NO HIT Spamton NEO (SnowGrave / TRUE Genocide) | Deltarune
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- čas přidán 11. 06. 2024
- looks like there was another spamton hiding in the bushes for me. This fight is pretty similar to the normal version but there are a few key differences, for one, you're alone, and two, he has more difficult patterns later on. you don't see much of those patterns here since I killed him relatively quick, so the fight was more or less pretty similar. the REAL challenge is doing the whole thing without X-Slash, you have to fight for almost twice as long and you're stuck with those stinky upgraded patterns for a long time. I'll get it done but I don't know how long it'll take.
Intro 0:00
Fight 0:56
Post-fight: 4:50
End: 6:10 - Hry
Spamton is such a refreshing character. He's not fighting you because he's heroic, he's fighting you because your evil plans are interfering with _his_ evil plans.
It's the classic scenario of two villains working together before one inevitably double-crosses the other. He helped the player with their slaughter so he could get into the mansion, Kris sealing the fountain was *not* part of the deal.
So.. Flowey basically lmao.
@@diablohermano9901 With Flowey, he's perfectly fine helping you with your evil plan, until he starts wondering if he's next. At that point, it's a matter of survival.
true chad
no he's fighting you because you haven't accepted the [[DEAL]]
“Neo is famous for high defense”
Mettaton: uhhhh yeah right
It’s funny because in the genocide route mettaton dies instantly
@@chosenone8456 Because at that time Frisk (lv.15) was too strong. MTT NEO even let them attack first and no matter his def is 99 or 0, he still dies except if he knows how to dodge.
@@Noone-dw9vr bruh...the highest I got was either LV 17 Or LV 18 but that makes sense
His whole design is neo, from what I can tell, from the wings to his blaster on his right hand. I'll need to check again, but I'm pretty sure before the fight in a normal pacifist playthrough when you find the empty disk, there's dialogue stating that it's a robot. Possibly mettaton? He does seem to be just his normal ghostly self in this AU
@@IDontReallyWantACZcamsHandle The shopkeeper in the Queen's Mansion says that Spamton's body was the discarded dream of a lightner, who eventually abandoned it. This lightner is implied to be Mettaton.
"BUT DON'T BLAME ME WHEN YOU'RE [Crying] IN A [Broken Home] WISHING YOU LET YOUR OLD PAL SPAMTON [Kill You]"
god damn dude he made it personal lmao
Consider that chapter 3 is gonna feature Toriel.
She might join the party...
*BROKEN HOME*
This is foreshadowing.
spamton cmon man please finish me off
Damn, next chapter is gonna be emotional.
We're gonna regret finding this route.
@@TheDarkMewtwo996 Imagine her reaction to Ralsei dude
I don't see a lot of people talk about how raw Spamton's lines sound while Kris is calling for help. Like he's really speaking from experience, because after he lost it all he called and called for help as well. Nobody came for him. When he sees Kris at this point, it's like he's talking to a mirror.
Poor guy just wanted to chase the bag
@@yokuutsu9097 spamton was a sigma to the end
@@yokuutsu9097 he just wanted to be a [BIG SHOT!]
@@etherealhatred yeah he just wanted to you to have [hyperlink block]
Plus he's finally talking in proper sentences and not just sales and hyper link blocks
Toby did a phenominal job of making the *megalomaniacal lunatic* look like a saint when compared to the Pipis Route player.
Pipis route?
@@InFmouseGmer-wk8in This here. Everyone's also been calling it the "True Genocide", "Evil", and "Weird" routes. You get on it by being abusive to Noelle and using her to kill everyone you come across, then buying the Thorn Ring from Spamton and using SnowGrave to kill Berdly, changing the events of the mansion.
@@InFmouseGmer-wk8in i mean, you only kill one dude, so we can't really call it genocide, now can we?
@@christianrodriguez8577 I really heard people call it the snowgrave route, which really fits well imo
@@hyrowy8800 Snowgrave is best. It's not really a genocide route and it would be confused with all the people fighting all the enemies saying genocide route
"AND THIS IS HOW YOU [Repay] ME? TREATING ME LIKE [DLC]?"
Jesus Christ, that's a good line.
I didn't understand it
@@-TJGRmost DLC is basically shit, and something you don't need. That's what it means.
@@abritnamedsethinnit oh...
Thanks
@@abritnamedsethinnitI think it’s more that DLC is (supposed to) be optional and not important to the base games play and plot, so Spamtons saying you’re treating him as unimportant even though he’s a Big Shot now
@@Colddirector that makes more sense than my idea of it.
just realized
a genocide route isn't possible in chapter 1 since all the enemies flee when defeated
you are literally using noelle to bypass that fact and kill everyone anyway via freezing them
Geez, that’s true.
Your choices don't matter... Noelle's do.
@@chic0nic0 and she had no choice :0
@@chic0nic0 we do have the choice of forcing Noelle to do stuff though
yeah its like the second the player gets a loophole look what happens
"TO [$!$!] ME OVER RIGHT AT THE [Good part]!? WHAT ARE YOU, A [Gameshow Host]!?
Such an underated line.
its so funny that when he tries to say fuck it censors 😭
This quote hit me real hard.
Probably foreshadowing for Mike
@@armintargaryen9216 everyone thinks Mike is the tv smile but personally I think Mike in chapter 3 is Mike wazowski
isn't mike the dude who made the big shot soda commericial in 1997
Chapter 1: your actions don’t matter
Chapter 2: but what about everyone else’s?
NOBODY ELSE LIKE! We have reached the enough amount for the funny number!
Edit: Nvm... Congrats for the likes tho
chapter 7: the bonus boss hijacks the plot.
@@Samn47_ i cant wait for chapter 3 to release to say your right
@@thecolorblue7156
[$!$$] THAT! CHAPTERS 3, 4 AND 5 ARE COMING OUT AS A [Paid DLC]
@@megamike15bro that’s already the snowgrave route
"You think making frozen chicken with your side chick is gonna let you drink up that sweet sweet freedom sauce?"
