Tony Knight I don’t. I think Hamauzu delivers better work when he’s composing for the SaGa series. The only tracks from the 13 trilogy I remember are The Sunleth waterscape and Crazy Chocobo
Definitely among the top of FF music. Blinded by light. The Promise. Saber's Edge. Serah's theme. Mirai/Negai. I'm glad that Masashi Hamauzu is working with Nobuo Uematsu for the FF7 Remake. Can't wait.
@@BeanChilling Yes ikr. I never beat ff7 but who doesnt know about 7 lol I mean u dont even have to play 7 and u will still know about the story. I beat crisis core tho. I pre ordered already
I think Square Enix has a big management problem. That reflects on FF XIII , XIV and XV. Too much time spent on engines, graphics, mouth-twisting names but not enough time on stories. Before X, that was not a big problem.
Dua don't forget voice acting. I'm sure ff7 remake development was severely hamstrung by having limited access to the main voice cast... Especially in the US where actors are severely overpaid. Why else are we getting big main story segments with various forgettable npcs instead of continuing the main story? Moreover, the actual good ff games of the past had their scripts edited up to 2 weeks before wrapping up resulting in such crisp dialogue and narratives. I don't want voice actors hamstringing my ff games. If they get voice actors, I need them to work harder and be up for redoing scenes long into the the night up until release without asking for huge bonuses to their already inflated salaries. That's what the dev team in the old days were doing. Sakaguchi would stay up all night play testing and he left it all on the table and never planned to make a sequel. I need the current team to do that
Square Enix has been milking FF7 for years and years; spin-off, cameos, movie, remake, and now dlc. I want them to try something new, but obviously they won’t since it has failed in the past. I’m excited for FF16 and hopefully it will give the series a proper pickup from 15.
@@dingleberryman1498 That's so sad, it failed in term of "review" Honestly the one who read FF XIII review at that time got influenced by this negative reviews, it's just like placebo except it's negative. I just played the game without reading review first, and I was fall in love with its combat system, the way the story goes (Just like FF X, linear story at first but endgame have variety), and boy THE MUSIC is really charming
@@Irsyad711 I was hamstrung by my own expectations. When i first played the game i hated it. Picking it up quite a few years later when it released on PC i enjoyed it. Sure the voice direction is all over the place and the script is laughable at times, but the combat, overarching story and characters i enjoy :)
wow, the fact that they release it in it's finished state sounds like a miracle considering the situation. on the other hand, xv definitely feels far from completion when they decided to release it
Well for one thing, in the past, games don't have things like updates via internet and thus most games takes longer to finish as to iron all issues. Nowadays games will just get updates even it's not fully complete. FFXIII is a transition from that time to current time kinda games. Honestly, I do like FFXIII. Especially for the storyline.
I guess I am one of the weird ones. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE FFXIII, FFXII-2, and Lightning Returns: FF XIII. I have also played every FF there is to play. And I played the original when it was released.
black chase67 Many* Also you’re, not your. Also, Statistically iirc, It is pretty normal to have played 13 and 13-2 just because by virtue it sold a fairly high amount in series history. Not sure if 13 is good or bad, but personally I have been disappointed with the FF franchise since 13.
Its say most divisive not most hated. People who hate it not really hate it. Just disappointed on some expect of the game. I like it, just disappointed i dont get to fight the giant falcie on gran pulse. I hate ff11 tho.
I want the XIII series to get ported to switch. I picked up XIII to see if it was really as bad as people swore it was, and I wasn’t shocked to find that it wasn’t that bad. It’s definitely not perfect, but Square fixed everything single criticism of XIII in XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. I think the series deserves new life on new systems for sure
@@newdivide9882 yes for sure. its still my favourite ff trilogy. Most of all final fantasy lightning returns, this is exact the point it should be ported. and for me development problems ( i didn't even knew there were some if i had no internet) the end result was perfect, really perfect for me.
@@IrrelevantOaf I had to sad in ff13 lightning returns was the action gameplay nescessary because of the time who is constant running. i am fine with ATB. really. only random fights could( Is anyone who like this) ATB fights are ok but i was happy in ff XII you can leave enemys, unstead of fight a pointless fight( means areas with weak enemys ) Ironic that exact this system in the ffVII remake was changed. The Remake its comlete in real time means you dodge hit, use soecial hel attaks. but i would give him a chance i just heard from a youtube channel in his early years a lot was in our mind. just pixels but to the dialogues we get. this youtuber was one of this people who had ff7 deep inside. means she/he were fans at it's release. most peoples today .... wow a new final fantasy looks better as the last ( ff15) donna its wrote ffVII, alot can not even read romic numbers. then i understand if fans are skeptic then its not new, its like they had took a part of our live and made something really new. Ok i listen to the gameplay explaining and this youtuber was really exclusive in this studio to say what his impressions are. i don't think SE ask him hey could u please say in your german only ( i live in europe/swiss) yt video say it's soo good. no after release in youtube then 2-5 hours after release everyone made a yt blog and i mean persons in her 30this who knew what ff7 s origina is. and i think even the fight system will sry too much letters i write a sec command. but just don forget. if they would serve us a ff7 version who is strange.......SE is so great they had just -points. for us this is wow for SE its like everytime give the best. think Image is more worth than money of a single game lol
@@newdivide9882 yes this is so true. i prefer ff13 b'cause best story of this whole serie,i mean why did it need ff13 lightning returns. not a ff13/2 who ya answer some things but without ff13 lightning returns this games ff13 + ff13/2 were like someone write a story for me with most ff 13 made this cliffhangar and probably put a pic of serah and lightning ( cool) and vanille and i what????? No no no no ey who write this it could not be an and how did vanille and fang feel themself. i like them and okay together but only physic not psichologic ( really had no clue how it must feel to be in a crystall pillar). serah is in 13 and lightning returns in this crystall. ff13/2 is more ore less just a filler. it shows possible like it felt to be inside a crystal it shows a fake lightning. realitys who could had happend but just are empty bubbles this whole time in the crystal! for whst? she was just searching for what ??? could she just even harm herself. and the scene with noel ? why it was just on the beginning she turned. in ff13 and during lightning returns she was a bargaining chip ( sty for that ) but bhunivelze was keeping humans as puoppets for his game. only these with valhalla what was ff13/2 good for. Objectiv nothing was real of it. so many ask who iis lumina , lumina who , scary what is she good baad. that is really easy even when i am not so sure why she appeatently didn't knew who she self was, i mean i felt so sorry for her if she realized that everyone is leaving this place and she can't. was hard to watch. she is or sry looks like a 14 year old kid. a cute little miss insane. but what scary or creepy no not really. the end is happy only dumb bhunivelze don' t get what he want. salvation thanks vanille for ecery... one? one thing i didn't get caius what is with caius and he let yuuk free, he acceot . WHAT🤷♀️ WHAT 🤷♀️ is about caius. MY PERSONAL theory yuul and caius betrayed time so he must this 700 or 500 years time spend in this chaos world but who is also there lumina. but IF SOMEONE knows what is really going on please RESPOND. yah its definitiv a good end so seems everyone goes. just one thing a very dumb sure vanille, serah everyoneFUN FACT you don't u to save anyone's Soul as lightning. you just need to beat bhunivelze and help vanille to protect and to do the right thing. OK I DIDN'T GET IT: what is with Caius Ballad end cutscene how long no just explain it to me FINAL FANTASY LIGHTNING RETURNS END CUTSCENE Who everyone leaves this one world to get reborn in this other
Back in the days when XIII released, I rarely had access to the internet. Also, my taste of games was rather unsophisticated, so I ended up loving the XIII trilogy without any outside-opinions influencing me. I also liked other "mediocre" Square Enix games like FF X-2, The Third Birthday, or Dirge of Cerberus. Not sure what it is exactly that makes me like the style of games that Square Enix is producing. Due to the hardships they went through, I am definitely sympathising with the devs of XIII, Type-0, and XV.
@@Thanatos4655 Yes, I got internet at home in early 2011, and I was 16 back then. Country's Austria.🇦🇹 Got my first phone with internet connection in early 2013.
Actually they learn that they should not make a game engine and 3 games using that engine at the same time. Hence FFVIIR and KH3 moved to Unreal, to let them work on 1 engine, 1 game, at 1 time.
@Vayne Carudas Solidor FFXIV 1.0 uses the same crystal tool, and i was very curious what FFXIV ARR (2.0+) game engine is so...i just found out the game engine was Luminous Engine like XV except in XIV ARR they locked some of the features, so the game has good performance for an MMORPG man it surprises me though, i was playing this game for a long time and i just knew the game engine right now XD correct me if i'm wrong though and what about type-0? all i know is it was a psp game, so probably the same engine as FF VII Crisis Core?
@Vayne Carudas Solidor man reminding me of type-0, really liked the game on psp when it was only the jp version but with eng patch fanmade translation as a psp game it was something too bad they port in the game to ps4 as an HD port, and rework only the main characters and much of the control has not changed (ex. character movements) so of course the game isn't enjoyable as a ps4 game, except if you think it as a psp game but many people doesn't think it like that another waste potential FF game from SE
Not my favorite, but many still enjoyed XIII and it's sequels regardless. The game's graphics and character designs have always looked fantastic. A XIII Trilogy Remaster would be great.
@@artemis1993 it looks amazing, and not only that, the ps3 versions doenst even need an update or install. you could play it even if one day psn no longer exist.
The whole FFXIII trilogy has such amazing music. I have to tip my hat at the composers of FFXIII-2 because the diversity of music in that game makes me melt. Lightning Returns is my favorite out of the 3 gameplay-wise, but the first one will always hold a special place in my heart.
i still go back to xiii-2 and xiii-3. the battle system for me is the best solution to date for a more intense turn based feel without turning into an action game. also love the presentation, especially with the music, which sound weird at first, but is a nice move against the stagnant traditinoal game design.
Completely agree. Many sequels to modern franchises tend to just be the same original game repackaged with different skins and varying upgrades/downgrades, where as the the FFXIII trilogy (and FFX series) put real effort in creating a truly different/unique battle system. That’s just my opinion and not everyone will love those games but that’s okay too.
Agreed as well. I lament that due to the backlash, we may never get another iteration of those types of combat systems in modern rpgs again. At least not from square. There was a lot of potential in them for fun improvements.
While the trilogy had its problems, XIII was a really good experience and unique for its time. It had strong, diverse female characters, beautiful art direction, and a unique world. XV felt like a step back despite the awesome gameplay when compared to XIII, but that’s just my opinion.
