The Best Computer For Orchestral Music Production - What's Needed And Why!
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0:12 Single-Computer System (two options)
1:38 Multi-computer System
2:37 Enhancing the Single-Computer System
4:14 Mac or PC
5:21 Where to Start?
Let's say you've been composing music with your laptop for a while and you are ready to take the next step and you want a dedicated computer for composing orchestral music. Should you buy a powerful server computer? Can you start with a regular desktop? Can just one computer handle all the load or should you build a multi-computer system? Should you go with a Mac or a PC?...
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My music production computer is a Dell G5.
Intel Core i7 10th Gen
10700F (2.9 GHz)
128 GB RAM
I modified it further by installing two 8 TB Samsung 870 QVO SATA III SSD's in the C and D drives. The original 2 TB SSD C-drive that came with the computer was moved to the E drive and the 8 TB HDD former D drive became my F drive. Lastly, I bought a WD Elements 16 TB HDD external drive for backing up. Seems like overkill but I have almost everything Spitfire Audio has to offer plus a ton of other large libraries including Hollywood Orchestra Opus Edition, all the OT Berlin Series libraries, all the OT Ark's, all the Cinematic Studio Series libraries, CineSamples libraries, Keyscape, Omnisphere, Trilian, Damage 2, Symphonic Destruction, Jaeger, Nucleus, as well as a few more libraries of lesser quality. My computer stores them all and still has a massive amount of storage remaining for further additions. And it is super fast.
What's your GPU? My main fear of a custom PC build is the compatibility and stability as far as the audio and video drivers is concerned.
Hi, you are a champ, I love your obvious passion and enthusiasm. Your technical knowledge is clearly great but the really great thing is you are leading people to value for money systems for their needs. As you have said the wildest system is not going to make someone better than their basic skill level. I am interested in any info and classes you have available. Your accent just adds to the charm of this informative presentation. As well as the info it was an entertaining trip with you, blessings in all you do is my request.
I started your couse and you have a massive method to teach and a huge experience, I'm really happy.
Thanks for the guidance 👍 I've been seriously searching youtube for a video like this with great advice. Much appreciated
Ramblings from a relative newbie.
As a relative beginner in composing, I'm beginning to look at that whole process and ask myself what am I really trying to do. Is it making music, is it computer technology and electronics, is it making money or a living composing, do I have to play gigs to supplement income, do I need to learn to play other instruments......what about life & time that's passing by - gone forever, and what am I missing?
It seems that at some point, you have to decide what you're "really interested in".....Do you want to be a tech guy, a musical performer, a composer, or?? You only have 24 hrs/day so what are you going to spend concentrated time on.....learning computers/tech, playing instruments, composing & performing, or?
Many of my friends gave up music because they over-loaded themselves with trying to be everything all the time. At what point do you say......I'm a musician/composer....that's what I have interest & time for.....learn enough about the equipment you need, have a tech put it together and show you how it all works, and then concentrate on what you want, and let others who know the tech part take care of that.
If you spend almost all your waking hours stuck inside a building in front of computers, instead of experiencing life, and new things and places and keeping healthy, all the rest doesn't matter if you're not healthy physically and psychologically......music is about life and human emotion....what are you gonna write about if your life is spent chasing composing, complex technology, sales, marketing, scheduling, .......etc. At some point you have to decide what you really want and hand off the other stuff to those who do what they do better than you can......IMHO of course
That is why the big boys have teams.... I myself am like our man here - Unlike you I have been doing it for years and had a day job even as lead composer for a software company for about 10 years - I can do it all - but also sometimes get tired of dealing with all my computer toys and miss some good old scoring sessions... Even worse, I keep ending up with filmmakers who want to tell me what to create musically speaking, so when those moments arise I still can't enjoy it the way I used to. I also act and shoot and edit video and do some VFX compositing, so I do have some fun doing other things, and I think the variety is a good thing and pushed me to learn new skills, but I find musically speaking I am always planning on how I can do it better and setting up my system and building my libraries but not really getting to use it very much... I just know at some point I will be back on some more intense musical projects. I also plan to just create my own films that I will score as part of the process.
I am running a single PC with 6 M.2 NMV drives, two in mobo slots and four on PCI cards and presently CPU 1.7k 64 gb RAM. I have a master template with 2500 tracks, all purged, all ordered according to score order/synths/sound fx/ word. etc which load in an instant. One track per Keyswitch. When ever I get a new sound it goes into this template - everything is there ready to audfition . In Cubase I use Disable tracks which means I do not need VPro. When I work I work with a virgin project and when I need to audition say my best legato strings, I load the the Master template, briefly, then I can either audition what and use "Import tracks from other projects" to bring in what I need. My projects carry no weight at all and my master template loads in under. No need for a slave.
