Sir Dermot Turing about Polish codebreakers' efforts in breaking the Enigma code | CYBERSEC 2018
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In other words, Turing stood on the shoulders of Polish geniuses who slaved away to figure out enigma, and only Turing gets the glory.
Thank you for telling the truth!
This type of thing is incredibly damaging to an Englishman's ego
Marian Rejewski - Genius :) Turing takes too much glory. Rejewski cracked the Enigma before anyone.
The Enigma was broken in 1932 by three Polish mathematicians: Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski, who were employed by the Polish military Cipher Bureau. The first Polish copy of the military version of "Enigma" was built in the "Ava" factory in Warsaw in 1933. The process of putting the elements together took place in Pyry near Warsaw. From then on, Poles could read German military correspondence. In 1939, Poland handed over the Enigma documentation to the British.
Enigma is the coding machine, it is not a code, codes could only be broken by recognising an operator error and/or obtaining code books that had certain settings for set time periods of time. The German army/navy/airforce all used different codes. The German high command used a different system with a different coding machine.
@@Teapot69 On December 31, 1932, Polish mathematicians: Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Różycki and Henryk Zygalski broke the Enigma cipher. Cryptologists working at the headquarters of the Cipher Bureau of Branch II in the Saxon Palace in Warsaw jointly built a working copy of the device a year later. Polish intelligence read German messages from 1932 to 1938, when the Polish intelligence services handed over Enigma to the British intelligence services. These are facts confirmed by historical documents. You can't change it, no matter what you come up with.
And once again we learn that for Poles cooperation is not good
Were they agnostic jews?
@@kittykatzcenteno7160 polish arent jewish
The Brits, we all, owe a huge debt to Poland for its courageous contributions to the Allied war effort. In the end they were under appreciated and betrayed. Thank God they’re on our side again.
The polish contribution to the defeat of the axis powers was probably about 0.01%.
@@Teapot69So in essence, you're saying that the events that occurred at Bletchley park amounted to 0.01% of the total war efforts?
@HowDoYouUseSpaceBar yes, they saved about 50 to a hundred merchant ships from being sunk but mostly just confirmed was already thought or believed. They never sunk a single u boat, the u boats were defeated with more escorts/with aircraft and more patrol planes, and more and better weapons and technology. The only ones who claim otherwise are the ones who worked at bletchley far from any combat.
@HowDoYouUseSpaceBar so you assume by your question you claim 1000% of the credit for German codes being broken. So tell me in ww2 just how many coded messages were decoded by the poles out of what must have been more than a million. . . even one????
This is just another example of the polish bigging themselves up and saying look we won the war for the allies.
100% before you make another snide comment.
Rough diamond but it just needed a little Polish. 😊
The polish computer was where?
W dupie
1. Polish codbreakers were the first.
2. The German developed the enigma more strong in 1939 and the Polish industrial background and the near War stopped to follow the work.
The Polish could show their allies (France and UK) the enigma can be broken and the bomba idea was given to London and Paris.
3. The British had to follow the Polish direction with bigger industrial background, with more people and with Turing.
From the Kepler's rules Newton found the gravitation, from the Maxwell's rules Einstein found the special relativity and from the Polish codebreakes ..................
Nonsense
The mathematicians that cracked the first (three-wheeled) Enigma was educated in a German middle school.
He used his knowledge of Germans, more than his knowledge of the German language, to make an educated guess as to how a particular message starts.
He used social engineering.
Were they agnostic jews?
@@kittykatzcenteno7160 are you an agnostic Jew?
@@kittykatzcenteno7160not sure what you're getting at, but the Jewish population in the city where the cracking originally took place there were very few Jews in 1930's.
No way
Both countries couldn't do without eachother. England couldn't do without Polish algorithms, and just those algorithms on their own without Turings fenomenal computational ideas would have been too complex for just human brains to solve. The Polish algorithms were created after studying the primitive version of the Enigma. After the Germans upgraded the Enigma, just humans using those algorithms would not able to solve it. This is where Turing comes in.
If I'm right, the Germans added an extra set of roller-like components to upgrade the Enigma??????
Nope, it was mostly financial problem. First cracking devices, fully automatic brute-forcing ones so called "bomb" polish Bomba were constructed by Polish but Germans kept modifying enigmas and increasing computational complexity. Polish cryptobreakers reached their financial and time limits shortly before start of second world war II and that's why decided to transfer knowledge to "allied" sides - French and British. Even after Bletchley park took over initiative, for quite a long time they used Polish know-how to break enigmas. However, to credit Turing - the true first world famous invention was Turing machine (theoretical model of modern computers)
Rejewski was the best one