WOW! Onboard Analysis On Pioneer DJ CDJ-3000 Players...
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- čas přidán 6. 09. 2024
- It wasn't announced, but it appears that with the v3 firmware upgrade to Pioneer DJ's CDJ-3000 players, the units now offer onboard analysis of any files added on a USB, meaning DJs get proper waveforms, sync etc without pre-analysis in Rekordbox.
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I just spoke to a rep from Denon and he says that this feature will be coming to Engine powered gear 5 years ago.
🤣
This is by far the best comment
seriously tho, I plug in a usb into a denon from the last 5 years and I can just play my music.
This should had happened at least 5 years ago.
Why what were you doing 5 years ago
agreed. Denon all the way.
They definitely held it back from older players so they could make a boat load on the 3000’s. Pioneer are not our friends.
Wait till Pioneer drops the stream from computer feature for their cdj 4000 and ask $5,000 for their groundbreaking technology.
@@kozihoppy Denon doesn't even need a computer. I use Tidal for 2 years in a row, every single night. Not a single failure. Just perfect. Even the songs loaded from Tidal (Which require the song to be downloaded) I can confidently say that takes like 1/4 of the time of the 3000's
Pioneer is trying to catch up to Denon in terms of features but the analysis needs more work which pioneer will do at some point but Denon way way ahead
Absolutely agree! And Denon just need half the time to analyze 🎉
@@OsZ_DJ Sure does at present pioneer trying to keep pace with an SC5000 🤣 I sense there is an emerging shift Pioneer cannot deny what Denon is doing for standalone sector and it seems they are (albeit very slowly) adapting Denon’s innovations there are things work flow wise Denon could take from Pioneer in fairness such as having the waveforms as part of the preview display but I think at present Denon will be feeling pleased that Pioneer are looking to their updates for inspiration
Then why everybody is still choosing CDJ3000 instead of Denon?
@@ikun9531 Pioneer has the majority of the market share, festivals, clubs and pro djs at present prefer to use pioneer, this may change in years to come when the new generation of DJs come through. My point however was about features as it stands Denon has better features
Don’t forget folks, the first cd player you saw in a club was usually a denon 2000f. Nobody used cdj500s as they were junk. Denon will be back…
even the Prime GO (Denon entry level stand alone system) analyses the tracks at double the speed compare with CDJ3000 "industry standard", I can confidently say that the industry standard is moving very slow and is very expensive, my maximum price for this standard would be 800 EUR nothing more
The analysis is way quicker from a USB loaded with tracks out of rekordbox. Isn't that the same with Denon where you have to use Engine DJ for preparing tracks prior/prior analysis?
But in this demonstration it shows the 3000 doesn't require it (rekordbox prior analysis), but of course it will be slower.
Can Denon do it without prior analysis in Engine DJ?
@@vibewhenthe sc 5000 from 2017 could do onboard analyses and thats quicker + key analysis. Yes the newer standalone denons can do this onboard analysis as well. Pioneer is cool stuff, but totally overpriced. Just we the people can take action by don‘t buying it.
@@ConsciousAscension999 yeah see this is awesome. Denon for the win. keen as on the prime4+
@@vibewhen all Denon gear was doing this (at twice the speed) since the start of the Prime series in 2017 (probably sooner.... I am not sure). CDJ3000 was advertised by Pioneer as the most powerful processing player on the market, now seeing how it struggles to analyze a track is embarrassing
@@vibewhen NO! You dont need Engine DJ. I have a Prime 4 and the player simply analyzes it almost instantly. The new Prime 4+ already has stems and at Pioneer they're still talking about simply analyzing songs from a USB stick. Are we in 2023 people?
Still lights years behind engine os 😂
But still in all the clubs.
Did Pioneer put a 486 in the 3000's ?. So slow.
Ha ha, honestly though I doubt it!
*Great video!*
Hi Wanderlust
Thanks!
It is slow as fuck when compared to Denon DJ
Yep, needs double the time for analyzing
This. My Mixstream Pro which cost 1/10 the price, analyses in 1/3 of the time... with Key detection.
Yes but it has the best processor in the world, :)))))))
Denon Dj is able to analyze the tracks/songs within 10 seconds
And pioneer spends so much more time on it...
What an expensive slow machine...
Are they not songs with prior analysis from Engine DJ? Or is this without that also?
