The DUMBEST Tie Fighter Variants You Probably Havenât Heard Of
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0:00 Intro
0:43 Just a Little Questionable
3:07 Design Crimes
6:09 W H Y
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TIE Scout was probably bigger with that weird thing on top because, as a long range scout, it needed more space for a pilot to be able to stretch, sleep, eat, etc. while on long missions.
It's a whole back cabin, not just on top. Has room for a whole crew. It's as long as a TIE bomber (except for one source that mixed feet and meters and made it 3.3x longer than a bomber.)
The drawing at 9:25 is from a sourcebook mixing feet and meters, it's supposed to be TIE Bomber length.
I had it as a trading card in the 90s (part of a Pokemon like game, but more complicated, with some cards being locations that provide bonuses and locations for battle, others being characters like luke or Vader, others being hand held weapons like blaster pistols, others being land vehicles, others being droids, others being ships, etc).
I wouldâve redesigned it with the wing panels out if the way as much as possible (similar to the TIE-Reaper) and changed the name to TIE-Recon.
@@eds1942 Eh, the scout likely needs the extra radiators for its output,/extra solars for silent eunning
TIE Crawler made sense as something the Warlords were throwing together when they didn't have the right parts for other vehicles, the Mauler being made at the height if the Empire made no sense.
The Tie Crawler/Maller both don't make sense to me. I mean, why make a Tie, used for space fighting, a ground attack vehicle?
As a terror weapon under the Tarkin Doctrine, it does actually make sense. They can be mass produced, would be generally immune to non-rocket man portable weapons, are quick and can swarm a defensive position faster than the rockets can be reloaded, and will make a bloody mess of any enemy infantryman who is caught out in the open⊠and by make a bloody mess of them, I mean theyâll be cleaning him off the treads with a hose. The psychological effect from watching squadmates popping under one of these and used to paint the battlefield would be, in a word⊠disturbing.
Winning against organized resistance with regular access to heavy mounted and crew served weapons and man portable rockets, along with vehicles of their own, it will not. Subjugation of softer civilian populations however⊠it may have been a favorite among more sadistic governors and Moffs.
@@Zeknif1 That I feel like imo furthers the fact it made more sense after the fall tho
@@umbra6772 The TIE Maulers actually make the most sense in a Pre-Yavin period of time where either they were either largely engaged in population suppression and actions against disparate resistance movements, or were still at least under the illusion that they were fighting against unorganized and/or uncoordinated rebel groups. A logical shift away from Mauler production would be after the publication of Mon Mothmaâs Declaration of Rebellion (Around 2 BBY in both continuities). A post Endor production run would see the Maulers pitted against a New Republic with openly industrial production levels of man portable anti-vehicle weapons and weapons platforms⊠precisely the sort of thing the Mauler would have been rendered obsolete by. More intelligent governors and Moffs probably would have begun phasing them out once they noticed that some cells like Saw Garerraâs Partisans were exceptionally well equipped and well informed and started asking the important questions about Rebel logistics.
â@Brian Runyon if I recall, SFS had a bunch of extra TIE cockpits lying around and pitched the idea of a TIE tank as a ground vehicle that could be repaired by the same technicians who repaired TIE craft, all so they could get some more cash from the Imperial military.
The designers who created these aircraft truly possessed hidden talent that they should have kept hidden
Wouldnât they be spacecraft rather then aircraft
U right
The tie interceptor with rockets wasn't that bad put the guns back on and its completely redeemed
i laughed way to hard bruuuh â ïžđ€Ł
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To clarify, it is important to remember that none of the TIE Experimental M1-5s were finalized designs. They look so odd because they were, as the names reveal, experimental prototypes designed to test specific functions and all controlled from the safety of a Shuttle or ship at range, effectively making them remote controlled drones so that one could have the cheapness of Droid fighters, but with human adaptability from a safe distance. If aspects would have been successful, then the aspects that excelled would have been focused on and new designs tailored around those in the next iteration.
Which is probably also why they removed the laser canons as they weren't needed for tests. If any of them made it to production they probably would still have them
@@dominiklehn2866: experimentals with turbo lasers might still not have any regular laser canons due to power restrictions.
The m1 - m5 were the defenders research prototypes.
@@DavidisWarpd only partly, they were also experiments to test the viability of remote controlled Starfighters and more specialized designs. The Defender was the result of the research into the TIE Advanced X1 and the TIE Avenger combined with technology obtained from two alien parties.
Also, any concerns about landing are easily addressed by noting that they weren't intended to land. They docked in cradles.
At least the idea of shielded TIEs and the legendary TIE Defender (with the short-lived yet grandiose Missile Boat following suit) happened because of all this experimental prototype kriffery, followed up with the legacy craft that is the TIE Predator.
Anyways, pays to go beyond the casualness of Squadrons, this X-Wing video games know-how.
