Performer Reacts to Seventeen 'Mansae' MV + Dance Practice

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Komentáře • 524

  • @tenzintsepel4204
    @tenzintsepel4204 Před 3 lety +1092

    Even when they were rookies, SEVENTEEN were known as KINGS OF SYNCHRONIZATION👑😌

  • @ja1key
    @ja1key Před 3 lety +1171

    Dokyeom: doing the highnotes in the dance practice
    Jeff: oh the Seungkwan highnotes

    • @JeffAvenue
      @JeffAvenue  Před 3 lety +269

      oh whoops! sorry! I knew it was either seungkwan or dk. hehe

    • @chabs987
      @chabs987 Před 3 lety +93

      @@JeffAvenue no worries it's really difficult to distinguish their voices sometimes^^

    • @saur_sop99
      @saur_sop99 Před 3 lety +65

      I think that as time passes by you can completely distinguish one from other like even listening to new songs without watching the lyrics or line distributions but you already know who's who...and as we know they also dubbed their parts in dance practices so its easy to distinguish

    • @saur_sop99
      @saur_sop99 Před 3 lety +25

      I think the most difficult is the scoups/vernon singing and dk/seungkwan high notes hahaha

    • @chabs987
      @chabs987 Před 3 lety +17

      @@saur_sop99 yes i agree with this!
      Bonus: Seungkwan x Dino and Woozi x Joshua in Lie Again
      I remember all carats being shocked when it was revealed that Dino and Joshua were the ones singing the prechorus in the highlight medley of an ode and not seungkwan and woozi

  • @abspinni9637
    @abspinni9637 Před 3 lety +995

    Everyone else : synchronised
    Seventeen : SyNChroNiSeD

  • @user-im7wu2kd7o
    @user-im7wu2kd7o Před 3 lety +487

    The reason why Seventeen rose to popularity in their 2015 debut was their uniqueness. Out of the boy groups who debuted with dark songs, Seventeen stood out by performing “Adore U”, their debut song, a lively energetic music which caught the attention of kfans.
    They were also noticed because they were the only boy group in 2015 who self produces their music and choreographs their songs which was a BIG RISK at that time.
    Seventeen were already synchronized during their pre-debut days because they trained themselves to be that kind of group to prove that big numbers isn’t a disadvantage, which was really frowned upon during that time ❤️
    PS. Mansae is their first comeback song!

    • @svtbtsmoo1317
      @svtbtsmoo1317 Před 3 lety +4

      Yes! This comment!

    • @Justine-uq4ls
      @Justine-uq4ls Před 3 lety +2

      Up!

    • @sitiaziatulaina7049
      @sitiaziatulaina7049 Před 3 lety +2

      Up!!

    • @ayuca8257
      @ayuca8257 Před 3 lety +17

      I think It's still considered a big risk now, Just how many idol group produce (lyrics + music + arangement) their own title track with their own dance choreography since debut up until now? Really rare.

    • @aishamay739
      @aishamay739 Před 3 lety

      Ayu Ca true

  • @atinyshiberrr167
    @atinyshiberrr167 Před 3 lety +343

    Girl: *slaps Vernon*
    Jeff: HOW DARE SHEEEE
    Same Jeff, same

  • @wolfie1786
    @wolfie1786 Před 3 lety +523

    they were synchronized right from the very start
    (debut song: adore u)

  • @coupskyeom
    @coupskyeom Před 3 lety +206

    Fun fact.
    Rookie SVT added changes in the choreo for Mansae for every music show they went to during the promotion period to catch the attention of audience and give them something to "look forward to".
    Their debut songs are Shining Diamond and Adore U, though only Adore U was used for promotion.
    Mansae was their first comeback.
    SHORT STORY TIME!!
    Seventeen's synchronisation didn't start from debut. It started *WAY BEFORE THEY EVEN DEBUTED.*
    Try watching some of their predebut videos.
    Woozi and Hoshi were scary as rookies/trainees, they both lead most of choreos and dance practices during theit predebut. Hoshi once told another trainee, "because of someone like you, our team will fail"
    They are both known to be very strict with precision and synchronisation from the moment they started training and some trainees were even scared of them.
    Seventeen's predebut/training was broadcasted live from 2012-2015
    *SEVENTEEN MONSTER ROOKIES* 💖💎

    • @chazztityxiii
      @chazztityxiii Před 3 lety +3

      i remember the time when woozi and hoshi teaching of the dance choreo for Beauty & the beat... Woozi is so scary.. Even me who was just watching got scared !!!

