Good Decision Or Bad Decision? Why ANA Took 3 Airbus A380s
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- čas přidán 13. 12. 2023
- On March 20th 2019, Japanese flag carrier All Nippon Airways (ANA) placed one of the most intriguing widebody orders of the past ten years. The airline committed to just three Airbus A380s. An aircraft with notoriously bad operating economics nearing the end of production, the order raised many eyebrows within the industry for its peculiar nature. With these factors in mind, why would ANA move ahead with ordering just 3 of these superjumbo aircraft? Well, let’s explore this topic for today’s video!
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I think ANA made the right choice to order just 3 A380 including taking over Skymark A380 order for just one single popular route between Hawaii and Japan. Not bad
I flew on both JA381A and JA382A in business class in January of 2020, literally just before the pandemic shutdown everything. Long story short, the flights were super comfortable with great and attentive Japanese style services. Hawaiian music and sunny lighting were on in the Honolulu bound flight. Making passengers feel like they are already on vacation the moment they stepped in the cabin. For the Tokyo bound flight, business class passengers can board the plane directly from the ANA lounge.
as someone who works at HNL, I love seeing these bad boys take to the skies every day. It's such a massive and astonishing aircraft.
Sounds like this was a well-planned, targeted introduction, as part of a strategy to defend their offering on that specific route. I'm sure that their passengers will enjoy the A380, just as many in the UK do. I wonder, though, how ANA are servicing these aircraft? - my understanding is that having their own dedicated A380 servicing facilities which, with so many A380s in service, is efficiently used is a big part of Emirates' A380 success.
They probably have it maintainanced by a third party like Lufthansa Teknik.
Actually Lufthansa Tecknik does maintain their aircraft. As Does most A380 operators. I seen a few A380s in my country's Maintenance Hub which is Operated by Lufthansa Technik.
ANA actually maintains their A380s in Xiamen, China by HAECO, a sister company to Cathay Pacific.
From what I could gather, it would appear that ANA maintains their A380s exclusively at Xiamen with HAECO.
@@reith100 Lufthansa Technik has hangars in the Philippines where a number of Superjumbos go for routine maintenance. So, it’s not far away from NRT, where you’d find these Flying Honus.
@@AirbusA--si4kw Sounds like this was where China Southern may have previously had their A380s serviced before retiring them in 2022.
It's a pity that the A380s are no longer being produced. It is certainly the most comfortable wide body for passengers.
ANA was one of my favourite airlines growing up and their A380 is so unique and wonderfully decorated inside and out, hence "Flying Honu" is right up there on my avgeek bucket list. Just to note, ANA ordered the jets in 2015 after Skymark entered bankruptcy protection the year prior. It wasn't by choice, but out of necessity due to competition to acquire a large part of Skymark, from Delta of all airlines.
Love the flying honu! It’s interesting that it gains profit with just 3 planes.
Just FYI, Skymark is not exactly a low cost carrier; I think they call themselves “middle” class carrier.
Not a “full” service carrier, but Skymark does have a seat same size as a full service carrier, rather than like a LCC with less legroom.
"For ANA, adding the A380 to its fleet would run counter to its shift toward fuel-efficient midsize jetliners. The company also could wind up with a capacity mismatch that results in higher fares. But "it was so reluctant to let another airline get Skymark's landing slots at Haneda Airport that it was willing to take those risks," a person familiar with ANA's strategy said." (source: Nikkei Asia)
ANA accepted Skymark's A380 orders as part of a deal with Airbus to get Skymark's HND slots and to keep Delta out of the Japanese market. It wasn't an isolated purchase as this video portrays.
Delta is in the Japanese market, and the A380 flies out of Narita. No idea where you pulled those threads…
@@christopherwarsh Delta was in NRT and was reported to have only one poorly-timed flight into HND. Where the A380 flies from is irrelevant, as they hadn't even been delivered yet! Skymark was the third largest carrier out of HND at the time and therefore offered an expansion opportunity to someone who could use those slots.
In japan, there are so many people including kids, adults, aunties and uncles go for plane spotting in a park called Sakura no yama, which is next to the Narita airport. They always aiming for the flying Honus and which shows how iconic this aircraft is. Im happy to see this phenomenon in japan!!
I’m flying to Honolulu via Tokyo …. Just wished I booked the flying honu via Narita but unfortunately I picked Haneda …. Had I known when I booked the flight … I’d love to experience being on the flying Honu …. Clever word play Flying Honu heading for Honolulu
gg man, great video as always!
I appreciate the content of the video, but there seems to be a slight error. Correct me if I’m wrong, but Japan Airlines is the flag carrier of Japan, while ANA is another prominent airline. Just wanted to ensure accurate information. Thank you!
Don't know if the strategy is a good one. But I did smile on a November flight to HNL and saw a couple of Honu parked at their gates.
HNL transpacific departures are usually timed for connections and late evening departures
If you’re in a country where airlines are using 747 domestically, im sure you can make a business case for scheduling an A380 on it for every now and then.
Over 10 flights daily going from one of the cities to the other. That is really just insane to imagine. But i guess if you look at enough other routes you will easily crush that.
I WILL LOVE TO FLY ON IT NEXT YEAR
This is a good move using it on one single popular. High capacity demand for that route. It's a similar situation to Korean air and Asiana having the A380's and 747-8 as well for Korean. They got them to use on their high capacity routes like LAX JFK and also for flights to their respective alliance partner's key hubs like CDG and ATL for Korean with their partners Delta and Air France and Frankfurt and BKK for Asiana with their partners in Lufthansa and Thai airways. Korean air should use the A380 for one of it's flights to HNL and move the 747-8 to one of the LAX flights.