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Thank you for sharing your knowledge with us.Really appreciate it 🙂
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Thank you so much! I appreciate all the information!
Almost ready
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It's a music class
How to compose the music in progres
The music of progres makeing the better sistem
An NVME system: ASUS Hyper M.2 x16 Gen 4-Card ($60) and 4x Crucial M.2 drives at 4TB each ( 4 x 170$) = 16TB of M.2 SSD for 740 bucks. That will probably fit every Spitfire product and then then some
I agree with the multi computer system but for a single computer, my 1500€ Windows handles a lot more than any 10.000€ Mac can handle. As someone that works with Macs and Windows daily, I don't understand why people continue to insist on Macs for music production.
I love Mac... as my productivity laptop computer for emails and such! LOL
My studio is all PC. So I'm with you on this one!
But I totally respect and understand those who prefer Mac. My studio was Mac-based for almost a decade!
@@CinematicComposing Same here, I started with a PC 20 years ago, then was forced to use Macs (the studio was Mac-only), now 6 month ago got a Lenovo-PC with a Ryzen CPU hexacore, 32 GB RAM, Win10 and it works like a charm. I still have the habit to keep a nervous eye on the CPU-meter and still get surprised how much processing headroom is left 😄
I use a Mac for day to day - and Windows 10 older server machine tricked out with 48 gigs of RAM to supplement and run VEP. Probably because some of us composers do some level of video production and the Mac tends to shine pretty well in that area. In my case - these days - I do a lot of video production.
@@markconnellywilsoncomposer3163 I use Macs too. I'm a data scientist, working on pretty extreme machine learning. I also do videos and music as it is obvious. :) The old discussion that Mac does it better than Windows is a legacy discussion. It doesn't make sense anymore due to sheer hardware brute force and operating system improvements. You may argue that it works better for you because the interface works better for you but that is a subjective analysis. Objectively, with the exception of price, none is better than the other.
@@synapticschism Yes I agree some folks are fans of the OS interface/file system and price but that's not what I am talking about here. First off I answered the question posted - why some music guys continue to use Macs. (the answer for me is because I also do video production in addition to music production). Ok, so imagine frying an egg up and I give you a hammer.... good luck with that! It's about tools available. In my case and the case of video production it was about QuickTime specifically. For many years exactly the same tools are not available on either platform - and especially regarding QuickTime. Actually it is only now - as of about two months ago that the latest Mac OS update has finally stopped support of some of those 30 year old tools and I had to find new alternatives. My job is to work quickly and to teach others how to accomplish video production and music production tasks as quickly as possible. Time is money etc. So it is not about some preference - It is because a PC could not do the job running the software most appropriate to the task. People pay me to consult to make these sort of decisions, so evaluating workflow is one of my main skills. Also, In the past I have also built Hackintoshes which run dual boot systems - so I used PC hardware but gave myself the option to use Mac OS along with Windows. I have worked in software content creation and film production for many years. My first system was a Commodore 128, then Atari ST, then Atari Falcon 030. I even used my Atari Falcon 030 for music production while my office machine was a Macintosh. For many years, there are certain day to day tasks I need completed that simply could not be done near as quickly and easily with a Windows machine. Lastly, to clarify - I don't think I ever said one was better than the other. (PC versus Mac) As I mentioned I have a PC setup - also with a Black-magic capture card as part of my video studio setup. The PC does the heavy lifting and the Mac handles Zoom. When scoring my Mac-book does Sequencing and the PC is there if I want to run VEP in addition. But truthfully I have a single system setup that is a very fast workflow because of my software choices and plugins choices and where I can freeze tracks etc. I recently setup a NAS system to make both platforms play better together. Plus allow my older Mac-book to play too. Recently I ran out of drive space. I could have bought a nice big fat and fast USB-C Thunderbolt III hard drive - that would have been faster - but instead I chose a more cross platform solution to increase my video capabilities and to have sample library paths be the same on both platforms. A hammer is still a great tool and everyone should have one, but a frying pan might cook up that egg better.
Hello, learning from you here in Brazil, thank you!
Nice info and Video - i'll be watching.