@James Gravil I had the same thought about the loli-wannabe aussie Vanille (the aussie accent part was fine) but then I tried to play it again with the Japanese voiced Vanille, she instantly became very lovable. The Japanese Lightning also saw an improvement even though the english one was fine. English Sazh > Jp Sazh. Jp Hope >>> English Hope I guess the voices really affect people's feelings on the characters. It's also why Japan liked the XIII series way more than the english market.
Pretty much most ff games aside from 12 and 15 are linear. The difference is the older games give the illusion of choice and the world map is an empty wasteland.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz people CAN say that theyre great because it's their opinion lol everyone has their own definition of "great". This series is great to me, but not to others, and that's okay.
I have been around since the beginning, and I love XIII. It paid off for me, personally. I found the battle system amazing, and I found the linearity fit perfectly with the story. In fact, I have found something to like about every entry in this series. I love this company.
And this, this right here, is how us fans should be. Square isn't an Activision or Bethesda or something like that. They just try different things and sometimes it's not the best it could be but every entry has something good in it. People can call us "fanboys" all they want. I support square and everything they try because they do just that. Try.
@@richardm5448 Thank you, my friend. I don't consider it fanboyism (and I know you didn't mean it like that). I just consider it being a fan. I'm not just a fan of 7, 8, 9, etc, I'm a fan of the series. Honestly, I don't get the hate and I'm a pretty smart guy. I simply cannot wrap my head around it. You wouldn't drop your favorite football team because they sucked for a few seasons, right? All this talk about 'true fans' not liking anything past 10 is beyond me. Isn't a true fan one who sticks with it through thick and thin? I'm not saying these games don't have their issues since all games do. However, XIII absolutely does not deserve the cold shoulder it gets.
@@wheresatari6242 you're quite welcome buddy. I concur that there isn't any reason for all the hate. I do not understand it either. 8 is especially hated on and it's my favorite one because it was my entry into the series and really the JRPG genre as a whole. 10 is a very close second, but I love almost all the entries I've played and even if I don't like a few I still respect and understand what square was trying to do. (X-2 I just can't handle). 13 as a whole development was riddle with problems and lack of cooperation in the team so that can heavily affect a finished product. But people don't look at that or try to understand any of the finer details like that which are super important. They just hate, alienate their friends and then the game suffers more than it should. It's really trashy and frustrating.
PSA: Try playing XIII with Japanese voice-over and English subtitle. It might fix the problem of "annoying hope/vanille" for you. Also Maaya Sakamoto (as Lightning) is awesome.
I totaly agree! Whilst they did mistakes, they are learning from them. Especially noticable with Final Fantasy 14! Geez that's one hell of a story to a game that I will never get enough of!
I’d say they can’t remaster it however it’s up on steam so they could port it given that the ps4 and Xbox one share an architecture similarity PC which is why you see a lot of cross pollinating of games from console to pc and visa-versa.
The game still has pretty visuals even to this day. Whether people have divisive opinions about Lightning as a character, she has a very appealing and memorable design with an interesting and not overtly designed color scheme so I'm not surprised that lot of cosplayers cosplay as Lightning because she looks good from a visual standpoint. I like some of the music and there are few tracks that stand out, but the soundtrack relies bit too much on the leitmotif of Serah's theme. And there is also a strength of presention. Whether modern Square-Enix games lack in the direction of gameplay, story and characters, I think they excel in the presentation department and the presentation is probably FFXIII's strongest suit. I hear tons of criticism towards Vanille as a character (in some cases deservengly so), but even if she's regarded as the worst character in the game by many, to be honest she probably has the most character development out of all and if you ask me, she has the most cohesive arc since her and Fang are the only relevant characters in the story out of six protagonists. The mythos and world building I can say is impressive on paper, but lacks in execution because, let's face it, Daisuke Watanabe wouldn't stand a morning with the writing staff of HBO shows, let alone would he be competent to write an episode of an anime. Motomu Toriyama's direction didn't help either. The story suffers from a sloppy direction towards writing and characters and relies heavily on datalogs to get a full grasp of the story. It's needlessly convoluted and jarring to follow the story. It practically disregards the basic ''show, don't tell'' rule of storytelling. FFXV's story is far from perfect, but at least that game doesn't pull its plot elements out of its ass majority of the time and had a decency to tell a simple coming of age journey to reclaim the throne story, but I do think FFXV's story was incomplete and story beats were scarce, but it has a pretty cohesive basis. I like the stagger mechanic and get what they were going with the combat making it as fast paced as ever, but my issues stand that the combat lacks the proper player agency and tried to appeal to the larger audience with the streamlined approach. And despite its beautiful landscapes, my playthrough with it was extremely taxing because dungeons overstay their welcome with a copy-paste design. FFX was extremely linear too, but at least I felt like I was actually making a progress in reaching my goal, but with FFXIII I was begging for finally reaching the end of the dungeon because I got bored with it. Overall, I was impressed with it's graphics and presentation, and I like the soundtrack very much, but gameplay, story and characters didn't grip me on an end run. And as for sequels, they felt unnecessary and forced to me and they dragged the narrative out because of original FFXIII's financial success in Japan.
@GIRL TALK I think FXIII-2 was a mild step in the right direction compared to XIII (better realized combat system, dialog choices, pokemon-esque mechanics, it's more open-ended), but I didn't like the cop-out ending that was shoehorned in for the sake of nickel and diming the DLC's or teasing us with the next game of the XIII series. And I wasn't the fan of alternate endings which were basically joke endings.
Thanks for the insight into one of my favorite games in the series. Haters gonna hate- the criticisms never affected my opinion on XIII. And yeah, those trailers were hype.
What 13 needs is an FF7R style game. The expanded lore, is so much deeper than the main games. Especially the novel, Episode Zero. That whole novel needed to be shown on screen because it really developed the protagonists so much better. I also feel like Lightning Returns was the kind of story the trilogy should have been on a whole. One god to overthrow, something at stake from the world being messed up, and so on. I also feel like Lumina should have been around since the beginning story to help express Lightning as a character. She's not just some Cloud rethread at all.
Nick Tapalan See I’m not even sure what that is! I do love ff12 for what it is, though I’d love a hard-mode. The story is one I really appreciate, and the world building.
Incredibly under-rated games. They have such great ATB combat, aesthetic/world building, lore, music and Lightning is an iconic badass. The 13 games have so much charm.
@@RyanOstarineGarcia These games are very under appreciated. Granted the first game is extremely linear and has pacing issues but the sequels fixed that criticism. The general aesthetic is so uniquely beautiful and the ATB combat is some of the best in the series despite haters saying it's too easy and "automated" subscribing to the myth that you can just auto-battle your way through the game, but that claim is wrong. I'd pay good money for a remastered 13 trilogy.
@@blackchase6732 Yeh thats why its a myth, you can't just auto battle your way through the entire game. You can auto battle some of the early hours and some of the later easier trash mobs but eventually it's ineffective and impossible to progress using just auto battle. People have tried to beat the game using only auto battle and they have failed miserably. Myth busted.
FFXIII is one of the most bitter-sweet FFs for me. I still remember seeing that reveal trailer for the first time... man, to this day, it still looks so baddass! I would very much still like to play THAT game. More freeform combat, fully exploitable environments and shops, esp: Cocoon/Eden. I wanna walk though the Farron residence and interact with stuff, dang it! LR is the closest we got to that original debut trailer, and i played the crap outta that game and XIII-2... but still. *sigh*. Anyway, i still luv the XIII series as a whole and plan to play it again in the future!
It's probably worth mentioning that Square's developers themselves said that they had no idea what the gameplay would be like until they were tasked with putting together that first 'combat' trailer, and the development from that point forward focused on recreating that slice. Also their initial proposals for Crystal Tools were nuts. It had the form the base of a single-player PS3 game and a PC MMO (Final Fantasy 14). They initially promised that the engine would handle rendering, art assets, sound production, lighting, physics, the Wii's motion controls, EVERYTHING.
I absolutely love XIII and XIII-2, Lighting Returns wasn't my cup of tea for some reason...great game but for me it was mehhh^^ I'll never understand all the hate the game got up to this day...all this "too linear, crap characters, weird hard to understand story" bullshit. Here are my 3 main advices for all those dumb people: FFX was very...very linear too, so what?? Characters where pretty good and charismatic not the best in slot but good enough, and well...learn 2 read dOOd if you don't understand anything story related! But I guess it's still "cool" or "hipp" to hate on this game. Lemmings
I wish they would give FF13 a second shot on new hardware. Even with the same story, just more fleshed out and with better pacing. A properly developed FF13 remake would change a lot of minds, there's still huge potential here.
Final Fantasy XIII (1) is still one of my favorite games and FF's. I know that there are some mistakes been made. But i love the characters, the graphics, the Story, the Soundtrack (bought it), the Areas and the Battle System. I still hope that a second Version launches with the PS5 bringing es features like the lost areas and Story lines, the posibillity to travel to older areas eventually (with some new sidequests) and (most important) give us some damn Gil after a Fight like in every other FF. Except this one is based on getting your Equipment stronger with hillarious tons of money.
I can see Fabula Nova Crystallis as a spin-off series. Picture Fabula Nova Crystallis: Versus XIII or Fabula Nova Crystallis: Type Next. I'm interested in the possibilities of the new world teased at the end of Lightning Returns.
What I personally think of Final Fantasy XIII in hindsight: The Good: - Paradigm Shift is an enjoyable combat system - Art Direction is one of the best in the series, even better than my favourite FF - Great Soundtrack that was both soothing and intense - Story was enjoyable despite being the first entry in a trilogy The Bad: - Linearity with most chapters inaccessible after completion - Lack of towns and freedom of exploration until near the end of the game - Characters weren't the series strongest protags (Only one I liked was Sazh) - Lack of a prominent villain until the next game - Lightning has little character development and very unlikable personality - The fact the story would continue through spin-offs was underwhelming
i remember when 13 came out this girl i knew was in love with hope lol i was in love with Squall in Kingdom hearts and being an edge lord. oh good ol middle school
As a writer of nearly two decades of experience, I feel I speak with a modicum of authority when I say, "That trailer doesn't represent an artistic vision for a final product; at best it would represent the visual vision of the immediate gameplay." Artistic visions permeate all aspects of the game. A recent example would be Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. As a game that takes place shortly after Episode 3, dealing with survivors of the Jedi Purge, the theme is surviving on your own. Cal and Cere are both learning to deal with Survivor's Guilt, Merrin is also a survivor trying to find a way to live with it all, Taron Malicos is someone who snapped under the strain of surviving (possibly also a result of Survivor's Guilt) and lost himself, the Second Sister lost herself as part of her need to survive, all being reflections of the heroes own struggles and potentially how they themselves could have turned out. So it's no surprise the game demands technical perfection of the player, where a few lapses in concentration and not quickly adapting can mean the difference between life and death. And when you do fail, you get the chance to get all your XP back if you endure all you experienced and face your foes again; really, the Soulsbourne system worked perfectly with this story setting. Because those elements all worked together and complemented each other, that's how that game was made under a singular artistic vision. Seeing how the battle system should look is NOT an artistic vision, in my humble opinion.