TIE/D actually makes sense if you have TIE fighters but no pilots. I actually like it as it makes sense that the Remnant wouldn't have alot of pilots and needed to recycle existing hulls
And the World Devastatirs churned them out *En Situ.* Endless fighters.
And add in it was made BEFORE the vulture was designed in real life
@@DIEGhostfish It's easy to forget about these days, but the Tie/D predates the prequels. It isnt a vulture droid but worse... Vulture droids are Tie/Ds from a more civilized age.
If the world devastators story was revisited in newcanon, it would absolutely be a rogue CIS mining/manufacturing facility spitting out Vultures.
The Imperial Remnant under Palpatine isn't going to reuse the Vulture design. One, they already have the machinery to make TIEs, and two the Droids were the loser bad guys in the Clone Wars, they wouldn't want to be seen in the same light.
@@paulrasmussen8953 my understanding is that it was also cheaper and had a longer flight time than the vulture droid.
The Imperial Design Bureau would like to thank you for your feedback. Revulsion was the intended reaction to our TIE development program. We cannot express how difficult it is to maintain proper levels of fear when the citizenry puts up posters of your fighters simply because "they look cool."
Would like to see a video about fighter mashups. Think they called them âuglies.â Some of those were.. Well, crimes against engineering.
I think I remember reading about them in the Vector Prime books, right? Like a combo TIE-X-Wing that was used in Landoâs race track.
ââ@@felicitys3621 that was *a* variant, though the one people tend to think of most as a crime against engineering was the "DIE-Wing": A Y-Wing with the large engines replaced by a TIE's solar panels, because why not slap that together out of spare parts instead of putting extra engines on a TIE cockpit?
@@nicholasfarrell5981 No. The TYE-Wing (known to opposing pilots as DIE-Wings), actually were worse they took the nacelles from a Y-Wing and mated them to the side of a TIE Fighter Cockpit. The resulting craft basically had the weaknesses of both the Y-Wing and the TIE Fighter making it really a subpar fighter. You are thinking of the Y-TIE which is a better better as it retained the shields of the Y-Wing and sported quad TIE Fighter Laser Cannons with two of them replacing the Ion Cannon Turret on top of the cockpit. It also sported the Ion Engines of the TIE Fighter as well.
That said. There in fact some very interesting Ugly Fighter Variants out there. Like the Chir'daki which is a set of s-foils from an X-Wing mated to a rotating collar on the back of a TIE Cockpit ball. The resulting fighter was a Fast and maneuverable fighter sporting quad laser cannons along with a Hyperdrive. Then there is the Clutch which took the basic Cockpit Ball of a TIE and mated three fins to it. Kind of like the TIE Phantom just not typical TIE panel wings. It even sported shields and an Ion Cannon on the top fin. A RPG Tabletop Game a friend was playing once sported the Z-Wing which was the Body of a Z-95 Headhunter with the S-Foils of an X-Wing mated to it. That fighter was an interesting design.
I'm personally a fan of the TIE-clutch, which is basically just a regular TIE cockpit ball with three sets of collector panels/wings and (I think) some uprated guns.
They may even have thrown a shield generator in there to even further fly in the face of the Tarkin Doctrine.
@Robert Drexel okay, thanks; I always get those two mixed up. Also, wasn't the Chir'daki the one that the Twi'leks used in the X-Wing novels?
2:24 Iâm surprised that you didnât mention the fact that Droneâs armour is actually better than the TIE Interceptorâs armour
That's still not that good.
@@demi-femme4821 yeah. I just find it funny how they apparently value the non-piloted versions over the manned ones.
A good pilot is way harder to come by than a good machine
Drone ships by matter of corse tend to be better then piloted ships because of the lack of need for all the stuff that keeps the piglet alive.
TIE Interceptor will always be my favorite TIE variant, great design, incredible speed and maneuverability, decent firepower, and a great lore reason for being made (before Disney retconned everything at least)
What about the updated tie baron, tie difender, tie avenger?
my personal favorite was the TIE defender, but that one actually had good reason to be the way it is.
I prefer the TIE defender
I would really jump in a TIE- defender for survivability, the avenger was mostly a V-Wing starfighter in the classic TIE-Configuration, and the TIE Baron is just a buffed up Interceptor, I think.
The Defender always struck me as too much ship for its size. Every other TIE had some tradeoff because technology had limits. You only have so much power for so many system and so much engines to move so much mass so if you wanted something fast and maneuverable you could only have so much ship. The Tri-Fighter is a much more reasonable vehicle with much of the Defender's capabilities, only less.
You're not giving the Raptor enough credit; it doesn't just look silly, but it violates the logic of starship design. It has 4 cannons, 2 missile launchers, is more maneuverable and can even mount a hyperdrive and sometimes shields while being smaller than an A-Wing. It makes every other ship design that came after stupid for not using the similar ultralight, ultracompact components to create pocket-sized death-machines.
