The Philosophy of Fight Club - Wisecrack Edition
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Written by: Jeanette Moreland
Narrated by: Jared Bauer
Directed by: Michael Luxemburg
Edited by: Mark Potts
Assistant Editor: Andrew Nishimura
Motion Graphics by: Drew Levin
Produced by: Emily Dunbar
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When I first saw Fight Club I was working for a bank and suffering severe insomnia. My father left before I was born and I was raised by my mother, aunt and grandmother. Made the film feel spookily relevant
how are you doing now ?
Is your name Tyler Durden yet?
That is incredible!
@@NyanHomeschoolGirl17 Not yet, to be honest these days I'm a lot more like Bob (without the GSW to the head)
I am Jack's target marketing demographic.
Fight club needs to be studied in schools. It’s an artistic masterpiece.
The language and violence means shit.
You mean study victimhood.. did you spend all your money on weed again Jeff ?
I know someone who teaches a college class partly about it
I had to watch this movie for my philosophy lessons in high school this year
Everything about it is perfect the soundtrack, acting, pacing, writing it’s definitely a masterpiece
This is the first movie we're studying in my Art Of Film class in college.
“It is only after we have lost everything that we are free to do anything.”
~Tyler Durden
There's a glaring flaw in that sentiment as once you've lost everything, there's no point in doing anything. We do things to further things we've already built. You start rebuilding yourself at the age of thirty and by sixty you'll be exactly where you started.
Random Awesome I think the line means that when you’re not worried about the things you have anymore you feel free to do other things that you normally wouldn’t do before and the point is that when you lose everything you start doing the things you really want and actually living your life
jdrc 123 bingo 💯
The most dangerous man is he who has nothing left to lose
In the real world, 9 out of 10 people would commite suicide if they suddenly loose all things that matters.
Just watched this again tonight. The thing that got me was the car accident scene. The letting go. I rolled my car at 19 and came out miraculously unscathed. Went upside down twice and landed on the wheels. All I had was a bruised shoulder. I’ve never felt more peace than the moment I realized this car was rolling and there was nothing I could do about it. Whatever was about to happen was going to happen and worrying about it was futile.
Really ❓ Dammm! That was really risky
So deep man
My mother said she had the same experience in her accident, though she did get injuries. She remember thinking "huh... So this is what an accident feels like...I guess if I die I've had a good run."
Same happened to me at 16 flipped my car 3 times and landed on the roof came out with only a scratch on my knuckle from climbing out the shattered back window. But the whole time I was flipping I just thought I was dreaming and eventually I was going to wake up from this dream. Luckily I'm still dreaming, but if I would've died and went to wherever then I would've probably felt like I woke up to another reality.
So did you become a veterinarian or are you working a job you hate?
Tyler Durden to this day the BEST Role that Brad Pitt EVER had.
I don't know. The high stoner in True Romance is pretty close 🤣
@@herbycarlos6794
I have not watched True Romance since like 1995 i dont even remember isnt that movie with Christian Slater and Christopher Walken ?
@@milosjazic7453
Erm why should i try it ? I dont have any question. Plus i google stuff once per week
Wrong. Watch "The Assassination of Jesse James by the Coward Robert Ford"
What about Snatch?
So you’ve figured out the philosophy of Fight Club. I am Jack’s complete lack of surprise.
I'm still Jack's raging bile duct.
Im jacks obvious
I am jacks engorged veiny testicles
Best comment! You win this round. I can't wait for next week!
You didn't read the book and you're too young to figure out your ass from your elbow. SO shut it.
This movie has had more of an impact on my soul than any psychedelic experience I’ve ever had.
In a way it is a pyschedelic expieirince. Great observation. I let my Tyler Durden out alot ( subconscious) and so far it's working out Thank God for that.
Meschach horne how is working could u be more specific
Unpopular opinion, but I find the dumb side heavier than the deep in Fight Club.
me too, great profile pic btw
Also its fucking depressing
Does anyone else ever talk to themselves in a way as if they are a whole other person basically lecturing you on how to be a better you? I do. Isn't it weird? It's like you're able to separate your true self from your ego for a moment and while you can't physically see a second entity, it's as if they are there, thus we all have a Tyler Durden.
Yep.
Easily
the brain can talk to different part of " it self" because there is no " self". You are not separet from the world. The point of fight club, was that Tyler did not exist and was just a fiction created by the brain to handle the narrators anxiety and not being in contanct with his maskulinity. When he came to this realisation he could kill the illusjon ( Tyler Durden). The problem with the mind is that too survive it needs to accept that death and change is constant facts of the cosmos. The mind dont want this so it creates fictions like Gods, Tyler Durden etc so it has someone to blame for the pains it feels of the chaos and messyness of life.
Yeah I do I think im developing schizo hah
@@11123fsd no you're not schizo. We all have our internal and external voices. Or intuition if you will, or God for those who are deep divers like I am. There is a better version of ourselves and the point in the game of this life is to learn how to merge the unconscious and conscious Minds together. Think of that internal voice as your unconscious mind, the true view that knows more about you than you think you ever will. That's who we draw back into when we die or when we take certain psychedelic substances
Fight Club isn't about hitting, it's about getting hit. Notice how it all begins with Tyler asking the Narrator to hit him first. If you look at the rules of Fight Club, there are no winners and losers, it's about the experience of letting go and allowing yourself to receive the punches (literally). Also one aspect of Project Mayhem that was mentioned in the book, but not in the movie, is that in one sense it is about making God notice them and punish them, since one of the divisions of Project Mayhem is just mischief. This is because being ignored, indifference, is worse than praise or punishment, which aligns to the theme of absent fathers.
I think you might be on to something here.