Despite the problems, the linearity and others. Something on XIII and its sequel just clicks to me and I love it thus making me keep my PS3 on ok condition to play the game when I get hit by sudden fever to play the game
I think this video is a nice idea! Maybe if you want, do one about known early concepts for X (with "3 dimensional camera" instead of tank controls), and maybe one about Ivalice and Fortress, the success-story of FFXIV ARR, the mobile games of VII, the differences in the releases of VI, the 3D-remakes that games like III, IV and SoM received, the secrets that the Kingdom Hearts Ultimania books contain... oh my, I have so many ideas!
I played this on release day and loved it, i never new about any of these development problems or dislike of the game till years later. It's amazing how much one can like something when their weak little minds are not influenced by elitist internet trolls.
I just started playing XIII again last week, I've always enjoyed XIII and XIII-2. I see the flaws, and it's awfully linear. But to me Final Fantasy games are meant to tell a mystical story with compelling characters. It does that in spades for me. No it's not the best FF out there. But it's one I still enjoy.
I think its worthy. It took some big risks and I'd say its mostly paid off. XIII in particular may not be a Final Fantasy I'm aching to go back to, but I don't regret my time with it. Also thank you for the shout out! I'm really glad you enjoyed my video that much!
UNPOPULAR OPINION: Final Fantasy 13 is my favorite of them all (the first game). I never understood peoples linear complaints because the other games had linear areas as well...and yes i played most ff games 7 - 15 as well as spin offs like crisis core, dierge, and World of FF (15 being the absolute worst). The gameplay i think is wonderful and strategic and the graphics still hold up to todays standards. Also it has one of the best sound tracks of any FF. The story was ok however not amazing but i still appreciate them altering the teams to compliment what is happening in the story and who leaves from the group. This is something people complain about too which i think is just being petty. Also its a great cast of characters (minus hope). I really haven't seen such a large range of well designed characters since 10 or 7. I have no idea why people say this games bad but from the moment i played it i was blown away. The other two sequels just didnt live up in quality. Honestly i was mad they forced out two more games by saying bs happened at the of 13 causing all these problems. While ill admit 13-2 had a better story and main villian...it was less polished than 13. The cutscenes had heavy frame rate issues, animations were more clunky on movement especially outside combat and the graphics actually seemed slightly worse. And lightning returns i didnt like at all. The gameplay change and leveling/time and day and night area unlocks was a bad change imo. 13-2 was enjoyable because of its story and gameplay especially the customizable monster team members. But LR had no party and a weird battle system i wasnt a fan of. So imo ff13 (the original) was the best ff game to come out in the last decade if not all time only rivalling 10,7 or 8.
I actually liked FF13. I always thought Final Fantasy was supposed to be different from each entry which means experimentation. For those looking for a more traditional experience, I highly recommend Lost Odyssey
This was the first game I brought for my PS3, and oh boy, what a HUGE disappointment it was. I was actually loving it until I realized the game was just a set of corridors. From there everything began to fall apart for me, from the characters to the plot and the music. People say the music is good but I can't really understand it. All I can remember is the same fucking music (the one which plays with the cutscene in which Snow and Serah kiss by the fireworks) playing over and over again, with other musics being variations from that same song. By the time I reached the one place with a more open area, the magic of its amazing graphics had run off, and I was so bored with it that I just wanted to finish it and never touch it again, which is exacly what I did.
It’s too bad that this was your impression of FFXIII. Unfortunately, it’s a sentiment that is shared by many people. I can’t blame you though- the game was truly really linear for a large portion of the game- even the ‘open’ area of Pulse felt empty and bland.
It's so important to know what J-Devs go through in production. My dad's million-dollar quote is: Dad: Use what you have. Games are products no matter what. Use what you have. And be grateful for that. ^-^
I love final fantasy 13 trilogy. I'm actually currently replaying it and my wife doesn't mind watching me play. The pacing is great for a back seat gamer.
XIII isn't as bad as they say, but it was still not a great game and definitely didn't live up to the Final Fantasy name. It's an example of how getting stuck on the development side of things can lead to a weak story. The battle system was okay, but it definitely needed refinement. As someone else mentioned, the music for this game is really good though.
I've said this a thousand times! And I'll say it again! I enjoyed the Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy! The first one had it's problems. Though I still had a wonderful time playing it! I loved the characters, the story, the graphics, the OSTs! It's not one of my favorite Final Fantasy games in the series, but I still felt it was an enjoyable experience! It could have been worse, and it could have been better. Final Fantasy XIII-2 highly improved over the first game! Honestly, my only complaint with the sequel was the lack of playable characters! Especially not having Lightning! The main character! Even though for some reason they decided to put her on the front cover of the game lol In the first game, I loved ALL the characters! Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed playing as Sarah for the first time! Noel was an awesome new character to add! And I thought Mog was adorable! I just wish they added the previous characters back to the roster! But to be fair, a few of them do make cameos! Final Fantasy XIII Lightning Returns......IS AMAZING! I really had fun with that game! Why? Well, unlike the previous games, this one was more of an open world experience! And as the title says, Lightning returns! And she plays wonderful! Yes, I can understand people's complaints with this game. But it didn't bother me! Doing side quests and just exploring the worlds was just breath taking! I consider it my favorite in the FFXIII Trilogy! And one of my favorite RPGs! As a whole, I enjoyed the Trilogy! Even till this day, I'm still upset Square still hasn't brought the trilogy to PS4! They did that for the Xbox One owners! But not PS4! Square brought remasters of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, XII & XIV to PS4! But not the Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy!? Who knows, maybe they'll bring the trilogy to PS5! Of course, all of this is just *MY* opinion! I really hope Square will remaster FFXIII and it's sequels! because I would really love to experience them all over again!
Remake 13 and remaster 2 and 3, make 13/1 open world and free, better more flexible combat and game play, variety of locations for combat scenarios. Make it large scale. I would also love an open world spin-off taking place in Valhalla during 13/2 lightning being front and center in story.
Is it surprising that poor communication between departments culminated in poor communication with the audience? I can't say I particularly enjoy playing FF13 compared to other titles and the lack of cohesion on so many levels of development really shows, but I do think it was trying to show people something important that, unfortunately, was overshadowed by all these difficulties. It's not just the infamous linerality of the thing, but the oppressive feeling of vacuity throughout. There are sporadic changes in environment that feel completely dissociated from each other. The characters are solidly designed, but didn't have much support from the plot to really help them take root. Fang in particular interested me because of her return from crystal in order to take on a new a focus. Interactions were dull, aimless, and sound like a perfect representation of the numerous meetings staff at Square must have had to try and figure out what in the high holy hell they were supposed to be doing. They all had this hazy glimpse of a game, but none of them could hardly get a beat on it, let alone agree with the others about what their half-remembered fragment really meant or how it was supposed to fit in with the others. Some confusing choices were made overseas too, like using a Leona Lewis song for no discernible reason other than because she was popular. It still has Squares pithy incorporation of mythological imagery and luxurious art, like the luminescent angel/goddess figure playing a harp with an intricate feathered headdress that I paused the video on at complete random. The underlying theme of FF13 is to take one's life into one's own hands and yet every choice they made only seemed to draw them closer to the inevitable. People like to talk big about taking on fate, but have no idea what that means in practice because they cat like fate is something that happens to them and not something that they are a participant in. You don't have to overcome fate; a sentiment echoed in the various times the characters spoke about how they didn't need their focuses. If you accept that everything you do is fate, then anything that happens is your will; is your focus. If you reject it, then you're at odds with fate and you're setting yourself up for confusion. As I've hinted, this is explored, but not very effectively and by the end the heroes seem to have almost completely contradicted themselves and only manage to save the world by complete accident. The game has an interesting way of discussing the archetypes. Instead of presenting them as god figures, they are more literally represented as the process of nature; vast machines called fal'cie who, interestingly, despite their immense scale and power, and expressed to be mankind's sibling and not it's parent or superior, which is in line with the role of the unconscious. We couldn't live without the processes that keep our hearts beating and our abstract desires seem to make them rebel against us, and yet at the same time they cannot go against their innate biological function.
I mean of course we all knew how much they struggled you can see it in the design. but ff13 still came out great. I mean if it was more fleshed out it could be one of the best ff's but as it is it's still good.
@@RonoroaDSanji FF13 is bad in terms of final fantasy. In fact this was the first time the bar was set so low for final fantasy. The story was vague and only had the cliffsnotes. The engine couldn't handle anymore because it was designed for pretty graphics. And they insisted on making an ff7 2.0 with a new twist.
That explains the FFXIII delays, which I was aware of at the time they were happening. But then FFXV went on to have massive delays and problem as well. This speaks to a huge mismanagement problem at Square Enix. As in their directors and executives don't know how to get their team to be focused on working towards completion. The fact that we are 5 years after the release of FFXV and still no news of FFXVI. FFVIIR was not supposed to be a replacement for a main title, yet here we are.
The problems with the original XIII game affected even versus XIII, it's kinda obvious that the removal of all references to the Fabula Nova Christalis concepts were made to avoid reminding people that Noctis world was connected to Light's with the whole Fal'Cie thingy.
Still baffles me how people back then thought this footage 2:12 was gameplay. I told them "there are cinematics cuts, and quick close ups. the numbers don't match. that's no gameplay" Who's laughing now? ... Not me! I still bought it. :I
I enjoyed 13 much more than 12! Never finished 12! I hated the story, characters and gameplay ! 13 had a far more interesting world and was visually stunning !
I always feel for the mainline workers. It's the higher ups I get frustrated with. SE fucked up with the engine, but it seems the head guys on the project couldn't get a cohesive plan in place on numerous fronts.
Oh, guys, stop asking for a remaster... This game absolutely deserve a remake. But we can't have everything in the end. XV was butchered and they tried fixing it, but stopped half way. PS3 was hard to program. That console alone basically destroyed this entire generation of Final Fantasies. Hopefully this won't repeat again on XVI.
At least with Final Fantasy XIII regardless of its issues felt like it was a finished product. FXV felt like it was released halfway through being finished and then scrambled for released.
Had so much fun with FFXIII yes it did have far shares of trouble & was linear but for those types of graphics on the PS3 was outstanding love it or hate it idc !
