Finally someone actually testing THEIR hunting rifle not some 2k loaner with another 2k loaner scope and to top it all off Actually shooting different loads to find the one their rifle likes. I have been preaching this for decades. Thanks for the best review video I’ve seen in a while
It’s amazing how many people I know who think your point of impact won’t change with different brands of ammo, even in the same weight. This shows how your groups can move. Really enjoy your videos!
True, but, in a weird twist, I found that Hornady American Whitetail Interlock 250 gr. and Norma Dedicated Hunting, 150 gr. are eerily similar when it comes to point of impact.
... I'm duly impressed with the consistency and accuracy of the Federal Power Shok & Fusion factory ammo in 308 Win as demonstrated by the CZcams gurus ... your videos demonstrate that the bullets can accurately reach their targets and Masons ballistic gel videos demonstrate that the bullets will actually do something when they hit their targets
I purchased a 308 Cascade. Clean and polished the Barrel without firing a shot. Bought a Badland muzzle break / blast deflector. Purchased a Arken scope and Arken low profile rings. I then had a FFL guy dial scope in. He shot 8 times total 1 shot on paper 1 adjustment 7 shots in 3 shot groups. 1 for good measure. Grouping dimes at 100 yards. All with Norma white 150 grains. Thanks for your vidz. Your the reason I chose CVA.
I love grouping videos. It blows my mind how difficult guns like different ammo. I know y’all are fans of federal but my 300WM loves Winchester and my 308 loves Norma, and for some odd reason my muzzle loader loves Horndy
I think it’s super cool, too, and my nerd brain loves testing it. We’ve had amazing results with Norma, too. And I’m a few weeks we have a third video with Hornady Outfitters - pretty sweet.
The Norma whitetail in 30.06 150 grain is a nice round. Although I’ve never had an issue with the Winchester power point or Remington corelock in 150grain either.
I'm zeroed on Federal 175gr @ 100yrds. I went to get some ammo, but they didn't have any. They recommended Fiocchi 150gr, and I figured I'd do it just to throw some bullets down range and it was cheap enough. Holy donuts.. Didn't need to re-zero and it was dead on. I was worried too because I was the last person at the range and 6 RSOs were all watching me haha. Turned out I looked like a hero!
That CVA Cascade is holding true to all of it's reviews. Great MOA!! A sub-$600 rifle shooting like that. Awesome deer! I told my son, you have to find the ammo it likes and it will shoot well. We watched this video and he is ordering some Norma as we speak...lol... I loved when you said that little difference in the MOA was probably you. I sight my gun in with using human era in part of the actual sighting and equation. Great shooting! Stay safe!
I love it! We’ve seen some awesome results with pretty much anything 150 gr, but those Normas are something! Thank you so much for watching and your kind words!!!
Thanks for the review !!,,my 308 shoots Hornady Whitetail ammo the best ,,have killed several deer with the old interlock bullet..🙂👍.btw,,great to see a woman testing bullets,,Western Kentucky hunter here!!!
Very cool to see the performance of that many different rounds. My Winchester XPR shoots amazingly well with Fed Fusion 150s, so well that it actually outperforms most of my hand loads. Great vid.
BTW, great video. My middle son said to me when we were loading up outside the truck, "dad, this was all they (gun shop) had left, so I got um, I don't know if they're any good or not" I had the feeling he was hoping to get my approval. Anyway, he bought .270 Win. Federal Fusion 130gr.. I'm impressed.. he has gotten 5 whitetails between 75 yards and 175 yards with that one box. I'm impressed with the cartridges and I'm really impressed with my sons choice. One shot each.
Just came back from my hunting trip. I shot the Remington 180 grain. We had at least 40mph wind and my shots were quite off. First shot was always too low and second adjustment wast too high. It happened twice at 400 yards and one at 200 yards. I didn’t have a clue what grains are all about until researching and watching your part 1. My M700 was zeroed in with the blue federals at 200 yards. Thank you for the content. I will try the Norma soft points.
Cabella’s had those Norma 150gr SPs on sale a few days ago, and I bought a bunch. It’s a good, reliable round in my RAR, and at that sale price I can’t think of a better buy.
That’s awesome. Thank you for watching! Here’s a playlist IF you’re interested. CVA Cascade Videos czcams.com/play/PL7i9VxciB5pMNMESaXJNb9oHoFUo4lY2o.html
Hey, Thank you very much ! I am now doing this testing with my new Howa 308 (Howie). Norma produced a half inch group at 100yds, Fed power shok was 2nd at three quarters. Win PP and fusion were about 1.5in, Howa is not picky, as is your CVA. What I look for in a rifle. Thanks again ! Cheers from the great white (green) north.
Something that a friend of mine who shoots 1000 yards plus told me. Targets like you are using are use those as well. But by the fault if your gun was a laser you would have a 1 inch margin of error because the red dot is about an inch. He prefers to choose a small part on the target such as the left corner of that square around the red dot. I tried that in my groups did tighten up.