That line is savage!
"Well you're damn right! But don't blame me when you're crying in a broken home wishing you let your old pal Spamton kill you."
@@Lessen0 Spamton really went for Kris’ throat w that line
@@Lessen0
Oh Spamton, his home is already broken.
At 3:27
Oooooooooh
"You think making [Frozen Chicken] with your [Side Chick] is gonna let you drink up that [sweet, sweet] [Freedom Sauce]?"
Why does that line just feel so quotable? XD
When does he say that?
Same with "AND THIS IS HOW YOU [Repay] ME!? TREATING ME LIKE [DLC]!?"
@@romanfrancis1232 3:28
When you know who's talking about, it hits even harder x)
@@cranberry4 his talking about noelle because you used her in the snowgrave route to kill berdly
Spamton clearly knows more than he lets on. Why would he sell you the Thorn Ring, a ring made SPECIFICALLY so its easier for Noelle to use the IceShock (and later, SnowGrave) spell, only to try and stop you later on? I think one possible theory lies in what is basically his catchphrase: *Big Shot.* I think by making it easier for you, the player, to commit genocide by using Noelle as a proxy to do so by freezing everything (and killing Berdley with SnowGrave), he can eventually take over the castle. He can be known as the one who defeated not just Queen, but also the person who is supposedly freezing and killing all the others. He's looking for his own chance to be a *big shot* and you're that chance. Which is why he challenges you alone. He can defeat you, take the ring, and basically claim he brought an end to the evils. He didn't expect you to be tough on your own, nor did he expect Noelle to actually be listening at the end to use SnowGrave. He's so far gone he's willing to enable you to take as far as you can go with a Genocide route for his own 15 minutes of fame, but little does he know how his actions have drastically changed the story.
him praying and wanting an audience kind of backs your theory up
@@helpme3230 yet... *There is no audience*
Even in the pacifist route you can see that Spamton wants to rule over everyone. He gave you the ring to make things easier for him. He even says in the in battle dialogue he sold that ring for the purpose of Noelle killing people.
@@GDNashit …The showlights are broken
we thought we were manipulating noelle but in reality spamton was manipulating us to manipulate noelle. in the end our choices didnt matter spamtons did tho lmao
Toby is really good at making the player feel bad, regardless of who they are, you feel like your actions are real and you just feel like a piece of shit after doing the genocide routes
I really wish at some point of Bad actions route Kris would become final boss against Lighters and Darkers
I actually feel like Deltarune makes this feeling of guilt better than Undertale itself, now that you not only control one character (let alone the fact that the others SPEAK and REACT to your actions) the feeling of misery in Deltarune is way bigger now that you have other people and side characters that the game just *doesn't* allow you to kill, i genuinely felt horrible seeing the queen sad when getting to the town, realizing that all of the people she used to rule over are now gone cuz of *you* , getting rid of her purpose as a queen and dragging her into your own actions of having nobody there, i will feel so bad if in chapter 3 you can *use* toriel for this sort of stuff
@@skell6134 Yeah, i think eventually Kris (maybe with the help of Gaster) will break out of the player's control and become the final boss
Really? All I feel is happiness whenever I kill undyne
Also I wish jevil did this if you avoid his fight at the castle
And I thought choices didn't matter in deltarune, I was wrong
*Kris'* don't.
Kris isn't the only one there.
You're not wrong. No matter the choices, the end is the same.
How you get to the end tho, that's a whole different story
The game is still right, your choices in battle don't matter. However..... the choices of others does
If the ending is always the same, does that mean Berdly will die sometime during the pacifist route?
@@ZorillaMyrid181 Birdly has little to no importance to the story. Whether he's dead or not won't change your ending.
I like how even if chapter one tried to hammer it in that "your choices don't matter," we still see that it does. Even if it isn't obvious at first, the choices you make will still affect the fate of the characters around you and how they perceive you. I can't wait to see how this further plays out in future chapters, because its clear that it'll get worse over time
the ending won't change, but toby never said anything about the rest
@@turanksu4033 I mean I suppose so yeah, I don't doubt the ending may be the same regardless. Though the fact that we can at least influence things through our actions somewhat is really interesting to say the least. I'm really excited for what Toby has planned
@@pantamonte its an interesting spin for sure, the flip from different endings to instead different means to reach what seems to be the same outcome
@@turanksu4033 it's kinda annoying, I would like to play the game by fighting enemys, but I'm scared it will influence stuff in chapter 3..
I think he changed his mind. There's probably no longer only 1 ending, since the Steam page was updated to say "... only 1 ending...?" I think after making Noelle's attacks Toby realized frozen enemies can't run away, so they actually die. At that point he probably changed his mind and added this route.
This specific fight makes the connections between neo and mettaton even more clear specifically at the "Wreck" and "Spew" parts of the fight, its extremely similar to Mettaton's Record and Rewind attacks
As well as the whole "Didn't you know NEO is known for it's high defence?" being the exact opposite of Mettaton EX being defeated in one hit
Plus the shared idea of a Character abandoning their friends for fame/fortune and then being made to feel bad about it
Both character's themes also share a connection, as you can hear the ome from Undertale when it's started somewhat after.
@13. Ghani Ziyad Sagiansyah Please don’t misgender Mettaton
It's literally Mettaton Neo's body lol
i like how spamton swears a lot in this route. sure its censored but you can tell what hes trying to say anyway, unless youre innocent enough. i dunno why it amuses me so much, i just find it funny when characters swear in these types of games in general
Gives a bit more weight to it
@@Boamere yeah! you can feel the rage
WELL HOW ELSE AM I SUPPOSED TO (REVEAL) MY (MANY OPTIONS) WITHOUT THE USE OF (PROFOUND) LANGUAGE YOU (IGNORANT) (HYPERLINK BLOCKED) (HOMOSAPIEN)
No you dont
In this route he is basically your drunk uncle that swears a lot at family reunions, just bcuz there is no beer.
