I also thought of Duel Links and Snap when hearing about Pocket. But I’ve also seen MtG Arena, and it started adding digital-only cards which creates an in-app divide between a simulator of paper play and it’s own digital beast. I wonder if that will eventually happen with Pocket. I’ve also seen MtG move toward commander as a format over standard for several reasons, and now the company is having to work to revitalize standard. I wonder if Pocket will become a format that could be played in paper and will move to eclipse other formats. Lastly, my experience with Masters EX is that it’s a gacha game. Most of the presentation here was about the pretty cards, but also the act of opening packs. I wonder if it will be too predatory or focused on buying more boosters than normal.
Those are all concerns I have, but I hope that’s not what happens. I hope it provides a quick and approachable way to play without overshadowing paper tournaments. And I hope it puts pressure on the Live team to get their act together.
I feel like this might our best chance to get a version of GLC online again
I was super hyped when it first announced, and then my heart dropped when it mentioned it's gonna be a simplified non standard format. But you are right, your video reminds me maybe this lower entry barrier could attract a lot more new PTCG fans, and when the money is there, they must expand the game for a wider crowd.
I like that in pocket at least you wont get flashbanged opening packs 😅
You can really tell you're in your element with this video. Just a well written and thought-out critique.
9:20 Love you Andrew 😂
hahah so funny
I really wish they had all series back to black and white playable at least too
Excellent video, I never understood why the online tcg simulators were so bad, but now it makes sense. Hopefully they expand this to standard format.
I was excited for it until I saw the "Two free packs per day"
Now i'm worried about it becoming pay to win or just filled with microtransactions.
It's gonna be like Duel Links. It's a mobile game afterall. Heavily monetized and hard to grind for f2p/small spenders.
I absolutely loved Yugioh Duel Links. Easy format, quick battles and collecting the OG cards. I cannot wait for essentially a Pokemon TCG version of it!
This looks fantastic! I’m really excited to download it as soon as it hits the marketplace.