The Church of the Sub-Genius!
while the last part of what you mentioned didn't make it into itself it self as promo titled "Hell or Nothing" you can watch it here czcams.com/video/O1qBhAG3TfM/video.html
"Our fathers were our models for God. If our fathers bailed, what does that tell you about God?" -Tyler Durden
selemanecu I’ve never seen this, good looking out. Too bad they didn’t add these lines to the movie, would have showed the movie audience that there was a greater purpose to project mayhem.
This movie is truly a masterpiece 10/10 for real
asdd loll the movie
My favirite movie i really need to get the book
K Silver I hope with all the sincerity I can muster that you are joking
The Beach 2000 is also a 10/10
Cotton Kitty the beach is one of my all time favorite movies and no one ever knows about it!!!!
Wisecrack: *tells us how wrong consumerism and capitalism is*
Also Wisecrack: *places an ad in the middle of the video*
Show me the part where he says capitalism and consumerism is bad.
Mr. Gilbert did you close your eyes when the philosophers compared capitalism and today’s mindless consumerism to fascism
Harshil Kabduwal
Yes, but Wisecrack does not say those people are right. He says that Fight Club has an anti-consumerism message, not that Wisecrack has it.
CZcams premium.
You're gonna lose it when you hear they made the movie to sell to consumers.
This guy is putting up little clips of dogs for milliseconds so we can buy one. Nice try.
I was wondering what that's about. Was hoping to find someone else who noticed.
How is the only comment that I can find that noticed this from a week ago, while this video is from 2017...
There are images flashed up briefly within the film too.
@@KieronHoward yes, I noticed, thus this youtuber's strategy to recreate the phenomenon in a different way.
@Nick Meade at 2:53 there's another one
You left out the most important part about Marla. The narrator realizes that it isn’t consumerism or anarchy that gives him meaning, it’s his relationship with Marla. Materials and ideals will never replace genuine human relationship.
Marla is another alter. Marla is what he is becoming.
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go how so?
@@suf1an658 The main character has testicular cancer. He is becoming Marla. Tyler is who he wants to be, manly... and Bob is who he used to be, and his loss of masculinity. All of the clues are there. I could go on for days.
Hardly anyone with DID has only two alters. Even I have a few. Once your brain learns the trick it keeps doing it. Keeps making them.
@@FirstnameLastname-cx6go at the end of the movie you're saying he hands money over to no-one, and the project mayhem people brought a fake person up to him.
@@suf1an658 Yeah, you're right. Seeing people that aren't there makes no sense. Tyler must be real, I guess.
Tyler's phylosophy is buddhism with balls, fight club is about living in the moment and accept reallity (that's why they fight, fight make you focus on the moment and accept pain, otherwise you wouldn't fight) but also letting of everything they don't need (no shirt, no shoes).
the narrator alos let go all his stuf, his dignity (fight 'against" his boss) and even his fear of death (car accident)
So the point of tyler could be see as : Let go everything you don't absolutly need because it's not you and it don't serve you
Normaly in the teaching of the buddha there is a moment where you should "kill the buddha" because you don't need him anymore, thing the mayhem's soliders haven't done, so they become slave of their idea of becoming free, slave of tyler
Now they are now own by an ideology (which is different of a phylosophy, buddhism is a phylosophy not an ideology)
This explain why the narrator doesn't take part of the project mayhem, he doesn't need it, he doesn't need ideology anymore
It also explain why the narrator killed tyler, he killed his buddha because he doesn't neet him anymore
deep! great answer!
Gabi Le grand duc it’s Stoicism.
"my eyes are open"
*Shoots self through the cheek
thank you for this comment
This comment was a better explanation than the video itself LOL 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽props
Plot twist: Fight Club was actually advertising Starbucks
well they put starbucks cups in the movie, so they are technically and ironically advertising starbucks xDD
Nah, Starbucks and the studio for sure had a deal with the advertising when you look at it from a business perspective, because it’s an opportunity to make money which is something you need regardless so you can’t hate the CEO, but making services that a corporation like Starbucks offers to you is something you DON’T need and people should know this so I think that’s how it went but I also think it’s a metaphor that transpires the movie screen into the real world that reflects the consumerism within the theme of the movie so I thought that was clever from Fincher actually.
Fight Club was made with a lot of product placement - but it was always inserted ironically. Take from that what you will.
They just did what they swore to stop
I always saw the fact that these men felt compelled to pursue hypermasculinity out of fear of being too feminine was one symptoms of the madness of society which Tyler Durden symply exploited for his own personal goals. He recognized that a fear of not being enough was so instilled into everyone via capitalism and consumerism that he could manipulate the vulnerable, just like corporations do, to do his bidding.
The vision of Durden against feminism and egalitarianism is in line with the one of Nietzsche: czcams.com/video/qE2Rtn7G8NM/video.html
I dont think he is against feminism. He is against weak men. Men who have became slaves of the comfortzone and the monkey mind. The point of fight club is to escape " escapeism", and to acsept that we are all going to get sick/die. And that what ever we consume, ore what kind of lifestyle we live is never going to change that fact. And that fighting is a way to reconect with " fear" and " pain" and " losing" ( getting your ass kicked in a fair fight). The tre emotions that people so desperatly try to avoid.
@@Ikaros23 I've read your comments in the posts above and want to congratulate you on your perspicacity. You've clearly read many good books and, more importantly, thought very well about the implications and possible connections in those books. Congratulations, and have a beer on me!
You got the whole movie wronf
Jack had testicular cancer.
Hollywood tells us to "be an individual" all the time. Every movie. Every tv series. Every song. Individuality is a great marketing gimmick.