It just occurred to me… Kris has 0 Magic. Literally, as a stat. Spamton commenting about this because “you lost it when you tried to see too far” is… interesting.
It's also kinda interesting imo on how the Jevilstail give Kris +2 magic, even though it's completely useless on Kris
That's what I think happened to Jevil too. They tried to gain power/knowledge that they weren't supposed to. And it didn't end up well for them. Kris may be able to escape those fates due to him being a Lightner though.
JaruJaruJ had a really interesting theory about this, that the 'Angel' sealed away all the magic into the dark worlds
@@Busshhuoh yeah, we don't see toriel creating fire to cook
I really do love Spamton standing up to you in this fight specifically because he has no heroic reason. It's simply because he is living out the capitalist dream, and wants to stop you from ripping that away after you seal the dark fountain
Yes, it's such a neat concept and I'd love to see more of it
Not to mention it's pretty symbolic with Spamton being controlled with strings, and Kris is also in the exact same situation
I love this Selfish little puppet man...that most fans claim innocent
I do kind of dislike that some people forget he is doing this for selfish reasons
@@nullsmike6318 Honestly me too. Sure he is silly but people tend to forget just how much of an evil bastard this man is
When Spamton straight out says "your really are trying to keep using *her* "
Makes me feel like the worst piece of trash in this planet.
*And I haven't play this route at all, my save file is a complete pacifist completion.*
Its even worse than in undertale's genocide route. It makes you feel so bad
I got an pacifist save file and a genocide one guess thats cool
@@prettycooldude i only have pacifist one xd. Never doing genocide run in deltarune, i wont ever forgive myself .-.
@@nubert2036 i mean this is only chapter 2 i wonder if it can get worse in the other 5 chapters
@@prettycooldude true
This boss feels like an apology letter for Mettaton NEO being so easy. And I'm living for it.
I'm still waiting MTT Neo in undertale had mode >:O
@@power_of_neo Thats probably never going to happen. That would make the genocide run way to unfair. Theres nothing between Mettaton Neo and Sans, that could help us, and the Items in Snowdin don't heal much at this point. Any good healing items are probably used in the Mettaton fight, wich would make the fight against Sans especially for new players even harder.
@@Marxererer it's hard mode, isn't it?
@@Marxererer as the person above me stated, it is indeed hard mode so there wont be any new players playing hard mode and not expecting hell
@joga felipe 7006 7006 its supposed to make you feel invincible so it makes the sans fight more impactful
It feels like two villains fighting
It is, pretty much. Spamton is fighting Kris because if the fountain is sealed, he would have nothing to rule over. (Or maybe he would die? I'm not sure what happens when a fountain is sealed with a darkner still inside).
That's exactly what this is. Two villains teaming up to achieve their mutual goals, only for one of them to betray the other, leading to a fight.
"Neo is famous for high defense"
Well seems that mettaton didnt knew that
More like Alphy's didn't knew that
well, he had a ton of health(even more than undyne) but negative defense
@@_The.Queen.In.Pink_ but who decided to use that form
@@saul2416 that and frisk at that point could one shot anyone
@@gabiwolf1439 i don't think he knew it was a weak form
The "There is no audience" flavor text fits him soooooo much better in snowgrave than in a normal route
Kris: WHERE'S ALL THE PIPIS?!
Route With Emotional Manipulation & Murder:
Kris: *AWWWW AWWW YEAH!*
...
...
...Pipis room...
@@KingKayro87*_p e e r o o m_*
hey can we talk about how he addresses kris by name multiple times in the pacifist route but never once in the snowgrave route?
do y'all think that means he's talking directly to the player (or whatever he thinks is controlling kris)?
Well on snowgrave, spamton and Kris never meet in that alley. So spamton probably didn't know his name.
@@coleomantenforty8747 Except Kris never shares their name on the alley. Spamton just begins using it out of nowhere.
@@coleomantenforty8747 Kris actually goes by they/them, and like Moltz said, Spamton just figures it out on his own. Much like Jevil he's been driven to insanity but unlike them, he seems to know about the player as well, directly addressing us several times during the snowgrave AND pacifist route at times. Either he knows Kris's name from someone else telling him, or he has knowledge of the games files or the player's actions considering like what Ralsei said he's a "corrupted program".
He’s talking to himself
@@joechristo2 that.. puts the Snowgrave dialogue into a new perspective.
spamtonNEO's laughter sounds like Gaster's laughter from the file 123_abc_a but more "metallic"
Yeah
Don't think that's supposed to be Gaster's laughter, just a little easter egg put in by Toby to scare dataminers. In every game there's some hidden thing poking fun at them.
spamton does have some weird connections with gaster and his followers, like, when you talk with the last ad he talks about the phone in spamton room that was ringing but when he pick it up he just hears "garbadge noise", the same description you get when you try using your phone in the dark world, with implies that spamton call comes from the real world, spamton also have a G in his full name (spamton G. spamton) and he having a ring that makes you able to control the one wearing it, just some thinking of mine
they probably both just use the same FL studio tts voice plugin
@@Legomilho Only thing wrong with this is that last part about having a ring that lets you control someone.
It doesn't do that. It uses pain to make the wearer stronger. We could always control Noelle because we, as the player, have a HUGE influence on her (for some reason, unexplained.) It's also worth mentioning that she is not wearing the ring in the Light World, but can still hear OUR "horrifying" voice. (see genocide route hospital scene)
Funny. In the Mettaton NEO fight, there was only one line of narration.
"Stage lights are blaring."
And in this fight, we have this.
*"Stage lights are broken."*
The evidence that Spamton NEO's body, and to an extent maybe even Spamton, are related to Mettaton keeps growing, seriously, at this rate I'll have to make a compilation.