@@vibewhen you dont need engine dj. With Engine DJ is instant, lile Rekordbox. Without Engine DJ, takes like 10 seconds. Even songs from TIdal (which require the song to be downloaded) are extremely FAST
Also @digitaldjtips , if you have to do this in a pinch and are a person that uses and/or relies on sync (no judgement), once the wave form does populate if it's analyzed beat grid is slightly off, you can take an extra moment or two and manually adjust the beat grid so it's 'gridded' correctly for sync! 😎
No, you can't at this stage, maybe that is coming.
@@digitaldjtips Oh really?? It won't allow you to press and hold on the selector knob and manually adjust the grid like on the NXS2s??
@@digitaldjtips this does work on the CDJ 3000 with both analysed music as well as music streamed from Beatport, so it probably works in this scenario too
i was also surprised when i saw the beatport analysis and thought "why has nobody talked about this as an important new feature yet?"
but actually maybe pioneer didn't want to announce it big because they're embarrassed that denon has had this since at least 2016.
Pioneer acts as if this is a game changer! This is old news for us Denon users. Pioneer is the Stuart version of "look what I can do"
Well to be fair, they haven't acted anything - they didn't even tell us, or anyone as far as I know, and so far they've been completely silent about it even though I've asked, so they're hardly shouting about this.
Better late than ever, I suppose. The 3000s always felt a bit weird to me, they should be able to do so much more considering how powerful they are advertised as.
Let's see how the software develops
after years those things can analyze choons in the speed of a donkey, gives no key but hey - it's the top of the line :D
A friend of mine is DJing this way (just put the mp3s on the stick)... Playing back to back with him will become much easier now! :D
Ha, yeah! Honestly, so many DJs still do it this way.
CDJ's always had some kind of standalone analyze function. Even the 500's and 1000's had that "feature". I don't know what the fuzz is about.
I'm sorry but that's not correct, you're thinking of the basic BPM analysis perhaps? Definitely not beatgrid, etc.
@@boothbuster no beatgrid indeed. But the analyze function was there already.
@@VinylVinnie You couldn't do beat sync though then either, could you, across two tracks that weren't Rekordbox-analyzed? I would try myself but I only had the 2000NXS2 set for a few months then sold and moved over to the SC6000, so I didn't really try much with unanalyzed files other than loading some MP3s a few times... if we're just talking BPM detection, well then yeah, but their RMX and mixer effects can also do that level of "analysis"... :) (genuinely curious now if they could do beat sync to some degree even if not Rekordbox-analyzed... for some reason I keep thinking to try CDJ-3000s eventually, haha...)
@@boothbuster Wow. You really don’t know anything about the pre cdj2000 products.
@@VinylVinnie Lol - ummmm, thanks - like I said, I ONLY had the CDJ2000 set for a few weeks. Never had hands on anything prior to that from Pioneer. I think you're pulling my finger though, cause I KNOW they didn't do onboard analysis before the 2000... :) why would they get rid of onboard analysis? I think we're on a terminology gap cause you said yourself, no waveforms, right - that IS the analysis I'm talking about, which allows beatgrid detection and thus key/tempo sync... anyway, goodbye, thought this was a pleasant chat but if that is your final answer, then OK.
Omg!
That was really really slow! My Denon sc6000m can analyse Even Tidal "streamed" at four times faster 😮
I got my decks before rekordbox and popped a USB with Mp3s on it and yes it does indeed work 😁
Pioneer DJ has since confirmed that on-board MP3 analysis without Rekordbox is indeed a new thing with this firmware, so great news!
Got coming next week. Is this really true. As I'm old school dj. I'm up for no school lesson. Do you still get the same wave display. Cheers.
I see this features only for "emergency" as said in fact nothing beat a pc with fine tuning and prepare your tracks thanks to a big display, a mouse or trackpad and the speed. It's good anyway to have the feauture.
Oh for sure, but this is great to have for those last-minute tracks
Ok so what you think about denon sc6000
This works on the latest XDJ-1000s as well.
Thank you Phil, I got the same setup coming in 2 weeks
Enjoy it
@@digitaldjtips thanks mate
Can you please ask Pioneer WHY they do not have GATED HOTCUES on the 3000's please? 2000NX2's had them, so why not the 3000's?
Without checking, can you not switch on in the utility? Maybe not...
@@digitaldjtips Nope, there is no option for this in utility
That is Super Cool. As As Always Excellent Video !!