Big Fat Man Everybody is unique (like everyone else)
+QCteamkill if everyone's unique... no one is
+Finn Siegel
This is bullshit
"just as early industrial capitalism moved the focus of existence from being to having, post-industrial culture has moved that focus from having to appearing"
Individuality has become a commodity
+Wurminator i just quoted a line from "the incredibles" and i actually think it's accurate and works out perfectly with fight club's message. Media always tells us that everyone could be a famous super star but this is just not possible. Imagine over 7 billion people being famous. "unique" means standing out from the rest. this "rest" can't be unique otherwise the term doesn't make sense.
Also Tyler uses the Fight Club as a way to reconnect individuals with violence, the same violence that in the surface is absent from the capitalist rationalised system. We don't fight for our lives anymore, neither we hunt or use violence in our daily activities in any meaningfull way. Instead, we pay other people to use violence for us. Like when we go to the supermarket and buy meat from an animal that has already been killed. That alienation from violence makes us believe that violence itself doen't exists in our modern society, or that it is useless. But in reality violence is still there, is just that it has been outsourced and invisibilized.
I kinda like this concept. It would kinda explain why we as a culture delv into watered down violence, like videogames and contact sports.
Hold up. Killing an animal is not an act of violence comparable to killing a human. But I agree: Wars are fought abroad and with drones now. The average person in the western world does not see this.
Alex Roos yeah, I agree with you, it was just another example of how we've been disconected from violence in nearly all it's manifestations.
One thing I don't get from your analogy is how you the it in to capitalism. Yes, you use a lot of flowery prose to the to concept of non-competition in to capitalism. But it ultimately pales in comparison to the ultimate analogy: capitalism *IS* competition. It's still about the best hunter versus the sevond-best hunter, the best basket-weaver versus the second-best basket-weaver. In the alternative, there is no incentive for competition. Tyler's soap would be worth just as much as the next guy's, regardless of the increase in quality.
I think Tyler's ultimate point is that competition does not exclude communalism. You can live in a tight-knit tribe and still have to compete for resources, without the need of having to pay someone else to do your wet work for you.
Matriaxpunk very good analogy very on point
This movie is like that mental high. You cant just watch it once and be done with it. You have to watch it again and again and again
Exactly
Therapy
it speaks on how consumerism makes you do the same thing as well. it's interesting as fuck
yes@@jadamcquarrie4509
This movie is just about some dudes trying to clear their student loan debts.
Better plan than mine. My way of coping was to pay it off with interest
"After fighting everything else in your life gets the volume turned down"The fighting aspect of Fight Club is less about violence and more about the visceral experiences life has to offer, the fear and pain you feel in combat helps you remember that you are human and not a robotic emotionless frigid automaton. Fightting or Martial arts isnt the only way to this, exteme sports or hiiking can do the same. The kids in Dead Poet Society sneaking out of School to read poetry and sing to eachor achieves a similar result. "Let that which does not matter, truly slide"
Scott McConnell great point, this was lacking in the video
This is the surface point that is presented, but an extremely important thing to remember when reading or watching Fight Club is that it is written by a gay man angry and trying to expose the dangers of extreme masculinity in modern society. He shows that he understands what these men are feeling but then shows the erosive and destructive path it causes
And perhaps also why some use self harm as a way of feeling alive. We all aspire to have these experience, and all the different paths to obtaining it are just different sides of the same coin.
great point but effects of a diet of animal protein is usually violent behaviour?
Looks like Scott knows what he's talking about. I scrolled down to see if someone else knows it. :-)
The director even said "if my daughter has friends who say Fight Club is their favorite movie, I tell her not to hang out with them."
I'm fucked if I ever somehow befriend David Fincher's daughter, then.
Yeah the DIRECTOR, not the creator.
The director, not the original author
Well, so much for my plan to date the director's daughter! Why does this always happen to me?!
weird thing to say as the directo (since you have to think the same way about yourself then), depends on the age of the daughter though lol
"The things you own end up owning you"-good line.
so much philosophy embedded in this movie that people overlook and its honestly crazy
His name was Robert Paulson..
His name was Robert Paulson.
His name was Robert Paulson.
His name was Robert Paulson.
His name was Robert Paulson
His name was Robert Paulson
For anyone confused about the pop-up dogs and Brad Pitt: the Brad Pitt one is part of the original movie, wherein Tyler works in a movie theater and splices in single, explicit frames into family movies as a play on subliminal messages in media. Tyler at 3:06 is foreshadowing to Tyler's first appearance. The puppies are Wisecrack just playing around with it.
Shannon Manamtam ohhhh cool thanx
No shot
It's also Jared's dog Woody.
07:00 Puppy
!!! Tell Woody they're a very good dog!
As a man, i’m realizing you need both sides of the duality! They both have their place in your life, and they should both be honored.
@Lunatic41521 Individuality and community, anarchy and order, confidence and empathy, masculinity and femininity, the things that form a healthy person.
Also the masculine and the feminine. They're both nessecary, in the right amounts.
So i guess apollonian and dionysian all over so does yin and yang ?
@@celine.nm888 that’s a good observation
@@celine.nm888Just like the ying yang table in the movie.
There are random dogs in this video. Blink and youll miss it.
guess you are a good dog catcher
Those were in the movie
thank you ferris
@@thehomeofsexual3154 no Images of Brad and dick was in the Movie! ^^...the dog is from wisecrack!
It's called a changeover
One of the most brilliant things about Fight Club is that's everybody's gonna see something a little bit different than everybody else. And they don't necessarily have to be mutually exclusive.
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If you can take a beating, you can do anything, you're not afraid of anything
Basically what basic training does in the military.
Except being stabbed or shot lol
That is deep and so true... that when u feel free
John Blackstone debatably.
I would like to walk around not moving for anyone, but ive always known that would not work because I'm not big enough, so I do the opposite, I go out m way to avoid all passer byers.
