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Grand Canyon GPS Test - Garmin vs Apple
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- čas přidán 3. 08. 2024
- A hardcore GPS test with Garmin, Apple, and Android units in the walls of the Grand Canyon.
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In a detailed "Apple vs Garmin" extreme GPS test conducted in the rugged terrains of the Grand Canyon, the reliability of various GPS devices was put to the ultimate challenge. The Grand Canyon GPS Test, held at Skeleton Point on the South Kaibab Trail, was designed to evaluate the performance of leading GPS devices in emergency survival scenarios and extreme conditions, ensuring accuracy when it's most critical.
The devices tested included the Garmin GPS Map 67i and the Epix Pro, both equipped with multiband and multi-GNSS capabilities, alongside the Apple Watch Ultra 2 with the WorkOutdoors app, the iPhone 15 Pro Max with Gaia GPS, the Android-based Ulefone Armor 23 Ultra with Gaia GPS, and the Garmin inReach Mini 2 set to high-detail activity recording. The test sought to determine if these modern units could outperform older models that often showed significant errors in such a challenging environment.
Throughout the hike, each device’s GPS tracking was meticulously analyzed, especially as the trail ascended the steep cliff walls of the Grand Canyon-a location known for its GPS-signal challenges. The devices varied in performance, with some like the Apple Watch Ultra 2 and the Garmin Epix Pro showing strong results in multiband functionality. Others, particularly the Ulefone Armor 23, struggled with accuracy, illustrating the variability in GPS technology across different brands and operating systems.
The extreme GPS test not only highlighted the strengths and weaknesses of each device but also provided insights into how these technologies can serve hikers and adventurers in remote and demanding environments. This rigorous field test serves as a valuable resource for consumers looking to understand which devices might best meet their needs for reliable navigation aids in outdoor adventures and emergency survival situations.
i'm realy surprised how well the Mini did its job. great comparison
Immediate good energy
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Another great video, thank you for this test. 🙂
This is why i love this channel
Thank you so much for your time and expertise!!
A few things I love about my Garmin that an Apple Watch cannot compete with are the battery life, route tracking, and temps. Oh! Best of all, I could go 5 years without having to think of an upgrade.
just got my Fenix 7 Pro and I know I won't bother with a new watch for many years, especially the updates down the line, where you get all the new features for years to come are amazing.
Great video and comparison!
I’ve compared my 66i to my 3rd gen iPhone SE running CalTopo in heavy tree coverage. The phone track is way more zigzagging with the Garmin following the old skid road a lot closer. I’m recalling a .5 mile longer track over 3 miles on the phone.
I run the Garmin with gps only no ruski satellites.
I attribute the Garmin accuracy to a purpose built device with an external antenna.
Gives me faith in my Garmin 67i. Thanks.
Another awesome and useful video. Thanks!
Neat I always really liked gpsmap 65s for use out here.
We never miss an episode. Thank you for your thoroughness.
Thank you!
Sticking with my Apple phone and Ultra watch......no need for separate costly items with these gems.
Apple would add subscription fee and that would cost more than actually buying a Garmin which will be reliable in emergency situations
@@shahadsorwar3843 Um, they already offer the service without additional fees. What are you actually talking about?
Great video. Jeez, you have a lot of $$ tied up in tech. You're the Consumer Reports of hiking gear.
Ha yea, I usually buy it and then sell on eBay when a new model comes out. I don't have DC Rainmaker money unfortunately...
This is great. Really difficult to find in depth comparisons like this. My Mini2 has been a workhorse, but have always been curious how it stacks up. Well done!
Thank you! And yea, I hadn't tested the newer multi-band devices on the GC walls in a while so was curious. Big surprise that the Mini 2 hung so well, very cool.
Thank you!
Have the Epix Gen 2 and for me its Garmin all the way!
Thanks for doing this.
Great video, thanks for sharing.
I am currently saving up for the Garmin 67i gps.
JT
Awesome & Thanks :)
Great video!
Please try to compare several models of Android phones on a future hike.
great videos. I always want reviews of every feature like this. Absolute GPS accuracy is not necessary. but I want to see who has make it better, like Ulefone they have dual-band and they say it gives better accuracy but actually it is not quite accurate in this test. interesting
If you can, please do this GPS test for other brands or phone models. Carrying 10 phones while hiking seems to be funny haha
One small thing to consider with regard to the watches they are on your wrist and have much smaller antennas.