I guess I'll give those flying coffins that.
The smaller tech required to fit inside such a limited space would probably have been much more expensive to produce than standard starfighter parts, and probably harder to maintenance as well. Like the difference between a desktop PC and a compact laptop.
Its conodicaly almost the same lenth as a normal TIE/ln. The design has a bigger ball in that one bad drawing we have of it beacuse its from Cracken's Threat Dossier. I think the fanart picture of it that Geet showed makes more sense.
The TiE Raptor is probably the most terrifying one, replace the organic with a drone, you could carry thousands of them just completely overwhelming the opposition. But that actually makes sense đ€Łđ€Ł
except that droid pilots have proven to be inherently inferior to organics in SW countless times. That was part of the reason for the poor performance of the TIE Droid.
Basically droid Tri-fighters.
It's more terrifying trying to pilot one, it's basically a flying coffin
@@w1ndgeneral226 It's essentially like a sub-par variant of the Ball from the Gundam universe....except that the Ball was actually decent, and in the hands of a skilled pilot it was absolutely capable of taking out an enemy mobile suit by itself. Even more than that, they were very, *VERY* cheap and easy to both produce and maintain in large numbers and they could even be quickly and easily retrofitted out of non-combat space pods if need be. Though I'd argue that the Ball is a better overall design, as it's decently mobile when it needs to be, has some hefty firepower with it's top-mounted 180mm Low-Recoil Cannon, and it also has two manipulator arms mounted to the bottom that can be used in very clever ways (for instance, Shiro Amada grabbed a chunk of debris from a destroyed warship's hull to use as an impromptu shield while engaged in one-on-one combat with a Zaku R-4). And yet the Ball still was given the nickname of the "Floating Coffin".
The tie tanks were meant to use cheap mass produced materials, with the pilots being washouts from the fighter schools.
So they were using spare parts laying around, and finding a use for the washouts (they were already familiar with the controls, so easier to get them into the tanks)
Also anyone whoâs used the tie mauler in Empire at war knows just how silly these things are. They can crush infantry which canât escape due to its speed, and self destruct dealing insane damage.
Impractical but fun in swarms
Yep, the Tie tanks are essentially the technicals of the Star Wars Universe.
Some of those are the result of Raith Sienar getting drunk or coming up with stuff for fun... And then some jackass in the Navy actually wanted them into production, and Raith Sienar being also a businessman he did it.
Then there's Grand Admiral Demetrius Zaarin's obsession with specialized craft, what with his Project Obsidian whimsies.
â@Michael Andrei Palon Zaarin just gave Sienar all the spice he needed.
Some of the tie experimentals were actually quite capable and probably capable of more than a regular tie.
Yeah, i remember those from the X-wing alliance game and they were pretty dangerous, specially the m3 and m4s
@@Ptaaruonn same. And they eventually did lead to the tie advanced and defender.
The TIE Crawler was the weirdest. I mean it's literally a tank with the TIE fighter ball cockpit. I know it probably doesn't count but I really think it should
That mf literally has two big blind spots, and they TRACKS no less
The first tank in the world slapped at the very least a machine gun on the sides, the empire literally has no excuse for this
@@choreani and the armor isn't even good enough. Wasn't even good enough to compete with most Rebel tanks. The TIE Crawler may as well be made of paper mache. And the design just feels sarcastic and lazy. I mean, what did they do, take this ball cockpit and slap tank treads on the sides?
â@Prince Of Pokemon it's actually pretty durable, starfighters, even TIEs tend to be built better than most ground vehicles, going by how WEG scaled their vehicles. AND THE crawler had reinforcement added inside and out.
According to what i heard the Crawler only existed because Sienar really wanted to sell a bunch of spare TIE cockpits that they made and were collecting dust after Endor.
Agreed.
It's not an official variant but I still think the cobbled together "TYE Wing" deserves mention. One of the more common "uglies" from Legends, they are made from the body of a TIE with the engines of a Y-wing. It featured the firepower and durability of a TIE fighter combined with the speed and maneuverability of a Y-wing; unsurprisingly it was also referred to as a the Die-wing.đ
Also known as the WHY-Wing ^^
The TIE Scout is an insult to its name, slow, hard to maneuver, and joke of a power does not make for a good scout aka stealthy reconnaissance.
The CIVILIAN model is actually a massive improvement.
Good video, the ONLY reason I would Ever utilize the TIE Scout is for fleet hyperspace jumps (like in EAW)
"The TIE Bizarro was an excellent concept and idea. When it was introduced as an RPG ship, our squadron was equipped with four of them, and I had the privilege to pilot one until I had the opportunity to switch to a TIE Scimitar.
The turbo laser was a powerful asset, giving a substantial attack boost to a squadron of TIE fighters. A single hit was all it took to take down an A-Wing and even obliterate the reinforced shields of an X-Wing, which typically withstand six double hits.