You got it hittin on the money w those last ones... actually what I've learned w .308...165 gr. you'll get best results. Particularly at 200yds. Nice shootin, you've gotta a Subscriber. Hunting season right round corner here in NC...I'm really lookin forward to it this year, heck need to fill up the freezer, ain't huntin horns this season...FOOD , cause cant afford the grocery store beef. Been hella past 2+yrs...Covid crap, politics, Ukraine ect ect. I think we got aways to go to before it gets ANY better , and could get ALOT worse. Good luck huntin this year Sweet, appreciate the info. Thanks , your friend TommyB nNC.
my bergara b14 hmr really like the Norma whitetail 150 and I shot some really good sub moa groups with fed premium berger hybrid 168gr also fed premium 175 gr smks thanks for the videos really enjoy watching
Back before I started hand loading. Every time I bought a new rifle. I would get as many different kinds of ammo as I could find and test them on the bench. Some guns liked Federal,some liked Winchester or Hornady. But I never owned a gun that didn’t shoot the poorest with REM factory ammo. And I love Remington rifles. The reason I had to start reloading was when a friend and I bought 300 Rem Ultra mags when they first came out. Nobody but Remington was making ammo for it. I bought it to be a 300-400 yard gun. And nothing REM made would do better than 21/2 or 3 inches at 100 yards in either gun. I started hand loading and worked up a couple loads that would do 2 inches at 300 yard consistently
Oh wow. That’s crazy. We used to pretty exclusively hunt with Core Lokts before doing these tests. We always thought weren’t great shots because groups were just “decent.” Maybe their newer copper stuff is better.
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My Browning BLR seems to like the Federal Fusion 180’s better than the 150 core-lokts. I haven’t tried a lot of different ammo yet. Plus it was made around 1979, so not a new rifle.
You got a dandy brake on er…love mine on ar-10..been handloadin .308 a yr now and shot many factory loads and my 16” barrel loves ol cheap 147 bulk..175smk obviously…and 68s..and doin some powder testin with the 178hornadys today..the factory ones shoot .5”
I've enjoyed you videos comparing the different rounds. I shoot a 40 year old Tikka Model 55 deluxe and it loves the Core Lokt 180's. I've shot sub MOA with this round. It does really well with all heavier rounds, hates 150's. On the other hand, I've also got a Savage Axis XP II that loves the Federal Fusion 150's. Not as accurate as my Tikka, but it's a Stainless Steel rifle I take out when the weather's nasty. Again really great reviews and it's all trial and error when it comes to different rounds
Enjoyed the video. I've shot the Remington Corloks , Federal Fusion and Hornady American Whitetail in my own rifle and found my own results to be similar to your own. For a mid priced cartridge it would have been of interest to have seen how Winchesters Deer Season XP compared to this group of cartridges. However, during the ammo shortages which have taken place I fully understand the need to purchase what you can find.
I remember watching your other videos and if I remember correctly, your gun likes the lighter projectiles while my gun hates them and loves the heavier. Now for a true great whitetail or hunting round, you need to see what the projectile does at the range you will be hunting at.
Well...had to scope this review video too ...cause I noticed you using MY favorite. Hornady Whitetail 150gr...love em. I was actually a Rem. CoreLokt...150g fan for years. But got a Howa ...and it love the Hornady stuff. Actually in the next few days , going to be doing some testing shooting Savage Axis...308....yes , it's all I do nowadays.
You need a one good spot weld. Install or put a Bradley cheek Risker on that rifle. The two separate in the dead center target is because your spot weld had shifted give you two nice separate group. Once you get a cheek rise and a good alignment with your scope and your eye you well definitely give one spot weld. And one tiny little group. Try it you'll like it.
Hornady Precision Hunter 178 gr ELD-X Hornady Outfitter 165 gr GMX Nosler Accubond 165 gr Trophy Grade Federal Terminal Ascent 175 gr Barnes Vortex 168 gr If I were to choose only ONE of these for you to test I would choose the Federal Terminal Ascent. I have heard some pretty good stuff about this and we’ll to be honest I have 40 rounds of it but I don’t want to waste it because let’s just say bullets are extremely hard to come by where I live. We can’t even have them shipped to us so we are at the whim of the local gun stores and their shelves are pretty bare when it comes to good hunting ammo. I plan on shooting some before hunting season but again I have only seen this stuff once in the stores I bought what they had and never seen them again. Thanks for all the videos!!!
You and that gun are a great match. If I was a deer, I wouldnt fool around in the open too long within 500 yards off your stand.🤣👍 My .308 loves 150 SST's. Ive shot them 13 years. Bang flop.
😊 I do love shooting it! I just put a kydex cheek riser on it last night, so it should be even sweeter! STAY TUNED! I love how different guns like different ammo. It’s fun figuring it out! Thanks for your input.
@@ReviewThisThing I'll definitely will this week. I like shooting my AR10 but it's something about a Bolt action that makes you fall in love with shooting.
I can answer this question hands down. Corelokt Soft Point 180gr. Not the pointed one, the round one. Everything is in the woods and under 100yds anyway. The blunt bullet gives a way bigger shock and I've never had a deer go more than 20yds. About half have dropped where they stood. Between my dad and I, dozens of deer and never had a fail. Father in law shoots a 270 with with 150 Corelokt, again round nose and he has had the same experience and with his son as well. His son switched to a pointed 150gr in 270 and had them go a long way. It's any gun that you cam shoot with a blunt bullet does absolutely amazing in white tail. Now if we were shooting 300yds plus it probably wouldn't be. But for the mountains of western PA a slower blunt tip bullet is great for elk, bear. And deer. For bear I'd stick with 180gr or more. PA has 2 or 3 of the largest 5 black bear taken in The world and Siberia has the spots. I know 875lbs ish, 850ish, and several in the 700s. A guy got one 700 by me and it is just massive. It's not uncommon to see 550+ taken. Mixture of a lot of food and not being allowed to use dogs or bait to hunt has allowed them to grow like crazy. They go through cornfields and gorge themselves.
This is good for target 🎯 shooting 👍🏽 For hunting 🤔 how the bullet performance. I'm more like hunting guy Is weird however rifles different and need something different.
Great video....New subscriber....THANK YOU I have been using Federal Fusion in my guns (308/30O6/7mm-08/30-30) for a long time now and honestly believe it is the best performing ammo in both accuracy and kill power that I've ever used. I have been really interested in the Norma Whitetail lately and plan to try some of it too.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support! I’ve definitely been impressed with the Fusions AND the Normas! Check out part 1 for the 165 Fusions and Norma Whitetail!