This movie takes the "always has been" meme to a whole new level
I love how it doesn't tell you what is the "correct" system, it presents both options and you can choose for yourself
The amount of layers of meaning is fantastic
Maaaan every year comes a video that offers a new perspective int fight club, this movie has so many angles to look at it from!
so much weight and value to it all together.
Imagine if they read the comic book sequel what they think
Fight Club is by far my favorite movie. It has changed my life and my outlook on it profoundly.
Mine too, what do you specially like most of it?
are you settings bombs under skyscrapers?
You fighting sales clerks in some basement?
Have you mastered the art of making soap from human fat?
How?
The mix of brad Pitt, Edward Norton and Helena Bonham Carter is the best thing ever. Honestly don’t believe anyone could’ve played any of their roles better
I was in college when this came out. I thought it was really deep and thought provoking as a man. I watched it with my wife the other day and as a grown man, I laughed my ass off. It's a dark comedy. Amazing what 20 years of growing does.
if you can laugh with it, it means you somehow find happiness and comfort in this capitalist society
@@rgxcx4414 No, it is indeed a dark comedy.
@@rgxcx4414 i mean i dont think laughing along with tyler absolutely mastering nunchucks in the background makes anyone a capitalist slave
I agree it's dark comedy, but the comedy part is only the cherry on top of the cake. So I cant understand that someone sees the whole movie just as a joke, when theres so much layers to it. It's unfortunate and I personally can't imagine that mentality of comfort, peace with modern society.
Obviously Im not the creator of the movie and I probably didn't do enough research, just sharing my personal opinion
And btw, everyone was born a capitalist slave
Idk why, but after watching this video, I want to go out and adopt a doggo for some reason....
Yeah I totally felt the same way! So strange!
I always feel that way.
Wow I thought I was the only one.
I see what you did here)
Hahahaha
I admire you guys calling Ed Norton "the Narrator".
He does narrate the story, but his actual character name is Cornelius. Most refer to him as the narrator though, even on Wikipedia
@@G1982_ Ok, so what was his real name? It certainly wasn't "The Narrator". When he ran into Bob on the street after not seeing him for months, Bob addressed him as Cornelius
@@spiralviper8158 because for the support group he made that name up
@@azzystillborne9125 ah, ok. so what is his real name? surely it wouldn't be "Narrator"
@@spiralviper8158 read the ending credits maybe...
He was "Jack" in the script though.
“we’re not killing anybody, we’re setting them free”
Dude your wearing a libertarian shirt? Lameeeeeeee
Its fucking sad how our ancestors were hard-working and building a better world for us all, they suffered so much only that we today will just say "meh, life doesn't really make sense, im just gonna commit suicide like a pussy" just wtf.
I feel like the fact that Tyler's brain imagines a whole other person to be in charge of the monstrosity he has created is meant to show how unwilling we are to accept that we as individuals can cause such chaos. We develop this us/them mentality, and it is so easy to look at horrible situations and think, I'm so glad I'm not involved in that. I'm such a great person. We're never going to get anywhere if we don't understand that anyone's morals and lifestyle is vulnerable to the kind of deterioration that fascists celebrate.
The fact that Jack is seemingly docile throughout the process, just being lead by Tyler, and then Tyler is such an erratic terrorist who even takes trips that are wiped from Jack's memory is what messed me up the most in this movie. It makes you think about psychosis and how deep it can go.
Wisecrack taught me that any original idea that I've ever had was already thought of by a dead philosopher. It's very important that they're dead, too.
Bushbear i was about 25 before i had my first thought
I was also around 25 when I had my first shart...and I thought to myself what would Socrates do........So I threw my pants in some bushes, turned the garden hose on and sprayed my butt crack and put on a clean pair of boxers.....
"NUFF SAID"
Sean Baugh Really now, this is why you wear underwear.
Talis - da - Man
Aristotle "The First Teacher" Originally conceived your hypothesis in 350 B.C.
"NUFF SAID"
If ya'll were wondering, the main difference between a duvet and a comforter is that a comforter is meant to be as a set. While a duvet is plain and is meant to be covered to fit numerous sets. A duvet is like a pillow without a pillowcase. A comforter is like a couch pillow, the cover for a couch pillow is the pillow outer layer. Just in case you were wondering.
Is that beneficial to our survival as men in the hunter gatherer sense??
No.....
I want you to fluff these pillows as hard as you can...
@@MarkBaland why does that sound wrong??? Lol
@@ArkaeaFCL3 because "fluff" in the porn industry means "arouse" and it's not unheard of for "pillows" to be used as a euphemism for "tits". You can call me Captain Obvious.
@@donnymurph fair enough
The more experiences I have throughout my life, the more I realize how important balance is. Balance is key to becoming happier, a better person, a more well-rounded person, better at keeping lasting, meaningful relationships, etc. We need to have the balance of both chaos and order in our lives, and we need to figure out the right ratio of, say, living in the present moment vs working to produce a safer future for ourselves and loved ones. There are so many aspects of my life that I keep saying to myself “wow the best way to go about this is to have a balanced approach to it”. Some examples I find are how I always appreciate the accomplishments I have made in my life but also realize that I still must grow and achieve more. Or how I try to be both assertive when necessary but also being able to show empathy when it is needed. Or being able to have humor at times while also being able to have serious conversations. Or by thinking on topics from both a scientific vs mystical approach. I could go on and on. Balance, in my opinion, is a very important concept that we must be able to realize in our lives.