    • @cresdc8481
      @cresdc8481 Před 3 lety +1

      Omg who did Hoshi said that to??

  • @jxnearmyjkc2040
    @jxnearmyjkc2040 Před 3 lety +181

    I think they were synchronized since debut but they improved more and more through the years and became sYnChRoNiZeD

    • @seventeenscarat9901
      @seventeenscarat9901 Před 3 lety +4

      Their pre-debut videos are also synchronized. They are that amazing! 💖✨

  • @seokminjin
    @seokminjin Před 3 lety +284

    Yaaaaaaaaas
    Mansea is not their debut song, they debuted with adore u
    And the high notes was Dk's in the end

  • @arianaisventi
    @arianaisventi Před 3 lety +115

    You know how kpop groups have that one choreo where the main vocal is standing and hitting the high notes on the side while everyone is dancing. That's DK's high notes on the last part. You can see him standing there hitting the high notes on the side while everyone is dancing. 🤣🤣

    • @chazztityxiii
      @chazztityxiii Před 3 lety +4

      THIS...
      just for a tip , the one who's singing is always at the center or either at the side just like DK in the last part taking his own spot and hitting his high notes..and there are times that dk and seungkwan hitting high notes together usually both of them are in the center just like when they hit the high notes facing each other at the center... Well this is my observation in every svt performance & choreo's

  • @bingbing2821
    @bingbing2821 Před 3 lety +88

    ADORE U is their debut song, then this is their comeback song after that :))

  • @laduchess
    @laduchess Před 3 lety +34

    theatrical kids of kpop was spot on. it’s almost at muscical level

  • @flomaxify
    @flomaxify Před 3 lety +87

    the way i GASPED when you finally uploaded this reaction!! lol i'm the annoying carat that comments under every seventeen video for you to check out Mansae, my dreams are finally complete!!!

  • @xsxgax729
    @xsxgax729 Před 3 lety +15

    seventeen is from pledis entertainment, this company is known for being very hard on trainees and a lot of trainees actually cannot endure the trainings and left gradually. plus, if you look back at the predebut clips (seventeen tv), woozi and hoshi did not allow any kind of jokes or playing around when they were leading practices, they also pointed out any kind of mistakes and told that member to do it again and again until they get it correct. this is also the reason why they are so good in every aspect even when they just debuted. years of hardwork, talent and passion 👏👍

  • @RuikaLism
    @RuikaLism Před 3 lety +33

    They're SYNCHRONIZE since before debut, You remember shining diamond? Even in the predebut show they danced always in Sync, yeah captical S.

  • @Labbito_o
    @Labbito_o Před 3 lety +31

    I think they've been synchronized since always! It's just that, the essence of their choreos has evolved through out the years and gradually the movements they started using made their synchronization to pop off. Also, many people know them for their more mature concepts, but originally they started with quite bright discography. It's amazing how beautifully they've shaped their sound so far, along with their experience.

  • @reaKtpop
    @reaKtpop Před 3 lety +94

    I would've guessed you'd have seen this one already but I'm so glad I get to watch the reaction instead! 😆

  • @ajurice2682
    @ajurice2682 Před 3 lety +40

    In the earlier eras of Seventeen, Jeonghan has his iconic long hair. He looked BEAUTIFUL. Well, until now but yeah

  • @chimchimzzi4783
    @chimchimzzi4783 Před 3 lety +33

    Even during their trainee days they were synchronized.

  • @keitilamperouge6868
    @keitilamperouge6868 Před 3 lety +8

    Mansae is the title track for their second album, Boys Be. Released 4 months after their debut.(age range:17-20)
    - Took #1 at US World Billboard Chart
    - Highest Selling Rookie Album of 2015
    - Making Seventeen the only kpop group on Billboard's "21 under 21 2015: Music's Hottest Young Stars" list
    Yeah power rookie indeed.