The NEO body is described as being the abandoned dream of a Lightner.
I can imagine this world's Mettaton, in the dead of night, going to the Library's computer room and designing the dream body he always wanted to have... and at the end of it, giving up and deciding it's not worth it, closing it and sending the file to the computer's trash bin.
And there, it gets discovered by a certain scavenging spam program.
Spamton and Mettaton aren't related. However the tech behind both characters new body and powers are related. The creator. Maybe a Lightner or Gaster (back when he was a Lightner maybe)
Spamton and Mettaton aren't related. But the NEO forms are one and the same. In Deltarune it's the unfinished dream of a ghost girl that wants to be a robot boy,
But in Undertale it's the grand finale of a robot boy faced with an unstoppable nightmare.
@@hollandbittick6603 You forget who made Mettaton in the first place, Alphys. And we know for sure she exists in this world. It was her dream to have a robot so she drew up a design and threw it away.
Happastablook,having the "Robot boy" dream,she drew up the rough sketch of mettaton neo,but after she got close to finishing it,she went:you know what? Never mind....and deleted the file,which spamton would later use for his own gain.
I'm so happy that Toby put him as a genocide boss, this feels like he regrets not making Mettaton Neo an actual boss, so he put him in deltarune instead. 1v1 like in Undertale
The dream of a Mettaton NEO fight came true in a way
if i know right, Mettaton NEO was meant to be a real fight, but Toby had to scrap it off because he didn't want two bosses right after each other as the players wouldn't have any healing items left.
@@emiriye damn, that's interesting. as evil as it would be, i think he should have gone through with it. the genocide route's a punishment; why show any mercy to the player when they didn't show mercy to anyone else?
@@Tendo641 because it isn't about being a punishment for the character, but for the player to see the monster he just created, Frisk is too powerful to be stopped and you only can keep up with it, so as i said, the punishment isn't for Frisk, it's for you the player and the game punishes you with showing how the character you love are being killed by Frisk being lead with the decisions you made
@@etherealhatred i said the punishment is for the player. i didn't even mention frisk's name.
anyway, it is effective showing mettaton blown aside like that but according to the user i responded to, it was actually done due to fairness reasons. i think that the genocide route shouldn't have held back in making itself extremely difficult and unfair when its purpose is to punish you for killing everything
Jevil, Spamton, and Gaster all have one thing in common: a really creepy smile
As well as a creepy laugh
Jevil, Spamton. and any secret boss past this point, are most likely being powered by Gaster.
and some weird shit about freedom, gaster is kinda justified but still weird
@@Legomilho I mean, Gaster is the one that makes them lose their shit.
@@simplymax1337 there is no actual proff that it was him that made it, but there is proff that he was involved, i belive that the one that actually did it was the knight, but gaster is using them for some reason
5:57 To me, the reason why Spamton sounds so utterly enraged is because he KNOWS what it feels like to have and lose friends, so even though he isn't interested in friendship anymore, he still has an understanding of how important someone's trust is.
Which is why he gets so furious, he knows that "Kris"(It's basically The Player, but Spamton doesn't know that) has taken Noelle's trust and abused it to hell and back, utterly destroying her mentally and emotionally; and even after all that, "Kris" still has the audacity to call for help from the friendships they destroyed, which makes Spamton sick.
Obviously, Spamton ain't innocent, he still provided the Thorn Ring, and instructed "Kris" on what to do, but this is my headcanon on why he's so angry at this moment
i think it's more that he's been in the same situation were he was left alone and was calling for his lost friends constantly.
it's kinda like speaking to himself in the mirror
It's not Kris, it's us the player
@@MrMiguel211 yeah, this commenter explained that
hhe might have given the option but.... yea.
Headcanons ain't logical that is the problem
Whenever Spamton NEO says “kid” to kris...
It reminds me Of Sans
His voice too for me
this fight was arguably as hard or harder than sans lol
Sans + Jevil = Spamton
@@Garox_Lovania oh shit
@@kometmadethis Idk, as long as you keep using the 25% tp attack skill and keep up on healing, it's much easier imo, sans took me like... 3 hours or so to beat the first time, and our friend Spamty here I got down to 33% on my like 7/8th try
It freaks me out how he seems much more sane in this route.
His sentences make a little more sense here, not as goofy and wacky like the normal path. You can actually understand what this guy is saying this time.
Everyone is sane compared to the player in this route
Maybe though, the player can understand him now because you've reached his level. Your just as violent as him meaning your quite literally speaking his language now.
@@kestrel7493 He's a piece of spammed adware, he's not some magical mage or anything.
Before it felt like he was more talking to himself than talking to Kris. Now, he’s talking to US, and he’s got something to say.
How the hell did I read that as "*sans*"
Spamton is a clear example that in good terms someone can be very good, or can be someone opportunistic.He does not care about the world, he is someone who fights for his definition of freedom, being one of the most complex characters Toby Fox has created (in my opinion)
I just realized something about snow grave , this is the only route where spamton dosent ask you to find the empty disk for him. Now why would that be ? Well simple because in snow grave there's nothing stopping him from doing it himself, Noelle froze most of the enemies , in other words any opposition to spamton sneaking into the castle and becoming neo by himself has been removed. Allowing him to take over without any opposition as you removed it.
off topic but this also means spamton did the teacups first try
@@questionmarkquestionmarkques Spamton is pro gamer
If you go to the basement, spamton doesn’t let you in and says he is changing
@Shadow Dream Swatch and the Swatchlings in the mansion weren't actually frozen by Noelle. Rouxls turned into a statue right in front of the cafe door, trapping them inside.
@@AbdullahKhan-el6xw he does?
By the way very interesting dialogue at the end.
It says and I quote:
"Kris called for help... but nobody came"
But what happens when we call noelle? It says:
"YOU whispered Noelle's name."