Thanks man. That's well put
Absolutely. Increasingly in our society though people are radicalized one way. It’s sad.
i love how you put a pic of a dog like fightclub did with tylor durdan
I noticed a big part of the movie was based on the “comfort or fear” idea, basically the protagonist is lifeless because he is comfortable with his condo and every item he buys that makes him feel complete he has nothing to fear because hes comfortable. Then Tyler shows fear constantly through the movie to people and envies the fact that after a life or death situation you feel euphoric and full of life, he envies that he can scare people because he is never afraid or scared himself he most likely went through every pain ever just for the feeling of life and euphoria and nothing he does gives him that feeling so he decides to just blow up buildings. (My pull away from this is that fear can make you feel alive again if you feel empty since you might just be a little too comfortable) from personal experience I believe this to be true.”confront something your afraid of if you want to be alive”
I just watched a video on youtube about why I should be doing something better with my life....Anyone wanna buy some soap?
you selling our own fat asses back to us?
Minimum is 20$, take it or leave it
@@dizzee6089 Atleast it's vegan!
Pure genius level of intellectualism in the writing of this cinematic masterpiece.
This movie truly is a masterpiece. As someone who writes fiction as a hobby I’m actually really impressed with how much meaning and content this story includes. If any other writer, director tried this I feel like it’s too much for one movie
Watched this movie 15+ times
Now I need another watch..
15?? 😂😂😂😂 Definitely a triple digit film.
You still have ways to go kid, I've watched the movie 45+ times and read the book 5 times hahaha, please send help.
I bought the steel book version... It was on sale for 8.99, couldn't resist.
@@benzielke7149 just did the same. Fucking thing has four different commentaries on it; what film does that!? Can't wait to listen to them all.
and its still the same?
What is the deal with the 1 frame puppies?
Also, fun fact: in the scene at 7:09, Brad Pitt's reaction to the punch is real. The director instructed Edward Norton to actually punch Brad Pitt in the ear without him knowing.
Fincher put in many frame references in the actual film, I suppose WiseCrack took inspiration from that.
It's a reference to the movie (not sure if it's in the book). Tyler likes to splice single frames of dicks into children's movies (if you weren't sure he is insanity personified).
Look at 2:55 as well
It’s everywhere bro
Sure, but that behavior of Tyler is itself a reference to the fact that before we meet Tyler in the film, there are several frames of his character spliced into earlier parts of the film.
Watching the movie tonight, I am amazed at how well it holds up. Over 20 years later, we are still facing the same existential issues, and the film still looks fresh and relevant.
Things have just gotten worse. The pandemic, dependency on social media, that has essentially replaced friendship.
Bottom line:. Looks matter. The beautiful have better lives.
The idea at 5:01 - 5:27 really hit me hard. Most our entertainment is wasting time, and can leave you at the end of your life looking back realizing you've lived with little meaning.
Watching this video gave me the idea that those of us into the nerd or geeky fandoms of anime, superheroes and other forms of entertainment, are we really just individuals who use these forms of entertainment for disillusionment our selfs or escape the painful sad reality we live in to give our selfs an idea or a feeling of self importants, and that no matter how hard we try we will be nothing but small insignificant creatures of our universe?
Kyle Hartnett everything is nothing so nothing is nothing making everything something.
Kyle Hartnett
I don't know about the rest but I'm pretty sure a large percentage of Anime fans use that form of entertainment for masturbation.....They just don't talk about it .....Like you don't talk about fight club.
"NUFF SAID"
Significance is subjective.
Kyle Hartnett fucking weeb
I’m bi polar when I go manic “tyler”comes out,and I have a different experience the dopamine rush gives me confidence un-like anything else
Bro your not suppose to talk about Fight Club!!!
Can't believe he broke the 2nd rule smh!
@@dizzee60891rst and 2nd
First rule of the Fight club ...
Booo nobody replied to you
You don't talk about the fight club
Second rule of fight club...
@@rachelpitcher3430 You don't talk about Fight Club.
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Movies like this make me happy to rewatch them because everytime you watch your life is in another place and how you connect to the movie will be very different. There's Soo many subtle things about this movie. In the beginning his life was out of balance too orderly, once he ordered his Ikea furniture, especially the ying yang (represents duality) coffee table, I think he was yearning for balance, which quickly ran out of control. Chaos has that ability to break us free, but can spread like a wild fire causing incredible damage and casualties (gotta break an egg to make an omelette). This spoke on so many levels, complacency, fear as a catalyst for change (driver licenses). How organizations become cultish, and people literally forget how to think, the fight club grew into chaos and anarchy on the outside, but inside the organization they were subservient and orderly to the point of being robots. Tyler speaking about how meaningless material items can be and how they dominate our minds, yet he lived in the most inhospitable shit shack that only desperate people inhabit. There has to be balance, one idealogy to the extreme is just bit as dangerous as the other side. Which rather you have a super complacent with every comfort you desire, no real threats no real meaning just floating down the gravy train of life or would you rather have, no certainty everything is new, discomfort is plentiful, challenges everywhere? Balance. Balance is only a small fraction of this movie to, time to watch this in a couple more years. Hopefully can find this comment and see how my view has changed. Good luck dudes and dudetts!
There's a lot more to Fight Club. This was published last week: thefincheranalyst.com/articles/lgats-and-fight-club-dissecting-a-delusion/
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise.
Disliked because you talked about fight club. Disappointed smh
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Why he has to follow your rules?
VeryUnemployed lol, best comment.
Hey.. Rule no. 1 you do not talk about fight club🤣🤣
@@sharadaprasad9311 hey rule 1
Disliked because he broke rule number one
Unsubscribed because he broke rule number two
The real philosophy is to follow your dreams, like the guy that wanted to be a veterinarian in the movie :D
this whole movie felt like an episode of black mirror and im terrified
I don’t think so
This movie really changed my life. I felt like there was no way I could watch it and then go on to going to college and beginning a career. It was like Tyler Durden was talking to me in a sense and there was no way I could ignore it.