I used Norma 270 130 last year killed 2 deer at 70 yards graveyard dead. Shot another with federal fusion at same distance with same results graveyard dead.
I am a proponent of 165 grains as a real bakance point weight in .30-06. I do like 150 grain, but not at full speed I like that weight operating at or around 2700 FPS muzzle velocity to somewhat reduce the excess expansion and excess carcass damage that just goes up with more speed.
@@ReviewThisThing I honestly prefer them to most the high end expensive rifles which in my opinion half the time aren’t really better you’re just paying for a name
Just bought cva cascade in 308 Mine likes 165 and hates 150. Hornady whitetail works very accurately as well as Federal TB. Never had any luck with HWT before Each rifle is different even same brand and calibre My cascade shoots even better than my tikka 6.5 and that is saying something
That’s funny that you’re like the 165 grain. You’re right - that’s why you have to try it for yourself. I’m glad you like both of yours as much as I do!
Sad to see Remington is not any more accurate than it used to be. The bullet performance great. The difference between accuracy and bullet performance or two different things. So I’ll look for something that does both. And for those who don’t know the American white tail is Hornady‘s version of the corrlockt. It’s a locked cup and core as well.
@@ReviewThisThing hard to say. When I first started hunting I shot for accuracy and most everything shot better than fcorelockt. With federal owning Remington ammo now I was hoping it would get better. And it may have. 180s have never shot as good as 150/165 for me. I’d try the 150s next just to see if you can find them. After terrine results with deer season xp 150 I started researching bullet construction. That shot amazing but expanded so violently I never had a pass through. So I stay with locked and bonded bullets now. I may try copper this year. Out of what you shot today is hit with the Hornady or the fusion.
Just curious- did you clean your barrel between the different brands of ammo? I’ve heard conflicting advise about cleaning your barrel when comparing different brands.
Thanks I have a 308 and always looking for a little Xtra if you know what I mean maybe you will find some Hornady super performance set in 150 grain see how the shoot
I bought 8 boxes of Remington core and they are 4-6 inch groups. I throw any other ammo in and my groups are easily sub. I’m not a fan of the Core lokt
I actually did on this one. I shot one round of the Hornady American Whitetail, and it was pretty far off (you can actually see the hole). I let it cool off a few minutes and finished the rest of them. Great tip!
Yeah. That’s not good. Did you see Part 1? We have 5 more rounds coming. So far I think this gun really likes 150 grain. The 165 was pretty good, but heavier - not so much!
I’d like to see what Hornady Superformance 150 grain SST does with your rifle. I’m willing to bet that that would be your choice with the one shot one kill with your rifle. I was planning on the Norma but after seeing what the Hornady does out of my rifle and the damage, I’ll spend a little more for less tracking of downed deer.
@@ReviewThisThing I have a 1:10 twist 308 and a 1:12 308. The 1:10 hates those 180gr pills but the 1:12 shots right at an inch with them. Great videos, thanks for all the helpful info!
Knowing that her rifle wasn't zeroed for Remington Corelokt, I still have yet to find ANYONE hold a quality group with those rounds. Lol, I dunno why people still buy them.
Norma is good no doubt but wondering if you know the difference in their Whitetail and Soft Point ? I thought they was the same but that doesn't make sense.
I have often wondered the same thing, so I searched a couple of forums. It looks like one person got a response from Norma that said they are the same ammo but packaged at different facilities. It doesn't make sense, though, that they have different advertised velocities and ft/lbs of energy.
Stop lifting your head after every shot. Work the bolt while keeping your cheekweld. Everytime you lift your head you’re creating a different alignment.
After reading your comment I went and watched some videos of other military sniper training and sport shooters and found you to be right on. They kept their cheek weld steady and the head never moved until their last shot. I never realized that either. Good advice.
@@markwhite6782 Try it out. It makes a difference. If you have to make an adjustment, keep your cheekweld and make any adjustments with the rear bag. Squeeze to make the crosshairs go down, relax to make the crosshairs go up, push to the right to make the crosshairs go left and push to the left to make the crosshairs go right.
The best 308 Winchester round I've ever shot? My own handloaded ammo carefully developed and individually tailored to the specific rifle and type of shooting that I will be doing.
Awesome! Which one did you get? Now, I’m no marksmanship expert, but I didn’t go through the break in procedure. This video is literally the first shots out of this gun. czcams.com/video/QvqU_qguoCk/video.html
@@ReviewThisThing Thank you! I got the twin to yours in 6.5 Creedmoor. Like you, I am height challenged. Took out the spacer and it's a perfect fit. Yeah, I am reading more and more where the break-in is nonsense. Like you, I am a hunter. The rifles can always shoot better than I can. Love your content! Oh, and Normal outshoots every other ammo I have tried in 308, 6.5CR and 270 WIN. All the Whitetail brand. That's most of the ammo I have.
You’re going to love it!!! Come back after you shoot it and let us know how it goes. We have a Bergara Ridge in 6.5CM that LOVES the Norma Whitetail! Thank you so much for watching!!!
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@@ReviewThisThing well I had a lot of fun with ours using 150g they werent a healthy group at all so I tried 165 subsonics and closed the group right up and now on 180g and hitting the bullseye. Tried Hornady, Federal Core-Lokt and super supressed all 150g before Fiocchi 180g, she'll nail a tack with the 180 and the subsonic 165. Plenty of tahr and a few chamois in NZ bring your gun down and bag a few!
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Finally someone actually testing THEIR hunting rifle not some 2k loaner with another 2k loaner scope and to top it all off
Actually shooting different loads to find the one their rifle likes.