  • @khrtnanisa
    @khrtnanisa Před 3 lety +26

    Mansae is their first cb song, their debut song is adore u

  • @o0Legatus0o
    @o0Legatus0o Před 3 lety +15

    Seventeen has always been Synchronized and Yes Mr DK was doing those high notes

  • @zzainii
    @zzainii Před 3 lety +27

    I absolutely love this song and it’s choreography. I always wonder how it would look 2x though😆 like “MANSAE MANSAE MANSAE MANSAE MANSAE MANSAE” per second?🤣

  • @skymelline4897
    @skymelline4897 Před 3 lety +7

    They've been synchronised from pre-debut. Since they're from company their synchronicity was something that made them quite popular from pre-debut to now, and of course they've only just improved as the years went by

  • @umiumi6485
    @umiumi6485 Před 3 lety +6

    Their debut song was actually Adore U released in May 2015, while Mansae was released the same year in September. Seventeen have been known for their synchronization from even before debut when they did their show “Seventeen Project.” Btw, the high notes at the end is DK. Thank you for supporting Seventeen ☺️

  • @aprillepalicpic7862
    @aprillepalicpic7862 Před 3 lety +3

    Even when pre-debut, they're insanely synchronized. Especially Shining diamond promotion period, you can see what we're talking about 🥺 thankyou for adoring and admiring our Seventeen 💗

  • @What-hd8zc
    @What-hd8zc Před 3 lety +5

    There is a 2020 version of this as well, they performed it at Mnet

  • @sareku8491
    @sareku8491 Před 3 lety +19

    Mansae is not their debut, is their first comeback, they debuted with adore u (and they have shining diamond their pre-debut song)

  • @keitilamperouge6868
    @keitilamperouge6868 Před 3 lety +3

    Many are using Seventeen's music as their audition material, as it shows energy youth and complexity of movements.
    SVT is aware of this and sometimes they even know that someones said these choreos looks easy but not at all in actual execution. That's why they made HengGarae, to cheer for youth and their dreams.
    What's great about Seventeen music is... it's them, it's about them, it's about their journey, it's their colors, it's their brand.

  • @pinkiepiereincarnate2291
    @pinkiepiereincarnate2291 Před 3 lety +11

    You randomly reacting to one of my favorite Seventeen mvs am I dreaming 😆

  • @nicesweet121
    @nicesweet121 Před 3 lety +7

    their debut was adore u ugh its so good. manse was there cb after their debut. and yes jeonghan was known for his long hair debut days. omg you didn't know wow lmao

  • @Izzy-eo5rh
    @Izzy-eo5rh Před 3 lety +5

    about the ages (in 2015):
    S.Coups, Jeonghan, Joshua (95liners): 20 yo - 21 yo korea age
    Jun, Hoshi, Wonwoo, Woozi (96liners): 19 yo - 20 yo korea age
    Mingyu, DK and The8 (97liners): 18 yo - 19 yo korean age
    Vernon and Seungkwan (98liners): 17 yo - 18 yo Korean age
    Dino (99liner): 16 yo - 17 yo korean age
    (I calculated the ages just by year)

  • @EyesOfTruth-ix2ki
    @EyesOfTruth-ix2ki Před 3 lety +3

    Seventeen's Debut song is Adore U. You can tell by the quality of the MV (Their company was bankrupt when they debuted). Mansae was their 2nd comeback song and Pretty U was their 3rd (Pretty U was their first ever Music Show win too). Also all of the adlibs were all DK, especially the ones where you though it was Seungkwan.

  • @jenniferbl8011
    @jenniferbl8011 Před 3 lety +2

    I still play this on rotation daily! It is timeless for sure!

  • @victoriab98
    @victoriab98 Před 3 lety +10

    jeonghan's long hair was iconic, i miss it haha

  • @bea-zq5ob
    @bea-zq5ob Před 3 lety +1

    they were already soo synchronized before their debut you should watch shining diamond pre debut version!! they also performed mansae again last year and addition to that mansae also means "put your hands up" thats why they raised their arms

  • @inixvictor9445
    @inixvictor9445 Před 3 lety +2

    Their debut song is called ‘adore u’ and you should also check it out!! To answer your question, they were always synchronised ever since😭 hoshi and woozi was very strict in dancing when they were training, i think that’s why they’re this synchronised

  • @Damonistique
    @Damonistique Před 3 lety

    So pleasant to hear more experienced dancer appreciate the difficulty of their choreo.
    And the beauty ❤

  • @mq6845
    @mq6845 Před 3 lety

    Their songs are really TIMELESS
    like wine.

