1000mm/s: RELAXED TESTING on Voron Ferrari!
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- čas přidán 19. 07. 2021
- I started with a V0.0 Kit from Aliexpress (now it's 0.1, which is better in any respect)*:
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LDO Voron V0.1 KIT (Caribou3D) bit.ly/3KBxqzL
Recommended Kits for bigger DIY printers:
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---------------Settings:
Filament: ESUN ABS+ - a great choice filament for strong parts and easy printing
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T_Hotend = 290C
T_Bed = 90C
Requested Speed: 1000mm/s
Acceleration: 35.000 mm/s²
square_corner_velocity: 15mm/s
Nozzle: 0.4mm
Layer Height: 0.1mm
Line width: 0.4mm
Volumetric flow: 40mm³/s
Lengths of straights: 65mm
Lengths of printing @ REAL 1000mm/s: 35mm
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******UPGRADES STAGE 1 on my Voron V0 - VIDEO DEEP DIVES and ANALYSES incoming:
For years now, I use BigTreeTech/BIQU products - very much recommended:
(I was sponsored with an Octopus Board V1.1, TMC2209, 70W Heater and PT1000 thermistor)
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-MOTION (Part 1: Video Deep Dive incoming)
Nema14 spec Voron V0.1 @1.7A (OMC 14HS20-1504S)
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F623 bearings instead of toothed idlers
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WD40 specialist dry lubricant for rails (PTFE)
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Gates-LL-2GT 6mm belts
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- EXTRUSION: (Part 2: Video Deep Dive)
Slice Engineering Mosquito Magnum (5% off!): www.sliceengineering.com?p=rkjO5IsbY
VolcoMosq Block (+9mm melt): • How did I end up with ...
E3D Hemera (Bowden config)
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Capricorn Bowden Tube
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PT1000 temp sensor
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Boron Nitride Paste @ heater, thermistor and heat break
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- COOLING (Part 3: Video Deep Dive)
4010 blower fans (24V), updated toolhead
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optimized air ducts for part cooling with aluminium tape insulation
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External Static Cooling: 4x4020 fans (24V)
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4x40mm heatsink at AB stepper motors
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2x 4020 / or 4010 fans (5V) at heat sinks (stepper motors)
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25mm axial fan (5V) for stepper drivers
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- Software / Firmware / Controllers (Part 4: Video Deep Dive):
Klipper
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Raspberry Pi Zero W (Mainsail)
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All details in the video description👍
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what heater did you use for the mosquito magnum
@@brimful-cookie5947 it’s a 50W heater cartridge here, but I am considering a more powerful one because of the external cooling
@@247printing thanks.
@@247printing i love your videos and im building a voron because of you.
@@brimful-cookie5947 wow thank you - gives me honest goosebumps reading that! You won’t regret the choice - I had so much fun and so many learnings with the Voron!
How to avoid warping: print the whole part before the bottom layer gets cold.
Indeed! Speed helps against warping - don’t give a chance to internal stresses of the part 😬 - print at „warping speed“😂
@@247printing I know, that's the whole point of the comment. It's funny because it's true.
@@alphastratus6623 we agree! Thanks for commenting !
How about "super glue." Works for me. Print on glass so you can scrape it off but glue your part down in about 4 to 6 places. It's worth it.
@@DardanelleNews I stopped using adhesive stuff since I use structured or PEI coated spring steel on magnets. But for glas it’s perfect indeed! 3Dlac was my go to here - perfect adhesion, you don’t need much and you can remove it with water 👍
This is a good illustration of how the client imagines the 3D printing process.
Because it’s a so called „rapid“ prototyping process 😬
@@247printing its True tho even ať 25mm/s its still way faster than making a form
@@DreainCZE absolutely! And for single rapid prototyping parts on design iterations it totally makes sense to have a fast printer
That's true!!! Jajaja
i expect this 5 kilo print in like half an hour
Sir, you should't feed your printer meth.
Straight up tweeking on the small coverage.
you need an aerodynamic nozzle, the wind drives strongly and creates resistance)))
Just print in full vaccum...
@@Wingnut353 that would suck for materials that need to be in a heated chamber
@@louiscrespo1280 I think opposite. Without air, no convection for heat loss from part. Flip side -- no cooling at all...
@@traviswatson6527 Water cooling
@@L3X369
I wonder what materials would respond well to water sprayers for print cooling.