The original TIE Fighters, as you may know, were not equipped with landing systems. The TIE Bizarro, however, was ingeniously designed to dock using the same landing clamps as a standard TIE Fighter. This facilitated the formation of an attack squadron comprised of 8 TIE Fighters and 4 Bizarros, as opposed to 12 TIE Fighters requiring support from TIE Bombers and their torpedo payload. This change represented an efficient and effective evolution in our combat tactics."
I think Palpatine sought to get some simple pleasures out of seeing peopleâs reactions to any outrageous and impractical TIE series vehicles on the table, hence why any of them exist.
He was def drunk when designing these
@@thecakeisalie3981 I dont think he designed any of them himself lol. Maybe the drone?
The only thing I'll defend is the idea to make TIEs drone fighters, given how cheaply quickly they could be made and the fact that they didn't have shields, they were more suited to the role of a B1 in a sense, just throw it at the enemy and overwhelm them with numbers. Why waste the lives of perfectly good soldiers who could be used for other tasks by having them pilot these flimsy things when you could have made them drones. The Empire may have taken some inspiration from the Vulture Droid with the TIEs, attempting to combat them, but they didn't take the most effective part, the Droid aspect.
And thet were litterally churned out by World Devastators, Babby's first Von Neumann Probe.
Not gonna lie. I love it when I see Geetslyâs or Ecks use screenshots of those old (now cringeworthy) 3D models I made back in Junior High. Just makes me smile thinking back on them.
The Empire must been doing a lot of drugs with these Tie crafts.
I actually like the idea of several of these! Especially the TIE raptor. It would be pretty fun to do a mark two of some of the designs imagine if the scout was repurposted with the mini-turbolaser and shield? The booster could be made into a add-on perhaps with hyperdrive etc
Yeah, if they had a shield, then those flying coffins could be pretty effective.
Do forget about the horrific junk fighters that became common after the Battle of Endor, and the innumerable junk fighters that were made out of Tie Fighters parts.
If I were to fly anyone of those, it'd be the Experimental M2 BigGun, mostly due to it's firepower. Can't imagine using it in a starfighter dogfight though, it seems more like an anti-armour weapon like the Ju-87 G1 from ww2.
The M2 could aim behind itself and had sheilds. Seems better then a nomral TIE/ln at least. The M1 is pretty much what you just described lol.
I honestly don't think the TIE Scout looked all that bad, I actually like the way the taller wings look
âSo the cockpit doesnât roll away if the pilot land it on the groundâ
I donât know why I found that so funny but I literally Laughed out Loud!
As silly as the TIE Raptor looks, it could dish out some punishment, considering its armament. Though imo, the TIE Hunter would be my TIE of choice. Having almost as much ordinance as a Y-Wing with the speed (and S-Foils) like an X-Wing? Pretty deadly, I'd say.
The lack of shields and the inability to use the speed and firepower at the same time are both pretty glaring issues with the TIE Hunter. In terms of perfection, you simply can't beat the TIE Avenger and Defender.
@Grand Admiral Zaarin That's a good point. I may adore the Hunter, but I can't deny how incredible those latter two TIE craft are, man. The Defender I'm still fond of from back when I played Galactic Battlegrounds. Good times.
@@GumiNightPower you should give TIE Fighter Total Conversion a look then. It's a mod for X Wing Alliance that brings it into the modern day and it's pretty amazing.
@Grand Admiral Zaarin Will do!
There was a TIE Scout upgraded version that had shields, and IIRC 2 guns. And was sold on the civilian market in the New Republic era.
Are you sure you're not thinking of the Aggressor? They kinda look similar.
Ah you're right, and it's from media somehow more obscure than empire at War these days.
To be honest the TIE D could work from a strategic POV. When pilots are rare to come by and all you have is mass producability and swarm tactics, the TIE D starts to look more attractive
Especially when you consider that "pilot training" would take about as long as a software update. You could almost deploy them as fast as you can produce them.
@@justindunlap1235 Almost.
@@justindunlap1235 That's actually what was happening. The Dark Empire was using the World Devastators, giant mobile factories that consumed a planet's resources and converted it to both making the Devastator larger as well as building new material for the war effort. The World Devastators were actively pumping out TIE Droids built from the very materials they were collecting, meaning that even if you destroyed every escort a Devastator had it could just rebuild them soon.
And you can still use your existing TIE pilots where they would make the biggest impact.
@@ReisskIaue True.
The dumb thing about all but 5 or so TIE designs is the big panels blocking the pilot's sight lines.
Not the case in the slightest. The TIE wings don't block anything. It's the ball cockpit that does. The TIE Fighter has the exact same field of vision as the Raptor
Honestly I'd argue that the experimental ones for as dumb as they were are likely idea boards that served an additional purpose than just being a failed ship from day one
Honestly, I think some of the Uglies (fighters built from scraps of other ships kit-bash style) probably had better designs than some of these.