Not Kris, YOU.
OOOOOOOO, I didn't catch this. This is VERY important.
@@tangentofaj yah
Theres also the fact that kris has a save file that WE replaced using our names
THIS MAKES SO MUCH SENCEE, in the hospital scene she says it isn't them (Kris) anymore for some reason, it's a creepy voice, and kris can't hear noelle's thoughts, YOU can, that's why you answer for them.
Holy shit good eye
@@anothername2557 So in short terms... We are the bad guys uh? Damn, now i feel bad
"Didn't you know NEO is famous for its high defense?"
Not if Mettaton's the one wearing it.
in this weird parallel universe thing that deltarune is maybe the neo suit does have great defense
Not if it's done half assed
well it did have great defense its just that at that point your innate ability to harm was too high. 500 df cant stop 341487158718570185708 damage
This fight just makes me believe that Toby regrets not making Mettaton NEO a proper fight, even uses parts of Power of NEO, albeit distorted.
@@comfy88338 Eh, doubt it, having Sans RIGHT after an incredibly hard fight seems a bit too much.
During the final moments of the fight, all of Spamton's words seem more so directed at himself rather than Kris.
He's projecting his own failures.
Just finished this fight, and MAN, I hope the future chapters do a similar thing (regular optional fight for the normal route, hard version/only Kris if you take an alt route).
The player corrupting Kris's other classmates sounds interesting.
Hmm ok so since all classmates are in pairs(besides temmie). Maybe
Monster kid kills snowdrake
Jockington kills Catty's sister
Etc etc
Then the player fights the secret boss at the end of each route.
@Ｓｔｕｐｉｄ░Ｂｉｔｃｈ (代因ソ) or Noelle doesn't die
This fight is significantly harder because it's just you during the fight.
>Without Ralsei, you lack temporary shields to protect yourself.
>Without Susie, you don't have the option to charge your shots faster, which can get problematic
>Since it's just you, TP doesn't raise as quickly on average, which can be a problem if you have to rely on Fried Pipis due to running out of healing items.
>With all of the attacks concentrated on just you rather than being more distributed, you'll find yourself losing health must faster.
At least there is the high damaging X-Slash that makes up for the fact that only Kris can attack.
Yes, they somehow realized they're characters in a game, and no matter what they or us do, the ending never changes. An interesting fact is that during the last battle of the Weird Route, Spamton says this:
"YOU THINK MAKING [Frozen Chicken] WITH YOUR [Side Chick] IT'S GONNA LET YOU DRINK UP THAT [Sweet, Sweet][Freedom Sauce]? WELL YOU'RE [$!$!] RIGHT!"
I think Spamton is speaking directly to the player here. In order to feel free, we need to feel like our choices are capable of changing the course of the story, that's why we felt the urge to complete this route on the first place, but at the cost of totally messing up Noelle and Berdly, we neglected the way the game was supposed to be, we pushed the limits of it and threw away a happy ending just to feel free. I read a comment of someone saying that this route feels like an error, a glitch, like something that's not supposed to happen, and I believe they are on point on that.
This whole route feels like a creepypasta
@@heitorzincleiton5071 it really only needed to end with a blood eyes hyper realistic spamton threatening you at the credits or something
I feel like it's very significant that the game explicitly says Kris calls for help from Ralsei and Susie, but once Noelle's option appears it reads *You whispered Noelle's name.
Not Kris, but seemingly the player. Makes sense considering the whole route is essentially the player's choice.
Oh, good catch, didn't notice that
Imagine seeing everyone you care about die by your hands because someone controls your every move and the second you get the slightest magain of freedom, the one thing you do turns out to be completely pointless, because your uncontrolled actions drove your friends away
Just dropping this: After Bredly Last Fight, Noelle doesn't want to do ANYTHING of this. But, she will, not because she wants to be stronger, is because that damn ring (The ThornRing) is forcing her to do so. The rings has the side effect TRANCE, meaning that, well, Noelle, is being forced to do anything we want her to do, probably meaning that this alternate route will play a bigger rol in futures chapter (maybe even changing the ending, perhaps?...... oh, right, deltarune will just have "1....ending?...." right?)
I think the Trance passive is the effect that cuts TP use in half. Meanwhile, the real reason why Noelle listens to Genocide Kris no matter what is because... well, she's simply just a terrified little pushover. On Pacifist, she even says that she feels like Pacifist Kris is 'the only person she feels she can say "no" to.'
She's just an emotionally-vulnerable fawn. Genocide route exploits that.
@@Rhino1004 i get you, but no, the genocide route exploits Noelle UNTIL the berdly fight happens, after that, all the choices of Noelle are being controlled by us. Not because she can't say no to kris, is because she is forced to do it. as an example of this, after the first "phase" of Spamton Neo in the alternate route, when we call our friends, Kris calls both, Ralsei and Susie, but when we are calling Noelle, the game says YOU whispered Noelle for help. and, she doesn't even think twice and did the deal, killing Spamton in 1 hit.
Yes, Noelle is traumatized, but this doesn't influence her actions. it was not Kris who called for help, it was YOU, as the player, who called for help, and is YOU, who put the ThornsRing with the trance effect to make her do Snowgrave. she is being controlled now, by the player, not kris, by Us
@@Aleja_-bb7hi The main hole with this theory is that Noelle actively resists trying to cast SnowGrave, even with ThornRing equipped. After the player breaks through that last piece of resistance and kills Berdley, that primarily suggests that she's been deeply traumatized into a dependent relationship, rather than "oh look, the ring is working on her now."
Nah. Her submission is entirely because of the player abusing Noelle, from start to finish. Explaining everything as "magic did it!" is a lazy theory, anyways.