Vector: i have the fastest 3D printer, with odrive bldc motors
This guy: hold my klipper firmware
Thanks for this comment! Would you like to tell me who Vector is? Edit: Found him - I like this channel 😍
@@Lucas_sGarage I check it thanks a lot mate!
You rang?
How to put 10 years of wear on your printer in 1 min lol. But seriously, this is awesome!
Thanks man! The wear isn’t dramatic - I used the Voron Zero for 3 months now on the limit and it’s still in very good condition 😊
Why would there be any wear ? I mean, linear guides and belts can handle way more then this :) hihihi nice one anyway.
The problem with high speed is the stiffness of the structure and the cinematic control (resonance, etc).
Have you notice any strange behavior at these speeds ?
Have you an example of the surface quality you manage to get at those speeds, acc and jerk parameters ? :)
@@foufou81 I’ll upload a full print and showcase at those parameters this weekend - if I am lucky this could be the 1000subs @ 1000mm/s special print 😍
@@247printing this is awesome, guess I'll be your 981st subscriber then
@@DeltaCodex very very cool, thank you!
We need this to run vase mode printings just going in circles at max speed.
Would be interesting to see, I’ll try it out, but shouldn’t be harder then this print 😊
Those stepper motors must have some high accuracy!
Bronze and black looks great
Most insane thing I've seen in years. Kudo's man!
Oh thanks mate! That’s really nice to hear… there is a lot more to come!
Holy mother of God! That's fast💯💪😆I luv it!
This reminds me of a soldering integrity lesson I once taught my employees a while back. Excellent job on your soldering integrity!
An awesome anecdote, I really enjoyed it! Thanks for that! Proper wiring, soldering and crimping is absolute key for reliability - I also had to learn it the hard way! Lots of failures!
How awkward would it have been if it snapped off and broke one of their noses? not going to lie if my boss whipped something heavy like that past my face it would end up around his neck.
@@labemolon5739 "But you wouldn’t work for me without a psych evaluation and background check and that type of behavior would have been identified in the background check by an ex or a relative."
Now contrast that with what you said earlier.
"I asked my employees to gather round a close circle. I then grabbed some wires and started spinning the sensor around fast enough to hear it whipping by and spun it in front of all their faces and yelled"
And...
"I anticipated it to break. Same belief as in “don’t pull out a gun unless you intend to shoot it”."
It is clearly obvious that despite your loyalty to your staff you still have no problem putting them into degrading situations as if you have somehow gained (or purchased) the right to put another person in that situation...I can say for sure is that it wouldn't matter if you "paid my mortgage" or let me smoke pot during my break, I would not let you do that to me because I have some pride. If you think it's acceptable to abuse your power like that then don't be surprised if someone abuses you back in another way. It's common sense.
@@ChimpyChamp just enjoy 3d printing 👍🏻
Imagine what huge effect such approach would have in schools!!! If teacher gets a whip, and start asking question, using the whip as response to wrong answers!
Waaaait a minute...
This is so unreal..!! Great job man 🤗
Thanks man!
this scares me, but it's amazing
You might consider upgrading those belts with metal guides and ball bearings before they explode, but amazing anyway. Very cool.
Thanks a lot man!
Wooo this is nice! Great job!
Thank you!
It took me a while to figure out, that this is not sped up....
Good job - i am starting to get a bit jealous.
Talk about Breaking Wind!!!😳 I was expecting a Sonic Boom to happen at ANY MOMENT!!!💥💥💥
This would be so awesome... 343200 mm/s :D
at the final part it sounded like bossa nova.. I like it!
So relaxed!
no need for part cooling fan! 😁
Waouh ! Impressionnant !
Printer Goes BRrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
omg, this is insane.... well done!
Thanks Daniel 🤩
When the slicing software has to correct for Gforce 😂.
True! Thanks to resonance calibration on the firmware!
Let's set a new goal! The speed of light! It looks like is close to!
Nice job!
Thanks a lot :) I try to hit it :D
Holy mother of speed... its on speed for real!!
This is insane!
This is sick
WHAT IS THIS MADNESS
Amazing and very impressive!
Thanks buddy!
Deine Videos laufen bei mir immer doppelt so schnell ab XD
Das kenne ich - beim bearbeiten komme ich kaum mit!