The sequels were definitely more enjoyable because they weren't weighed down by the lore the first had. That said, I'm always conflicted when a series changes its settings too much, especially when they involve time travel.
They focused too much on graphics, what make them lack a lot in other areas, like gameplay and history, those are 2 really important factors in a rpg... i mean the gameplay is automatic, terrible decision for a really long game, tge progression system is linear, what it doesnt give any margen to creativity for players, the history is not interesting at all, i played 1 time and i didnt understand what was a fal ciw or a lucie but they keep saying it in every conversation... Ff13 have a beautiful music area but you dont play a game for the music... graphics and music are elements supporting the main game, for me... a good history is the most important in a final fantasy, following the gameplay. Also it doesnt help at all the team, lightning is amazing dont get me wrong.. but the rest of the team is like.. meh... they need non humanoid in the team always, thats what make final fantasy so rich in variety. It definitely a lost oportunity, but i am sure they learnt from that and together with ff versus 13 and its bad ending with ff 15 they will probably redeem themself with ff 7 remake and something is telling me that they gonna come back with ff 16 to "old school" idea where the history could be even one of the best ever been created, they will.
@@blackchase6732 I don't know a lot about FF13 (what I mean is that it didn't catch my attention) but it doesn't seems attractive enough for me... I am sure it is good it is just very confusing in the first game, also I mean the battle system is automatic basically, still you gotta change rols to perform correctly but... you know what I mean.
FFXIII is mix of problems of deelopment but somehow, after all the trouble we received an incredible game. Those who say the game is too linear are blind because all FF are lienear one way or another, they just deceive to think they ar not. When i had the oportunity to see the game in action i was amazed by it's graphics and the time FFXIII came to me was an important time back then. I kinda understood what the developers wanted us to feel about it, the feeling of the shackles, the decision to fight back and the freedom to choose what we want besides fate. One of my favorite experiences. Also, the "melodies of life" song in the end makes me feel nostalgic about the time i've finished IX (and it was back then in 2012 when i did that i got to know XIII)
Final Fantasy XIII has aged well (imo) thirteen years after its release. The battles are fast, fun to watch and are classic turn-based, something FF games seem to have gotten away from. The cutscenes are beautifully animated, and the story was interesting and actually felt complete by the end. Playing the game now, the linearity is a breath of fresh air, especially after playing a (seemingly) endless supply of open world games rife with pointless fetch quests. Among the new era of Final Fantasy games (10-15) and I would say that Final Fantasy XV is the true dumpster fire of the series, not FFXIII.
It's a miracle any of the Fabula Nova Crystallis got released in any shape or form when you think about it. Both FFXIII, FFXIV and Versus XIII suffered a lot because of Crystal Tools and that utter lack of management.. Since they focus on Final Corridor 13, the engine was not made for big open areas like we see in XIV and XV. Crystal Tools almost sank the company when you think about it
Well, I'm still more into the old ATB, give commands to everyone, kind of combat. So I'm holding my breath for the FF7 remake. Graphics look sick though. Voice overs have not been SE's strongpoint either. Those child voices.. Everything since FFX is in my opinion so far from the fundamentals of what made a good FF.. Especially X-2, XIII, XV FF6 to FF9 are my games. But I adore all the ones before too. Will never forget I thought Aerith was sexy as hell in that intro movie back then. Also everything was way more dark and gloomy in the older games. And I miss Nobuo's music. Sunk almost 3k hours in XIV. But in the end it's just another MMORPG in the theme of FF. Not a Final Fantasy. Nope. Tried all of XIII's games but couldn't complete them. Probably going to get lot's of hate for these opinions. But I have big time enjoying SE's games nowadays. To much crinch all over the place.
final fantasy 6 was my number 1 (least till i tried to get back into it recently and found the graphics just dont hold it up... they did back then but after playing it like 6 billion times.... the game is due for a remaster to 3d graphics), and honestly in my opinion, 13 has a story similar to 6 :o and imo 13 is the last good game of squares XD i wonder what tossed you off 13?
Despite all the things I didn't like about FFXIII, to its gameplay (particularly when the party leader dies it's game over) and somewhat confusing plot line, I enjoyed the game all in all. The franchise as a whole. It wasn't perfect, but I think some people criticised the XIII trilogy abit too harshly.
Having played the 360 version of FFXIII, which was divided into 3 DVDs totaling 18.6 GB, I wonder if some of the cut content was because they couldn't fit it into them, similar to how the PS1 games usually cut content on the later discs (such as locations being cut by Iifa Tree's roots on FFIX, or Time Compression on FFVIII). Note that the PS3's Blu Ray could fit up to about 50 GB, in comparison. This is further emphasized by the fact that pre-rendered cutscenes are heavily compressed on it too, and that the point at which the game "opens up" is also when you switch to Disc 3 (namely, Gran Pulse).
Ff XIII for me was awesome! It was my first and only game on PS3 for nearly 2 years back when I got it as a late b day/new years gift in 2011. Just imagine, for a young teenager, who's only FF played prior to FF XIII was IV and CC Echoes of time on DS and had no access to WIFI to follow JRPG news and reviews at the time....Defenitly had to be *and was* mind blown and amazed by gameplay, graphics, characters and best of all unbiased by critics and reviews! It was one of best moments of my life!😂 This game *and trilogy* will always have a special place in my heart forever no matter what people say....😊
Ffxiii was the first ff I ever played and I love it and lightning returns! (Xiii-2 is a love hate relationship for me) I believe it would have been an all time favorite if they had stayed with Fabula Nova Crystallia, but the fact that they even MADE it to this point is a miracle! Hope people give xiii a chance even now ☺️
It's almost like XIII was one of those albums that a really awesome band has that just doesn't really hit home. XIII has a lot of good themes, looks, and sounds amazing...the game definitely suffered, the story wasn't executed well, hardly any backstory for anything, and overall it was lacking some Final Fantasy, it was almost like a Star Ocean game. Overall though, I played it start to finish when it came out and loved it and XIII-2 and 3 bolstered the story into something much bigger and completely different which ended up pretty cool.
FFXIII has amazing music.
I think we ALL think 13 has one of the best soundtracks
Tony Knight I don’t. I think Hamauzu delivers better work when he’s composing for the SaGa series.
The only tracks from the 13 trilogy I remember are The Sunleth waterscape and Crazy Chocobo
@@RaifSeverence I love sunleth waterscape, the promise, sabers edge etc
Definitely among the top of FF music.
Blinded by light. The Promise. Saber's Edge.
Serah's theme. Mirai/Negai.
I'm glad that Masashi Hamauzu is working with Nobuo Uematsu for the FF7 Remake. Can't wait.
@@BeanChilling Yes ikr. I never beat ff7 but who doesnt know about 7 lol I mean u dont even have to play 7 and u will still know about the story. I beat crisis core tho. I pre ordered already
I think Square Enix has a big management problem. That reflects on FF XIII , XIV and XV. Too much time spent on engines, graphics, mouth-twisting names but not enough time on stories. Before X, that was not a big problem.
Dua don't forget voice acting. I'm sure ff7 remake development was severely hamstrung by having limited access to the main voice cast... Especially in the US where actors are severely overpaid. Why else are we getting big main story segments with various forgettable npcs instead of continuing the main story? Moreover, the actual good ff games of the past had their scripts edited up to 2 weeks before wrapping up resulting in such crisp dialogue and narratives. I don't want voice actors hamstringing my ff games. If they get voice actors, I need them to work harder and be up for redoing scenes long into the the night up until release without asking for huge bonuses to their already inflated salaries. That's what the dev team in the old days were doing. Sakaguchi would stay up all night play testing and he left it all on the table and never planned to make a sequel. I need the current team to do that
FF14 ARR save the company so I don't know what you are talking about. In fact FF14 has gotten much better much better as it has gone on.
Square Enix has been milking FF7 for years and years; spin-off, cameos, movie, remake, and now dlc. I want them to try something new, but obviously they won’t since it has failed in the past. I’m excited for FF16 and hopefully it will give the series a proper pickup from 15.
@@dingleberryman1498 That's so sad, it failed in term of "review" Honestly the one who read FF XIII review at that time got influenced by this negative reviews, it's just like placebo except it's negative. I just played the game without reading review first, and I was fall in love with its combat system, the way the story goes (Just like FF X, linear story at first but endgame have variety), and boy THE MUSIC is really charming
@@Irsyad711 I was hamstrung by my own expectations. When i first played the game i hated it. Picking it up quite a few years later when it released on PC i enjoyed it.
Sure the voice direction is all over the place and the script is laughable at times, but the combat, overarching story and characters i enjoy :)
wow, the fact that they release it in it's finished state sounds like a miracle considering the situation. on the other hand, xv definitely feels far from completion when they decided to release it
Unfortunately FFXV still is incomplete.
Well for one thing, in the past, games don't have things like updates via internet and thus most games takes longer to finish as to iron all issues. Nowadays games will just get updates even it's not fully complete. FFXIII is a transition from that time to current time kinda games. Honestly, I do like FFXIII. Especially for the storyline.
XV is still a good game in my opinion.
And yet FF XV felt like a true Final Fantasy
@@hideyoshino-kami864 True Final Fantasy my ass.
Say what you want about the XIII series but I’ll always say they had some of the best music in the series.
I definitely agree had the most ambitious/awsome/touching music of last gen
Absolutely! The soundtrack is amazing.
Sulyya Springs, Will To Fight, The Gapra Whitewood. Those are my fave songs.
It is seriously underrated.
For me FF8 still has the best music in the series. I still to this day, I play Balamb Garden background music to relax.
I guess I am one of the weird ones. I ABSOLUTELY LOVE FFXIII, FFXII-2, and Lightning Returns: FF XIII. I have also played every FF there is to play. And I played the original when it was released.
no your not manny manny people played the trillogy and enjoyed and loved it
Played all three and enjoyed them.
then lets be weird together man :) ff13 trilogy are my favorite games
black chase67 Many*
Also you’re, not your.
Also, Statistically iirc, It is pretty normal to have played 13 and 13-2 just because by virtue it sold a fairly high amount in series history.
Not sure if 13 is good or bad, but personally I have been disappointed with the FF franchise since 13.
Its say most divisive not most hated. People who hate it not really hate it. Just disappointed on some expect of the game. I like it, just disappointed i dont get to fight the giant falcie on gran pulse. I hate ff11 tho.
Despite all the issues, I really loved FFXIII and its sequels. The story was hopeful, the music was beautiful and I enjoyed the ATB system!