@@Rhino1004 i get your point. altought i think the ring has some fault in noelle's Actions. to me, it seems that she was trying to resist this control over her, but, in the end, because of how we abuse of her, she ended having 0 control of her actions, and now, she is our "Peon". maybe the ring didn't fully make her to obey us, but i think it was the last step, at least.
btw, ik that "magic did it" it's kinda lazy, but, it's deltarune. the fact that she is being forced to do it because of the ring may be true, or may be not. it's like the theory about gaster being the one behind Jevil and Spamton. it's lazy to not think anything more because, well, all the proofs we have points to gaster. but not because is "lazy", means that the theory may not be true. after all, some answers may be in front of our eyes, but we refuse to see it.
my point is, yeah, is lazy, but not because is lazy means that it cannot be true
especially since bredly never wakes up...
tips:
-during his "Face" attack, try taking out the mouth first. you can use the eye and nose projectiles to get more TP.
-in his first attack (the one with the blue faces), when there's two rows of heads, knock out only one row, you can use the other row to help gain TP for X-Slash
-Use [[BIG SHOT]] as much as possible
-during the post-fight Pipis section, stay in the middle and spam your regular attack
During the Berdley fight whenever Kris gets knocked down Berdley urges Noelle to rush to his side since he's down and it's safe but she hesitates because she "can still hear their voice". It would seem she can hear Kris/The Player's voice no matter where they are so during the part where she takes down Spamton, she comes at the simple mutter of her name
Take the part where Kris tries calling friends. With Ralsei and Susie, it says”Kris called for help.” But for Noelle it says”You whispered Noelle’s name.” YOU, as in, you the PLAYER. Kris isn’t the one commanding her, it’s YOU.
*Kris* called for [Ralsei's] help... but nobody came.
*Kris* called for [Susie's] help... but nobody came.
*You* whisper Noelle's name...
An interesting detail that not many people talk about is the text that appears on the bottom left of the screen during Spamton's specil NEO attack that says "🔴WRECK/SPEW". It's obviously a reference to Mettaton EX's Record and Reverse attack but what's interesting about it is that it only appears during the Pipis Route's version of the Spamton NEO fight. It's absent during the Regular Route Spamton NEO fight.
goes from a minor, optional, bizarre foe in the main game...to taking over the big bad spot after helping the player go down the dark side
The end of this fight is by far the creepiest part of the entire route to me.
You’re facing the most powerful combatant in this world: a hyper-aware lunatic with a nigh indestructible body and reality altering abilities. Yet here we are, silently beckoning forth the unwilling weapon that we had spent a good while grooming and sharpening. Suddenly, the air gets cold, everything goes dark, and our unstoppable opponent is wiped out in an instant.
We have the grim reaper itself on a leash. At our discretion, we can deliver to anyone a slow, cold, and painful death. And no one can stop it. It is inevitable.
Yes it is magnificent isn’t it😈
@@doughboy_m2 Shiver me timbers
I think queen with her giant robot is stronger than Spamton neo. I mean, yes Spamton can make his body pretty durable the fact that kris's attacks barely scratches him even if they were stronger compared to theirselves in the normal route. But queen has a building sized robot the fact that she would smash kris, susie and ralsei at once with her hand move even at her robot being in a broken state if they wouldn't transformed into another giant robot. And yes, we really made noelle a monster in this route, didn't we? We can even see how she dealed over 2k damage to spamton when kris was just deal 5 to 10 damage to him (with his towered defence)
And here's the real kicker: Noelle could kill you. Noelle could very easily kill you any time she wants. If she ever turned her power on you, you'd be obliterated in an instant. Yet she won't. Because for all her insane power, you've fooled her into believing she needs you. That you care about her. That all this is just to make her stronger.
If noelle was fighting neo spamton instead of kris it would take her 3 hits
fun fact: in any spamton fight, pressing F1 will heal your team once during battle
Is there an equivalent in the console version?
@@rurihime4965 or switch?
Yes, you simply press the console stick in and it registers as F1
@@rurihime4965 on ps4 you press down on one of the joycon sticks
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I LOVE how he describes himself not as an honest man, but an [HonestMan], implying that he's still not entirely scrupulous but he'll defy his programming and rebel against this monster.
Lol no Spamton literally sold the ring that enabled Noelle
Spamton is a bad guy too
@@Blapedred yeah Spamton is not the good guy here, and that's what makes this so fun as a final fight. It's what happens in every villain teamup: eventually they double cross each other
I'm sick of these comments making Spamton out to be the "hero" of Snowgrave, he literally sold you the ring knowing full well you'd use it for evil, this isn't Sans again.
@@googlymoogleson1418 i guess it's natural for the undertale/deltarune fandom to use any chance they get to paint the player as an absolute monster and unforgivable villain
God I still love how that an unstable sentient AD calls Kris a jackass for all the shit he's done in this route.
I'm sick of these comments making Spamton out to be the "hero" of Snowgrave, he literally sold you the ring knowing full well you'd use it for evil, this isn't Sans again.
@@googlymoogleson1418 I never said he was a hero. In fact I was saying that he was comparing himself to be less of a monster than Kris.
@@googlymoogleson1418 oh bug off
@@googlymoogleson1418 copium
5:17 At this point forward, I'm pretty sure Spamtom wasn't talking to Kris but to himself, or his past self at least
“Don’t you know NEO is know for its defense”
Well played Toby
A thing I just realized is that Spamton mentioned that he had 8k healthpoints once in the basement bossfight. Noelle's snow grave deals around 2k damage to him. Maybe he just gets stunned long enough for Kris to destroy the fountain.
He has been severely weakened by Kris, their HP is at 7%/8% before Noelle's attack
Mentions it when he only has 4,980 HP lol
after the fight ends you get puppetscarf aka spamton himself so he isn't frozen nor dead so we don't know what happened to him after noelle attacks him
That was a Yugioh reference, not literal.
actually, its just Iceshock cuz of the sfx that plays
[Total jackass stunts]
Dang, this dude is not wrong.