Now thats what i call rapid prototyping
С АБС не возникает проблем на высоких скоростях? У ПЛА на 150 мм/с и выше уже появляются значительные дефекты (местные разрывы, общая шероховатость)
*relaxed printing*
printer: I AM SPEED
200,000 units are ready, with a million more well on the way
Not everyone gets Clone Wars references :-)
Nice! I'm making progress on my inkjet dc encoder motor 3dp. It's fast, but loud when converting step/dir to the encoder/pid because it needs to brake to avoid overshoot every tick.
Do you use encoders? Geared down? How do you avoid noisy braking?
You can see the videos on my channel.
I’ll have a look, sounds very interesting! I am using Nema14 motors on tmc2209 stepper drivers here - really not fancy in comparison to what you are on to!
Epoxy cement base and fill inside of entire frame for greatly improved vibration dampening
Nice idea, I’ll think about that!
Damping, not “dampening”
@@landsurfmarin Autocorrect lol
man, i really wish these vibrations were slightly, unpleasantly wet
Is it possible to print clean supports with such a speed?
Please make a speed benchy on this machine.
Incoming… will be really fast!
Do this please I just subbed 👍👌
I plan to publish the video on sunday 😬 it will be a loud print, it will be quite ugly and it will be the fastest on record 🙊 Also working on the fastest quality benchy on this machine - definitely clearly below 10min 😬
@@247printing looking forward to watching it !
So looking forward to this! Subbed...
I wanna see this thing in vase mode! Incredible!
Thanks mate! I did some testing on printing 1100mm/s on vase mode - have a look at the Shorts video I uploaded! There is going to be uploaded a 1000mm/s full print (vase mode included!) this weekend 😬
Imagine how fast vase mode would be
Edit: watched the whole print and it actually is in vase mode
You don’t have to imagine - you can watch it - it’s crazy! Please have a look at my other videos ☺️
Thanks!
¡Qué bestia! Muy buena máquina, ¿cómo calibras todo para llegar a esa velocidad?
¡Muchas gracias! Lo explicaré pronto en una serie de videos, pero será en inglés.
One step closer to the star trek replicator - Looks absolutely insane 🤪👏 .... but I wonder what the surface quality will be like!?
Exactly this! I hope we’ll see the Replicator in our life time! I’ll upload a full print video with quality check in the weekend 😊
You should turn your slicer to "vase mode" if it's 1 wall build (preventing stop, direction change and may be micro nozzle motion on each layers)
Yeah, I tried two walls for that video. Full print of that - Vase Mode part of That - This evening right here!
@@247printing you can still use vase mode with parts that have thick walls. There is a video of a guy explaining it.
The key is you have to take into account the thickness of the nossle and "draw" the route almost complete with a cut-in of just 2 thicknesses (one inbound, one outbound) so you go to the interior perimeter, then modify the interior perimeter to do several trips just near the outer wall to the thickness of the nossle.
It creates a very stiff print and is going to be fast on this printer.
@@eddypdeb the limiting factor on thick walls printed on Vase Mode is the throughput of the extrusion system at that speed. With my high flow config (mosquito magnum with long heater block) I am quite on the limit doing 0.1mm layer height, 0.4mm single wall at 1000mm/s. I recently uploaded a Vase Mode preview on this. From calculation it would be possible to do a 0.8mm thick wall at 500mm/s. Which still would be fast, but not 4 digits fast 😊
wow... great video! what motors and firmware are you using?? and belt is gt2?
Please have a look at the description 😊
How do you print without stoping the nozzel? Like in spiral
Insane, im using a FF Creator Pro and it cant print precise when going over 40/50
Right? I'm like, "Man, I can't get prints this nice at 45mm/s dammit."
This is insane
DUDE! AWESOME!
You are awesome! I dig your nickname!
Wondering about the print quality. Can you show any final print ?
The model I was printing was quite good, I am planning to do another water tight ducky pool at this speed like the last one 😊
Does this affect print quality?
What about the lifespan of the printer?
Awesome video
Print quality: Yes, definitely! Please consider this as a feasibility study :) Lifespan: The printer is 3.5months old. I am not able to judge the lifespan yet, but so far the wear in relation to the torturing is negligible!
Don't have a 3d printer but this reminds me of the brother pr670 embroidery machine just a lot slower
really impressive I like it very much. This is how fast all FDM printers should be. I just think that the fans can keep up with the fast vibrations for a long time.
And a big disadvantage is that the Voron V0 only has 120mmx120mm. Unfortunately😔
The size of the V0 is both advantage and disadvantage. I consider it as a "secondary printer" :)
Sweet momma! Hey, do you still have to slow way down on the 1st layer?