I want the XIII series to get ported to switch. I picked up XIII to see if it was really as bad as people swore it was, and I wasn’t shocked to find that it wasn’t that bad. It’s definitely not perfect, but Square fixed everything single criticism of XIII in XIII-2 and Lightning Returns. I think the series deserves new life on new systems for sure
@@newdivide9882 yes for sure. its still my favourite ff trilogy. Most of all final fantasy lightning returns, this is exact the point it should be ported. and for me development problems ( i didn't even knew there were some if i had no internet) the end result was perfect, really perfect for me.
To this day I still prefer the ATB system over the entirety of the ff series combat system. It's REALLY good.
@@IrrelevantOaf I had to sad in ff13 lightning returns was the action gameplay nescessary because of the time who is constant running. i am fine with ATB. really. only random fights could( Is anyone who like this) ATB fights are ok but i was happy in ff XII you can leave enemys, unstead of fight a pointless fight( means areas with weak enemys ) Ironic that exact this system in the ffVII remake was changed. The Remake its comlete in real time means you dodge hit, use soecial hel attaks. but i would give him a chance i just heard from a youtube channel in his early years a lot was in our mind. just pixels but to the dialogues we get. this youtuber was one of this people who had ff7 deep inside. means she/he were fans at it's release. most peoples today .... wow a new final fantasy looks better as the last ( ff15) donna its wrote ffVII, alot can not even read romic numbers. then i understand if fans are skeptic then its not new, its like they had took a part of our live and made something really new. Ok i listen to the gameplay explaining and this youtuber was really exclusive in this studio to say what his impressions are. i don't think SE ask him hey could u please say in your german only ( i live in europe/swiss) yt video say it's soo good. no after release in youtube then 2-5 hours after release everyone made a yt blog and i mean persons in her 30this who knew what ff7 s origina is. and i think even the fight system will sry too much letters i write a sec command. but just don forget. if they would serve us a ff7 version who is strange.......SE is so great they had just -points. for us this is wow for SE its like everytime give the best. think Image is more worth than money of a single game lol
@@newdivide9882 yes this is so true. i prefer ff13 b'cause best story of this whole serie,i mean why did it need ff13 lightning returns. not a ff13/2 who ya answer some things but without ff13 lightning returns this games ff13 + ff13/2 were like someone write a story for me with most ff 13 made this cliffhangar and probably put a pic of serah and lightning ( cool) and vanille and i what????? No no no no ey who write this it could not be an and how did vanille and fang feel themself. i like them and okay together but only physic not psichologic ( really had no clue how it must feel to be in a crystall pillar). serah is in 13 and lightning returns in this crystall. ff13/2 is more ore less just a filler. it shows possible like it felt to be inside a crystal it shows a fake lightning. realitys who could had happend but just are empty bubbles this whole time in the crystal! for whst? she was just searching for what ??? could she just even harm herself. and the scene with noel ? why it was just on the beginning she turned. in ff13 and during lightning returns she was a bargaining chip ( sty for that ) but bhunivelze was keeping humans as puoppets for his game. only these with valhalla what was ff13/2 good for. Objectiv nothing was real of it. so many ask who iis lumina , lumina who , scary what is she good baad. that is really easy even when i am not so sure why she appeatently didn't knew who she self was, i mean i felt so sorry for her if she realized that everyone is leaving this place and she can't. was hard to watch. she is or sry looks like a 14 year old kid. a cute little miss insane. but what scary or creepy no not really. the end is happy only dumb bhunivelze don' t get what he want. salvation thanks vanille for ecery... one? one thing i didn't get caius what is with caius and he let yuuk free, he acceot . WHAT🤷♀️ WHAT 🤷♀️ is about caius. MY PERSONAL theory yuul and caius betrayed time so he must this
700 or 500 years time spend in this chaos world but who is also there lumina. but IF SOMEONE knows what is really going on please RESPOND. yah its definitiv a good end so seems everyone goes. just one thing a very dumb sure vanille, serah everyoneFUN FACT you don't u to save anyone's Soul as lightning. you just need to beat bhunivelze and help vanille to protect and to do the right thing. OK I DIDN'T GET IT: what is with Caius Ballad end cutscene how long no just explain it to me FINAL FANTASY LIGHTNING RETURNS
END CUTSCENE Who everyone leaves this one world to get reborn in this other
Back in the days when XIII released, I rarely had access to the internet. Also, my taste of games was rather unsophisticated, so I ended up loving the XIII trilogy without any outside-opinions influencing me. I also liked other "mediocre" Square Enix games like FF X-2, The Third Birthday, or Dirge of Cerberus. Not sure what it is exactly that makes me like the style of games that Square Enix is producing. Due to the hardships they went through, I am definitely sympathising with the devs of XIII, Type-0, and XV.
i really hate people bashing the 3rd birthday that game its awesome
Aranea :3
Not gonna like saying things like my taste used to be unsophisticated makes you sound like you sniff your own farts
>not having internet in 2010
@@Thanatos4655 Yes, I got internet at home in early 2011, and I was 16 back then. Country's Austria.🇦🇹 Got my first phone with internet connection in early 2013.
Obvious SE learned their lesson and never tried to make a new FF and create a new engine at the same time, right?
Well....
Actually they learn that they should not make a game engine and 3 games using that engine at the same time. Hence FFVIIR and KH3 moved to Unreal, to let them work on 1 engine, 1 game, at 1 time.
@Vayne Carudas Solidor FFXIV 1.0 uses the same crystal tool, and i was very curious what FFXIV ARR (2.0+) game engine is
so...i just found out the game engine was Luminous Engine like XV
except in XIV ARR they locked some of the features, so the game has good performance for an MMORPG
man it surprises me though, i was playing this game for a long time and i just knew the game engine right now XD
correct me if i'm wrong though
and what about type-0? all i know is it was a psp game, so probably the same engine as FF VII Crisis Core?
@Vayne Carudas Solidor man reminding me of type-0, really liked the game on psp when it was only the jp version but with eng patch fanmade translation
as a psp game it was something
too bad they port in the game to ps4 as an HD port, and rework only the main characters and much of the control has not changed (ex. character movements)
so of course the game isn't enjoyable as a ps4 game, except if you think it as a psp game but many people doesn't think it like that
another waste potential FF game from SE
Well...they're using the Unreal 4 engine for the new one...which is apparently a remake of a 23 year old game. First part of it that is.
Not my favorite, but many still enjoyed XIII and it's sequels regardless. The game's graphics and character designs have always looked fantastic. A XIII Trilogy Remaster would be great.
Absolutely agree.
It isn't hard to do either, I think they're just waiting for the right time, after all, they do have their hands full at the moment with the Remake.
I don't think those games will need a remaster anytime soon honestly. It's already 10 years later and XIII still looks amazing graphically.
@@artemis1993 it looks amazing, and not only that, the ps3 versions doenst even need an update or install. you could play it even if one day psn no longer exist.
@@artemis1993
You ain't lying about that.
But I still want one.
The whole FFXIII trilogy has such amazing music. I have to tip my hat at the composers of FFXIII-2 because the diversity of music in that game makes me melt. Lightning Returns is my favorite out of the 3 gameplay-wise, but the first one will always hold a special place in my heart.
i still go back to xiii-2 and xiii-3. the battle system for me is the best solution to date for a more intense turn based feel without turning into an action game. also love the presentation, especially with the music, which sound weird at first, but is a nice move against the stagnant traditinoal game design.
Completely agree. Many sequels to modern franchises tend to just be the same original game repackaged with different skins and varying upgrades/downgrades, where as the the FFXIII trilogy (and FFX series) put real effort in creating a truly different/unique battle system. That’s just my opinion and not everyone will love those games but that’s okay too.
Agreed as well. I lament that due to the backlash, we may never get another iteration of those types of combat systems in modern rpgs again. At least not from square. There was a lot of potential in them for fun improvements.
While the trilogy had its problems, XIII was a really good experience and unique for its time. It had strong, diverse female characters, beautiful art direction, and a unique world.
XV felt like a step back despite the awesome gameplay when compared to XIII, but that’s just my opinion.
*laughs in ff9*
@James Gravil I had the same thought about the loli-wannabe aussie Vanille (the aussie accent part was fine) but then I tried to play it again with the Japanese voiced Vanille, she instantly became very lovable. The Japanese Lightning also saw an improvement even though the english one was fine.
English Sazh > Jp Sazh.
Jp Hope >>> English Hope
I guess the voices really affect people's feelings on the characters. It's also why Japan liked the XIII series way more than the english market.
@James Gravil Ya... FF deserves better.
@James Gravil you honestlly didnt understand the characters what so ever
@James Gravil no they werent and ff13 had one of the best characterisation
Final fantasy 13 graphics were the best of its time I still enjoyed the story line from it too
They are still crazy.
currently replaying this right now, linear as hell but I'm still enjoying it
@Hibryd7 ya mean that final hallway 13? lol yeah it's hilarious as hell 😂
Hibryd7 “The game’s playing itself, Jon”
@Hibryd7
Jontron seems like a smelly neckbeard and I couldn't imagine how awful his fart would smell. However, yeah I enjoy that video of his.
Gosh I really hate 13 for being linear, and hate 15 for not being linear, and love older FFs for being linear...wait a minute
Pretty much most ff games aside from 12 and 15 are linear. The difference is the older games give the illusion of choice and the world map is an empty wasteland.
LOVED the entire FFXIII trilogy idc what anybody say it’s a great game.
Why?
you can like them, you can't say they're great.
you can argue 13-2 and 3 are ok, but 13 the first is straight trash.
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz people CAN say that theyre great because it's their opinion lol everyone has their own definition of "great". This series is great to me, but not to others, and that's okay.
@@ravenlizziekimfan1 so you like it, it's not objectively great
@@AlexanderMartinez-kd7cz they are great all of them
I have been around since the beginning, and I love XIII. It paid off for me, personally. I found the battle system amazing, and I found the linearity fit perfectly with the story. In fact, I have found something to like about every entry in this series. I love this company.
And this, this right here, is how us fans should be. Square isn't an Activision or Bethesda or something like that. They just try different things and sometimes it's not the best it could be but every entry has something good in it. People can call us "fanboys" all they want. I support square and everything they try because they do just that. Try.
I love your enthusiasm about this game! I love final fantasy 13 especially final fantasy 13-2!!
@@harukozgoalz3566 yes, I agree. I enjoyed lightning returns as well. I've only been played it once though, I need to replay through the whole trilogy
@@richardm5448 Thank you, my friend. I don't consider it fanboyism (and I know you didn't mean it like that). I just consider it being a fan. I'm not just a fan of 7, 8, 9, etc, I'm a fan of the series. Honestly, I don't get the hate and I'm a pretty smart guy. I simply cannot wrap my head around it. You wouldn't drop your favorite football team because they sucked for a few seasons, right? All this talk about 'true fans' not liking anything past 10 is beyond me. Isn't a true fan one who sticks with it through thick and thin? I'm not saying these games don't have their issues since all games do. However, XIII absolutely does not deserve the cold shoulder it gets.