KE's A380 config is very business class heavy and would not fit well in a route like ICN-HNL where the pax are mostly leisure travellers. Even for their LAX and JFK route they have a hard time selling their C seats
@@jeju_trophycollector yeah because the business class seats are crap compared to their newer apex suites.
Why would you say it could be a bad decision in the title when ANA made their 380 operation profitable?
It’s actually not clear how profitable it actually is that’s just speculation they don’t break down profitability by route level
Seems like a well considered purchase. In the beginning you talked about Emirates having a big fleet so they can easily do the maintaining for it, but you didnt touch on that at all for ANA. Outside that for just this route its well considered it seems, and why not? Lots of capacity needed.
Brilliant from ANA.
During Japan's holiday season. Tokyo Honolulu becomes most trafficked route. Basically huge air migration.
It is open secret these three a380 was sold to ANA for less than costs.
People might say that would make Emirates and other operators angry, but they were all given the same offer for the remaining unsold a380s in production or ear marked for production
Why would Airbus offer these a380s below cost, because their suppliers were still making the last ordered parts.
Though that's not an uncommon deal-making tactic. I'm sure all the airlines that ordered and took delivery of the A380 in the span of 15 years did not buy them at full price.
Also, Emirates took the remaining two of the unsold Skymark A380s when the latter went into bankruptcy.
@@CoSmicGoesRacing Its very uncommon when there is no future for the airplane... Note the End of Life was already called
Unlike A220 for example selling 40 below cost to United to sell 100 for profit makes sense.
Smart move.
Those plane will attract people to fly with your company pepole love them
No lie about the number of Japanese nationals visiting Hawaii. There were plenty of them in the Waikiki Beach area, and that was in the fall “low-season”. Still, flying that route on one of the honu birds is on my travel list for next year.
It would be great if some of them take the time to visit the Pearl Harbor Memorial.
@@mattroyal363 They actually do. I asked the Park Rangers specifically about that, and it was very typical to have Japanese tourists visit the Pearl Harbor Complex and the USS Arizona Memorial. It was similar when I was in Singapore with the Singapore Civilian War Memorial, Japanese tourists have questions about their country's role in that massacre, and the tour guide said some leave in tears when they were told the truth. Even today, the Japanese gov't is paying a form of war restitution to the people of Chuuk Island in the Pacific to have their war remains from the battle of Truk Lagoon returned to their families in Japan. That period in history is glossed over in the Japanese education system, unsurprisingly.
It seems like ANA could easily take one of A380s and fly it frequently to London or LAX or NYC (not sure if the american airports are equipped to handle A380s though). At least to London I'm sue it would be a great bet.
I thought JAL was Japan's Flag Carrier?
I wish they offered these flights to mainland USA.
🤔There is no place in Hawaii called.... HANALULU. However, HONOLULU is a well known city here on the island of Oahu.🤙🏾
The Japanese are not stupid business people, so if they wanted to make such large purchase, they knew what they were getting into.
good decision. ANA is loyal to Boeing when it comes to Widebodies.
It was a forced decision by Airbus to agree to the sale of of Bankruptcy of Skymark
I don’t know why but all the Japanese airline only look great on Boeing 747 and Airbus A380. Never feel right if they used Boeing 737 or A320
Would love to see them use the a380 on other routes too !
It was a smart and savvy move. Bring as much capacity as you can to a potentially slot constrained destination that is one of your busiest and most popular. Offer a higher level of service, at a cheaper price than your competitors and you'll make money. ANA made an excellent call here.
Thank you for pronouncing “Honolulu” properly and not calling it “HANA LOOLOO”
Considering how hard it is to book NRT-JFK sometimes, I wish ANA would fly these to New York as well. I know, I know, not gonna happen, but one can dream.
A380 are once again flying in & out of BHX.
No, I personally don't think it was a good idea. With so many airlines eager to now retire their a380 they should've tried to buy them second-hand, instead of brand new.
It's not like the brand new units of these gas-guzzlers are more efficient or anything. It's a decade old machine that they decided to buy brand new in 2020, doesn't make sense😒
I thought that. Were they newbuild A380s or bought secondhand? An all economy
configuration on a rather short flight to Hawaii might make sense. Business class?!
What "business" is there in Honolulu? Hawaii is a tourist destination. For enjoyment.
They were new aircraft that sky mark canceled as part of its bankruptcy
Who is/was Skymark anyway? Never heard of them.
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Those ANA pilots type rated on the A380 are masters of that route.
ANA also has A321s...
@@tita6818 i meant that they are masters of the NRT-HNL route since that's all they fly. This has nothing to do with their airbus fleet.
Imagine if these a380s also went to LHR or JFK
They don’t have the sea product for such a route
Haha funny plane
"pandemic"
a380 used as point to point? this is bad they should use hub spoke method.
Sure, a random pfp -less person on CZcams knows better than a multi billion dollar company…
I’m sure some of its connecting traffic from Narita
This makes Americans soooooonangry, coz being
The problem now is that with the sinking yen, many Japanese cannot afford to travel to Hawaii. And with, Hawaiian, Delta, JAL and Zipair chasing the same customers, airfares to HNL have plummeted.
On the other hand im pretty sure the one country who runs most of its donestic routes on 747s can run some a380s.
missed opportunity by ANA: given they use blue, green, and orange, they should have themed the planes after Kyogre, Groundon, and Rayquaza.
AHAHAHAHAHAHA that's a bold idea. I mean, ANA has done Pokemon-themed liveries for their Dreamliners. Definitely fits with the Superjumbo.