The others generally in this type of situation would be in a pocket or somewhere in a back pack, where they would not be moving quite so erratically.
I have the Epix pro 51mm fabulous watch and I find way more accurate than my iPhone 14 Pro Max when you get to small intricacies of a trail, although in open sky situations they can even determine which side of a path you’ve travelled on.
As a general route recording tool most of the gps enabled devices these days are accurate enough.
Interesting test though
Another useful video! The Apple Watch Ultra was not too bad.
Great test. I wonder how it would be in the forest.
Super video and very interesting
Good vid. Interesting.
Are you sure none of these devices are snapping the trackline to a known hiking trail? Great walkthrough of the trackline comparison. So beautiful out west, wow!
No cell services (airplane mode) and there were no offline maps saved via the OS so don't think Apple was doing the auto snap to road
Great comparison video! How were the conditions on South Kaibab? Are microspikes needed? And did you go up North Kaibab? I'm planning to do R2R2R on April 6.
SK was muddy with some slush at top. Didn't do NK this time. Still construction on BA pipleline - lots of crews, helicopters, etc.
How did it go?
@@alexanderkennedy1801 It went well! It snowed the night before on the south rim so there was about 1-2 inches of fresh snow on South Kaibab for the first 2-3 miles before it cleared out. It was not icy so no microspikes needed (although I did carry them just to be safe). On North Kaibab there was quite a bit of snow the last few miles to the rim. It was mostly tracked down, although there was some fresh snow. Again, it was not icy so I never used my microspikes. I was wearing a new pair of trail runners with pretty good traction. There was a lot of mud and puddles a few miles below the rim which was fun once you accepted the fact you couldn't avoid it.
@@schoukri great to hear
I would have like to known the battery life and impact on each device as well. It is only as good as it has run time . My experience is it varies and it would be great additional information. Good job!!
I enjoyed your comparison with the different gps units. I was wandering on the Apple 15 watch so you use a particular app for measurement? The same question with the Apple Ultra 2?
There're mentioned in the vid - Gaia GPS and Workoutdoors
Perhaps how they are being worn or stored makes a difference?
Well done! Best comparison I've seen. During my own extreme experience fenix 5, bending my wrist at 90 ish degrees with gloves and jacket accidentally pressed the pause button. Happened twice. Might have pushed myself over a log. Not sure.
Happens to me on fenix 7 all the time. Not pause tho, but changing data fields if you can imagine. :D
You can lock the device by pressing the menu and back buttons at the same time.
@@LK77315 that doesn't work by default on fenix 7. It has to be set in settings. I added lock device to quick functions or whatever they are called. Should suffice.
Tnx 👍
well done!
I know you are being vigilant and careful while investigating different units. But what we are looking at here are logs. The reason I point this out is for the possibility of different refresh/save intervals and averaging.
What is the experience while on trail, are the units suggesting you are in meaningfully different locations, would you get lost/fall off a cliff if you had whiteout conditions?
That movable 3D topo view is outstanding! Is that an option in Caltopo?
Not that I can see but hopefully they'll introduce it at some point.
Big thanks from germany for this comparison 🇩🇪
What about the battery drain?
How many weeks / days / hours where left on the AW Ultra 2 and Epix Pro after this day? How useful is the flashlight on the Epix Pro?
Check out my videos on the Epix and AW - this is just a GPS test
@@Hikingguy Thanks, will do.
Thanks for the video! Why pixel 7 or 8 is missing?
Garmin vs Apple video
Epic video! Gpsmap is the winner!
Yes, it appears that in some places all of them are not on the path.
This is a very good comparison, AllTrails would have been interesting vs mostly GAIA and a Sunto watch in the mix would have made this incredible. The 67i and a RINO would be the go to with a multi ban watch. Thank you for the effort.
Does the Mini2 do comparatively well because it's shoulder-mounted? Tiny difference but maybe adds up over the length of the trail?
Could be, hard to say. The 68i and Ulefone were also shoulder mounted on my buddies fyi.