@@wheresatari6242 you're quite welcome buddy. I concur that there isn't any reason for all the hate. I do not understand it either. 8 is especially hated on and it's my favorite one because it was my entry into the series and really the JRPG genre as a whole. 10 is a very close second, but I love almost all the entries I've played and even if I don't like a few I still respect and understand what square was trying to do. (X-2 I just can't handle). 13 as a whole development was riddle with problems and lack of cooperation in the team so that can heavily affect a finished product. But people don't look at that or try to understand any of the finer details like that which are super important. They just hate, alienate their friends and then the game suffers more than it should. It's really trashy and frustrating.
PSA: Try playing XIII with Japanese voice-over and English subtitle.
It might fix the problem of "annoying hope/vanille" for you.
Also Maaya Sakamoto (as Lightning) is awesome.
hope wasnt annoying in english but vanille thank god japanese voice over
hope is annoying in all languages
@@1292817341 no hes not
Final Fantasy XIII is still my favorite in the series, it's a very close choice for this series, seeing as every game is good.
Except XV....
I would love a trilogy remaster. Also damn, I can’t get enough of Square Enix’s history. Fascinating.
I totaly agree! Whilst they did mistakes, they are learning from them. Especially noticable with Final Fantasy 14! Geez that's one hell of a story to a game that I will never get enough of!
I’d say they can’t remaster it however it’s up on steam so they could port it given that the ps4 and Xbox one share an architecture similarity PC which is why you see a lot of cross pollinating of games from console to pc and visa-versa.
The game still has pretty visuals even to this day. Whether people have divisive opinions about Lightning as a character, she has a very appealing and memorable design with an interesting and not overtly designed color scheme so I'm not surprised that lot of cosplayers cosplay as Lightning because she looks good from a visual standpoint.
I like some of the music and there are few tracks that stand out, but the soundtrack relies bit too much on the leitmotif of Serah's theme. And there is also a strength of presention. Whether modern Square-Enix games lack in the direction of gameplay, story and characters, I think they excel in the presentation department and the presentation is probably FFXIII's strongest suit.
I hear tons of criticism towards Vanille as a character (in some cases deservengly so), but even if she's regarded as the worst character in the game by many, to be honest she probably has the most character development out of all and if you ask me, she has the most cohesive arc since her and Fang are the only relevant characters in the story out of six protagonists.
The mythos and world building I can say is impressive on paper, but lacks in execution because, let's face it, Daisuke Watanabe wouldn't stand a morning with the writing staff of HBO shows, let alone would he be competent to write an episode of an anime. Motomu Toriyama's direction didn't help either. The story suffers from a sloppy direction towards writing and characters and relies heavily on datalogs to get a full grasp of the story. It's needlessly convoluted and jarring to follow the story. It practically disregards the basic ''show, don't tell'' rule of storytelling. FFXV's story is far from perfect, but at least that game doesn't pull its plot elements out of its ass majority of the time and had a decency to tell a simple coming of age journey to reclaim the throne story, but I do think FFXV's story was incomplete and story beats were scarce, but it has a pretty cohesive basis.
I like the stagger mechanic and get what they were going with the combat making it as fast paced as ever, but my issues stand that the combat lacks the proper player agency and tried to appeal to the larger audience with the streamlined approach. And despite its beautiful landscapes, my playthrough with it was extremely taxing because dungeons overstay their welcome with a copy-paste design. FFX was extremely linear too, but at least I felt like I was actually making a progress in reaching my goal, but with FFXIII I was begging for finally reaching the end of the dungeon because I got bored with it.
Overall, I was impressed with it's graphics and presentation, and I like the soundtrack very much, but gameplay, story and characters didn't grip me on an end run. And as for sequels, they felt unnecessary and forced to me and they dragged the narrative out because of original FFXIII's financial success in Japan.
@GIRL TALK I think FXIII-2 was a mild step in the right direction compared to XIII (better realized combat system, dialog choices, pokemon-esque mechanics, it's more open-ended), but I didn't like the cop-out ending that was shoehorned in for the sake of nickel and diming the DLC's or teasing us with the next game of the XIII series. And I wasn't the fan of alternate endings which were basically joke endings.
None of this video is about Lightning.
Red head lightning is still the best lighting
Thanks for the insight into one of my favorite games in the series. Haters gonna hate- the criticisms never affected my opinion on XIII. And yeah, those trailers were hype.
I love the whole trilogy
if criticism doesn't affect your oppinion you may want to have that checked.
STILL WAITING ON FFXIII TO COME TO PS4.
It had problems but I loved the trilogy from beginning to end hell XIII-2 is my favorite in the trilogy.
@FantomOmega tf
Yes
yeah butturt people just dont want to use their brains and want everything to be spoonfed to them
What 13 needs is an FF7R style game. The expanded lore, is so much deeper than the main games. Especially the novel, Episode Zero. That whole novel needed to be shown on screen because it really developed the protagonists so much better. I also feel like Lightning Returns was the kind of story the trilogy should have been on a whole. One god to overthrow, something at stake from the world being messed up, and so on. I also feel like Lumina should have been around since the beginning story to help express Lightning as a character. She's not just some Cloud rethread at all.
You should do more of these development history videos. Final Fantasy is my favorite game series and I’ve beaten all of them. Do 12, it’s my fav 🥳
Nick Tapalan See I’m not even sure what that is! I do love ff12 for what it is, though I’d love a hard-mode. The story is one I really appreciate, and the world building.
Been playing since FF1 release and while not a top to me I consider 13 to be a great set of FF games.
Incredibly under-rated games. They have such great ATB combat, aesthetic/world building, lore, music and Lightning is an iconic badass. The 13 games have so much charm.
under-rated? lol
@@RyanOstarineGarcia These games are very under appreciated. Granted the first game is extremely linear and has pacing issues but the sequels fixed that criticism. The general aesthetic is so uniquely beautiful and the ATB combat is some of the best in the series despite haters saying it's too easy and "automated" subscribing to the myth that you can just auto-battle your way through the game, but that claim is wrong. I'd pay good money for a remastered 13 trilogy.
@@GXtera it's like top 5, out of 15.
and 10 or those are decades old.
@@GXtera let me tell you something you cant do that
@@blackchase6732 Yeh thats why its a myth, you can't just auto battle your way through the entire game. You can auto battle some of the early hours and some of the later easier trash mobs but eventually it's ineffective and impossible to progress using just auto battle. People have tried to beat the game using only auto battle and they have failed miserably. Myth busted.
FFXIII is one of the most bitter-sweet FFs for me. I still remember seeing that reveal trailer for the first time... man, to this day, it still looks so baddass! I would very much still like to play THAT game. More freeform combat, fully exploitable environments and shops, esp: Cocoon/Eden. I wanna walk though the Farron residence and interact with stuff, dang it! LR is the closest we got to that original debut trailer, and i played the crap outta that game and XIII-2... but still. *sigh*. Anyway, i still luv the XIII series as a whole and plan to play it again in the future!
I'll forever argue that while the game has its issues, it also has one of the best soundtracks and the graphics STILL hold up in my opinion
Nobody argues on the soundtracks, its pretty amazing and won bafta if I recall.
It's probably worth mentioning that Square's developers themselves said that they had no idea what the gameplay would be like until they were tasked with putting together that first 'combat' trailer, and the development from that point forward focused on recreating that slice.
Also their initial proposals for Crystal Tools were nuts. It had the form the base of a single-player PS3 game and a PC MMO (Final Fantasy 14). They initially promised that the engine would handle rendering, art assets, sound production, lighting, physics, the Wii's motion controls, EVERYTHING.
Despite the problematic development, it turned out incredibly well. It's def one of my favorites in the series.
XIII series still the funnest battle system for me. XIII-3 specifically
I believe 13 is one of my favourite
????? You don't need to believe it. If it's your favourite then its your favourite.
I absolutely love XIII and XIII-2, Lighting Returns wasn't my cup of tea for some reason...great game but for me it was mehhh^^
I'll never understand all the hate the game got up to this day...all this "too linear, crap characters, weird hard to understand story" bullshit.
Here are my 3 main advices for all those dumb people: FFX was very...very linear too, so what?? Characters where pretty good and charismatic not the best in slot but good enough, and well...learn 2 read dOOd if you don't understand anything story related! But I guess it's still "cool" or "hipp" to hate on this game. Lemmings
I wish they would give FF13 a second shot on new hardware. Even with the same story, just more fleshed out and with better pacing. A properly developed FF13 remake would change a lot of minds, there's still huge potential here.
Say what you want about 13 we still got Claire farron and she works perfectly fine in all the games she was in 😂
I really want a remake of FINAL FANTASY 13
Why? Lol so many other older better games to remake first
@@savagemantis9060 get off my comment please
@GhostlyOutcast I know, I know but still though I really want a remake or at least a remaster.
@GhostlyOutcast sadly, not satisfied
Final Fantasy XIII (1) is still one of my favorite games and FF's.
I know that there are some mistakes been made. But i love the characters, the graphics, the Story, the Soundtrack (bought it), the Areas and the Battle System.
I still hope that a second Version launches with the PS5 bringing es features like the lost areas and Story lines, the posibillity to travel to older areas eventually (with some new sidequests) and (most important) give us some damn Gil after a Fight like in every other FF. Except this one is based on getting your Equipment stronger with hillarious tons of money.
I can see Fabula Nova Crystallis as a spin-off series. Picture Fabula Nova Crystallis: Versus XIII or Fabula Nova Crystallis: Type Next. I'm interested in the possibilities of the new world teased at the end of Lightning Returns.
What I personally think of Final Fantasy XIII in hindsight:
The Good:
- Paradigm Shift is an enjoyable combat system
- Art Direction is one of the best in the series, even better than my favourite FF
- Great Soundtrack that was both soothing and intense
- Story was enjoyable despite being the first entry in a trilogy
The Bad:
- Linearity with most chapters inaccessible after completion
- Lack of towns and freedom of exploration until near the end of the game
- Characters weren't the series strongest protags (Only one I liked was Sazh)
- Lack of a prominent villain until the next game
- Lightning has little character development and very unlikable personality
- The fact the story would continue through spin-offs was underwhelming
Under "the bad" you forgot to include Vanille. Annoying character and annoying voice.
@@BenjaminGoose Actually, I don't mind any of the heroes except Lightning.