Glad to share :)
I wish to get a setup and I am so unsure... The SC6000 are so ahead of the CDJs, but the mixer from Pioneer is so better than the Denon's. If I get Denon players with Pioneer mixer I can't link them with the mixer... 😔 Doh... So complicated! And not cheap...
Why do you want players and a mixer? An all-in-one may be a better choice
@@digitaldjtips the only all in one that is ok for me with the mixer is xdj xz, but there are things that I like and things that I don't... I wish I know the future. Many of us are waiting for an xz2. Maybe will come, maybe not, maybe will be what I want maybe not... Right now I think that is best to stay a little more on my s4mk3. NI also don't gives signs of improving traktor... Denon doesn't seams like gonna be on venues standard setup soon... A CDJ price is more than 2 macbooks air and I really don't understand why if it doesn't perform in terms of analyzing and still a computer is needed for preparation... As I said already, it's so complicated. Anyway. În the past 20 years I was playing on venues where main setup is Pioneer, also as mobile dj on parties with my traktor setup. Now I gave up the mobile dj part and I would like to have a cdj setup at home since I don't need to go out with my gear and I prefer the CDJ over software. That is the reason of all this brainstorm... In the end I'm gonna decide when and what is gonna be, but I didn't think it's gonna be so hard. (I am not a native English speaker, I hope it's everything write at a decent level)
Finally! They have been capable of doing this all along, I discovered after doing some digging due to the icon in the top left if not connected to internet. Why did it take so long? To force you to stay in the Rekordbox ecosystem?
Well, they've got "computers inside" so they are capable of an awful lot more than we're seeing now. As I said in the video, it's down to what the Pioneer DJ designers choose to integrate. They play a careful balancing act - innovating while not upsetting their pretty conservative (small c) pro user base.
It's only a matter of time for Denon Dj to be industry standard, inMusic owns Moog, Akai, Alesis, M-Audio, Rane, and have been innovating since several years ago... And Pioneer well is owned by a company that makes Printers.
Enough said.
Not sure about that, but we'll see - any competition is good for us DJs!
I've been hearing the "Denon DJ will be the industry standard" since the days of the DN-S5000s. For better or worse, I just don't see it happening.
Sound. It is the most important feature. Demom 6k sound better them pioneer 3k?
Both sound great
Why don’t you use the digital in / out on the 3000/A9 ?
Can't find the cables 🤣
@@digitaldjtips that is a fair enough answer!
Finally but wow thats slow Pioneer always seem to under spec their hardware power but charge top dollar!
No, not really. It's analyzing wrong. I'm very confident in this because yesterday we have had problems with that
„that might change everything“
Hmm I don‘t think so. Still slow, still to expensive, still the sheep gonna buy it.
Why your left wheel is red colour and the right is just white? I know it is called on air but what is it?
Without checking the video, probably because the track is near the end or something similar!
@@digitaldjtips Hi Phil, thanks for your answer. I did my research and found that when a volume fader on a mixer all the way down the jog ring is white and when the fader is all the way up the jog ring is red. The “on air” function should be turned on in the cdj settings.
Is it worth to buy 2 on dec 2023? Or should i wait.
I already have 2 denons sc6000
Why do you want these then?
Ive updated the firmware for 1.11 to 3.11 will this include the rest of the updates??
The latest firmware will have the latest updates, yes.
So what you're saying is I have to go out and buy 2 CDJ 3000s now!
What gives you that impression?
@@digitaldjtips 😁
Awesome
Xwax on my laptop does analysis in about 4 secs for a 10 minute trance track. The fact that this takes so long is lame…. Especially as these things cost a fortune and run embedded Linux. I’d expect much more from pioneer…
Well, it is unannounced so who knows if we're seeing the "finished thing"?
Pioneer: "most powerful of any player currently on the market!" Denon: "Nope."
Not even key detection… and that speed🙄. I’m not a rich guy but buying a few 3000’s wouldn’t be a problem at all. Even my wife wouldn’t care if I came home with those players, she probably wouldn’t even notice. But I must be stupid as hell spending more then 2.500€ on one player. A xdj-1000mk2 can play a track, a Denon SC6000 can play 2 tracks, etc. That’s all that you need. Something that can play a song, nothing more and nothing less. These days they have 8 hot cue pads, only dj’s who play like it’s a pinball machine need that. It makes it all way too expensive. Just my opinion.
