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How Accurate is FGO's Jeanne d'Arc?
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- čas přidán 12. 08. 2024
- How well does Fate/Grand Order portray Jeanne d'Arc? How close is Jeanne's in-game version to her historical counterpart? In this video we delve into her character design, in-game skills, and characterization in order to determine that, followed up by giving it a grade in terms of its historical accuracy. Was Jeanne d'Arc truly an inspirational figure that could rally allies together towards a common cause? Find out here!
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Gameplay footage comes from the mobile game Fate/Grand Order.
Maps are from Google Maps or Wikimedia.
Artwork consists of Classical Pieces of Art created since the historical events described, chiefly works in the public domain from the 18th and 19th century.
Animated footage is from two sources: Fate/Apocrypha (2017) by A-1 Pictures, and Fate/Grand Order: Final Singularity-Grand Temple of Time: Solomon (2021) by Cloverworks. Animated footage from either of these sources are labeled by their source in the top left corner whenever such footage is used.
Music:
Fukutsu no Kakugo
Fate/Grand Order Babylonia & Solomon Original Soundtrack
Keita Haga, Ryo Kawasaki
2022
Disc 2, Track 18
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00:00 Intro
00:29 Class
01:13 Character Design
03:05 Skillset
05:12 Noble Phantasm
07:22 Improving Jeanne's Kit
08:59 Craft Essence
09:23 Apocrypha Characterization
10:21 FGO Characterization
13:18 Conclusion
13:51 Final Grade
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The sword is also a thing, really nice ! Back in her prosecution she said she was not a saint and i suppose Type moon read some piece of text on her psychology. One other thing funny is that Jeanne alter avenger is a good hearted person even if she is violent. Because Gilles de Rais could not think of Jeanne as a bad person.
Well when it comes right down to it, Jeanne is so pure-hearted that even when her alternative form is consumed by rage enough to not forgive those who betrayed her... it's still a righteous anger which stops short of anyone who isn't the focus of said anger. Jeanne Alter still struggles with the general hatred that most Avengers have to deal with but her base nature is such that she's far less likely to direct that hatred towards innocents.
What’s funny is that Jeanne Alter is also a bit more accurate than Jeanne even is.
Jeanne liked cannons. Like, a lot. Big boom booms. She also could have quite a temper, such as when she would chase hookers out of the camp with a sword.
This is another part of the reason why I wish she had more offensive buffs. Jeanne didn't really do defense.
So basically...
Bitches LOVE canons?
@@CrazyYuriejeanne in the ancestor of Leeroy Jenkins
@@CrazyYurie good news on that front!
Chasing prostitutes away from camps with a sword was based. Should be reflected more in her fate representation
Eh, it might be a bit too puritanical.
11:53
Jalter being smug is beautiful
the skill "true name revelation" is a skill every ruler is supposed to have as a passive which allows them to know the true name of any servant they look at.
You know it didn’t even occur to me just how weird her helmet design is until you pointed it out. I do kind of wish FGO would add more of the older events as permanently playable, because I don’t actually know anything about Summer Jeanne beyond the memes and a few cameos in later events.
I started playing this gamey in June 2021, with my first event being Gudaguda 4. This means that I managed to also get to play the rerun of Summer 3, which is where Summer Jeanne debuted. I also got two of her in the rolls - later two more, making her one of my strongest Archers. Anyway.
She's a Manga artist together with Marie, which ties into the main plot of Summer 3, which involves a convention in Hawaii where lots of servants are trying to get the most sales of their own Mangas. If memory serves, it is actually among the best of the Summer events. Oh, and the welfare servant is Summer Jalter.
Here is a video that has the whole story in one big chunk, if you are interested: czcams.com/video/sHE2Vs_IfyY/video.htmlsi=WIkg6EDXVswfzGIV
Hey, I notice you forgot about Jeanne’s appearance as a Lancer in Fate/Samurai Remnant, and how it contrasts with the other 2 forms of Jeanne we know (Ruler and Avenger). It shows us 2 things not mentioned here:
1. Jeanne is utterly incorruptible. Even when her summoning is tampered with, she herself is not fundamentally changed, further emphasising that Jeanne Alter is indeed a fantasy even within Fate.
2. La Pucelle can be activated from a distance, which doesn’t matter all that much but is pretty cool.
I don’t think this changes much, but ig it is worth mentioning.
I don't have Fate/Samurai Remnant, so I don't know what is in that game. I'm completely broke. :(
The part about "Jeanne being incorruptable" is quite sketchy given how Shakespeare broke her using his NP as well as Ruler's 3rd interlude where Jalter and Mephistopheles construct a scenario that would lead to the possibility of an alternate Jeanne being summonable possible. Plus, its hard to call true Jalter in FSR "corrupted" given how she wishes for Chiemon to find salvation while still having no wish for the grail herself. That and Apocrypha has a lot of screw-ups with her character like the part about her not being able to fall in love and how Revelations are used.
