2020 BMW M135i vs VW Golf R: A shock result?
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- The 2020 BMW M135i and Volkswagen Golf R are two of the desirable hot hatches on sale. But which one is better? Dan Prosser tests the cars back-to-back in order to find out. Can the four-cylinder, four-wheel-drive BMW topple the four-cylinder, four-wheel-drive VW from its place at the top of the class?
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Sad day when m135i is a competitor to a golf r while m140 was a dark horse with its l6 engine
Zahid Shaffique the M140 s main competition was still the golf and the Audi.
Having owned a 140i and now a 135i I can tell you that the newer car is night and day better....
@@patrickjhorton1 Is the the new front wheel drive 135i really better than their predecessors with inline 6 and rear wheel drive?
Can you elaborate plz?
Great Comparsion Test. The BMW M135i Is also the one I would choose
The m135i is gorgeous inside and at the rear but who the f**k designed that front end?! What are they playing at
probably the same guy did on the X7 ......BMW seems like hav only ONE guy for all models nose air intake designer
Big grilles for the Chinese market, they like it apparently...
A woman! 🙄
@Mr Blobby!!!!! lol nice one. It is almost a nice looking car sort of
At least it looks better than the G20 at the front....
10:50 thank me later.
Golf R AWD, brilliant DSG gearbox, this this keeps you planted hence why I bought one!
@Mr Blobby!!!!! What's that a 1.9TDI? I Had a skoda fabia vrs diesel previously that was remapped, that was a torque monster I'd never underestimate one.
After the R I would consider a 335d. Maybe...
I’ve been looking for one and literally cannot find DSG anywhere it’s always manual I come across !!
@Mr Blobby!!!!! Funny you mention that I was looking at that as a second motor lol
I would like to drive a 335d m sport auto, best way to know what suits you, your lifestyle and driving style is to drive the cars u desire and draw you're own comparisons. Prior to the R I had a GTI MK7.5 Performance pack, which I found to have much better styling and was more fun to drive
I'll stick with my 7R, the BMW has a face only a mother could love. I also feel like the golf's chassis is more neutral than you are portraying it, I find mine certainly prefers understeer to oversteer at the limit but if you are precise with your inputs it settles on the edge between the two beautifully. Also the manuals benefit greatly from a shifter and shift bracket/ bushing, upper and lower dogbone insert, and a clutch delay valve and helper spring delete.
Perfect drag race opportunity missed
Loads of them done (carwow have done new m135i vs golf r, Amg a35 and s3)
@Adam I've seen loads, search m135i f40 drag race, motech done one against a35 and also a polish site showing dash and v timed runs against all the competitors. The 135i has won them all apart from 1 but it was a modded s3 it turned out so was removed
Great review. Very precise and easy to follow. Thanks.
Golf r is NOT underpowered. It originally comes out the factory with 310 HP but certain countries detune the house power for fuel efficiency!!!
John villa it’s the PPF in the EU that has reduced power back down to 296.
I will take golf R
I'll keep my 6 speed Golf R thanks...
They are both pretty wonderful, useable cost effective cars. They both suffer from the same problem and that is modern traffic. If you get stuck on a winding, pot-holed A road, behind a truck, horse box or pretty much anything, you will know what I mean.
The golf is still looking great today
Dan really has become one of the best reviewers on CZcams now, awesome dude .
Great review. Won't be long before you have a million scribers!
Yes it will.
Very good review..Own a Golf R 7.5..Had it for 2 years..Brilliant piece of kit ...BMW...Hmm..No.
I'll take the R far nicer on the eye. The new MK8 will wipe the floor with that 135i in any given situation
Great video. Also remember that the Golf Mk7/7.5 is 5 years old now. It will be interesting to see the Golf R mk8 which I think will take it back to the top!
So what happens since there isn’t going to be a new R model as of this time next year will they still hold value or will the prices drop quite a bit...?
A great review concentrating on real world driving rather than more pointless drag racing. Well done.
The A35 is better than the golf R too. R handles bumps better but 35 has better handling
The BMW would be my pick too.