😬 yes I do, when going fast I am between 20-50% of the default printing speed - it was 250mm/s here. Maybe I upload the full print of this so you can see all layers.
@@247printing Yes please upload the full print man :)
@@OZtwo it’s coming, my V0 is disassembled atm and a want to do a #speedboatrace benchy first - this is going to be „quite“ fast 😬
Can you share with me the printer.cfg please? I am interested what setting you are using for motor x and y motors. When I am trying to go over 300mm/s with 10K accel on my voron vo, i have a big layer shift. I am using LDO kit with LDO motors.
Hey Anton, unfortunately there is or could be a lot more involved than my printer.cfg. You can have it for sure, but printers are not comparable and maybe it’s a better to chat in the speedboatrace discord about this 👍
Hit the palm of your hand in the water. Even though the filament is already liquid, there comes a time when it meets resistance like your hand hitting the water. how did you solve this? I tried to print at high speeds but there comes a time the nozzle do not work. Greetings from Brazil.
Greetings to Brazil! This is a very complex topic and I get your point… What makes a difference is a longer melting zone like a mosquito magnum with a volcano style block (see Nitrams volcomosq), higher temperatures than usual (280C to 320C) and material choices (Esun ABS+ is very good for these speeds). Concerning fluid dynamics I can’t really explain if there is an impact-like analogy like you stated. I assume speeds (Pressure Advance moves or Retracts) are not comparable here. Maybe Nitram joins this conversation - I ask him!
IMPRESSIVE!
Max, YOU are impressive! Thanks for commenting 👍
Any chance you can just drop a BOM so I can go buy exactly everything? Lol! I want it now!
Coming soon! Still testing the designs and components. But you can start building your Voron Zero at vorondesign.com
Rayos 😦 me quedé impresionado
Jesus, I can see the belts flexing on the longer bits on the sides. Is there some kind of strengthened belt that resists that kind of flexing at super high back-and-forth speed stuff? Might be able to push it farther without issues if so.
Thanks I’ll look at that!
bless the rounded corners
No problem to do square corners! I liked the effect of the tool head rushing out to the fast straights when doing solid infills :)
@@247printing pretty spectacular! what acceleration values do you achieve?
i just wonder how long those steppermotors and the belt will handle that speed ^^
That's something time will show! Up today - 3 months of excessive use - no signs of wear so far! Motors are actively cooled.
What kind of belts are you using that can handle that kind of inertial forces?
You find a link to the gates belts in the video description ☺️ no problem so far as the motion system is kind of light weight
I read a comment where someone said the thing should become aerodynamic because it's moving too fast.
To one up that, what if it was in a vacuum chamber?
I am not really sure it aerodynamics have an effect here. From what I know you have to go speeds at around 100-120km/h to have negative effects from air drag. But I am no expert :)
how did you manage to increase the print speed while maintaining the quality??
IDDQD
Its gotta a nice rhythm.
Absolutely true - I love fast FDM music!
amazing, can this be one on PLA though and is it quiet, like around 50db? thanks!
Thank you! Printing PLA at that speed in combination with quiet operation is challenging as PLA needs a lot of cooling 😢
How I though my printer would print when I bought it about 6 years ago.
Same for me… the result was quite disappointing 🙊 but tech is here to go faster now
Those wires look like me on a floaty while my dads driving the boat
Initially that was a work in progress video for the speedboat community - cable sleeves are a must here. But I like the picture a lot you described 😂
if you try to put it in a vacuum chamber to reduce friction with the air, and use mineral oil to cool the hotend and the motherboard, but I have no idea how to cool the part itself
Oh man, I love thinking about topics like these! Thanks for inspiring!
Air friction is not an issue.
@@truantray oks sorry :-/
what about making a full concentric infill ?! It will have less vibrations
Good idea, I’ll try out!
@@247printing or set the parameter of layers of side walls up until it's complete made out of side walls.
@@alphastratus6623 also a possibility! I have to admit: I liked the effect of the toolhead cornering out to the long y straights when printing the solid infills for the first two layers - but I’ll try out those suggestions for the full print video
After watching all these Voron speed tests, I understand why youtube is now recommending the woodpecker on metal videos.
Insane.
How much was the total build cost?