@@griselgriselda2901 no its not
That’s fincher
The difference is that you choose to be a part of consumer culture. No matter how much you feel pressured to participate, no one has a gun to your head.
Yeah, except you have no food, home, or society if you choose to not partake. Maybe if there were actual alternatives that were not combated by the US each time they were attempted. Not that Stalin or Hitler should not have been stopped, but seriously, the US needs to stop intervening with other peoples' governments.
@@anannon8384 Im fine with it since it saved my country from becoming a totalitarian regieme facing starvation every 2 years.
This video is just a summary of the movie to fill enough time to get your video and advertisement recommended by the youtube algorithm.
that was so good. knowing the philosophy behind it makes me appreciate the movie and the actors better thanks!
please do the "Philosophy of megamind"
mega what nigga?
The cgi film.
Love that film.
@Naglis .......not megawhat
Who has read the graphic novel sequel? That shit gets heavy and meta as hell, and it's probably crazier than the original.
Read it twice! It's fucking great! I read the prequel to it as well.
Squanchy Do you have the named for them? I really wanna read ‘em.
Sequel is fight club 2
I don't know about any prequel
I found the graphic novel sequel to be trying too hard and missing much of the impact of the original as a result. And then I think of Palahniuk reading a reply like this and being disheartened, and I feel sad. I adore and respect the author, and am happy to discuss with any who would.
If he reads this and kills himself I'mma totally blame you forever. Don't listen to her, Chuck! It was groundbreaking shit! Best narrative in a graphic novel since the original Watchmen.
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For Adorno and Horkheimer, "amusement under modern day capitalism has just become a prolongation of work". The way we and the narrator cope is just an extension of living as a consumer in a rationalized world.
Forgot the mention the amount of Nietzsche this movie pulls from
just only an small gag on 6:59
I wrote my Film dissertation on how this entire film is basically a cinematic retelling of Nietzsche's 'three metamorphoses' theory. It follows it suuuuper closely.
I don't really see too much Nietzsche in here. Other than "the Herd" motif maybe. I really hope you don't believe that Nietzsche was a nihilist.
YESSSS, I thought i was the only one that noticed
Also some Heidegger
Not too long ago, I was working the same job as "jack" at a "major car company" and couldn't sleep at night at the time. I made sure everybody knew about the 'formula'
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My fav part of the whole movie is the end just like Tyler said "nobody knows that they saw it but they did"
I think it's important to talk about the ending of the book too. It's not just a choice of whether you want to live your life like Tyler or The Narrator, it's about coming to the conclusion that its "best" to be an accumulation of both. In the words of The Narrator "We are not special. We are not crap or trash, either. We just are."
Still waiting for the philosophy of Dr. House.
House doesn’t have a philosophy, he’s just wants to get stoned on vicodin
Hedonism?
Is "I'm a genius and everyone else is a drooling idiot, let's get stoned and tune out" a philosophy? :D But yeah, I'd like that video.
TheRickestDavid it’s not even about hedonism, House is only a Doctor because he likes to solve the puzzle of solving diagnoses, he get “a high” from solving really difficult diagnoses and when he can’t get that “high” he turns to drugs for the highs.
with my comment I ment to say that there is a philosophy for everything, so I can't agree with your statement that House doesn't have one
there is a cool book (for those who like the show) about the philosophy of House M.D.
one example is about being eccentric and how House compares to Diogenes of Sinope
This is a good summary. One of the best films of all time IMO, as it describes the Human condition but also for other reasons, including ones i'm not aware of. It's one of those films that you can watch several times and from at least the second time watching, you see the film with a fresh perspective and pick up/notice different things that pass by the viewer's awareness at first. It's like realizing the cycle is actually a spiral because you go over the same things and see deeper truths.
Tyler works in film and inserts (aptly Male) still images into a single frame of the films he's editing, which are also present in Fight Club itself and in this way, it breaks the fourth wall.
We're treated as nothing, but something, to keep the great industrial machine well-oiled and moving, with no concern for the health of the individual and its adverse effect on Human Beings. Starvation of the Soul is one of many side effects - and for Cornelius, motions in his Soul drove him to delusions that created a figure of his imagination with a philosophy that would take Cornelius where he wanted to be, and to do things that would heal his Soul. This is highlighted at 12:52 as he couldn't do it by himself.
"It's not until you've lost everything, that you're free to do anything" - Tyler.
I've found this to be true in life, but one shouldn't make the assumption that it would make anyone except from consequences. There will always be consequences for our actions, as it should be and the Laws of Cause and Effect are an integral part of life. What it takes away is the fear of what one has to lose, usually the fear of what other people think of us and/or fears of social conflict and uncomfortable situations that can arise from being up-front and honest, most of us fear this from childhood right through adulthood. But being honest, and/or facing conflict in the short term can lead to a better outcome in the long-run. And the opposite is also true, as lying to avoid discomfort can lead to very uncomfortable and tough situations and these are usually harder to resolve.
2:47 - It's true, we seldom do anything that isn't related to or a resulting from physical items we own. Our belongings more-or-less control our habits and common actions
6:25 - Ah! Only just now i realize, he was surrounded by so much Order that the sterile nature of it drained him of vitality, and he found nourishment in the Chaos of Tyler's dilapidated, derelict house.
8:45 - Girly day jobs! Well, more like soul-destroying monotony if you ask me. Over the years, Fight Club got me thinking about the American Suburban Model (that in itself is another Black Project, where Mind Control by the Intelligence Community following WWII is also prevalent) which spread out as the structure of the developed world, and the Mind Control operations with it. For different genders, it's changed now but in its initial inception, Women stayed at home to look after the family and maintain the home environment (think of quotes like "a clean house is a sign of a wasted life") working in an office is like a modern substitute for hunting animals in the forest, except people sit still and hunt numbers all day. Tasks in the modern world are often characterized by having to do the same thing over and over again, with no variation. It's highly optimized, super-efficient, and safe. Which also makes it very dull and unexciting. There's a documentary called "Cowspiracy" that highlights this further.