After first trying Spamton NEO original pacifist and then only dying once when trying to deplete his HP, I went for an itemless kill on the regular one both ACT and FIGHT. Wasn't that hard - less than 10 deaths overall. So I went into this version of the fight itemless from the start.
...over an hour of attempts leading to me having to go to bed for the night before I've beaten him later, I think I'm regretting that decision.
I encountered this guy first before the pacifist one, in fact, i haven't played the pacifist one yet
This one took me about an hour and in the last attack I survived with 4HP, is the pacifist fight that much easier?
In the basement, you get to face him with your whole team. His damage stays the same. This means one mistake causing you to get hit maybe 3 times in the snowgrave run will get you killed instantly, while in regular it'll likely just hit 3 different people and force you to use a Clubs Sandwich.
Oh yeah, and speaking of items...your choice of healing items is far better on regular - you can grab the teas for 120 heals or the Butler Wine for 100 heals, and you can use ReviveMints to get fallen characters back up at full health instantly. Compare that to Snowgrave, where the shops being shut means you could come in with one TopCake from Chapter 1, and otherwise your best healing items are the 80 HP CD Bagels. This means getting hit can lead to you losing tempo and getting stuck healing for several rounds in a row. Your available armors are also greatly diminished as well, though this means less as you only need to fill up 2 armor slots for Kris, and if you were careful and took the RoyalPin from Noelle before she left the team, that plus the Jevilstail from Chapter 1 makes your best armor items for the fight in terms of stats. Of course, the watch and the Pink Ribbon are also great, so you should consider those as well, but I'd say those existing makes the basement fight easier, as having them on only 1 party member will compromise your stats of 1 of your 3 characters while giving the full benefits to everyone in the team, while your equipment slots are a lot more precious when it's only you in the fight.
You also get access to the special magics Supercharge and FluffBarrier, the former making your next 20 charge shots charge almost instantly, and the latter giving you 2 spinning barriers that can block 1 bullet each.
The only saving grace is that Kris has increased attack power in this fight solo - but if you have the Ragger2 which makes Ralsei as strong as Kris as an attacker and Susie's autoaxe (or even the Devil's Knife from chapter 1) attacking will end up depleting Spamton's HP far faster with a full team, especially if you start taking into account having 3 people attacking generates TP far faster, letting you throw out many RudeBusters compared to the relatively low amount of Cross Slashes you'll get to use from natural TP generation for Kris solo. At least timing the swings for 1 character is easier than doing it for 3, I guess?
Other than that, your HP might be a factor - Kris has to have 158 HP minimum for the Snowgrave version of the fight, but will probably be at 160. If you went full pacifist, your team will have 120, 140, 100 as their HP values for the basement version of the fight. However, I'm not counting this, because you can freely FIGHT through the whole game and get to 160 180 140 HP on your team and fight him with that setup in the basement.
@@lefthandedscout9923 Nice! Seems like I had the lowest stats possible, 158 HP, shit armor (I was doing snowgrave blind run, yknow, for the story) No save file from Ch 1 and an average weapon
The way I beat him was applying Geometry Dash logic and firstly mechanizing every one of his attacks in order to do a no-hit run of sorts so I could focus on gaining TP
In my first turn I'd just use my TensionBit and onwards I'd use ONLY X-Slashes, if i didn't have enough TP for one I'd defend to have enough next turn
Even this way I didn't guarantee victory since there were attacks later down the fight I hadn't mechanized
Eventually I learned which attacks were coming before I ended my turn, there's a clear pattern if you attack every turn, so if I knew an attack that I couldn't survive was coming, I'd defend to take less damage
Even then I wasted the least amount of turns doing anything that isn't an X-Slash, so by the end of the fight my inventory still had plenty of CD Bagels since I just used them at the last stretch to survive the attacks I didn't learn
I came up with this on the spot and... Yeah, it worked, took me less than an hour, was super satisfying to pull off
@@lefthandedscout9923 Update: I just fought pacifist Spamton NEO, it took one try
WAY EASIER was the answer
@@GDNashit he is not so hard in the snowgrave route because the pipis magic you have with kris when you're solo. for me it was almost a full healt. So i abuse that and beat him (also you can press f1 to get 80 healt). also doesn't help that i had experience because i did the pacifist one first so i knew the bullet pattern
For Suzie and Ralsei : Kris called for help... but nobody came.
For Noelle : YOU whispered Noelle's name.
So another argument about that weird voice being the player's one.
Weird that Spamton can be either the Jevil or the Sans of Ch2
It is weird. But it's cool too.
I don't see how he's the Sans but okay
@@mathieul4303 he is preventing you from reaching the end right? Just like sans
@@idesxtop its more like he's punishing us for being scumbags
One thing that I find terrifying about Spamton is when the telephone starts firing at him, which reminds me of that weird clay figure looking Nerd that was with the amalgamates and had a spray painted picture in the alleyway with Alphys. Those butterflies that engulf that creature haunt me. It just reminds me of insanity, a mind ripped into screams.
A mind that barely holds on to anything.
"Hey, Is It Cold In Here, Or Is It Just Me-"
*You Take 2088 Damage And Fucking Die.*
2:39 Damn the charged shots and hit check really match up the rhythm of the music
_hol up_
Spamton neo on normal route: this seems easy, look I beat it on my first try
Spamton neo on genocide route: WTF how am I supposed to beat this
Sans.
i died to normal spamton three times but did the snowgrave spamton in my first try so
@@abokabsaSo your incompetent
@@herrforesight-Satanisking i was, i fought snowgrave spamton after normale route neo spamton by a while.
I like how in this route, Spamton made the player grovel for help and the "nobody came" message made the player feel like the consequences caught up to us, and what's gonna happen now? Something that in Undertale Geno route you wouldn't even think about a possibility like that.