Do you know how the Uglies are called in my language (german)?
Bastards.
They're called Bastards.
Does fit well, doesn't it?
@@dorianwiesner4477 Indeed it does.
â@@PhoenyxAshe I dunno, I prefer not to rely on spittle and prayers to keep my starfighter from falling to pieces during takeoff.
TIE Mauler also has blowing itself up as a standard operating procedure
There was a tie crawler Lego set. I thought it was so cool when I was little, and I still do. The wings could flip around!
Missed opportunity to say "The imperials reinvented the wheel here, and they made it a rectangle."
Seems like they let their kids design some imperial fighters
The Senate never sanctions stupidity.
The Bizarro has two whole reactors for an actually usable turbolaser.
In fairness the TIE-D came out well over a decade before the Prequel movies did so at the time it was rather cool! And in universe they were pretty dangerous - we see them in swarms taking out tons of far more advanced fighters that the New Republic fielded against them.
In universe World Devastators could just suck up debris from destroyed craft and debris, fabricate and deploy it out as TIE-D's mid battle as reinforcements so they could literally be forged in a fight!
Honorable mention goes to the TIE Brute. Itâs essentially a TIE/LN with a turbolaser attached to its side like the Experimental M1. I donât know if it also has standard laser cannons, but I do know that attaching a capital-ship grade weapon to a small starfighter is silly when it takes more fuel to fire, and theyâre not as fast or precise enough to shoot down opposing starfighters.
9:24 that's from an error where someone mixed feet and meters. It's SUPPOSED to be TIE Bomber length, not 3.3x thst.
Oh, that last one is just so comical, I have to presume it was either the result of trying to scam people out of money, OR it was a designer who was just like "FINE, You want some new variant, I'll give you this monstrosity, then you'll understand why we haven't changed the base design..."
My favorite and lesser know Tie is the Tie Star Cruiser. Big, Slow, and Ugly but their always a sense of Dread seeing them slowly lumber through the battlefield because you know it can whip out your army in one shot. Many times one of these ship turn the tides of a battle for me in Star Wars Galactic Battleground. Haven't seen anyone talk about it even in Tie related video and I always suggested these ships.
Ty never heard of that one before!
One thing to remember is that TIE fighters never actually landed on the ground. TIE fighters were always launched from special racks in the hangar bay. This is something that Disney grossly overlooked/ignored and drives me crazy every time I see a TIE fighter "land" on the ground
I remember the TIE/D actually coming in a LEGO set of 4 TIE's. 2 standard and an Interceptor came with it as well.
That was where I first saw it also.
I have that. It think it called âTIE Fighter Collectionâ. It had two standard TIE, Darth Vaderâs TIE Advance, and a Droid TIE, making it the first lego Star Wars set to feature a vehicle from the Expanded Universe.
The quality of video production dropped like a rock in this video.
A lot of what was being said didn't match up with the images shown,despite clearly having the images for it soon after.
Officer: âproudly presents tie bizarro designs to meâ
Me: are you alright in the head?
"So, what if we made a Tie Fighter...but worse and it looks like a child made it."
"I'll take those blueprints for a million credits."
Got click baited by the possibility of Defender slander that I would not have. Thanks thumbnail. Lmao
You're right to lambast these *abominations.* I would *never* fly any of them. Instead, I'd prefer to be an ace in a TIE Interceptor.
There is one good reason I can think of for removing the standard laser cannons from the cockpits of the M-1 and M-2. With the upgraded weapons they may not have had a large enough power plant to support the standard weapons as well, so they removed them in favor of dedicating as much power to the larger weapons as possible.
No excuse for removing them from the M-3 though.
I don't know much about the TIE-D.... but their cockpits were always spotless!! đđ
Why was the TIE Defender on the thumbnail? It was better armed, shielded, and had more flexibility than any other Republic fighter of the era and it was one of the best starfighters _period._ It was as fast as an A-Wing or TIE Interceptor, it was as well shielded as an X-wing, and as well armed as a B-Wing easily. Unless its purely to draw a distinction, it seems bizarre to put it on the thumbnail for this video.
TIE RC is capable of detecting ships on the far side of a system, and could scan underground structures.
It's niche, but useful.
Unpopular opinion, I actually like the Tie experimental M1 a lot.
Bizzaro is the best. TIE Brute of newcanon is a cheap knockoff.
(4:55) Someone still plays "Spore"? The game of my childhood.
Anyway, I think airlock is a little overkill for creators of these "designs". I would send the men responsible to Kessel, maybe there they'd put a thought about what've gone wrong and what they'd do better.