Thank your for detailed comparison.
Are you able to connect Garmin Mini 2 with Garmin Connect App ?
Unfortunately not, just Explore
I teach a class to game wardens and park rangers titled, GPS for Evidentriary Use. I'm going to mention this video in my PowerPoint. Thanks.
Thank you!
With the one exception they all did rather well considering the terrain.
Yea I was surprised. I had done hikes with the Fenix 3,5,eTrex, etc over the years and they all did much better. No crazy points located a mile off the course.
@Hikingguy for all intents and purposes, for the average hiker, any of these devices will work just fine. It would come down to preferences. For longer hikes a hand held may be better only for the battery life aspect
@@rcuadro agreed
Thinking of getting an iPhone 14 or 15 and was wondering if it could replace my Garmin Inreach. Your study seems to say it can. What are your thoughts?
The best option is the inReach, but if you are in an area covered by iPhone and want to cut costs, the iPhone is a great option. Personally I keep the inReach - it's more expensive but it's my life / safety so its worth it for me.
El Garmin también es bueno, no?. Yo tengo el Fénix 7 y creo que monta el mismo sistema de GPS que el Epic. Saludos y gracias por la review 😉👍
I have a Garmin 750i but it is so complicated to use and I wonder whether you have compared this unit to compare with others in your channel.
I have a guide to the 750 on my channel but no comparison videos. I sold it a few years ago.
Please suggest the best hiking app for Apple watch Ultra.
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How did they compare w/r to elevation gain?
Good question - aside from the Ulefone, they were all within 4 feet of each other, which is amazing
0:48 GPS receivers don't transmit so they can't cause interference to each other. It's better to keep them as close as possible to minimise the difference in signal strength (e.g. due to multipath propagation).
Interesting data nevertheless, thank you for the video!
1 - sorry not implying that they transmit anything for GPS functionality
2 - I've spoken with Garmin and ZOLEO engineers in the past and they've indicated that the units should be kept apart because of potential general electromagnetic interference, and specifically from Iridium transmit interference, especially with the receivers that include on GLONASS
3 - assuming all of us moving at a hiking pace within a few feet of each other would yield similar results (from a multipath perspective)
@@Hikingguy You're right, the GLONASS L1 and Iridium are indeed pretty close together (1604 vs 1610 mhz). TIL.
In theory, every receiver emits a low level of unintentional radiation. Even if devices comply with FCC (or similar regulatory body) standards, they can still potentially interfere with each other, particularly when in close proximity.
i wonder with these tests if everyone remembers/knows to change the GPS sampling on the Garmins to 1 second intervals as its set to smart by default.
It was intentionally not set to that in this test because:
1 - I wanted it to match the "smart" recording on the other devices (which I could not set to a custom interval)
2 - You have to manually pause the GPS in that mode when you stop or you will get inflated distances from nesting
Overall if you want the most accurate track on a Garmin, set the record interval to the lowest you can, turn off smart recording, and make sure you pause it whenever you stop. That's generally how I record when creating a trail guide.
I wish you had a galaxy or a pixel.
Where is Galaxy Ultra 24? It's literally one of the best phones out there for GPS as well.
Probably in a video called Apple vs Android, not Apple vs Garmin
lol
@426moparman426 iPhone is joke.. lol
The weak point of this comparison is the potentially different and sky-starved environments for each device. There is a reason survey GPS receivers have their antenna on a pole above head level; GPS receivers work best with line of sight to the satellites and if they are blocked by your body because the receiver is in your pocket or in a backpack then they might miss some of the satellites with best geometry to determine position. The author indicated that he distributed the devices amongst his companions ‘to reduce interference’ and as a result each was really in a different environment and hence not really a fair comparison for tracking accuracy. I have heard the ‘interference’ argument about putting several GPS receivers in close proximity but I am skeptical. A more equitable test is easily imagined but putting your cell phone GPS on a platform on a pole on a sunny day is going to get it overheated pretty quickly and why would you place a GPS watch anywhere other than on your wrist? The reality is that all the tested devices would probably be adequate for hiking use but there are many other better and worse devices not included in this test. Accuracy is only one measure of a GPS device - usability, longevity, and durability are all factors that influence the total measure.