I think it looks great! Much better in the flesh, massive grill gives it an aggressive and unique look
Great review!
the looks are subjective, but every respected review of the m135i has decided it’s a great car, and if it’s the same price as the golf, I’d have the 1 series
The golf does seam a bit pricey when you consider its now over 5 years old compared with the brand new m135i.
This is what true motoring journalism should be. Once again Dan shows every bullshit influencer how it is done.
Great review of each car in very competent manor, it’s great to get some genuine feedback on how each car handles in terms of feel and competency of the chassis on the road.
Keep it up pal!
Agree....and not trying to be funny all the time, thats a relief.
They are very close but part of my appeal for the R was looks, I just think it looks special enough without looking rediculous. I will admit, an LSD upfront would be great, but let's be honest, who drives hard enough on the public highway to really actually need one?
I am starting to like the Golf R such a beautiful car ;)
I like this kind of review. Hes not trying to be quirky or funny. If i want jokes, ill look at some stand up.
The BMW is an awesome looking car (inside and out) except of this ridiculous front end. It screws up this car completely!
Dan,
After 5 years of probably using the Golf R as a benchmark for their development programme of their next New Hot Hatch I would have hoped BMW could have done much better than only just about superseded the GolfR mk7.5. However, don't hold your breath BMW. The Golf R mk8 will soon be here in Rmk8 Plus guise to blow you away. Can't wait for that review Dan.
Is the dash of the BMW classic or old-fashioned??? This car looks better in real for me. But a different color would help. But the R would do it for me too....
I didn't realise the Golf R had been detuned by 10bhp for 2019. Can't but be secretly happy I have the '18 version with the full 306bhp..not that I'd notice 10bhp of difference :) Great review as always. Personally I like the Golf R's exterior design but predictably prefer the BMW's much newer interior.
Random Surfer the 2019 models have a different filter dpf type thing in the exhaust aswell as the cat that makes it abit slower
All newer cars are weaker (unless the manufacturer tuned them up to compensate) and quieter than in 2018 because of the now mandatory opf/ppf filters. 2018 (and older) models of sporty cars will most likely keep their value better because of this.
I’d like to see the M135i against the A35 with adaptive dampers - they make the car.. ridiculously bumpy in the passive damped car.
I still prefer the Golf r any day
The problem with these VW competitors is that it is barely just as fast as the current Golf R. BMW and Mercedes competitors are actually heavier than the current Golf R. Being just as good as the bench standard just won't be enough if a new R is right around the corner in a 2 years time. It won't be too hard pressed to say that the new R will either be lighter than 3400 lbs or more powerful than 300 hp or both.
Good road test. But you fail to mention that the mk8 golf r will be out soon let's see what happens then will the BMW be top then
How did that front end of that BMW get the A-OK.. rear looks good too but that front face only a mother could love.
Whats the coolest mirror caps for the Golf R? Gloss Black or The Original Chrome ones? I think Black.
Carbon 👌
depends on what YOU like..... I have the Silver/Chrome ones on a Grey car...... but wouldn't mind getting some Carbon Fibre ones.
@@DonsShed I switched the original silver ones for the gloss black i just think it looks more up to date, but each to their own. I had the carbon ones but just thought the looked tacky.
God, that 135i hurts my eyes!
Great vid though.
I love the new 1 series. Me and my wife looked at the new 1 series and we loved. We love the interior the space the boot as well the general shape of the car in sport trim. So we getting the 118d M Sport.
Since you say you looked at it and loved it I just want to know will yours come with white stick and a dog ?
Most horrendous modern hatchback. Grille is disgusting
I'm getting a 118i Sport Line with M-steering. Best car in the Golf-segment currently and very competitively priced as well.
A 3 cylinder that’s a beast right there man
I'm on my 2rd golf R. See no reason to change to BMW.
I've got the estate, so from the perspective, the R has no competition (save for SEAT).
Hardly a fair comparison, Golf's effectively a 2014 set up. Wait till the MK8 R comes out then it'll be even.
Douglas Martin Agree , I find this pointless. No ones paying £36k for a Golf R right now anyway!
You could buy a mk7.r in 2013... which means it was designed in 2010... thats a decade ago... and its still the best all round 300bhp hatch on the market... thats why i have 1.... that says alot... while the m135 is a 2019 design.... lets see what the mk8r is like..... ... but comeon vw ...where is the track biased 3dr only golf rs with the 2.5t...thats what we want to see.