I have been preaching this for decades. Thanks for the best review video I’ve seen in a while
Wow, Steve! That’s so awesome. Thank you so much. That means a lot!
It’s amazing how many people I know who think your point of impact won’t change with different brands of ammo, even in the same weight. This shows how your groups can move. Really enjoy your videos!
Thank you so much! I’ve really learned a lot!
True, but, in a weird twist, I found that Hornady American Whitetail Interlock 250 gr. and Norma Dedicated Hunting, 150 gr. are eerily similar when it comes to point of impact.
That IS strange
@@ReviewThisThing I miss typed, Hornady 150 gr. Whitetail Interlock, not 250 gr. My bad.
@JAEUFM that makes a little more sense 😁
... I'm duly impressed with the consistency and accuracy of the Federal Power Shok & Fusion factory ammo in 308 Win as demonstrated by the CZcams gurus ... your videos demonstrate that the bullets can accurately reach their targets and Masons ballistic gel videos demonstrate that the bullets will actually do something when they hit their targets
I purchased a 308 Cascade. Clean and polished the Barrel without firing a shot. Bought a Badland muzzle break / blast deflector. Purchased a Arken scope and Arken low profile rings. I then had a FFL guy dial scope in. He shot 8 times total 1 shot on paper 1 adjustment 7 shots in 3 shot groups. 1 for good measure. Grouping dimes at 100 yards. All with Norma white 150 grains. Thanks for your vidz. Your the reason I chose CVA.
That’s AWESOME! Congratulations. They’re pretty amazing. Thank you for watching!
I love grouping videos. It blows my mind how difficult guns like different ammo. I know y’all are fans of federal but my 300WM loves Winchester and my 308 loves Norma, and for some odd reason my muzzle loader loves Horndy
I think it’s super cool, too, and my nerd brain loves testing it. We’ve had amazing results with Norma, too. And I’m a few weeks we have a third video with Hornady Outfitters - pretty sweet.
Put some Eld-m in the .308.
Very good video. Norma is on my list!!! Nice whitetail!! 😀
Thank you!!! Nice!
This is awesome no music just right to it. Keep it up. I'll watch your reviews anytime. Real world real quick and honest.
Thank you so much. I really appreciate it!
Good video and great shooting! The accuracy of the Norma brand surprised me! Your best group. My 30’06 prefers 150 & 165 as well!
Thank you so much!!! Right!
The Norma whitetail in 30.06 150 grain is a nice round. Although I’ve never had an issue with the Winchester power point or Remington corelock in 150grain either.
@@JMac-md3vj thanks!
I'm zeroed on Federal 175gr @ 100yrds. I went to get some ammo, but they didn't have any. They recommended Fiocchi 150gr, and I figured I'd do it just to throw some bullets down range and it was cheap enough. Holy donuts.. Didn't need to re-zero and it was dead on. I was worried too because I was the last person at the range and 6 RSOs were all watching me haha. Turned out I looked like a hero!
Oh wow! I wouldn’t have expected that. That’s awesome!
I am loving this, thanks for reviewing....
Thank you for watching!
You were right. I may have to give Norma a gander. ♥
And they’re very reasonably priced!
Very good review. Norma shoots the best groups in my rifle. Thanks for the info 👍
What are you shooting?
150 grain Norma. Savage storm 308 .750 with 3 shots 100 yards
Nice!
That CVA Cascade is holding true to all of it's reviews. Great MOA!! A sub-$600 rifle shooting like that. Awesome deer! I told my son, you have to find the ammo it likes and it will shoot well. We watched this video and he is ordering some Norma as we speak...lol... I loved when you said that little difference in the MOA was probably you. I sight my gun in with using human era in part of the actual sighting and equation. Great shooting! Stay safe!
I love it! We’ve seen some awesome results with pretty much anything 150 gr, but those Normas are something! Thank you so much for watching and your kind words!!!
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Thanks for the review !!,,my 308 shoots Hornady Whitetail ammo the best ,,have killed several deer with the old interlock bullet..🙂👍.btw,,great to see a woman testing bullets,,Western Kentucky hunter here!!!
Hey! Thank you so much for watching! I definitely had several people mention the Hornady’s! Good luck this season!!!
Federal and Norma seem the tightest. Thanks.
They’re pretty good!
Great content as always, thanks guys.
Thank you so much! That means the world!
Very cool to see the performance of that many different rounds. My Winchester XPR shoots amazingly well with Fed Fusion 150s, so well that it actually outperforms most of my hand loads. Great vid.
Oh wow. That’s pretty nice. Saves you some time! Thank you for watching!
BTW, great video.
My middle son said to me when we were loading up outside the truck, "dad, this was all they (gun shop) had left, so I got um, I don't know if they're any good or not" I had the feeling he was hoping to get my approval. Anyway, he bought .270 Win. Federal Fusion 130gr.. I'm impressed.. he has gotten 5 whitetails between 75 yards and 175 yards with that one box. I'm impressed with the cartridges and I'm really impressed with my sons choice. One shot each.
Heck yeah. Those Fusions seem to be great.
Just came back from my hunting trip. I shot the Remington 180 grain. We had at least 40mph wind and my shots were quite off. First shot was always too low and second adjustment wast too high. It happened twice at 400 yards and one at 200 yards. I didn’t have a clue what grains are all about until researching and watching your part 1. My M700 was zeroed in with the blue federals at 200 yards. Thank you for the content. I will try the Norma soft points.
I’m so glad our videos helped! It’s funny how different guns like different rounds for sure. Let me know what you think about the Norma!
Very Nicely Done! Thank You.
Thank you for watching!
Cabella’s had those Norma 150gr SPs on sale a few days ago, and I bought a bunch.