The author indicates this test ‘was designed to evaluate the performance of leading GPS devices in emergency survival scenarios and extreme conditions.' To the extent that 'extreme conditions' amounted to trails on steep canyon walls that blocked view of the sky it gave an expected result for reduced accuracy and track excursions but really gave no idea for how any of these devices would perform in an 'emergency survival scenario.'
Of all the top rated android phones why pick this one?
It has satellite communications and I'm testing it for that first
GPS tracking is meaningless if you cannot follow a route. That’s why most users that do serious MTB riding or Trail running buy Garmin. If Apple could read GPX or KML files for route tracking it would be a winner….. sadly that’s it’s downfall
The watch app “workoutdoors” takes GPX tracks and uses open street map map data for its offline map. Been very happy with it for a number of years
Alao the battery of Garmin is on another league… 🤷🏻♂️
There are apps you can use to navigate with a GPX file on a phone or Apple Watch, it's just not baked into the operating system like on Garmin. And lots of folks who just hike occasionally and want to know if their iPhone or Apple Watch will be able to record the their workout accurately.
@@Hikingguy true. I really like the footpath app I found from your channel. Granted I have a garmin inreach which I also have my route on as a backup and for SOS but I mostly will use the footpath app and my iPhone for day hikes or FarOut app if I want other waypoints on a map already in place. I don’t do many multi-day hikes since having small children so it works for me.
and the lack of long battery power, and the problem with oled overheating in warm conditions, and the lack of handlebar mounts, and so on…
now try huawei !
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It’s an android thing. Something by the lines of mass produced clothes vs tailored suits. Baggy clothes look good too but they have no place at a tailored suit occasion.
Tailored suit being IOS tailored for Apple hardware for every new gen device and mass produced clothes being one size fits all, android used on every form shape and size of hardwares.
iPhone and Apple Watch are the best. Why? Because they are multi use devices and have bought them already. Every other device costs a lot of money only for navigation.
I find the Android phone struggles interesting. I've used Android navigation, not for hiking so maybe not a great comparison, but it's always spot on in my experience. Makes me wonder if a different Android phone would have worked better?
Reviewing the Ulefone and going to do comparisons with my Google Pixel - not sure if it's a Ulefone thing or maybe just a bad day for the device
@@Hikingguy thank you for your reply, almost a rhetorical statement but it's a pleasure to hear your thoughts. Yes it would be interesting to see what the pure Google Experience is such as the Pixel. Really enjoy your channel a lot, thanks.
j@@mattsutube thank you!
The GPS tracking is a hardware thing, not software -- there's no reason to think that all Android phones will have the same GPS behavior. TBH, I've never heard of a Ulefone before -- it would probably make more sense to test mainstream phones like Samsung and Google Pixel. We just spent a month hiking in the southwest using Alltrails and a Samsung S22 with no issues (although none of our hikes were on such a well defined trails as in the Grand Canyon where it's almost impossible to wander off the preferred route, so it's harder to tell if it was the GPS that deviated a little or us). That said, we were always able to use the GPS and map to easily rejoin the trail if we'd taken a little detour.
Need samsung
Not surprised the Ulefone did terrible, considering it's a cheap no-name brand device.
Actually not, it's a new device and one of the only ones with a dedicated satellite communications via GEO satellites using Bullitt.
that ule thing is just disposable chinese junk. would be interested in seeing accuracy of genuine phones like the Galaxy ultra or a Oneplus. thanks!
I just wonder these device work in China😢
In short, just use the iphone which you already own
I had no idea that Apple was that superior to Garmin!
Exactly why I stay clear of androids
You guys rely on GPS too much, what if you run out of battery or an attack happen and your GPS is useless… GPS is nice to have but i always cross reference my location with a compass and three or more known points.
Then I use the map I carry.
Why ulefone at all? It's chinese knockoff who can claim whatever they want with no respect to their customers.
Because it has satellite connectivity and I'm testing it. The satellite messaging works well.
Anything but Apple.
Not much choice left for pocketable devices
Android is garbage as usual.
Android for the win, not.
Apple Watch in hiking?? Really? Its joke! This device can working 5 hours! Ahaha. Trash.
Also 🪦weird android phones. I'm glad you're trying them out though.