One fantastic solution that I am surprised doesn't get more attention from music composers is the Blackmagic MultiDock. It's popular in video production but can serve composers equally well. The MultiDock has four front load and easily accessible slots for internal 2.5" SSD drives. Simply plug in whatever SSD memory size drives you need, and your computer reads the SSD drives as if they were part of the computer's own system via 10GB/s USB-C. It's also a 1U rack unit so your desk stays clean. It can also be configured as a RAID if you need a backup system.
The multidock is cool for the studio setup. For powerful laptops, there are mobile dual bay usb ssd enclosures that also do 10gbps. I two 8TB QVO SSDs in one of them and they handle large template.
please make a stress test for orchestral music with the new Macbook Pro M1 Max 64Gigs of RAM
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Thank you - I am interested in your one hour presentation on software and computer system setups. Please let us know how we can watch it.
Love you 💓
hey your video is very infomative! I want to ask how about the m1 pro?? do you think it will be sufficient for a home studio setup?
I love your videos. I have a question about purchasing a new computer. I am an opera singer and I bought a Apollo x4 and a late 2013 Imac 8G SSD 256. The plan was only to do my vocal recordings at home. That was 2 years ago. Today I got more into composing and I fell in love with that using the UAD Luna instruments. With 8 tracks and some plug ins my computer renders to 120 and begins to stutter - It doesn't love me anymore so I think it is time to get a new computer --- I was thinking about the Imac 2021 24 inch 16G and 1 terra...I also fel in love with the Albion One of Spitfire. When I make some compositions, some movie trailer work, writing a pop song for a client ect would this M1 computer do well for the work I want to use it for? Love to get some advice from you about this before I purchase the Imac and the Albion One...
Damn all this modern stuff is expensive. I've written 3 symphonies, and several other orchestral pieces. And I wrote my first symphony using a rig I bought like 20 years ago. I bought the first version of the full VSL library back then, and had part of it on an old PC that wasn't anything special. Mind you I couldn't use the entire orchestra on it, so didn't get to hear what my tune sounded like until I recorded each section individually and put all the stems together, after the composing process was complete. But I just used an old Mac G4 with DP3 and eventually DP5 on it. I still use an old G5 with DP5 to this day, hooked up to MOTU Timepieces and 828's. My 20 year old PC still does the VSL strings + percs, while another PC that's only 10 years old does the brass + ww's. Was thinking of getting a 4th computer to get the latest libraries so would probably just get a i7, 2TB solid state, 32GB RAM PC and just get a small MOTU Midi 5x in/out and cheap audio out. Idk anything about using ethernet; I've always had firewire, USB, or even SCUSI, via internal cards. Not worried about lag using USB - can't be worse than a 20 year old computer.
Could you take a studio tour?
How much ram required for composing orchestral music each orticulation
I see that you have the Apollo Twin. Is that USB or the Thunderbolt version? Do you have UAD Satellites for additional DSP?
great video ! I run-on two computers mac pro 2012 12 core with Samsung NVMe Raid as server and mac mini 2012. They are on macOS Mojave and i'm using VEP7 . I'm thinking about keeping mac pro for all the sound libraries and changing mac mini to new MacBook pro M1 Max . my mac pro can't go higher the Mojave so is it possible to run 2 computer set up with two different operating systems?
i think new Mac Studio will be a game changer
I have the "I am a composer," course. Does buying the orchestration course duplicate the other composer sourse? In other words, do I need both?
Hi,
How are you using your Stream Deck?
Thanks
Larry
You can easily build a Ryzen 7 pc with 64 gigs of RAM and 2x2 TB SSDs for just around 1k.
Thank you. This is 2 years old , computers change fast. Is an update possible?
Update is: New MacBook Pros and 13th gen Intel Pc laptops are smoking desktops from two years ago. With external NVME drives (some PC laptops have secondary internal NVME), you most likely don’t need VEP Pro.
What about a good computer for the daw, with an external usb harddisc connected to it for the samples etc? Is it possible?
And the Mac mini with m1 chip?
Is there a comprehensive guide on how to set up a multi computer setup? I really want to try that but haven't really found any tutorials on the subject. Also some questions I had, if the PC that is acting as a slave is less powerful than the host would that basically be pointless? Or would the host computer be taking over the processing?
Slave computer can just serve the sample library audio, and doesn’t need to be as fast as main computer. VSL has some guides on their channel for setup.
Which DAW is better for Movie scenes scoring?