I like this presenter but didn't see this result coming. A woolly steered, short revving, non-dsg BMW is more fun to drive than a Golf R? No, for me, it's the VW product that's higher up on my wish list...
Price difference is a lot more in BMW favour now that Mk8R starts at £39250 and the much touted performance mode is a £2k option and there are 3 paint options white black or lapiz blue
Finally something that isn't a jacked up hatchback 🤗
@Aryan1 It's getting boring with these jacked up hatchbacks now. Also in most cases most people don't need an SUV of any kind. You only need an SUV if you live in a rural location like The Highlands or The Cotswolds in many cases, or if you do specialist work which is for all weather conditions like The Gas Network etc. I prefer these hot hatches and I like fast paced estates for urban and metropolitan areas.
I tried both cars I pick Golf R anyday ...
Conclusion seems to be a bit of a non sequitur, given the reviews he'd just delivered.
In a previous video for pistonheads the same journalist drove the golf r back to back against the a35... it was claimed that the a35 had the edge? Consistency please!
Do you have a link? I wonder if the focus was different. He said in this clip that it's the most complete AWD hot hatch. The A35 may have an edge in performance...
petrol 2020?
BMW - the adaptive dampers mean you have to select the 18" wheels. I wonder if that a good or bad?
Good review, but please ditch that distracting background music during the voice-overs!
What colour is the BMW? Great car!
'Storm Bay Individual' it is called
As a big fan of BMW 1 series, i must say i will skip this one. I had e87 diesel and now f20 LCI. Those models didn't had any competition, it was class by it's own.
The issue with any other these comparisons is clear......who says the Golf R has been ‘class leader for 5 years’. Not me anyway. So, it’s subjective and always will be. People should just go and test drive cars and choose for themselves!!!! A novel idea....
I like how he says...... "the class leader for half a decade!!!"...... half a decade is only 5 years, which is not long at all..... plus I agree, who says it has been the class leader?
@9min 24 Civic Type R. I know you're not a fan, but it has a charactful engine. You know it
Maybe the old type r with the k20. The new ones engine has no character whatsoever.
@@bananahammock3664 respectfully disagree. We're talking turbo 4's. Not n/a 4's.
@@ZedVee01 have you driven the new one? It sounds like a hairdryer. It's fast, yes, but it has absolutely no character whatsoever. The engine is the reason is chose an M140i over the Type R, there was absolutely no comparison. The type r was a great car to drive though. I preferred it to my Mk7 R that I was replacing, but the m140 just suited me perfectly.
@@bananahammock3664 we'll agree to disagree. The vacuum sound yes, but there is a mid and top end that is very solid and is not 'characterless' to me. Bad sound, great engine. It's not the greatest vehicle out there (I've driven it on track btw) and for a daily, I'd take the M140i (awesome engine, but for the turbo 6 only).
Gloupy steering, never heard that before.
I'm not a Brand-fan! Even though the BMW maybe more fun to drive I place BIG emphasis on "Visibility" because the reason for buying a small car is to be able position it easily, i.e. park it easily and no other hatch that I've owned or test driven has better rear-3/4 visibility than the Golf making reverse parking a breeze. The only car which comes close is the Audi A3 series for visibility and park-ability however because one sits a little HIGHER in the Golf....the Golf is still the easier car to position. If an after market tuner can crack the software and have more torque pushed to the rear axle of the Golf R it will prove just as dynamic and playful around corners.
I would go for BMW as It has slightly better build quality and more dependable electronics compared to the VW. I've heard reports that the VW has issues with electronics after just 11,000 miles in some cases whereas I am yet to hear a negative report regarding the BMW. This indicates to me that BMW is clearly the superior car here.
Also, the BMW looks more premium and stylish In my opinion. The only area I feel VW is better is the ride quality.
M140i please
The Golf R and the S3 are the same manufacturers
Cyril Young no shit
Is the golf r electric.
what do you mean by "gloopy"?
Remember folks those prices quoted are basic starting prices, walk into any showroom see the car you'd really want with extras you'd be paying 45k for the m135i and the new Golf r will take you near 50k
camera phones don't do it justice...