People trash the TIE Crawler, but you gotta admit that the Lego setâs box art made it look awesome
Well yeah and even the LEGO set itself looks awesome, but LEGO can do that with any ship/vehicle.
I mean I even think that the TIE Crawler looks cool regardless. Is it a stupid idea that makes no sense? Absolutely. But it's literally a TIE Fighter but instead of wings it has tank treads! What's not cool about that?
Well let's be honest, it's cooler than the TIE Raptor.
The fun thing about Tie Mauler is, because it was drived on chains and are fast, the pilots can just mow over infantry. it is still bad, because it need one shot from a rocket launcher or a laser cannon from a T2B to destroy it, but at least, it had a terrifying effect for infantry
One thing I love about these crazy ship designs, is that Lego made the TIE Crawler and the TIE-D (Drone) into sets back in 2003
There were also the abominations created by pirates where the engines of a Y-Wing were grafted to the ball cockpit of a TIE Fighter to create something that was the worst of both worlds by having poor defenses and being slow and sluggish. In the X-Wing books they are most known for the speed with which they get exploded when fighting anything at all piloted by anyone remotely competent.
I see your farming those rage clicks with the TIE Defender in the thumbnail.
A couple of defences:
- The idea of the TIE Scout, I think, was that it should be fitted with a tiny Master hyperdrive, similar to those of cruiser class ships, so that it wouldn't leave any theoretically traceable logs in the hyperspace lane systems, that smaller conventional craft would use to travel by. Hence, the massive hump on it's back.
- The M3 was just mobile artillery, designed off a TIE due to the cost-efficiency of those blueprints. Maybe it could've had a single turret for defence, but it wasn't really supposed to be in the thick of battle, just creep along the outskirts, and snipe a quick big hit, before returning to their hangar to reload. It didn't need dogfight lasers.
- The TIE Bizarro doesn't land, it either gets guaranteed destroyed in any engagement that would welcome a fast mobile turbolaser, or provide ineffective supporting fire, area denial in squads, far enough away from combat, to return to hang in tractor suspension, like the Milenium Falcon hung beneath the frigate in the closing scene of ESB.
One tie wing between two cockpit balls
-Geetsly 2023
The Bad Piggies font on the thumbnail is a nice touch
"experimental" another word for prototype.... someone doesn't know anything about manufacturing or RnD, most things look stupid like these ships before the ideas are refined
Imagine there were a bunch of Imperial remnant warlords in the sequels and you could tell how strong their faction is based on the level of how Tie Variants look.
The better they look, the stronger the army is. The laughably bad, the weaker they are.
If I HAD to pilot one of these it would be the kamikaze bomb. I know, it's pilotless, but I'd rather be blown to bits by a proton torpedo than be seen in an M1
The fact that the Empire chose to discontinue the clone trooper program and instead fund these ridiculous projects is a testament to why it only lasted a generation.
In fairness to the TIE Mauler, it functions more like a light/scout tank, which are never really meant to withstand punishment - they prioritize speed and mobility over armor. Best case, it was light calvary that supported infantry or armor in flanking maneuvers, and for flanking, you need speed and mobility in order to get into position before your infantry/armor is overwhelmed.
Though I doubt it was that fast, it might have been fast enough for the job. As far as profiles go, it was probably much better than the AT-ST, which towered on two rather lanky legs; a low-crawling Mauler is not going to be spotted as easily as a tall standing/walking scout walker, and without noisy TIE engines, it might have also been comparatively quieter. Granted, the AT-ST was comparatively more armed and armored, but it still depends on the terrain and tactics being utilized.
Of course, its effectiveness was likely questionable at best. Given that it had an overload feature that basically turned it into a kamikaze in Empire at War, it probably was not something most ground vehicle operators wanted to pilot.
Heyyyy! Donât bully the TIE Crawler, I wanted that to add to my Star Wars Lego sets when I was a kid.
"It's appearance was an absolute crime against humanity."
To be fair those are the guys who didn't mind blowing up entire planets.
I am totally in agreement on the Tie Crawler and "Mauler." Aside from being very bad at being tanks, there was no sense in using TIE parts in them anyway. "Oh, it helps in familiarity when our rare in number fighter pilots can be retrained to drive tanks along the ground... What do you mean it would take less time to train tank drivers and just build more tanks rather than retrofit fighter facilities to build TIE tanks?" ...But I will defend the first two of the TIE experimentals to my last breath. Here is a mad science project more fitting for the Empire. They were test runs of starfighters that were thrown into combat (and that's the type of budget shenanigans and corruption that you expect from the Empire anyway.) The M1 and M2 in particular give you something that normal TIE squadrons lack. Heavy firepower in a small and agile fighter package. A bunch of M1s will have the firepower of a capital ship while being agile enough that the enemy needs other fighters or anti-fighter turret screens to take them out. (Which ironically would make them really good against the Imperium, since anti-fighter capability was their biggest weakness.) The experimental with the dual rocket launchers had a flaw as it would have needed the cannons to have firepower after the first rocket volley, but maybe this was a flaw of it being a testbed and not the finished product? Now, the kamikaze-experimental has no excuse. Just make a better torpedo and you'll do the same job at a fraction of the cost. ...In fact, all the experimentals seem to be still in the "experiment" phase and had they spent more time planning and testing before throwing them to real combat (typical Empire arrogance probably) they might have come up with a few good TIEs from that bunch.