@@rebelblade7159 Incorruptible in terms of her faith and ideals, I mean. And yes, even in these circumstances she isn’t corrupted, thus showing she is incorruptible.
@@giladmachluf3663Shakespeare does manage to break apart her ideals but then again, her Apocrypha iteration isn't exactly in character by the end of the story. That and her Samurai Remnant version is more accurate given what FGO description says about her not abandoning her master even if they were a wicked person.
I'd say jeanne's third skill represnts more her fate lore as a ruler who has command spells that can stop enemy servents rather than anything from her history
The funny thing is how salter refers jalter is a pretty accurate description of her war tactics
A Mad Dog? Jeanne was noted as being quite aggressive, which did throw people off a bit. She was also noted as being able to make good use of cannon, which was a pretty new weapon at that point. It was a case of the amateur doing unconventional things, since Jeanne was not taught the "proper" way of doing things.
Bro... Are you Nostradamus, the voice of god? You literally called Jeanne's update, they stole your whole flow word for word, bar for bar!
Oh shit, you're right! I heard Jeanne got an upgrade, but I hadn't looked at it just yet because, since I'm NA, that's two years away. That's a great buff for her! :D
This guy: Give jean la pucelle so she makes a big ass explosion which makes a lot of damages but kills her.
Arash: Yo, stealing my moves too!!!
Cheng gong: Nice self destruction is the way to go :)
I really should have included those two in the comedy bits I made for that part of the video. Oops. XD
The "d' " in "d'Arc" is actually a liaison of "de" which translates to "of". That's where we get the English name "Joan of Arc", a literal translation of Jeanne d'Arc. You might have already learned this though, since it has been exactly a month since you posted this. Regardless, I've been binging your content and it's really informative and interesting. Is there a chance you could look at Salieri?
Edit: did not realize you had already done Salieri. Maybe Hans would be a good one?
Nice video. Just wanted to mention one thing; her True Name Discernment and Divine Judgement skills are just class skills of the Ruler class (Amakusa has the same skills since they both originated in the same book, and not in FGO)
Jeanne d'Arc was a young girl who was actually extremely intelligent and charismatic, if not hot-tempered. I think we should have the strongest attacking servant ever...
Also, I think making a more insecure Jeanne would be a side to her interesting to explore. She was only 19 at the time of her death. The most touching moment of her life, at least to me, was that during the coronation of king Charles, her father was pleasant, and that realistically, she wasn't the one to hold the banner because she was a woman, but would have been in the crowd. And I think it's a much happier thought imagining her reconcilling with her father and giving him a hug than holding that banner. Also, when in Donremy, she actually had plans to marry a boy, who ended up suing her for breaking her promise when she left for her mission. I think Jeanne d'Arc sacrificed would could be a normal life for her to embrace greatness, at the cost of family relations.
I think this more vulnerable, insecure side of her would have been interesting to explore, from a story telling perspective. Also, like, this super badass girl being deep inside still an insecure teenager who with a heartbreaking break up and who wants hugs from her dad underneath extreme bravery and power would be so touching and cute.
this is a great series, hope to see more 'em
Thanks! I'm working on them as I can! :D
A few things; La pucelle is her NP in Extella. Thankfully you can revive her with a command spell.
True name relevation, or true name discernment as its also known, is actually not a skill tied to Jeanne herself; it comes with her Ruler class. It lets a war's active ruler see the True Name of servants in the war.
Interestingly enough the headgear both versions of Jeanne wear is very similar to the one worn by Kushana from Nausicaa Valley of the Wind. Theres probably a hidden meaning or homage there, but im not sure of it
I could be wrong but I think “Divine Judgement” skill is ment to represent the command seals she gets as a Ruler class
Congrats, You have earned yourself a new subscriber! Very excited to see more from you!
Thanks! I just released Moriarty, so I hope you like that one too!
I like your breakdown cuz u break down every skills and the servant own unique skills and why they are special for this servant. Hope u do more of this. I only play the game but never do any lore studying so my knowledge is oh this servent hit hard so they are good but not knowing why each servant is special in some way.
Thanks! Also it is very much the plan to make more! The next one is already well underway!
True Name Discernment is a Ruler specific skill for the Intended purpose of Rulers in standard Holy grail wars. As the mediator, she is given the information of other servants to have the advantage against rule breakers. The NP strength down is from knowing a servants name giving you an understanding of thier possible NP/skills, but its not always a critical skill. In Fate Extella she loses to Nameless, because knowing Emiya's name doesn't give any advantage against him since he has no famed strengths or myth based weakness to exploit.