  • @konstanzavalenzuelasanhuez4763

    even before debut they did showcases and trained like super hard (at the time they streamed some of their practice and I was sort of a casual fan so I remember some clips that are no longer available, but more and more clips are being uploaded to CZcams hehe). so I think they were able to debut with the *final* product.

  • @toaster19_32
    @toaster19_32 Před 3 lety +3

    *me:* i'm actually not a carat, i just support them casually
    *but also me* : they were born great, they raise their own bar everytime and refuse to deliver anything below excellence, they are so compact balanced well-rounded sturdy multidimensional i'd dare say the whole entirety of seventeen are beyond the concept of time, they dont live in a dimension we all share they invite us into their self-constructed world where time obeys them and they make of it as they see fit and we can only balk at witnessing the phenomenae of divinity 😛 confirmed Art tm

  • @jennango1783
    @jennango1783 Před 3 lety +9

    SEVENTEEN YESSSS mansae is amazing (they look so young)

  • @eichpagnin
    @eichpagnin Před 3 lety +6

    2015 was the best kpop year for music releases

  • @ugonna8802
    @ugonna8802 Před 3 lety +9

    When he paused and talked about volleyball, woozi then looked straight outta Haikyuu

  • @sooncheolog8321
    @sooncheolog8321 Před 3 lety

    this was their second comeback their debut song was adore you and they were king of synchronization even back in 2015 when they debuted! they have such great energy and chemistry as a team, the flawless discography and their personalities and beauty is just a plus, they a whole package of talent

  • @kiwii_8724
    @kiwii_8724 Před 3 lety +1

    Since pre-debut (Shinning Diamond) they were synchronized and then Adore U came like woah this group is in sync as hell

  • @diamondcarat_TWS
    @diamondcarat_TWS Před 3 lety

    Basta si Kuya jeff talaga Yung nag react the best talaga!! We miss Seventeen content so much.

  • @erintheartist
    @erintheartist Před 3 lety

    You NEED to see their most recent live stage of this!!! The contrast will make you cry.

  • @aizahbation1706
    @aizahbation1706 Před 3 lety +1

    I always miss your SVT reactions. And finallyyyy, I was so excited to get off from work when I saw your Mansae reaction coz it's been a while since you reacted to our boys. Anyhow, thank you so much for your great analysis and on-point commentaries on SVT's dance. You made my day, Jeff. Thank you so much, til next time. 💗

  • @panangi105
    @panangi105 Před 3 lety +1

    When they are students, their dance steps are very neat. There is a training schedule for Pledis trainees on the Internet, and the training items on the schedule are very strict. After reading, you will know why they dance so neatly.

  • @femalenuwanda8033
    @femalenuwanda8033 Před 3 lety +3

    they debuted with adore u (which is also VERY AMAZING), mansae was their fisrt comeback ;)

  • @zabe3187
    @zabe3187 Před 3 lety

    When I learned that they plan their choreography for how it looks like on top too so people up in the high seats have something cool to look at wow I was amazed and I really wish I could see their concert.

  • @raywooabreezee1248
    @raywooabreezee1248 Před 3 lety +1

    Mansae is not their debut song however it was their first ever comeback after their debut + svt were known from pre-debut for their great teamwork and synchronisation!! Thank you for your reaction again an amazing one!

  • @adotf7027
    @adotf7027 Před 3 lety +2

    Seventeen is very✨ synchronize✨ btw the one doing high note is DK

  • @g.m.pratiwi5609
    @g.m.pratiwi5609 Před 3 lety

    Seventeen is the most synchronized group even before their debut! Im so lucky to stand them since Project 17!
    You should watched them from the debut video, Jeff! See how they grow and glow up and more and more synchronized movement they gave!