9:09 - This says a lot about Anarchy and what ensues following a successful overthrowing of the establishment - what are you going to replace it with, and how can you avoid the replacement structure eventually imitating what was before? Project Mayhem, like Capitalism destroys the Individual. Very often, an aimed-for Utopia turns into Dystopia. Communism for example, works very well on paper and is a beautiful idea, but becomes Fascism in practice. It says a lot about wanting to change the world for the better, and to give that *a lot* of thought before doing so.
Straight up, optimistic idealism doesn't work. Most optimists with experience are disappointed optimists. How one deals with the results of that can make it difficult to avoid the trap of falling into nihilism or pessimism; to still be Loving despite having been deeply hurt by life, is Strength in true form. It's how we control our own behaviour in states of intense anger or desire that define us. It's during these emotional states that we profoundly affect other people's lives, usually for worse if we don't succeed in controlling ourselves. The need for manipulating and controlling other people comes from a lack of self-control. Both Capitalism and Communism tend to lead to Fascism. It seems that Fascism is difficult to avoid and rears its ugly head in different forms with minor differences, being soft or harsh like concrete or grass. IMO, the Capitalist version would be the grass.
11:40 - So many elements of the film connect back to itself, it's intricately woven together to a point of perfection; limit reached and couldn't be connected further - no loose ends. Project Mayhem spreads across the world just as Globalization has done, with Fight Clubs in every major city. As Tyler said of Cornelius' Father, "Motherfucker's setting up a franchise!"
I might be looking into it too deeply now, but in the scene where Cornelius is at his job - the scene in the corporate boardroom, one of the businessmen says "Waste is a thief" - To me, this states a point to make the most of what you have. In wealth this can be powerful, and can help to prevent the corruption that wealth can bring along if the person with wealth is lacking structure. If you become rich, can you handle being rich? i.e. Does the tail wag the dog, or does the dog wag the tail? For those who don't become corrupt by money, money is no object. It allows freedom without affecting the Individual. In the scene where Cornelius and Tyler have their first fight, "No Dumping" is printed on the dumpster. So wherever you are in life, to achieve what you want to do - Start where you are, use what you have, and do what you can.
As Prophet said in the "7 Wonders of Crysis" series, you can progress civilization through science and technology, but you can't take the hunter out of the Man.
"In the world I see, you are stalking elk through the damp canyon forests around the ruins of Rockfeller Center. You'll wear leather clothes that will last you the rest of your life. You'll climb the wrist-thick kudzu vines that wrap the Sears Tower. And when you look down, you'll see tiny figures pounding corn, laying stripes of venison on the empty car pool lanes of some abandoned superhighway." - Tyler Durden, before his disappearance that leads Cornelius on a hiatus that brings him to the realization Tyler was a figment of his imagination, and a necessary solution to the situation he was stuck in
"You are not special, you are not a beautiful or unique snowflake. You are the same decaying, organic matter as everything else. We are all a part of the same compost heap."
I am a meat popsicle.
thanks!
This was the explanation I was looking for. Thank you!
I just think of fight club as people hating there jobs and wants to do crime.
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good anaysis
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Marla and 'tyler' both have long draping coats and their legs showing when the building blows up, they're also holding hands. Maybe the ending is about the narrator finding the balance between the feminine and the masculine, and showing that either end of the extreme is the wrong way to live
FlyingAxblade did yours leave you before they taught you how to read a comment properly ?
Enis A That actually might make some sense! Ignore that other jerk.
wisecrack have been breaking first two rules! get their balls!
I wonder what it's like for these directors to see their movies become classics.
Same
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So Fight Club is essentially Fincher does Animal Farm + C.S. Lewis' Men Without Chests
Decent.
Except that "Fight Club" the movie is based off of "Fight Club" the book by Chuck Palahniuk. So it is essentially Fincher does Palahniuk's "Fight Club".
I am Jon's entitled sense of voyeurism.
Jack*
@@rafaelnahafahik7781 In the book, its Jon (or John idr)
only scratched the surface of this movie. there are soooo many more layers to this than what is said here. another layer of this is deeply spiritual with tyler representing the ego/flesh. i agree with brieen on the" this should be studied in schools"
Great analysis, cheers!!
This is and has been my favorite movie for years. Thank you for this video!
I choose the system that allows me my hobbies over the other ones that make hobbies illegal.
The BlackCoated Man What sort of hobbies do you have? Just curious.
Watching, reading, and listening to people about historic events would be one.
The BlackCoated Man Yeah that sounds reasonable
China's system. If my country followed that, I probably wouldn't know about the actual events of Ferdinand Marcos' time as leader.
+The BlackCoated Man That's China's personal system, nothing to do with the ideology. Same way as how America doesn't have sufficient gun control but France, another capitalist nation has.
"'I'm Tyler Durden and I'm going straight to hell.'
*slaps face*
*smacks ass*"
-Tyler Durden, Fight Club
Really cool breakdown. Absolutely love this movie; I read the book, watched the movie: PLENTY OF TIMES.
Really interesting perspective, also; well done, thank you for putting this together!
I think totalitarianism or authoritarianism would be a better label than fascism.
Fascism is a specific philosophy that stems from authoritarianism alongside others like communism and nazism.
Tl;dr not all authoritarians are fascists, but all fascists are authoritarians.
But if they said authoritarian, they might have to stop sucking Stalin's dick.