I loved this game, every goddamn minute of it.
i remember when 13 came out this girl i knew was in love with hope lol i was in love with Squall in Kingdom hearts and being an edge lord. oh good ol middle school
As a writer of nearly two decades of experience, I feel I speak with a modicum of authority when I say, "That trailer doesn't represent an artistic vision for a final product; at best it would represent the visual vision of the immediate gameplay."
Artistic visions permeate all aspects of the game. A recent example would be Star Wars Jedi: Fallen Order. As a game that takes place shortly after Episode 3, dealing with survivors of the Jedi Purge, the theme is surviving on your own. Cal and Cere are both learning to deal with Survivor's Guilt, Merrin is also a survivor trying to find a way to live with it all, Taron Malicos is someone who snapped under the strain of surviving (possibly also a result of Survivor's Guilt) and lost himself, the Second Sister lost herself as part of her need to survive, all being reflections of the heroes own struggles and potentially how they themselves could have turned out. So it's no surprise the game demands technical perfection of the player, where a few lapses in concentration and not quickly adapting can mean the difference between life and death. And when you do fail, you get the chance to get all your XP back if you endure all you experienced and face your foes again; really, the Soulsbourne system worked perfectly with this story setting.
Because those elements all worked together and complemented each other, that's how that game was made under a singular artistic vision. Seeing how the battle system should look is NOT an artistic vision, in my humble opinion.
FFXIII
Hills Of Radiant Winds from Nier music. My favourite piece of music from that series, so beautiful.
Despite the problems, the linearity and others. Something on XIII and its sequel just clicks to me and I love it thus making me keep my
PS3 on ok condition to play the game when I get hit by sudden fever to play the game
I think this video is a nice idea! Maybe if you want, do one about known early concepts for X (with "3 dimensional camera" instead of tank controls), and maybe one about Ivalice and Fortress, the success-story of FFXIV ARR, the mobile games of VII, the differences in the releases of VI, the 3D-remakes that games like III, IV and SoM received, the secrets that the Kingdom Hearts Ultimania books contain... oh my, I have so many ideas!
Crystal Tools pretty much screwed FF13, FF14 (1.0) and Versus 13
I played this on release day and loved it, i never new about any of these development problems or dislike of the game till years later. It's amazing how much one can like something when their weak little minds are not influenced by elitist internet trolls.
I just started playing XIII again last week, I've always enjoyed XIII and XIII-2. I see the flaws, and it's awfully linear. But to me Final Fantasy games are meant to tell a mystical story with compelling characters. It does that in spades for me. No it's not the best FF out there. But it's one I still enjoy.
I hope they bring out a remastered of the three games for PS4/PS5
I mean it is Square Enix so it will likely happen eventually
Cho Tengen Toppa Nep Nep hope so I only ever played between 10 or 20 mins of the first one back I’m 2013 and never played it after that lol
I think its worthy. It took some big risks and I'd say its mostly paid off. XIII in particular may not be a Final Fantasy I'm aching to go back to, but I don't regret my time with it. Also thank you for the shout out! I'm really glad you enjoyed my video that much!
UNPOPULAR OPINION: Final Fantasy 13 is my favorite of them all (the first game). I never understood peoples linear complaints because the other games had linear areas as well...and yes i played most ff games 7 - 15 as well as spin offs like crisis core, dierge, and World of FF (15 being the absolute worst). The gameplay i think is wonderful and strategic and the graphics still hold up to todays standards. Also it has one of the best sound tracks of any FF. The story was ok however not amazing but i still appreciate them altering the teams to compliment what is happening in the story and who leaves from the group. This is something people complain about too which i think is just being petty.
Also its a great cast of characters (minus hope). I really haven't seen such a large range of well designed characters since 10 or 7. I have no idea why people say this games bad but from the moment i played it i was blown away.
The other two sequels just didnt live up in quality. Honestly i was mad they forced out two more games by saying bs happened at the of 13 causing all these problems. While ill admit 13-2 had a better story and main villian...it was less polished than 13. The cutscenes had heavy frame rate issues, animations were more clunky on movement especially outside combat and the graphics actually seemed slightly worse. And lightning returns i didnt like at all. The gameplay change and leveling/time and day and night area unlocks was a bad change imo. 13-2 was enjoyable because of its story and gameplay especially the customizable monster team members. But LR had no party and a weird battle system i wasnt a fan of.
So imo ff13 (the original) was the best ff game to come out in the last decade if not all time only rivalling 10,7 or 8.
Your opinion is actually quite popular. Most people actually like FF13
Love the trilogy. LOVE the music. I'm a FF13 fan
I actually liked FF13. I always thought Final Fantasy was supposed to be different from each entry which means experimentation. For those looking for a more traditional experience, I highly recommend Lost Odyssey
Lost Odyssey is fucking masterpiece of a jrpg From the creator of Final Fantasy him
self
I see Lost Odyssey as an alternate reality FF13
"Not everyone sharing the same vision" just means, to me, that not everybody wanted Nomura's vision.
what do you mean Nomura's vision!? He wasn't the director of FF13, it was Motomu Toriyama.
Nomura was just a character designer dude. There's some legit reasons to criticize Nomura but dont make him the sqeenizlx pinata.
"What could go wrong. What could go wrong. What could go wrong? You should watch someone else." Ok, done.
This was the first game I brought for my PS3, and oh boy, what a HUGE disappointment it was. I was actually loving it until I realized the game was just a set of corridors. From there everything began to fall apart for me, from the characters to the plot and the music. People say the music is good but I can't really understand it. All I can remember is the same fucking music (the one which plays with the cutscene in which Snow and Serah kiss by the fireworks) playing over and over again, with other musics being variations from that same song.
By the time I reached the one place with a more open area, the magic of its amazing graphics had run off, and I was so bored with it that I just wanted to finish it and never touch it again, which is exacly what I did.
It’s too bad that this was your impression of FFXIII. Unfortunately, it’s a sentiment that is shared by many people. I can’t blame you though- the game was truly really linear for a large portion of the game- even the ‘open’ area of Pulse felt empty and bland.
It's so important to know what J-Devs go through in production.
My dad's million-dollar quote is:
Dad: Use what you have.
Games are products no matter what. Use what you have. And be grateful for that. ^-^
I love final fantasy 13 trilogy. I'm actually currently replaying it and my wife doesn't mind watching me play. The pacing is great for a back seat gamer.
Thanks for bringing this up, because this actually hurt Versus XIII in a lot of ways. Nomura should still have been able to make it too
FFXIII content in 2020, hell yeah
My third favorite Final Fantasy of all time. Never cared about all the hate it keeps getting, it gave me 3 stories that I enjoyed a lot.
FFXIII trilogy was my fav FF experience. So many emotions!
XIII isn't as bad as they say, but it was still not a great game and definitely didn't live up to the Final Fantasy name. It's an example of how getting stuck on the development side of things can lead to a weak story. The battle system was okay, but it definitely needed refinement. As someone else mentioned, the music for this game is really good though.
its not bad at all
I've said this a thousand times! And I'll say it again! I enjoyed the Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy!
The first one had it's problems. Though I still had a wonderful time playing it! I loved the characters, the story, the graphics, the OSTs! It's not one of my favorite Final Fantasy games in the series, but I still felt it was an enjoyable experience! It could have been worse, and it could have been better. Final Fantasy XIII-2 highly improved over the first game! Honestly, my only complaint with the sequel was the lack of playable characters! Especially not having Lightning! The main character! Even though for some reason they decided to put her on the front cover of the game lol In the first game, I loved ALL the characters! Don't get me wrong, I enjoyed playing as Sarah for the first time! Noel was an awesome new character to add! And I thought Mog was adorable! I just wish they added the previous characters back to the roster! But to be fair, a few of them do make cameos! Final Fantasy XIII Lightning Returns......IS AMAZING! I really had fun with that game! Why? Well, unlike the previous games, this one was more of an open world experience! And as the title says, Lightning returns! And she plays wonderful! Yes, I can understand people's complaints with this game. But it didn't bother me! Doing side quests and just exploring the worlds was just breath taking! I consider it my favorite in the FFXIII Trilogy! And one of my favorite RPGs! As a whole, I enjoyed the Trilogy! Even till this day, I'm still upset Square still hasn't brought the trilogy to PS4! They did that for the Xbox One owners! But not PS4! Square brought remasters of Final Fantasy VII, VIII, IX, X, X-2, XII & XIV to PS4! But not the Final Fantasy XIII Trilogy!? Who knows, maybe they'll bring the trilogy to PS5! Of course, all of this is just *MY* opinion! I really hope Square will remaster FFXIII and it's sequels! because I would really love to experience them all over again!
Remake 13 and remaster 2 and 3, make 13/1 open world and free, better more flexible combat and game play, variety of locations for combat scenarios. Make it large scale. I would also love an open world spin-off taking place in Valhalla during 13/2 lightning being front and center in story.
I love the trilogy I still play till this day
Is it surprising that poor communication between departments culminated in poor communication with the audience?
I can't say I particularly enjoy playing FF13 compared to other titles and the lack of cohesion on so many levels of development really shows, but I do think it was trying to show people something important that, unfortunately, was overshadowed by all these difficulties.
It's not just the infamous linerality of the thing, but the oppressive feeling of vacuity throughout. There are sporadic changes in environment that feel completely dissociated from each other. The characters are solidly designed, but didn't have much support from the plot to really help them take root.
Fang in particular interested me because of her return from crystal in order to take on a new a focus.
Interactions were dull, aimless, and sound like a perfect representation of the numerous meetings staff at Square must have had to try and figure out what in the high holy hell they were supposed to be doing.
They all had this hazy glimpse of a game, but none of them could hardly get a beat on it, let alone agree with the others about what their half-remembered fragment really meant or how it was supposed to fit in with the others.
Some confusing choices were made overseas too, like using a Leona Lewis song for no discernible reason other than because she was popular.
It still has Squares pithy incorporation of mythological imagery and luxurious art, like the luminescent angel/goddess figure playing a harp with an intricate feathered headdress that I paused the video on at complete random.
The underlying theme of FF13 is to take one's life into one's own hands and yet every choice they made only seemed to draw them closer to the inevitable.
People like to talk big about taking on fate, but have no idea what that means in practice because they cat like fate is something that happens to them and not something that they are a participant in.
You don't have to overcome fate; a sentiment echoed in the various times the characters spoke about how they didn't need their focuses. If you accept that everything you do is fate, then anything that happens is your will; is your focus. If you reject it, then you're at odds with fate and you're setting yourself up for confusion.
As I've hinted, this is explored, but not very effectively and by the end the heroes seem to have almost completely contradicted themselves and only manage to save the world by complete accident.