Okay but can I get a walkthrough? I have a printer, but other than just telling it to go faster (and risk the print failing) I dont know what to do. Everything is evolving so fast. I love it but its hard to keep up for a hobby I can sometimes get to after work.
Stay tuned! I am intensively working on a series „Deep Dive to Speedprinting“: Motion, Extrusion, Cooling and Software (Firmware/Slicer) - that’s going to be huge and still a lot to do, but it’s coming for sure ☺️
Yup I want one
Go for it! The kits (aliexpress, see video description) are getting better and better!
what linear rails did you use
Hi sir , is it original voron zero can go to that speed ?
Hey Sir! An original Voron needs some tuning and custom parts to achieve this - I’ll show soon! It’s always best to start with a default configuration before heavy tuning.
There must be an infill process with less 'jerk' and unnecessary acceleration, right? Elegant path handling seems like a must at these speeds. I've never written my own slicer, so...
To be fair, I don't think any of the current popular slicing programs are designed to handle anything like those speeds. Infill is typically designed for structural integrity first and foremost, rather than compensating for a print head zipping around like a squirrel on meth. I'd expect once machines running at these speeds become more common, we'll see something purpose built to accommodate them.
Right? Like some sorta slicing process that creates a more elongated and stretched gyroid fill. Little less jerky, still plenty durable.
This is amazing. How does this even work?
Extremely buff hamsters on wheels.
It's all about the volume of liquid plastic in the hot end and the flow rate possible.
С такой скоростью даже обдув не нужен - потоком от осей отлично охладит :)
I can only imagine my Devon rex around this thing
Wow, that's pretty impressive.
You are impressive!
I'm building a 2m printer and I've got to be able to hit these speeds as a matter of practicality. Nice to know it's an achievable objective.
@@Unmannedair ok. That’s impressive! You should have enough room to accelerate to this speed and more. I bet you’ll do good motor choices and opt for 48V - no problem to reach 1200-1500mm/s!
@@247printing yeah if the heater can keep up with it. Problem is it's only easy to hit those speeds in a straight run on a straight part, if you're trying to do detail on that kind of scale there's massive acceleration problems. I'm pretty sure I'm going to have to create some custom slicer code in order to deal with some of those issues. I was also thinking about shooting for 72 volts because it's an industrial standard and it's easy to find power supplies for that voltage. I'm definitely going to need heat sinks on my stepper motors, LOL
There are viable options to achieve the speed/acceleration, extrusion and the cooling. Weight is a topic on your big printer - gantry has to be designed as light weight as possible. And there is the motor topic. Big servos could be a choice for you. Concerning extrusion, a Mosquito Magnum Plus would be up to the heating (up to 100W) and extrusion rates you need for high speeds. The cooling should not be a problem on a printer aimed at big size prints! What are your plans on the project ? I am really interested!
3D.-1D Printing. The dimension subtracted is time!
This!
I don't know why but I can't stop laughing ahaha love it
Only uses pellets and a filament extruded. I’d like to see a 1.2mm nozzle on this.
Also a 2’x4’ printer would benefit from this a ton.
sounds like a slowmotion sound effect :D
I can’t even imagine what went Into making this thing print this fast. Your settings must be a pain to trouble shoot. What are are you printing with and how hot? Not even gonna try this with my printers
It was a lot of fun while learning and yeah… spent lot of time in designing/testing and parameter variation for the settings ☺️ it’s ABS+ at 300C/105C - more details in the description 👍 thanks a lot for commenting 😍
How fast can you print?
Yes.
Oh yes 😍
How hot were the steppers after it was done?
They are actively cooled here (two 4010 fans at 5V) - they stay quite cool (40-50C) at 1.7A
What temp do you have the hot end? Must be melting it so fast
It's at 290C, with the custom heater block (volcomosq by Nitram) no problem with fast melting :) More details in the description :)
Love the speed but i Wonder what the precision on the part is. I highly doubt that the holes in prints like this Will be the correct size
I agree, but „requested speed“ is normally not reached when printing curves or small holes. That’s the usual slicing/firmware parameter game between acceleration / jerk / junction deviation / square corner velocity. For straights or travel moves these speeds make sense and can be reached.
wow! that's fast
Thank you! More incoming :)
Awesome
Sounds like a laser gun :D cool video
This is the best description for the sounds here! Pew Pew!
Awesome..!
god that's fast.. i can't imagine the state of the belts after some days of printing :O
They are performing really well!
Wait that's made to perform like that?!