  • @s.tres.s5031
    @s.tres.s5031 Před 3 lety +1

    they recently performed mansae again when they promoted left & right 🥺
    seeing them perform it again when they're all older just hit DIFFERENT ✨

  • @jeonghan9909
    @jeonghan9909 Před 3 lety

    Seventeen has been sychronized since their debut and still synchronized until now and in the future performances.
    KINGS OF SYNCHRONIZATION
    STAN SEVENTEEN
    STAN TALENT

  • @L.l.I.ia_N
    @L.l.I.ia_N Před 3 lety +1

    It's easily still my favourite song from them

  • @strawreos
    @strawreos Před 3 lety +2

    in the live stages of mansae, minghao actually backflips during his part!! im guessing the room wasnt spacious enough and thats why they didnt include it in the practice

  • @forseventeen1711
    @forseventeen1711 Před 3 lety +1

    Some SVT contents (songs n dance practices) that you're haven't checked out yet:
    - Oh my!
    - Crazy in love (no MV just DP, live stages are free to react)
    - Boom Boom
    - Adore U (debut song)
    - Just do it ( special unit BSS/BooSeokSoon aka gag trio aka meme team: BOO SeungKwan, Lee SEOK Min/DK, Kwon SOON Young)
    - Happy Ending ( another jpn release )

  • @rori6355
    @rori6355 Před 3 lety +1

    Adore you is their debut song I definitely recommend it

  • @thrynx
    @thrynx Před 3 lety +1

    SEVENTEEN were called Kings of Synchronization for a reason! I’m amazed every single time.

  • @sheenjexsliecolada8584
    @sheenjexsliecolada8584 Před 3 lety +4

    Jeff: How dare she?
    That's how every carats feel while watching the Mansae MV HAHAHA

  • @shiningdiamond2383
    @shiningdiamond2383 Před 3 lety

    Mansae was the first seventeen Song I heard
    and that was i think during produce 101
    and after watching mv
    I fell in love with This song,
    specially their dance.

  • @ma.ericafaye
    @ma.ericafaye Před 3 lety

    YAS THEIR SYNCHRONIZE SINCE DEBUT🥰💕😍

  • @mq6845
    @mq6845 Před 3 lety

    In their pre-debut days, THEY WERE REALLY SYNCHRONIZED, AND THEY ARE REALLY KNOWN FOR THEIR SKILLS

  • @lianeg9093
    @lianeg9093 Před 3 lety +1

    They’ve always been SUPER synchronised even since before debut! The song ‘shining diamond’ was from before debut and I’m sure there’s a video out there of them performing it live but there’s also ‘adore U’ which is their debut song and it has a mv + choreography video I TOTALLY recommend:)))

  • @monalisamota4043
    @monalisamota4043 Před 3 lety

    *Adore U*
    *Shining Diamond*
    *Mansae*
    I was there. Seventeen since the beginning, never disappoint ✨✨

  • @fiosvt6841
    @fiosvt6841 Před 3 lety

    When Mansae came out, the oldest member in Seventeen was only 20 years old, the youngest was 16, so they really had that teen energy during these years since they were all so young when they debuted. You should check out their debut song Adore u ^^

  • @ohoratkkaebsong
    @ohoratkkaebsong Před 2 lety

    The chorus is so fun and energetic, perfect for the song

  • @Alex-gj1jn
    @Alex-gj1jn Před 3 lety +1

    SYNCHRONIZED KINGS SINCE DEBUT! This is actually their second song after debut! Check out Adore U that's their debut song and its bomb

  • @vanysrc
    @vanysrc Před 3 lety +4

    Jeff!! I really miss your reaction with seventeen. Glad to see this again😍

  • @kimlistones6030
    @kimlistones6030 Před 3 lety +1

    They were synchronized even before😊

  • @superstar-lr3un
    @superstar-lr3un Před 3 lety

    we really have the exact same opinions about seventeen! they has always been this perfect for syncrognized (i literally said that yesterday rewatching their first debut stage adore u), I also like to identify them as the musical kids of kpop thats why i love them so much, and they has always put soo much research in their choreos. I think its the first time I'm hearing someone saying exactly what i've been thinking about seventeen for a long time!

  • @evergreen2251
    @evergreen2251 Před 3 lety +1

    as a five-year-old carat, i can tell you that svt debuted ready, talented, and hard working being synchronized and releasing top tier music !! people just didn't know them back then, and didn't bother to, bc they were too many, or that they didn't come from a known company. sucks to be them though, bc they missed out on sht.