Anyway as I said before in the Marie video, the character materials that are separate of the game explain stuff better of skill andd their effect in lore plus explain a lot, I wonder if u gonna include them since they usually have stuff like comment from the designer and such and if u are wandering they are almost all translated on r/grand order u just need to search iirc complete character material or character material translation along thoose lines to find them. Also nice video as usual
I keep forgetting that those Character Materials bits exist, since they are more obscure and not readily announced. x_x
@@CrazyYurie if u want i can go look em up and I can give a direct link to the page
@@federicofilippini6780 If you are up for doing that, then sure! Otherwise I can dig them up myself later.
@@CrazyYuriedammit I can’t seem to manage to post the link cause CZcams seems to auto delete my comment but there is a correction I need to make u can find the fully translated materials in R/FGOGuide not r/grandorder there is where it has the full list of all of them
I would like like to see a saber jeanne
Yeah, as others have stated, her Divine Judgement skill is a representation of the Command Spells that typically come with being a Ruler class Servant.
Trying to avoid religious symbols on a Saint is a 5 head move, so I would not be shocked to discover it's something marketing cooked up, yes
5 head?
@@CrazyYurie Term for intelligent but in a mocking way, I may have misused it
@@Ilanon1569 I've just never heard it before. :o
Well about JESUS and the two angels, Mordred has virgin Mary on her shield or surfboard, just like Arthur had in the very first Arthurian legend, historia Britton, I think.
Gotta re-evaluate Jeanne for getting offensive buffs lol. Also the part where "Why is she so tanky?" comes from parts how she would tank hits from attacks such as arrows or the famous part about her character when she jumped out a tower to escape the enemy. So basically she did fight in the war herself and suffered heavy injuries without dying
It's mentioned in Orleans that Jeanne had her stats lowered because she had been summoned into a time where she had just died not so long ago so all the buffs a servant gets through history recognition or land, her parameter's are low and doesn't have her abilities she'd normally have as a Ruler. So that certainly plays a part for her Fate side of psychical strength
I'm not going to worry about that for a while.
Hot take: I like her relationship with Sieg in Apocrypha
Bwa?!?
@@CrazyYurie I know, but honestly, some of the highlights of Apocrypha were seeing those two. IDK, I just found them cute
@@seraph_dalgon_9216 Jeanne is cute. I'll give you that one. :3
BURN THE HERETIC
How can this video have more likes than views? I’m confused
What do you mean? I currently see it at 3,630 views and 210 likes.
Answer: I don't know.
I'm going to check with "Age of Empires II" and repeat the Joan of Arc and Attila the Hun campaigns to get an answer.
Wha? Answer to what? I mean, that is a pretty good game... :o
@@CrazyYurie It was a little joke. Although the truth is that "Age of Empires II" helped me a little to recognize several Servants by their names and historical inspiration. Sure, the "Age of Empires II" campaigns weren't 100% Lore accurate, but they do give a clear idea of who this historical figure was and his/her exploits (e.g. Joan of Arc)
I have acquaintances who recognized several Servants from FGO because they played "Age of Empires II" in their childhood or adolescence.
And well..... sometimes I like to imagine what those "Age of Empires II" campaigns would be like, but FGO version (that is, using Servants that represent the playable faction and the enemy factions of each campaign). Honestly, it would give meme-worthy or somewhat funny situations due to the interactions between factions that occur in "Age of Empires II" and its expansions.
@@brunosanto3488 You know, that's not a bad idea at all. And actually, I too played AoE2 during my adolescence. It is what first got me into history. ^_^
@@CrazyYurie It would be a fun separate section for the channel where the "Age of Empires II" campaigns are reinterpreted/reimagined but with Servants that have appeared in Fate/FGO, where a Servant represents each Faction that appears in each Mission of each Campaign (since, well, your playable Faction usually faces 3 or more enemy Factions per Mission)
Although of course, it would be difficult to recreate some "Age of Empires II" Campaigns with Servants from Fate/FGO since we do not have some characters from the Campaigns as Servants (there would come the issue that an existing Servant would be a good replacement according to the Campaign and the Historical Context)
Either way! Keep up the good work to see how 100% Lore Accurate the Servants in FGO are when compared to their real-life counterparts!
@@brunosanto3488 There is also the issue that a good number of the AoE2 civs have no servants whatsoever that could actually represent them. The Mongols, Koreans, Turks, and Goths, to name just a few.
i broke your 444 subscriber count, ha!
Well that's ok. I'd like more anyway! XD
She getting f### 😭
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@@CrazyYurie flip
"Why it gives critical stars"
Because the mobile game needs it to do something
The effects of the skills in gameplay arent relevent to what they do in lore
Mmm... I'm not so sure about that. As I continue through more and more of these servants, there clearly was some thought put into what skills do what.