Fair point. This isn't home kit - and James Hype definitely pushes these to their absolute limits 🤣
@@digitaldjtips I’m not a James Hype fan, the way he plays makes me nervous. But it’s a fact that he has the skills to push them to the limit. He and a few others can do that, but 95% of the dj’s use the players to start and stop a track and use some loops for longer blends/blending. (English is not my native language)
But thank you, as always, for the video. Well informative.
How do I connect the digital output form a djma9 to my sound console ...I'm running a midas m32
its called aes and you cant you would need a mixer with aes input built in. midas has aes but it is a different protocol than what is needed for that.
I can‘t search song thru cdj 3000 search menu after the final analysed in cdj 3000? But once the song analysed in rekordbox. I can search Tracks in cdj 3000. any fix for this? Still I need to go back to rekordbox to analysed the tracks
You need to analyse in Rekordbox first, even after this.
Nice feature! Really wanted to hear that dnb tune isolated at that speed!😂
Ha ha it sounded pretty cool
Who’s Brian?
I see you have these connected via Link. Does by any chance you have them connected to Internet?
I wonder if this is onboard or if this is just uploading meta info to Cloud and then sending back analysed metadata back to a player. 🤔
Does it still work when you disconnect CDJ from network?
That's a good point, we didn't disconnect the internet. but that said, the tracks we used were really obscure, so I am going to guess it is on the unit.
@@digitaldjtipscan you make a video on how to edit the grid on the cdj while in HID mode. I hate that you can’t do it on the cdj and you have to always do it on the computer first.
@@jihadmuhammad3311 was just coming here to make this comment.
If you have to do this in a pinch and are a person that uses and/or relies on sync (no judgement), once the wave form does populate if it's analyzed beat grid is slightly off, you can take an extra moment or two and manually adjust the beat grid so it's 'gridded' correctly for sync! 😎
it sounds wrong because drum and bass is in the 170-178 range - 80-something is only half speed ;)
Well all analysis tools fuck up DnB from time to time. Just press Grid x2 and you're done
Does this work in rx3 yet?
No, we don't think it ever will.
with how much this set up costs! it should give you a hand job under the dj booth as well!
Just 4 years too late compared to Denon. Better late than never. They'll catch up if they keep updating to add all Denon had to offer but it will still be overpriced.
6 years actually. SC5000 were released 2017
Can you tag the new tracks?
As in, add them to a tag list? Yes, you can.
finally
We've waited a while for this :)
"Holds the beats", proceeds to show us the biggest out of sync sound ever :p I'm sure it works, but that was not a great example to show :)
Noted!
A basic feature all Denon players have had for years, which is why I don't buy overpriced Pioneer products anymore, I moved to a better brand.
Cool, thanks for sharing your decision. 😀
this doesn't change everything. click bait
Prime 4+:
-Stems, Tidal, Lighting, Touch FX, External HD, up to 4 USB Sticks, instant analysis of the songs (like 10s or something when not using a engine dj usb stick), etc... etc...
Now, go on, tell me something the 3000s can do that Prime 4 can't 😴
Be an industry standard 🤣🤣🤣
@@jcobdj true, true.
FX that doesn't sound like ass
Might be good in a pinch, however I would not recommend doing this all the time.
Definitely not, can't beat pre-analysis.
Sounds like shoes in a dryer. Why would you choose a D&B track to demo with, sheesh mate!
Because the BPMs were wildly different, and they were to hand, for a technical demo, not a musical one.
Still can't afford them 😆
No, they're not really aimed at the likes of us
Damn is this slow 🤣 every allinone Controller from Denon DJ does so much times faster then Pioneer. Bad job Pioneer...
Wait did u just throw ur drive into the bin 😂
Kind of 😂
My goodness, this just shows how Pioneer’s flagship deck are embarrassing themselves on how behind the product is compared to the competition. Even the slowness of processing of the track analysis makes my face curl 🥴. If you are doing an open format, by choosing what to play then do track analysis you probably will miss the outro break 😅.
Well, you should also arguably have analysed all your tracks beforehand, but you're right, this is far from instant.
Slowly but surely the club standard is catching up to its rival , very slowly I might add 🤦🏼♂️😂
And.... No! Denon Prime 4+ has STEMS! Period. End of story.
This is no complette track analyze... does not Key analyze.. (?)
Apparently not