Waching this video wearing my Byerdynamics DT990, that squeaky pen made me clutch my chest and throw my headphones off. Great video though.
I use an acer aspire i5 16gb RAM with an SSD and I having problems. I think I'm gonna go for an AMD
Nice video. So, at this moment I have I9 and 96 GB of RAM. Do I need upgrade the RAM to 128 for the film scoring? Hopefully for your answer. thanks 😊
No you don’t. If you use external ssd/nvme for libraries, you can reduce ram usage significantly. I have run 100+ track templates on 64GB.
Wow
Can you explain more about the PCie cards? I've searched for the UAD one, but it seems like it can only load UAD plugins? I just can't seem to find the right information about PCie cards.. I need a separate video on it..
Yes. UAD cards are just for UAD pugins. Soundgrid is just for Waves plugins. I just use either very efficient plugins or UAD ones when I'm composing. When I'm mixing I might use more CPU-intensive plugins but that's a different matter...
Use Reaper... with LCS Blue theme :)
Next freeze virtual instruments and render audio from them often. Just like 2002 - stop demanding to run ' LIVE' always on... all your VSTi synths, drums and pianos etc and FX... just stop doing that.
I avoided a laptop toy. Only get that after you've got a beast in the house.
NOTICE in terms of latency - PCI audio cards and the newer PCIe are electronic cards fit inside the PC into slots and are - lower latency than USB, than Firewire - and possibly Thunderbolt, I think I read that PCI is still faster RTL.
Try looking at even the older used RME PCI on ebay and, if you can afford it RME PCIe RME 9632 audio sound card converters 2 channel without DSP chips for on board FX processing ( DSP on the hardware is chips to create time based FX like reverb, delays or eq, compressors, taking load off the main CPU brain.)
If you insist on the PCIe more up to date you will obviously need the modern expensive motherboards and cpu and ram etc that matches...
Lower latency... the time it takes to hear audio in your ears, a sound generated after you have depressed a midi keyboard piano key by a virtual software instrument inside the computer, or sung into a microphone or played a guitar chord note direct into the card. Latency is the 'round trip' into the box and back out to ears.
I built in Decemeber 2020, to a tight budget and it is a rocket power horse the following: I still swear by an RME PCI 2 channel card, plenty of these cards available for £150.00 on line used - if you build an older based design using an Asus 97-c motherboard £100 used from China, and Intel i7 with hyperthreading 4790K cpu 4 core but shows up as 8 core (the i5 has no hyper threading), one single core runs at 4.0 gigahertz not overclocked. I do not overclock. This chip was still only 25% slower compared to the 9 or 10 series intel in my opinion use case scenarios, for a fraction of the cost of the modern chips and attendant modern architecture parts.
32 gigs RAM 1600 Ballistix Sport RAM and Noctua D15 cooler in a large 'wide' case, with ssd OS drive and 2nd Audio recording scratch drive WD Black will still do it and have a 3rd samples drive WD Blue is enough. I installed a fanless GPU with 2 gigs Geforce GT 1030 £67.
That spec is silent 99% of the time, can't hear fan noise with my 48v phantom powered condensor microphones.
For those of you who have money then obviously you can afford the latest multithread multicore chips at £500 odd for the cpu and £300 odd for the motherboard and £200 odd for the card plus silent Corsair power supply and noctua cooler...
I recommend then the modern PCIe RME card (not really noticeably better at £600 versus the older PCI card and the daughter boards for extra high quality 4x IN and OUT work with both. Most people not running studios needing to record many players at the same time use 2 channel adequately, add the 4x extra high quality converters via two expansion daughter board cards and if you really want to have more channels add the Audient Audient ASP800 - 8 Channel Mic Pre so you have 14 audio inputs audio.
I uses the astoundingly good Adam a7x monitors and truly under rated for audio I recommend my Beyer Dynamic DT150 cans as well as your other chosen closed back and open cans.
Essay ends ;)
@@robinspat wow that was alot of information... im building my new pc rn... so its the new 12generation intel cpu... and 64 gigs of ram...
I didn't understand what u said about the RME?.. is that a sound card?
Should note that VEP is not working great with Cubase 12 yet.
I know this video is old, but if you're going to suggest a server type processor, you do a disservice by NOT suggesting AMD. Consider this, before the Zen architecture was introduced in 2017, AMD had 6 of the top 500 super computers. As of June 2022, it is now 93 (including #1). AMDs higher end Thread ripper and EPYC processors run circles around Xeon. And the power:performance ratio annihilates them. Single core performance, however is an Intel stronghold.