I love how you used the Star Wars: Battlefront Cover Art for the opening of this video :)
your intro gives me such nostalgia kicks i love it
Can Confirm: that video was a violation of the Yavin Convention.
im so into how this channel will not break the 4th wall as in the imperial engineers were idiots and not the design team on a given project was on weed
As soon as you mentioned that the previous ones 'were at least starfighters', I knew the tanks were coming. I freaking love the TIE Tanks, the Mauler and Crawler. They're just so goofy and scrungly. I love them.
The M/1 Bizarro looks to be a test bed for drone-control flight as a "proof of concept" lab design, and not something that was intended for mass production whatsoever.
The TIE Scout's ugly top does serve one very logical function: Living space, and storage supply space for long distance recon. It was lightly armed and unshielded because it was never intended to fight, and had to be livable for extended periods of time.
However, my issue with the TIE Scout raises an even greater question about its purpose: Why bother when a non-TIE vessel would be more effective in the same role? There are GOBS of frigate-merchant navies in the setting in the Empire era. Why not just buy a light frigate design and then militarize it? What exactly makes the TIE design suitable for this?
A YT-1300, which is an ANCIENT design by the Galactic Empire era, is far better armed (with two Turrets and forward firing weaponry) better shielded, reasonably fast, HIGHLY modifiable and even in the base model is perfectly equipped for carrying 1-3 operatives very long distances entirely on its own supply.
Make that your baseline of performance, and get Sienar Fleet Systems to build something around it.
If we assume that the factories were 90%+ automated, the TIE tanks at least make sense- a draftsman probably took the ball, generator, and everything else, dropped it into their version of autoCAD. Did the same with a found design for the tracks. That took the afternoon after the meeting. Reworking the power system so rather than driving an ion engine it fed the tracks probably took the most time, two days tops. Drop it in the computer and let it churn simulations over night. Fix bits, have the computer draw up the needed plans for the molds. A tank in five days. Droids don't get weekends off. So they've probably got prototypes in a couple days, no major issues found after a couple days on the range. Put it into serial production on day 10. Simulators exist, they just need new software. One crew member, use washouts from TIE training and "volunteers"- I"m sure every CAG has a couple of dumbasses he'd like to make an example of.
One of my favorites that wasn't mentioned, and probably because perhaps it might not be too ridiculous a design, save for its overall size, is the TIE Punisher. Essentially, a TIE Bomber with a central cockpit surrounded by four bombing pods in an X configuration, flanked by the two bent-wing solar panels, so you can imagine it is somewhat wider and taller than the vanilla TIE Bomber. The first time I saw this was as a miniature for the table top game Star Wars X-wing. I had to get this miniature (and have several miniatures from both X-wing and Armada ...the capital ship table top board game). I don't know if the Punisher ever appeared in any Star Wars EU/Legends novels. Gotta say, I love the miniatures made for both X-wing and Armada.
The "Punisher" is both canon to Disney's Canon and to the Expanded Universe! Dont think its in any novels but was in a video game. Also known as the TIE/IT Interdictor.
@@LukeSkydragon Sweet! Thanks for the info.
LucasFilm designers... "heh heh, yeah... Those Imperial engineers sure suck... It's all their fault. Look, we were just told to sell more toys, okay?"
A bit of context with the TIE/D.
They were designed to be built and used by Palpatines "New Superweapon" the World Devastator.
The World Devastator was a giant, mobile, factory created to consume rebellious worlds piece by piece and use the materials to create weapons for Palpatines "Dark Empire".
The primary defense for the World Devastator, besides its own sheids and armo(u)r, was the TIE/D, which the Devastator itself would create and control: by the _MILLIONS_ given the chance.
According to Legends, these things were all but unstoppable by conventional means(one of these things went up against a Star Destroyer and ate it) and fleets of Devastators were sent to multiple New Republic worlds simultaneously.
The World Devastator fleets were only stopped when Luke Skywalker, nd R2-D2, after infiltrating one and stealing enough data, created a virus that destroyed the Devastators CPU.
TLDR:
Was the TIE/D worse than the Vulture? Probably.
Would that matter when, without Luke and R2, there would have been an almost _INFINITE_ amount of them across the galaxy? No.
"Whichever Imperial bureaucrat signed off on this should have been thrown out an airlock"
Given that it was probably Palpatine, I wholeheartedly agree. :P
The stupid TIE variants all hold a special place in my heart BECAUSE of how stupid they are. They are peak ridiculous Legends.