Prefer my 240i with its performance exhaust.
Both great cars 135i is so much nicer looking inside and out so I'd go for that
How tall is Dan?
Golf R boot space 380L also has dynamic suspension (DCC) standard...you should in to add competition!
Isn't standard
For correction my country is standard ,but for fair compression this video you have to mansion that I think...
Golf R boot capacity is reduced over 380 L of GTI version due to space requirements rear Transmission aspect of 4 Motion. A significant reduction, imo.
343 L boot space...
DCC is not standard
The golf is the better car not because of performance, it’s just the best bang for you buck at the end of the day. Every time, that’s the real reason it’s been on top
Totally love the Golf R. Its just the local Boy racer/ Drug dealer image that's off putting. . That M135i looks like someones sat on a 2 series Grand Tourer. You don't miss the M140i then? Are you sure? Most do.
@Aryan1 A Stunning car mate. The last of its kind. Enjoy that real wheel drive fun.
1:18...all have front biased four wheel drive system? I'm sure the 135i xdrive is a rear biased four wheel drive sending slightly more power to the rear? Or maybe I'm wrong?
It's a fwd platform now mate. They changed it for this latest model. So you get a bigger boot and more rear leg room.
Meh, the old M135i and M140i are more fun than any Golf R too. Quicker too, when you're not in the damp UK with traction issues. Golf R is a great unit, BMW just give a little more for the 'driver'. What a great class this is now, we're spoilt.
It’s also more likely you won’t get the BMW stuck to your rear bumper or swerving in and out thru traffic using every lane of a 4 lane carriageway!
Odd conclusion after watching the video....Hmmmm
Serious very shocking the guy totally praised the Golf R then goes for the shity bm ....🤮
yer right?.... Presenter: "BMW is not so good, BMW is not as good"....... " the winner is the BMW!!!"..... WHAT????
Agree. These reviews are pointless. Biased 100% because they are paid to say it. Everyone seems to rave about this new 1 series (reviewers) but I've yet to see a single one on the road! Can't wait to see the sales figures for the new one!
@@rickmiles85 I saw a new one on the road a day or so ago.... the owner floored it from the Traffic lights.... it looked like it went hard..... but other than that one.... no, I can't say I've seen any others here (not that you would regularly see M140i's or the older M135i's here in Perth either)
Dan’s take on the manual is puzzling, anytime you can not get a manual it is a shame regardless of his preference, odd commentary, IMO. Is there no manual option in Europe?
Nice car...
so 135 having a 2.0 not a 3.5 and front wheel drive? It also lacks the distinctive styling not sure about that. The other makes all went front wheel drive a generation ago, so may be good reason, however think the rear drive thing became bmws USP although buyers may not care, its the that do that may be make it the car to have
Test drove the 1series and the merc cla. The bmw interior feels so old compared to the merc a/cla class. For performance and bang for the buck i would choose the leon cupra. Wonder how the new golf R will be.
golf r all day
Golf R all day long!
Ill buy the R ✌️
Nice car, love New M235i GC . This cars are not old school BMW, bat BMW need cars like that . If you need more fun, you can still go with m2,m3,m4... :)
Having owned the previous M135i I’m happy I ticked that straight 6 RWD hot hatch box when I did. The new ones proportions make it look like a crossover but understand why they went with fwd for the vanilla models - rear legroom was a joke and people just bought in to the brand and didn’t care / know it was RWD.
Personally i would wait for the new Golf R rather than this M135i...it’s just so ugly
Trust me the R is more fun to drive especially in drift mode!!!
No more ph Dan?
The M135i is advanced by ages than the R in every term !!
funny how pricing works..... in the UK, the BMW is only 200 pounds ($300AUD) more than the Golf R....... in Australia the BMW is almost $20,000 AUD more than the Golf R...... that $20,000 is too much to be ignored, so the winner in my eyes is (was)...... The Golf R!!!!
Golf R32 is the king
@40 Roller thats true but it’s full of classic character.
The M135i might be a slightly better car but my god it looks awful. Golf R all the way.