  • @SVT_anyaaa
    @SVT_anyaaa Před 3 lety +1

    Waaaa my moodbooster in this morning is see your react to seventeen🥰

  • @atiny494
    @atiny494 Před 3 lety

    In my opinion the synchronization was always there true legends 😃😃😃😃

  • @dunk1n_donut
    @dunk1n_donut Před 3 lety

    they are synchronized from the womb. in their trainee videos they are so synchronized already

  • @pingkeyshoes8293
    @pingkeyshoes8293 Před 3 lety

    They been very like veryyyy SYNCHRONISED since pre debut, you can see when they performed their evaluation task such as Happiness, Abandoned and more..

  • @teaxcup
    @teaxcup Před 3 lety +2

    this was actually their first comeback, adore u was their debut and they're around 16-20 here in international age so yes, still young and babies T-T

  • @jarwantijjj1336
    @jarwantijjj1336 Před 3 lety +1

    This is not their Debut Song,
    Their debut song's tittle is Adore U, and I think they were already really synchronised back then on their debut song...

  • @angelicaleodones3206
    @angelicaleodones3206 Před 3 lety

    I really love the way you react and analyze the choreo. You and Elliot is my favorite.

  • @naxx__sg
    @naxx__sg Před 3 lety

    Mansae was their first comeback after debut! Their debut was Adore U! both of them from 2015

  • @sana-bd6bp
    @sana-bd6bp Před 3 lety +1

    13:27 to 14:15
    Jeff: explains something imp
    Me: DONT LEAVE THEM HANGING IN THE AIR!!

  • @celicrodriguez4232
    @celicrodriguez4232 Před 3 lety

    I'm SO happy that finally you reacted to this ✨✨✨✨✨✨💎💎💎💎

  • @JDGaming5
    @JDGaming5 Před 3 lety +1

    their debut song is Adore U, u should check it out! and yes they were born to be synchronized hahaha

  • @novisdadwi9761
    @novisdadwi9761 Před 3 lety

    Thank youuu so muchh for reacting this mv!!!! I've been waiting for this reaction for so long

  • @piguingma.elainejoyesquill9004

    Seventeen is synchronized even before their debut ♥️
    By the way, I love your reaction video♥️

  • @jeonghan9909
    @jeonghan9909 Před 3 lety

    I agree that even SEVENTEEN release this song this year it will still be a BOP! MANSAEE!!!!

  • @nuansong4836
    @nuansong4836 Před 3 lety

    Check out their debut song: Adore U. They also did different endings in the dance for different shows :)

  • @aperson8857
    @aperson8857 Před 3 lety

    when jeff said you need much more energy to dance if you're after your mid-twenties, why did i lowkey wanted him to react to running man's fan meeting performance?

  • @yirang3195
    @yirang3195 Před 3 lety +1

    They were born this way

  • @nocare0014
    @nocare0014 Před 3 lety +1

    They were always synchronised , bro.😁

  • @intanniarhma
    @intanniarhma Před 3 lety +1

    This was their first comeback song! Their debut song is adore u/akkinda 아낀다
    Please check it out♡

  • @user-po7rb7cf6q
    @user-po7rb7cf6q Před 3 lety

    you should definitely watch their debut song adore u dance practice. their debut keeps on getting moved so they really spent a long time training, that's why they perform so well.

  • @carat_sebong0385
    @carat_sebong0385 Před 3 lety

    You must watch some pre-debut dance practices by them. They're synchronized since day 1 and they just improved to THE next level of synchronization

  • @aakanshasingh7155
    @aakanshasingh7155 Před 3 lety +2

    "Adore u" is Their Debut song And "Manse" is their First Comeback.

  • @nathalie3601
    @nathalie3601 Před 3 lety

    yes. they were super synchronised since debut haha

  • @lilacdroplets
    @lilacdroplets Před 3 lety +1

    Whenever Jeff pauses or rewina in slowmo, it showcases how sYnChRoNiSeD they are.

  • @SliverOfSilverStars
    @SliverOfSilverStars Před 3 lety

    This was their 1st comeback in like Sept of 2015, I think. Their debut song is "Adore U" which was in May of 2015, so like 4 months prior to Mansae. I think they have been fairly synchronized since their their debut. Idk how, but some of them trained together for like 4 years before debut (their debut kept getting pushed back) but then Joshua, Jeonghan, and Minghao were last to join and I think only had 1 or 2 years of training with the entire group before debut.