TIE Scout looks like it should be piloted by Lonestar and barf. The TIE Winnebago đ
7:30 I think this could have a reasonable use, mainly as a starship killer where it would be based at a small imperial base that lacked any local star destroyer cover. It's use would likely be to intercept and unload missiles into hostile starships for quick destruction before fighters could be deployed.
It just reminds me of some WWII aircraft that were designed to launch really quick to intercept bombers, make a couple strafing passes and then return. Given that reason, the removal of it's standard weaponry could make some sense, where it would have been to reduce weight as it wouldn't be expected to have a long drawn out fight, but a quick strafe or two of a much bigger ship before returning
OUI, THE TIE CRAWLER IS PRECIOUS they made a lego set about it đ
I liked the Tie Scout. Most of the others I get, but I liked the scout. Like a small car home when you go camping. Plus I could see the upper part as housing the hyperdrive possibly. I think it was okay, though why the Empire would have more then a ISD2 Hangars full of them⊠I would not understand.
As a True fan, I knew all of these.
You may bow.
The Tie scout is most likely meant to be a sort of relay scout, simply put, "here is the ship, here are the supplies for several days, now go to this very remote part and hide in this area."
As in its meant to be observation, send it out if you think some rebels or some other action is being extra sneaky in an area.
So in a way, this ship is like an extra scout, the deep scout, he/she is gonna fly out to very distant places and hide out for who knows how long.
As for the Tie D, I think its meant to be a filler for certain carriers incase you don't have the man power.
The Tie Tank is a definition of "We need tanks but we dont have tanks", I mean it makes sense for the lack of tanks as tanks themselves are a whole different logistic.
The remote control tie missile? BRAH, you call that stupid, you are related to humans who invented something that exists in real life. So its most likely meant to be a long range missile strike.
As for the last tie fighter, I think the idea is meant to a case of "one person focuses on flying while the other person focuses on shooting, most likely ground targets or large starships.
the TIE LN's job was something different then a tie fighter. They were supposed to act as forward observers for star destroyers... with the star destroyer using the Tie LN's sensor information for long range targeting and bombardment. They would also do after action reports with their sensors monitoring damage done by the guns.
my headcanon to make the Tie Crawler even remotely tolerable is that they were phasing out ties without the interceptor's new ion stream projector and thought they could be decent second-line tank hunters, reusing the cockpits of the older fighters.
I have no idea what the cannon reason, if any, for the Empire's tie tank are. It definitely not a good war fighting tank, but come with me to the fanfic zone to consider how I imagine it happened.
Rebel and dissident activities are causing annoying disruptions. Anti repulsor lift weaponry and tactics nullify a lot of existing policing vehicles , and rough enough terrain (e.g lots of deep fissures) could hamper scout walkers.
The engineers are told to design something to solve it quickly, before the Emperor visits.
Enter the tie tank, using as many existing designs as possible, it drastically cuts down on design and production time (most of it's already built). It can cross even the largest fissures with its massive treads, while being unaffected by anti repulsorlift strategies. Not heavily protected true, but it can resist hand blaster fire and reduce any makeshift fortifications to rubble.
I can imagine an engineering team being quite pleased with themselves for coming up with such an easy to implement design. Even if it's far from ideal.
The TIE crawler kicks ass. Fight me.
empire at war fan .
The only reason I can see the original lasers removed from the ones with the wing mounted ones is maybe it wouldn't have the energy to run both. But that doesn't exactly work for the concussion missile one since missiles don't tend to require a ton of energy that isn't stored inside the missile. And you'd think they'd just be able to swap from big guns to smaller ones and redirect the reactor's energy
Unless you were there trying to defend the Mon Calimari Cruiser Liberty against them, then you wouldn't dare call the experimental tie swarms useless. By the force I still get ptsd from sll those concussion missiles snd kamikaze ties.
storing: since every tie stored with claws grabbing the connections between the wings and the cockpit, most has no issue with storing, so that part is not an issue.
the turbolaser on the m1 meant it can one shot most fighters and do serious damage to even capital ships, so not really a problem to lose the normal laser pair, even if it should stay for saving the big gun for actual targets that need it. the rocket launcher variant also has no issue, i mean, most actual fighters ditched the cannon or other gun for more rockets, and very few can carry more than 16 of them, in full load, not in normal load. if the kept the interceptors speed and maneuverability, than it is a more dangerous bomber than the bomber itself, and can defend almost as well.
the tie crawler is an in universe thing, spaceships have better armor and firepower than most land vehicle, so the tie fighter is actually on par with other armor in defense and well above in offense. Adding the scrapyard benefit, any damaged tie/ln can be turned into a somewhat decent land combat vehicle while repairs are not possible for full space fighter state.