It’s a good, reliable round in my RAR, and at that sale price I can’t think of a better buy.
Nice! How much were they?
@@ReviewThisThing A pack of 20 cartridges went on sale for under $40 Canuckistani Kopecks (they usually sell for $55).
Nice!
As someone just getting into bolt actions, I very much enjoy these videos. I also want a cva
I’m so glad to hear that! I definitely appreciate you watching!!! Have you watched all our CVA videos? I don’t think you’d be disappointed!
@@ReviewThisThing I do not think I have seen them all yet, Just finished the 308 ammos and Ruger American ones
That’s awesome. Thank you for watching! Here’s a playlist IF you’re interested. CVA Cascade Videos
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Hey, Thank you very much ! I am now doing this testing with my new Howa 308 (Howie). Norma produced a half inch group at 100yds, Fed power shok was 2nd at three quarters. Win PP and fusion were about 1.5in, Howa is not picky, as is your CVA. What I look for in a rifle. Thanks again ! Cheers from the great white (green) north.
Excellent! Sounds like you’ve got a shooter in that one! I’d say you’re probably pretty skilled, too. Thanks for watching and for the info!
Something that a friend of mine who shoots 1000 yards plus told me. Targets like you are using are use those as well. But by the fault if your gun was a laser you would have a 1 inch margin of error because the red dot is about an inch. He prefers to choose a small part on the target such as the left corner of that square around the red dot. I tried that in my groups did tighten up.
Ahhh. Now that makes excellent sense. Thank you!
Got the Area 419 muzzle brake to put on my Remington 700, love it, thanks for the suggestion.
Awesome! I’m glad you’re loving it! I still love mine! Won’t shoot without a brake any more!
You got it hittin on the money w those last ones... actually what I've learned w .308...165 gr. you'll get best results. Particularly at 200yds.
Nice shootin, you've gotta a Subscriber.
Hunting season right round corner here in NC...I'm really lookin forward to it this year, heck need to fill up the freezer, ain't huntin horns this season...FOOD , cause cant afford the grocery store beef.
Been hella past 2+yrs...Covid crap, politics, Ukraine ect ect.
I think we got aways to go to before it gets ANY better , and could get ALOT worse. Good luck huntin this year Sweet, appreciate the info. Thanks , your friend TommyB nNC.
Hey, Tommy. Thank you and thanks for subscribing! Good luck to you, too. It won’t be long!
my bergara b14 hmr really like the Norma whitetail 150 and I shot some really good sub moa groups with fed premium berger hybrid 168gr also fed premium 175 gr smks thanks for the videos really enjoy watching
Awesome! Thanks for the info, and thank you so much for watching!
Back before I started hand loading. Every time I bought a new rifle. I would get as many different kinds of ammo as I could find and test them on the bench. Some guns liked Federal,some liked Winchester or Hornady. But I never owned a gun that didn’t shoot the poorest with REM factory ammo. And I love Remington rifles. The reason I had to start reloading was when a friend and I bought 300 Rem Ultra mags when they first came out. Nobody but Remington was making ammo for it. I bought it to be a 300-400 yard gun. And nothing REM made would do better than 21/2 or 3 inches at 100 yards in either gun. I started hand loading and worked up a couple loads that would do 2 inches at 300 yard consistently
Oh wow. That’s crazy. We used to pretty exclusively hunt with Core Lokts before doing these tests. We always thought weren’t great shots because groups were just “decent.” Maybe their newer copper stuff is better.
Great video. Looks like the CVA likes more than one round.
Thank you! It seems to! Thankfully.
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I commonly find that most 308s prefer 150gr or 165gr ammo. Never had one like 180 grain
Makes you wonder why they make it 🤔
My Browning BLR seems to like the Federal Fusion 180’s better than the 150 core-lokts. I haven’t tried a lot of different ammo yet. Plus it was made around 1979, so not a new rifle.
@@jamespruitt6718 well, there ya go. Maybe that’s it!
I agree…I’ve spent countless money trying to find consistency in 180 grain on both my 308 rifles…150 to 165 is where it’s at
You got a dandy brake on er…love mine on ar-10..been handloadin .308 a yr now and shot many factory loads and my 16” barrel loves ol cheap 147 bulk..175smk obviously…and 68s..and doin some powder testin with the 178hornadys today..the factory ones shoot .5”
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Enjoyed as always!
Thanks for watching! (As always 😊)
I've enjoyed you videos comparing the different rounds. I shoot a 40 year old Tikka Model 55 deluxe and it loves the Core Lokt 180's. I've shot sub MOA with this round. It does really well with all heavier rounds, hates 150's. On the other hand, I've also got a Savage Axis XP II that loves the Federal Fusion 150's. Not as accurate as my Tikka, but it's a Stainless Steel rifle I take out when the weather's nasty. Again really great reviews and it's all trial and error when it comes to different rounds
Thanks so much! We have had a lot of fun testing. It’s crazy how different guns can be.
My Weatherby Vanguard 2 308 loves the Norma Bondstrike 180 grain everytime I have shot it at 100yard I am getting a 3 shot group under 1/2 inch MOA
Nice! I haven’t splurged for those yet 😊
Enjoyed the video.
I've shot the Remington Corloks , Federal Fusion and Hornady American Whitetail in my own rifle and found my own results to be similar to your own. For a mid priced cartridge it would have been of interest to have seen how Winchesters Deer Season XP compared to this group of cartridges. However, during the ammo shortages which have taken place I fully understand the need to purchase what you can find.
I don’t think I’ve tried those, but it definitely would be interesting to see. There will be a Part 4 in 2023! 😊
I remember watching your other videos and if I remember correctly, your gun likes the lighter projectiles while my gun hates them and loves the heavier. Now for a true great whitetail or hunting round, you need to see what the projectile does at the range you will be hunting at.