The game has an interesting way of discussing the archetypes. Instead of presenting them as god figures, they are more literally represented as the process of nature; vast machines called fal'cie who, interestingly, despite their immense scale and power, and expressed to be mankind's sibling and not it's parent or superior, which is in line with the role of the unconscious. We couldn't live without the processes that keep our hearts beating and our abstract desires seem to make them rebel against us, and yet at the same time they cannot go against their innate biological function.
I mean of course we all knew how much they struggled you can see it in the design. but ff13 still came out great. I mean if it was more fleshed out it could be one of the best ff's but as it is it's still good.
it's really bad....
Not to be rude, but... I'm led to believe you haven't played many of the games from the 90's and early 2000's...
@@esquiredan2702 I have played the games from those times and can say for a fact that FF13 is not bad
@@esquiredan2702 are you referring to me?
@@RonoroaDSanji FF13 is bad in terms of final fantasy. In fact this was the first time the bar was set so low for final fantasy.
The story was vague and only had the cliffsnotes. The engine couldn't handle anymore because it was designed for pretty graphics.
And they insisted on making an ff7 2.0 with a new twist.
That explains the FFXIII delays, which I was aware of at the time they were happening. But then FFXV went on to have massive delays and problem as well. This speaks to a huge mismanagement problem at Square Enix. As in their directors and executives don't know how to get their team to be focused on working towards completion. The fact that we are 5 years after the release of FFXV and still no news of FFXVI. FFVIIR was not supposed to be a replacement for a main title, yet here we are.
Final Fantasy 16 has to be SquareEnix comeback as RPG gods for Playstation 5. Follow Dragon Quest XI as example dude.
FF needs to go back to turn based
...who do you think developed Dragon Quest XI?
@@kkknl i meant follow the example as turn-based rpg formula like DQ XI and world map with zones or better like Xenoblade Chronicles X world map.
The problems with the original XIII game affected even versus XIII, it's kinda obvious that the removal of all references to the Fabula Nova Christalis concepts were made to avoid reminding people that Noctis world was connected to Light's with the whole Fal'Cie thingy.
Still baffles me how people back then thought this footage 2:12 was gameplay.
I told them "there are cinematics cuts, and quick close ups. the numbers don't match. that's no gameplay"
Who's laughing now? ...
Not me! I still bought it. :I
I enjoyed 13 much more than 12! Never finished 12! I hated the story, characters and gameplay ! 13 had a far more interesting world and was visually stunning !
I always feel for the mainline workers. It's the higher ups I get frustrated with. SE fucked up with the engine, but it seems the head guys on the project couldn't get a cohesive plan in place on numerous fronts.
Oh, guys, stop asking for a remaster... This game absolutely deserve a remake.
But we can't have everything in the end. XV was butchered and they tried fixing it, but stopped half way.
PS3 was hard to program. That console alone basically destroyed this entire generation of Final Fantasies. Hopefully this won't repeat again on XVI.
nah bro crystal tools and luminous engine did
I was iffy on this game but now I love it, in time you can learn to appreciate many things and 13-2 and lightning returns made me enjoy this game more
I absolutely loved XIII, some gorgeous scenes and the love story was beautiful
I always felt that Serah and Noel had more chemistry than Snow and Serah, but I also never really liked Snow.
I can't believe this game turns 11 years old today...
I would love a remastered release of all three. I enjoyed pt1, never got around to pt 2 or 3
Part 2 had some of the best music ever. Would love to try out part 3 some day
I found 2 better than 1 and I never finished 3 but I'm not a big Lightning fan.. but I loved the story.
At least with Final Fantasy XIII regardless of its issues felt like it was a finished product. FXV felt like it was released halfway through being finished and then scrambled for released.
Had so much fun with FFXIII yes it did have far shares of trouble & was linear but for those types of graphics on the PS3 was outstanding love it or hate it idc !
The sequels were definitely more enjoyable because they weren't weighed down by the lore the first had.
That said, I'm always conflicted when a series changes its settings too much, especially when they involve time travel.
They focused too much on graphics, what make them lack a lot in other areas, like gameplay and history, those are 2 really important factors in a rpg... i mean the gameplay is automatic, terrible decision for a really long game, tge progression system is linear, what it doesnt give any margen to creativity for players, the history is not interesting at all, i played 1 time and i didnt understand what was a fal ciw or a lucie but they keep saying it in every conversation...
Ff13 have a beautiful music area but you dont play a game for the music... graphics and music are elements supporting the main game, for me... a good history is the most important in a final fantasy, following the gameplay.
Also it doesnt help at all the team, lightning is amazing dont get me wrong.. but the rest of the team is like.. meh... they need non humanoid in the team always, thats what make final fantasy so rich in variety.
It definitely a lost oportunity, but i am sure they learnt from that and together with ff versus 13 and its bad ending with ff 15 they will probably redeem themself with ff 7 remake and something is telling me that they gonna come back with ff 16 to "old school" idea where the history could be even one of the best ever been created, they will.
the gameplay isnt automatic and the history of the world is the biggest in ff
@@blackchase6732 I don't know a lot about FF13 (what I mean is that it didn't catch my attention) but it doesn't seems attractive enough for me... I am sure it is good it is just very confusing in the first game, also I mean the battle system is automatic basically, still you gotta change rols to perform correctly but... you know what I mean.
FFXIII is mix of problems of deelopment but somehow, after all the trouble we received an incredible game. Those who say the game is too linear are blind because all FF are lienear one way or another, they just deceive to think they ar not. When i had the oportunity to see the game in action i was amazed by it's graphics and the time FFXIII came to me was an important time back then. I kinda understood what the developers wanted us to feel about it, the feeling of the shackles, the decision to fight back and the freedom to choose what we want besides fate. One of my favorite experiences.
Also, the "melodies of life" song in the end makes me feel nostalgic about the time i've finished IX (and it was back then in 2012 when i did that i got to know XIII)
Wow right after I got done witching cutscenes for Lightning Returns 😂 favorite FF Game
Final Fantasy XIII has aged well (imo) thirteen years after its release. The battles are fast, fun to watch and are classic turn-based, something FF games seem to have gotten away from. The cutscenes are beautifully animated, and the story was interesting and actually felt complete by the end. Playing the game now, the linearity is a breath of fresh air, especially after playing a (seemingly) endless supply of open world games rife with pointless fetch quests. Among the new era of Final Fantasy games (10-15) and I would say that Final Fantasy XV is the true dumpster fire of the series, not FFXIII.
"because of the rough development,we have a square enix that is far more knowledgeable about HD game development" *OG FF14 and FF15 leaves the chat
Why isn't been ported to switch yet
Great just give people more of a reason to complain about this series. I just want my PS4 Port and if y’all keep complaining, I ain’t gunna get it. 🙄
I want it for ps4 as well! I own all 3 on the xbox and saw only 13-2 and Lightning Returns in the ps4 store.
Tara Queen you did????
Wth man, it’s just an informative video lol
everyone knows the mess around ff13, that's not why people hate it lol
alexander martinez that didn’t make sense
It's a miracle any of the Fabula Nova Crystallis got released in any shape or form when you think about it.
Both FFXIII, FFXIV and Versus XIII suffered a lot because of Crystal Tools and that utter lack of management..
Since they focus on Final Corridor 13, the engine was not made for big open areas like we see in XIV and XV.
Crystal Tools almost sank the company when you think about it
Well, I'm still more into the old ATB, give commands to everyone, kind of combat. So I'm holding my breath for the FF7 remake. Graphics look sick though.
Voice overs have not been SE's strongpoint either. Those child voices.. Everything since FFX is in my opinion so far from the fundamentals of what made a good FF.. Especially X-2, XIII, XV
FF6 to FF9 are my games. But I adore all the ones before too. Will never forget I thought Aerith was sexy as hell in that intro movie back then. Also everything was way more dark and gloomy in the older games. And I miss Nobuo's music. Sunk almost 3k hours in XIV. But in the end it's just another MMORPG in the theme of FF. Not a Final Fantasy.
Nope. Tried all of XIII's games but couldn't complete them. Probably going to get lot's of hate for these opinions. But I have big time enjoying SE's games nowadays. To much crinch all over the place.
final fantasy 6 was my number 1 (least till i tried to get back into it recently and found the graphics just dont hold it up... they did back then but after playing it like 6 billion times.... the game is due for a remaster to 3d graphics), and honestly in my opinion, 13 has a story similar to 6 :o and imo 13 is the last good game of squares XD i wonder what tossed you off 13?
Never understood why people hated this game so much
I like the game. I wish it was remastered for the ps4
Despite all the things I didn't like about FFXIII, to its gameplay (particularly when the party leader dies it's game over) and somewhat confusing plot line, I enjoyed the game all in all. The franchise as a whole. It wasn't perfect, but I think some people criticised the XIII trilogy abit too harshly.
i wish they hurry up an put a remastered on ps4 i would love that
Having played the 360 version of FFXIII, which was divided into 3 DVDs totaling 18.6 GB, I wonder if some of the cut content was because they couldn't fit it into them, similar to how the PS1 games usually cut content on the later discs (such as locations being cut by Iifa Tree's roots on FFIX, or Time Compression on FFVIII). Note that the PS3's Blu Ray could fit up to about 50 GB, in comparison.
This is further emphasized by the fact that pre-rendered cutscenes are heavily compressed on it too, and that the point at which the game "opens up" is also when you switch to Disc 3 (namely, Gran Pulse).
Ff XIII for me was awesome! It was my first and only game on PS3 for nearly 2 years back when I got it as a late b day/new years gift in 2011. Just imagine, for a young teenager, who's only FF played prior to FF XIII was IV and CC Echoes of time on DS and had no access to WIFI to follow JRPG news and reviews at the time....Defenitly had to be *and was* mind blown and amazed by gameplay, graphics, characters and best of all unbiased by critics and reviews! It was one of best moments of my life!😂 This game *and trilogy* will always have a special place in my heart forever no matter what people say....😊
Ffxiii was the first ff I ever played and I love it and lightning returns! (Xiii-2 is a love hate relationship for me) I believe it would have been an all time favorite if they had stayed with Fabula Nova Crystallia, but the fact that they even MADE it to this point is a miracle! Hope people give xiii a chance even now ☺️
It's almost like XIII was one of those albums that a really awesome band has that just doesn't really hit home. XIII has a lot of good themes, looks, and sounds amazing...the game definitely suffered, the story wasn't executed well, hardly any backstory for anything, and overall it was lacking some Final Fantasy, it was almost like a Star Ocean game. Overall though, I played it start to finish when it came out and loved it and XIII-2 and 3 bolstered the story into something much bigger and completely different which ended up pretty cool.