I saw it with the shadow package (black grill etc.). Looks so much better
Brix X yeah, just black everything out that would be the only way haha. I’d probably hold off to see what the MK8 are is like to be fair. The R has done well seen as it’s 5 years old now, against a brand new BM.
@@poddyea2k9 ive driven both, i owned a scirocco R and am partial towards DSG boxes and you will not choose the Golf unless it's financially MUCH cheaper. Interior of the BMW is out of its league. Not even close. Driving fast corners is chalk and cheese. The beemer feels neutral and light, you can go too fast into a corner and even feel like you can make the rear come around with a bit of lift off oversteer. The golf is understeer and that is all.
I would say the golf can only win by price and nose design. thats about it. I would still prefer the DSG on principal to the Aisin, even the ZF but difference here is not that great. The Aisin box gives that good old fashion shove on upshifts.
Arno yeah but the BM looks like shit. No way am I parting with 35k and the car looks like shit. That’s my opinion.
0:54 The front end of that BMW is Vile. I wouldnt be seen dead in it.
- FK8 Type R owner
If you were dead, you'd be in the back
Chris M you own my dream car man lucky you👌👍
I agree I wouldn't be seen dead in it either ugly thing..... saying that, I'd feel pretty stupid at 50 years old getting into and out of a type r.
A m140i owner 🤣
Got to agree..RS3 owner
The main issue of owning a Civic type R is having to look at it everyday, lol
I like BMW's, but I think that VAG are better at making 4 cylinder engines. I will stick to my M140i for now.
My dsg certainly isn’t brilliant. Whiplash central.
Driven both cars, I’ll have the Golf R over the 135i any day
Bit too biased for my liking...
I mean that intro, Golf R seen off Mercedes, Audi and it’s the best in its class. Disagree.
Lewis Boote maybe he should have added for value?
David P The M135i is cheaper than the Golf R mate.
Feed The P0ny Exterior couldn’t agree more, I hate it to. But interior, “garbage”, sorry mate, the quality in a Golf compared to a BMW. BMW is in another league buddy...
@Jack ///M240i what planet are you on?! The r is much better and ran rings round the m140i... appart from at the top end in a straight line?! Trust me...ive owned both... in uk weather and the R is the better all round more useable car. BmW dont understand hatchbacks tbh... why put a 3L rwd in a 1 series...the 1 series should never have got the 3L engine which should have only been reserved for the 3 series upwards.... can't wait for the new m340i xdrive...thats the next car for me though.
Only 2.5k price difference? In eastern europe the difference is like 15k €...
R is around 40k with a bunch of options and an 135i is like 55k similar specs
It's £250 not £2,500.
Rohan W omg
Good video, but the M140 was already a better hot hatch than the Golf R
In the dry. Xdrive never imported into the UK unfortunately.
@@sparkford04 regardless of Xdrive. The BMW M140i is a much more powerful car than these 2 hideous 2 litre 4 pot fart cans which offer nothing different to the hot hatch segment. Current M140i owners will never swap to a slower M135i soul less, FWD bias, quiet emission friendly sensible car now will they... beggers belief.
M140i owners will still want that ultimate driving experience and therefore upgrade to 2016 M3/M4 or M5's or jump ship to AMG.
For 20% of the time on dry straight roads in UK . On Twisty, Damp & Icy A,B & C UK roads, then the New M135i @ Golf R would be all over the ass of the M140 I until it went off into the hedge ,ditch or field, allowing then both to make good progress safely. Still achieving "Ultimate Driving Experience " within sensible / legal limits & having great fun into the bargain - imo.
Dan Prosser's comment " Would I miss the M140i " , answer NO!
Think he might just be right. As a bonus, less polluting in contaminates and noise . WIN WIN
Danilo Rodriguez 👍
Better I might be but I can't get the image of a wombat out of my head whenever I look at the 1 series's front end.
Excellent review - great channel.
Re the cars - what you want is a 240i rather than this FWD 4-pot pig
Good review. To say it lasted so long as top dog is testament to how good the R is, but given the BMW is new out, it should really have done better than just about knocking the R off its perch... must be an M140 coming because otherwise the M135 will be left for dead almost straight after its released with the Mk8 R just around the corner...? Well, thats so long as VW dont stuff up the mk8 of course!!!!