You’re right! It’s definitely not a fan of heavier loads as is! Once we narrow it down, I want to film out to 200 and 300!
Well...had to scope this review video too ...cause I noticed you using MY favorite. Hornady Whitetail 150gr...love em. I was actually a Rem. CoreLokt...150g fan for years.
But got a Howa ...and it love the Hornady stuff.
Actually in the next few days , going to be doing some testing shooting Savage Axis...308....yes , it's all I do nowadays.
Let me know how the Axis testing goes!
Always enjoy your videos.
Thank you so much. That means a lot, and we appreciate your support!
Love your videos, good job, short and complete.
Thank you so much! That means a lot. Thanks for watching!
You need a one good spot weld. Install or put a Bradley cheek Risker on that rifle.
The two separate in the dead center target is because your spot weld had shifted give you two nice separate group.
Once you get a cheek rise and a good alignment with your scope and your eye you well definitely give one spot weld.
And one tiny little group.
Try it you'll like it.
I think you’re right - I definitely need a cheek riser.
Hornady Precision Hunter
178 gr ELD-X
Hornady Outfitter 165 gr GMX
Nosler Accubond 165 gr Trophy Grade
Federal Terminal Ascent 175 gr
Barnes Vortex 168 gr
If I were to choose only ONE of these for you to test I would choose the Federal Terminal Ascent. I have heard some pretty good stuff about this and we’ll to be honest I have 40 rounds of it but I don’t want to waste it because let’s just say bullets are extremely hard to come by where I live. We can’t even have them shipped to us so we are at the whim of the local gun stores and their shelves are pretty bare when it comes to good hunting ammo. I plan on shooting some before hunting season but again I have only seen this stuff once in the stores I bought what they had and never seen them again. Thanks for all the videos!!!
Stay tuned for Part 3! It’s filmed but not posted. At least 3 of the ones you listed are in it. You may be surprised.
@@ReviewThisThing Awesome!
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Monolithic bullets are not great.
@@duckwacker8720 Why?
You and that gun are a great match. If I was a deer, I wouldnt fool around in the open too long within 500 yards off your stand.🤣👍 My .308 loves 150 SST's. Ive shot them 13 years. Bang flop.
😊 I do love shooting it! I just put a kydex cheek riser on it last night, so it should be even sweeter! STAY TUNED! I love how different guns like different ammo. It’s fun figuring it out! Thanks for your input.
Awesome shooting, makes me want to take my bolt action .308 Savage out.
DO IT! Thank you!
@@ReviewThisThing I'll definitely will this week. I like shooting my AR10 but it's something about a Bolt action that makes you fall in love with shooting.
I couldn’t agree more!
I just bought a new Ruger gen 2 my gun loves core lokt and norma white tail. I can mix them up you can't tell the difference.
Oh wow. The regular Core Lokt or
Tipped?
I can answer this question hands down. Corelokt Soft Point 180gr. Not the pointed one, the round one. Everything is in the woods and under 100yds anyway. The blunt bullet gives a way bigger shock and I've never had a deer go more than 20yds. About half have dropped where they stood. Between my dad and I, dozens of deer and never had a fail. Father in law shoots a 270 with with 150 Corelokt, again round nose and he has had the same experience and with his son as well. His son switched to a pointed 150gr in 270 and had them go a long way. It's any gun that you cam shoot with a blunt bullet does absolutely amazing in white tail. Now if we were shooting 300yds plus it probably wouldn't be. But for the mountains of western PA a slower blunt tip bullet is great for elk, bear. And deer. For bear I'd stick with 180gr or more. PA has 2 or 3 of the largest 5 black bear taken in The world and Siberia has the spots. I know 875lbs ish, 850ish, and several in the 700s. A guy got one 700 by me and it is just massive. It's not uncommon to see 550+ taken. Mixture of a lot of food and not being allowed to use dogs or bait to hunt has allowed them to grow like crazy. They go through cornfields and gorge themselves.
Holy smokes those are big bear! This gun just doesn’t like the 180 grain bullets. Can’t get a good group at 100 yards! Thanks for the info!!!
Would really like to know your POA, aiming at a 1 MOA circle isn't a good way to get groups. I recommend aiming at the crosspoint or changing targets
That’s an excellent point. I was definitely aiming in the center of the center.
This is good for target 🎯 shooting 👍🏽
For hunting 🤔 how the bullet performance. I'm more like hunting guy
Is weird however rifles different and need something different.
That’s an excellent point! That’s a whole different test 😊
Great video....New subscriber....THANK YOU
I have been using Federal Fusion in my guns (308/30O6/7mm-08/30-30) for a long time now and honestly believe it is the best performing ammo in both accuracy and kill power that I've ever used. I have been really interested in the Norma Whitetail lately and plan to try some of it too.
Thank you so much! I really appreciate the support! I’ve definitely been impressed with the Fusions AND the Normas! Check out part 1 for the 165 Fusions and Norma Whitetail!
I used Norma 270 130 last year killed 2 deer at 70 yards graveyard dead.
Shot another with federal fusion at same distance with same results graveyard dead.
Sounds like you know how to shoot 😊
I am a proponent of 165 grains as a real bakance point weight in .30-06. I do like 150 grain, but not at full speed I like that weight operating at or around 2700 FPS muzzle velocity to somewhat reduce the excess expansion and excess carcass damage that just goes up with more speed.
Makes sense.
If you have a tikka t3x in .308 buy the Hornady American whitetail 150grn I promise it’s the best combo going
I need to shoot a Tikka! I’ve heard great things!
@@ReviewThisThing I honestly prefer them to most the high end expensive rifles which in my opinion half the time aren’t really better you’re just paying for a name
That’s what a lot of people say. It’s one the list 😁 Thanks!