I think Project Mayhem can be described as socialist/communist due to how they believe everyone should serve the collective regardless of their background. There is no actual nation the collective is serving so it cannot be fascist, all they want is to be true men. They don’t feel a need to give up their individuality for the sake of a nation, but they feel a need to give up their individualism for a collective in which they are all equal as “maggots” or are altogether just one “compost heap of the world”. The fact they want to completely destroy capitalism (a trait that is common in fascists, but communists have a greater reputation for desiring), don’t use a currency or have much commerce (which are very capitalist to have), expect people to work and serve the collective without pay makes it seem even more communist/socialist (socialism has all workers in the same field payed equally regardless of how much or how little effort was put into their work while true communism expects everyone to generously contribute to the community without any pay. Could it be possible Tyler Durden achieved “true communism” and it still sucked to live under anyway???).
In case anyone brings this up, I am aware fascism is an extended branch of socialism hence why it shares many similarities with socialism and how infamous fascists such as Adolf Hitler and Benito Mussolini were former socialists (it is also why Hitler’s political party was called the national *socialists* ). Fascism’s founder, Giovanni Gentile, had described fascism as ‘socialism that works’ and actually believed this was how socialism can be most effectively implemented in the real world. However Mussolini took credit for inventing it instead of Gentile and the American education system only mentions Mussolini in discussing the origins of fascism while ignoring the actual, more socialist, founder Giovanni Gentile...
TheWaggishAmerican no genuine communist has any interest in worshiping stalin, as he made a mockery of communism. He was a dictator and took advantage of his situation. He wasn’t a true communist.
Glad they did a full edition in this instead of a hidden meaning
The single frame with the dog spliced into it is a great metajoke
Fight Club is essentially the extremes of Order versus Chaos. It's up to the individual to find the balance between the two primeval forces and discover their own individual meanings in life.
This philosophy episode is incredible as always! Of course emasculation was the focus of this movie but I never realized just how often this movie plays on that idea (threats of castration etc etc.)
And I never noticed the very strong parallels of the capitalistic society they rebelled against and the very organization they had formed because of it.
Maybe it's only because I had a better grasp of fight club's philosophy already than most of your subjects, but it is so enlightening to see so much meaning I hadn't seen before. I've watched this movie at least 10 times start to finish.
I love what you guys are doing, never stop. And keep the thug notes coming. And earthling cinema. Shit, everything is good on this channel.
I think the emasculating motif served as more of a visceral symbol and parallel for the more esoteric social and political ideas.
u wat?
FlyingAxblade I think that's a well thought out troll, but in any case, what in the fuck are you saying?
FlyingAxblade no prob. I kinda feel the crowd out based on the video content so I thought this was a decent place to try and have some discussion. Your shit posting really caught me off guard
🤯🤯🤯 I love this fckn movie, I remember watching as a kid on VHS back then, it’s crazy how 19 years later this movie still surprises me
This video alone got me to sub. Would love to see more deep dives like this.
ALSO I totally accidentally paused on the freeze frame of the dog at 10:02 / 10:03
Wisecrack has some great videos but this one is kinda trash. Project Mayhem are pretty clearly portrayed as the "good guys," this video takes a stance very much biased in favor of the contemporary status quo in spite of the text clearly pointing to the opposite. I think this is most clearly demonstrated in the ending, in which the narrator is totally at peace with the terrorism and Project Mayhem once his personalities reunite.
Edit: I don't think it is a coincidence that Wisecrack, a successful youtube channel sides with the system that they actively profit off of.
For being a movie about masculinity I enjoyed immensely. When I watched it for the first time I had just graduated from college and was working long hours at a boring job. I think we can all relate on some level. I had often wanted to throw caution to the wind and just not go and do something crazy. I guess that's why it was so popular.
Wow, the movie's message is very clear, but I didn't realize quite how tight and teleological it is. Thanks guys!
So when are we getting Philosophy of Evangelion? The one which discusses whether or not Instrumentality really is - as Seele said - the solution to all human suffering
Definitely not belittling anyones' opinions here but even as someone who loves unrealistically direct ranty philosophical ramblings, I found Evangelion pretty cringey and couldn't make it past a few episodes, so if Wisecrack could make a video that does anything with it to in any way explain its appeal/show that it isn't sniffing its own mello-dramatic farts I *really* want to see it. (Again, *not* shitting on anyone who likes it, just saying even I'd like to see Wisecrack cover Evangelion)
PhyreI3ird I understand; I suggest Evangelion to my friends who are into anime, but rarely do they finish the show. To give you an idea about the philosophy I would like to discuss, i'll spoil a bit of detail - it was revealed in the movie ending that the masterminds behind the Evangelion project had the goal of unifying all human into a single consciousness, which they believe will solve all suffering. This was achieved in the climax of the movie, and had different implications among the characters, notably between protagonist Shinji and his father Gendo.
PhyreI3ird if you couldn't get past the first few episodes then you literally missed anything having to do with the philosophy of the show which takes place in the last few episodes and the movie end of evangelion
Yes I agree and imo I think you have to really think about it. Is individuality at the cost of suffering really worth it or would you rather not experience pain/struggle but just be unified or part of everyone/everything else? I probably butchered my own point or question but hopefully you follow. It’s a great thought, and I for one was and kind of lean toward unifying to instrumentality. The question is what or who really is Seele and how did they come to be and formulate that plan?
The end to human suffering comes when we lose desire. This means losing the desire to not feel pain.
One of the best critiques of this film I have ever heard! Well done!
So, this is pretty much my general contradiction that I've had with Punks over the years.... being rebellious against a certain organised system requires you to create another organised system (a smaller system, but a system nonetheless), so it kind of defeats the purpose in an
ideological point of view. If the idea of anarchy needs to be organised, then it's no longer anarchy, it's a concept that contradicts itself when applied to the real world.