You are 100% correct. Unfortunately, there's waaay too many folks stuck in their ways, 100% totally incapable of acknowledging anything other than what they've been using...primarily the 'ProTools/MAC' snob crowd. A stunning level of ignorance is displayed in this video in ignoring Threadripper/EPYC, and no doubt, when Zen4 Threadripper is released later this year it, too, will be ignored. Still, let the braindead do what they do. The rest of us...the intelligent...already know what to do.
I have Mac Pro laptop 2015 and I have Logic Pro and VE pro server but still I have problems with the RAM
How much RAM do you have?
I got a good deal on a dell optiplex 5070, im using this for film scoring
The specs, i7 9700k 3.6ghz
16gb ram ( will upgrade to 32 pretty soon and max is 64 so I will Install that )
500gb crucial m.2 nvme ssd
I am planning to hackintosh it and have a dual boot with windows 11 for protocols,
Do you think this will hold for orchestral scores with kontakt? 130 tracks? Planning to add another slave computer with audiogridder
Hi guys im new to music production, don’t understand the lingo....are these specs suitable ? MacBook Pro 15" (2017) - QWERTY -
Touch Bar - Retina - Core i7 - 3.1 GHz - SSD 512 GB - RAM 16GB
if you're going to do some very heavy orchestral music, which I doubt since you're new, no. For now it should do you fine, but later on you will need something much better.
@@AlbertKimMusic is 32gb ram enough ?
@@riven8701 Depends on your typical project sizes. For 15-30 tracks with not too many plugins, even 16 GB is considered enough, so 32 GB would be more than enough. For huge orchestral templates with thousands of high-res samples and multiple resource hungry plugins, some people need 64 GB, and professionals even need to crank that to 128 GB.
@@riven8701 32gb is plenty for average orchestral production, I only use 32gb for now. If you're willing to become a full fledged composer willing to write for TV or something straight out of your computer. You'll need to invest in some very high res samples which is very ram/cpu heavy so it could even use up 128gb + extra slave computers. You'll also need a really powerful cpu.
What controllers do you use?
My main controller is an old Evolution Ucontrol UC33e. I love it and I've used it for more than 20 years! :P Unfortunately it's discontinued but you can buy it used. The one that you see on the desk in this video is the B-Control BCF2000 though... (but I don't use it that much)
"The emperor has no clothes"... Macs are no longer THE obvious choice for AV production. Constant OS updates and architecture changes by Apple keep music hardware and software manufacturers (and of course, the end user musicians) getting left trying to piece things together or waiting for updates to make their tools work on the latest Mac hardware/OS. Meanwhile the same interfaces have been working just fine for 10+ years since Windows 7 on Windows platform, with more power under the hood for LESS money. Windows stability has also significantly improved over the years. The only real incentive for Mac is Logic, which is to be fair, a great DAW and an all-in-one in-the-box music production starter package.
I disagree that the only real incentive for Mac is Logic. I don't consider Logic an objective incentive at all, everything Logic does, Cubase/Nuendo can do (and that's coming from a Logic user). The only difference between Logic and other DAWs are the methods one must use to achieve said things, but they are equal in terms of capabilities. The only real incentive for choosing Mac nowadays is... subjective personal tastes. If someone just likes MacOS better, is used to Logic's workflow, and is fully into the Apple ecosystem (iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch, Apple TV, etc.), then choosing a Mac computer as a work tool makes sense... but there are no objective reasons to go with Mac. Most people (on both PC side and Mac side) shitting on other DAWs are just people not used to the other's workflow and won't be bothered to invest months in learning to use a new DAW (which is understandable).
hi marc. saw your video. whats a vepro??
Vienna Ensemble Pro - It's a software that allows you to host samples outside of your main DAW :)
Brilliant video, Marc. Thank you. I compose on a 2017 iMac, but I sound edit on an old 2007 Mac Pro that runs Pro Tools 10. I would very much like to upgrade the Pro so it can run Mojave etc. It already had an SSD system drive installed with 32GB RAM, but it's stuck on OS 10.7 Lion. Is there any way to upgrade these beautiful monsters?
You don't call a 12K $ Mac, who offers barely the same quality and features as a comparable 3K $ PC expensive? Well - how are the 9000 $ additional costs explained? It`s redicioulous.
May i ask what SPEED the ram running at?
2133 MHz
I imagine a apple M1
Please reply me