Thanks.
You got it! Thank you!
Just bought cva cascade in 308
Mine likes 165 and hates 150. Hornady whitetail works very accurately as well as Federal TB. Never had any luck with HWT before
Each rifle is different even same brand and calibre
My cascade shoots even better than my tikka 6.5 and that is saying something
That’s funny that you’re like the 165 grain. You’re right - that’s why you have to try it for yourself. I’m glad you like both of yours as much as I do!
I guess i'll be buying federal Fusion from now on. Norma is too expensive for me.
These are the less expensive ones. Sometimes they’re on sale on their website. I saw them just a few weeks ago for like $17/box.
Fusion,and norma always top factory loads.
It seems that way
Norma ❤❤❤
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Sad to see Remington is not any more accurate than it used to be. The bullet performance great. The difference between accuracy and bullet performance or two different things. So I’ll look for something that does both. And for those who don’t know the American white tail is Hornady‘s version of the corrlockt. It’s a locked cup and core as well.
It may have just been that it was heavier?
@@ReviewThisThing hard to say. When I first started hunting I shot for accuracy and most everything shot better than fcorelockt. With federal owning Remington ammo now I was hoping it would get better. And it may have. 180s have never shot as good as 150/165 for me. I’d try the 150s next just to see if you can find them. After terrine results with deer season xp 150 I started researching bullet construction. That shot amazing but expanded so violently I never had a pass through. So I stay with locked and bonded bullets now. I may try copper this year. Out of what you shot today is hit with the Hornady or the fusion.
Thank you so much! I was definitely more impressed with the Fusions than I thought I would be. Great advice!
STOP catching the round !!! JUST RACK IT !!! hahahahaha
Haha. I know. I do it in all 4 videos 😊
Just curious- did you clean your barrel between the different brands of ammo? I’ve heard conflicting advise about cleaning your barrel when comparing different brands.
We didn’t but need to try that on some of our future tests.
In Argentina Remington Core -Lokt 20 ammunition U$D 100, Federal Fusion 20 ammunition U$D 120, Fiocci 20 ammunition U$D 135, Hornady 20 ammunition U$D 60, Norma 20 ammunition U$D 120
Holy smokes!!!
Good video. You won't find any of that ammo on the shelves near me..
Thank you! We’ve been able to find some .308 around but not much else.
Try ammo shop or Norma shooting.
Thanks I have a 308 and always looking for a little Xtra if you know what I mean maybe you will find some Hornady super performance set in 150 grain see how the shoot
Check out part 3! czcams.com/video/xnyjwvadMaQ/video.html
I bought 8 boxes of Remington core and they are 4-6 inch groups. I throw any other ammo in and my groups are easily sub. I’m not a fan of the Core lokt
Don’t seem to be hitting on much with this gun for sure.
You need to let the barrel cool down for a couple of minutes before shooting again.
I actually did on this one. I shot one round of the Hornady American Whitetail, and it was pretty far off (you can actually see the hole). I let it cool off a few minutes and finished the rest of them. Great tip!
Norma is a Swedish brand which I guess is making Americans a bit sour xD
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I have your exact same set up. The 178 grain Hornady rounds get me a 6 MOA, horrible. Please help me find the right weight for the short 22" barrel
Yeah. That’s not good. Did you see Part 1? We have 5 more rounds coming. So far I think this gun really likes 150 grain. The 165 was pretty good, but heavier - not so much!
The Fusion was money. You mixed up shots 1 and 2. Just probably shot a littlehigher with a warmer barrel on 2 and 3
Yep. Yeah - When I'm doing the BallisticX thing I can rarely remember the order 😀
I’d like to see what Hornady Superformance 150 grain SST does with your rifle. I’m willing to bet that that would be your choice with the one shot one kill with your rifle. I was planning on the Norma but after seeing what the Hornady does out of my rifle and the damage, I’ll spend a little more for less tracking of downed deer.
Watch Part 3 czcams.com/video/xnyjwvadMaQ/video.html They’re in there!
165gr sst is a better choice
AR-10 PSA 6 to 24x50 arkin 762 titanium OSS with 150 grain Norma now that is what you call precise
That sounds awesome!
Everyone seems to have good luck with the Norma out of various firearms.
We’ve tried it out of CVA Cascade, Bergara Ridge, and Ruger American Predator and gotten great groups out of all of them.
@@ReviewThisThing People have good luck with Gorilla brand ammo also.
I haven’t seen those.
I commented on part4 without seeing this video.
Well, I appreciate you watching them both and commenting on both 😁
I just picked up a ruger american in the 308. Curious to how the fedural trophy copper 165 group
Let me know. I know that Norma shoots well.
Fiocchi bulk box, at 200 yards shot about two inch groups, out of a AR10, probably could do better, my first Time shooting AR .
That’s not bad, though.
All fiochi and every caliber i get it , all sucks, they do go boom but can’t rely on it when depend of accuracy
Okay. Thank you! That’s still the only one I’ve ever tried.
Someone always has to critique! Just enjoy the video.
Haha. Agreed 😊 Thanks for watching!
Nice 👍🏼
Thanks! And thanks for watching!
It's obvious that the barrel is a 1 in 14 twist. 150 grain bullets work great but not 180 grain.
It actually appears to be a 1:10 twist rate from my research. But it definitely doesn’t care for the heavy stuff! Check out Part 3!
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I have a 1:10 twist 308 and a 1:12 308.
The 1:10 hates those 180gr pills but the 1:12 shots right at an inch with them.
Great videos, thanks for all the helpful info!
Thank you so much! Thanks for watching and for the info.
Knowing that her rifle wasn't zeroed for Remington Corelokt, I still have yet to find ANYONE hold a quality group with those rounds. Lol, I dunno why people still buy them.
I didn’t have great luck.
Norma is good no doubt but wondering if you know the difference in their Whitetail and Soft Point ? I thought they was the same but that doesn't make sense.
I have often wondered the same thing, so I searched a couple of forums. It looks like one person got a response from Norma that said they are the same ammo but packaged at different facilities. It doesn't make sense, though, that they have different advertised velocities and ft/lbs of energy.
@@ReviewThisThing thanks for letting me know, must be a money marketing plan.
@@1Whitetail now, that may not be the case, but that's what I read.
Stop lifting your head after every shot. Work the bolt while keeping your cheekweld. Everytime you lift your head you’re creating a different alignment.
Great point! Thank you. I’m learning every day.
After reading your comment I went and watched some videos of other military sniper training and sport shooters and found you to be right on. They kept their cheek weld steady and the head never moved until their last shot. I never realized that either. Good advice.
@@markwhite6782 those sniper, long distance PRS guys have it locked down. Amazing!
@@markwhite6782 Try it out. It makes a difference. If you have to make an adjustment, keep your cheekweld and make any adjustments with the rear bag. Squeeze to make the crosshairs go down, relax to make the crosshairs go up, push to the right to make the crosshairs go left and push to the left to make the crosshairs go right.
The best 308 Winchester round I've ever shot?
My own handloaded ammo carefully developed and individually tailored to the specific rifle and type of shooting that I will be doing.
There ya go!
I only saw part 3 but, no single hole groups at 100? I don’t think it’s the ammo
Thanks for your input.
My .308 cva loves the 165 gr and does well with 150 but does not like the 180s
Good to know! Thank you!
It would be nice to try Black Hills but almost all of their production goes to the government now and not to the sports shooters,
Definitely would be. I’m not familiar with those.
Looks like your barrel twist rate favors lighter bullets.
100%. This heavier ones do not do well.
On your final shots with the Norma,your hits are not marked correctly.
You mean in order? Or location?
@@ReviewThisThing in numerical order.However,Great shooting in any case.
@coreyzahares2055 ahhh. Yeah. I pretty much always forgot what order when I’m making those things 😁 Thank you! And I appreciate you watching!
my remington 700 likes winchester 150gr shoots less than 1in , i think the gun shoots better tan i do
😂 that’s a good gun, then!
Need to shoot some Barnes 130, 150 and 165 grain VorTX.
I have some Barnes I’ll going to shoot in round 3!!!
@@ReviewThisThing looking forward to seeing the results. I work there!
Sweet! I’m excited to see, too!
Were the Remingtons shot out of a clean barrel? Some guns like grit fouling?
It was a clean barrel. But I shot them a few days earlier out of a dirty barrel and has basically the exact same results.
@@ReviewThisThing Cool was just wondering
Absolutely. Thanks for watching!
Did you do the barrel break in procedure or just start shooting? Taking my new Cascade out tomorrow.
Awesome! Which one did you get? Now, I’m no marksmanship expert, but I didn’t go through the break in procedure. This video is literally the first shots out of this gun. czcams.com/video/QvqU_qguoCk/video.html
@@ReviewThisThing Thank you! I got the twin to yours in 6.5 Creedmoor. Like you, I am height challenged. Took out the spacer and it's a perfect fit.
Yeah, I am reading more and more where the break-in is nonsense. Like you, I am a hunter. The rifles can always shoot better than I can.
Love your content!
Oh, and Normal outshoots every other ammo I have tried in 308, 6.5CR and 270 WIN. All the Whitetail brand. That's most of the ammo I have.
You’re going to love it!!! Come back after you shoot it and let us know how it goes. We have a Bergara Ridge in 6.5CM that LOVES the Norma Whitetail! Thank you so much for watching!!!
@@ReviewThisThing Wil do!!
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Also, why do do you have a range donkey muzzle break on a 308? It
It's not a kicker.
Because I like it 😊 It doesn’t kick bad, but the brake makes it a lot more fun to shoot! Thanks for watching!
180gr is the worst for .308 and 30-06
Amen
My cva hated the fiocci
Isn’t that strange how they do? The next round is 5 more expensive rounds. I’ll be interested to see how they do!
I guarantee that that 180 grain group she was flinching….lok
I hope not. But, I did shoot it twice and got the same results.
where's part 1?
Part 1 czcams.com/video/-1C5gnuMe7w/video.html
Part 3 czcams.com/video/xnyjwvadMaQ/video.html
Part 4 czcams.com/video/kJUCwBOkQPs/video.html
THANKS FOR WATCHING!
results will vary with different guns
Absolutely! That’s what makes it so fun!
best rayounds?
Yep! Thanks for watching!
Hello again, just asking what the barrel twist rate is thanks :-)
Hey there! The .308 is a 1:10 twist rate. 😊
@@ReviewThisThing hey thats a good thing then, so is mine! Have a good day.
Let me know how they shoot out of yours.
@@ReviewThisThing well I had a lot of fun with ours using 150g they werent a healthy group at all so I tried 165 subsonics and closed the group right up and now on 180g and hitting the bullseye. Tried Hornady, Federal Core-Lokt and super supressed all 150g before Fiocchi 180g, she'll nail a tack with the 180 and the subsonic 165. Plenty of tahr and a few chamois in NZ bring your gun down and bag a few!
Nice! I’m glad you found your round. I think it’s actually a pretty fun process. Sounds awesome. Maybe some day!
Your first group seems to be always the worst. I have always gotten great groups with Remington core loks no matter what gun I used.
I need to switch it up a little.
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Good video,i,m not sure this firearm shoot well!
Thank you for watching!