I like that it took 6 years for us to be able to (effectively) fight Mettaton NEO in an actual, non fan game boss fight in a Genocide Route
fuck off mettaton neo has unused attacks y'know lol
I didn't realise the screaming for help and broken home was about his own experience about the phone stopping talking before I read the shopkeepers dialogue.
To think that Jevil could've also done this
But thing is we're the ones trapped and he cannot reach to us without the door being opened
Wait, what if you open the door but never fight him
once you open the door you are forced in if you refuse he says its too late now and you come in
@@thepugk1ng Damn, missed a bullet there
I always wondered what happened to Jevil in Chapter 2 if you never fought him
@@G4vinius he just dies.
I mean you never truly kill him so, in all outcomes, he either dies or... Is somewhere in the Ralsei world.
I opened the door once, and leave it open. Nothing happens.
I really love how it says "YOU whispered Noelle's name's...", heading towards YOU, the ONE that made Kris goes the Snowgrave route. YOU are the one who did all of the bad things, from corrupting people to do stuff for you, to actually freeze-killing Berdly with Snowgrave. It's because YOU, not Kris himself.
This just shows how dedicated Toby is.
and i loved every minute of it =)
Im excited to see if in chapter 6 or 7 all of the secret hidden bosses team up and if you beat them all before then some alternate ending opens up or something, would be very cool for the people who like to find secrets
Those 6 & 7 would have to be hidden like Fire Emblem secret chapters considering Toby only announced up to 5.
@@Awoken_YKW_Fan9001 The chapter select in the new demo shows 7
@@Cloveinti_Uno59232 Huh, guess Toby changed his mind. Neat!
Yeah...
i didn't beat Spantom in my playtrought so i guess i'll do the chapter 2 again for the ShadowCrystal, that thing seems important
I think spamton is just straight up dead on this route
Say [Soup], say what [Noun] ???!
What a [heaven] ly D34L !1!1!
The way that the screen doesn’t turn back after turning black and spamton being frozen, and the heart just floats up and seals the fountain with no music genuinely gives me chills.
Noelle must be really powerful cause even I got chills with that ending
IceShock and Snowgrave ignored DEFENSE. It involves the MAGIC stat.
“…BUT IN A [1 for 1] BATTLE, NEO NEVER LOSES!!!”
Mettaton: (in the distance) ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT!
Everyone: This is the hardest fight! There’s no way to do no-hit.
Kippy: Skill issue :/
Jevil harder
Incorrect. This can be no-hitted because it has same attacks. Only hardest fight in the chapter since you're alone.
@@hypinator5199 Both Jevil and Spamton are easier than Sans, so you cant even say that. LOL
Somebody did a No Hit without X-Slash.
@@nat3sans what are you talking about?
WOW VERY [BIG SHOT] OF YOU TO TAKE ON SUCH A [DARING ADVENTURE]
"Kris called for help... But nobody came"
"You whispered noelles name"
Algo que me encanta de esta pelea, es que a diferencia de undyne o sans, este no es un héroe que pelea contra ti (el villano) sino que es una pelea para ver cual villano cumple sus planes y cuál no, el que quiere esclavizar a toda una ciudad o el que quiere matarl0s a todos
Sans en realidad es un antihéroe, por eso se rinde cuando lo matas, el intenta matarte hasta que te frustres y reinicies, puesto que es la única manera de volver todo a la normalidad, y da igual cuanto te mate, puesto que la determinación de Chara te hará luchar contra el hasta que ganes.
I actually like this "back to roots" thing with harder bosses in genocide/evil/dark runs like with sans or Undyne the Undying.
Would be cool if it was also part of the chapter one where Jevil comes to rescue his king cuz he is royal jester.
2:55 a man of the PIPIS? But where's all the PIPIS??
Ah, oh yeahhhhh. In the PIPIS room.
Wait is this real? I have only done the pacifist version, but I thought you defeat him in the genocide version in the basement the same
Yes it is
There's 3 ways to fight him.
2 in the basement where you can cut his strings or dzpletes his hp.
And 1 at the fontain if you did a "genocide" with Noelle
It can be the same but the main thing is that once Noelle joins you you should go back to the trash zone and interact with spamton's door. this video is much better at explaining, czcams.com/video/rIFzcrDr5Fs/video.html
Snowgrave route
there are basically three routes in this game: spare all the enemies, fight the enemies or go through a more complicated series of decisiosn that leads to noelle murdering berdley and Queen being overthrown as Spamton takes over the cyber world
I was actually confused to see Spamton's desperation move at first, I had Kris equipped with a the Iron Shakle and was dealing high damage to him, so I ended up lowering him enough before he could ever get a chance to use it. I never fought Neo in a normal route and did the Snowgrave route first, didn't even know you could fight him with Ralsei and Susie.
It's pretty easy to bypass his desperation move in a snowgrave run as it's only performed at a certain HP threshold (like 20% or lower I think) ; one that X-Slash or even a properly timed normal attack can get through. Not to mention that Spamton's defense is literally -27 in snowgrave.
This is how I found out about spamton neo. No yellow heart tutorial, no spoilers, no warning. Needless to say, I was horrified
I noticed a very... interesting detail during the post-fight sequence. When you call for help from Ralsei, the in-game text says "Kris called for help." However, when you call on Noelle, the in-game text now reads "You whispered Noelle's name."
Emphasis on "You"
this makes me think that noelle will have a role in chapter 3 genocide.
if we, as the SOUL controlling kris can whisper noelle's name and have them run towards us, it's very possible that we managed to get in her head, and can effectively turn them into a puppet.
we know that her genocidal tendencies didnt dissapear when she left the dark world cause she tries using iceshock on the ice palace if you visit her in the snowgrave route at the hospital.
combine that with us as the players talking to her (from us giving a response to her thinking to herself) you have a pretty good chance she'll make a return eventually.
they wouldnt build all that up just for it to end, after all
side note, susie and ralsei also get stronger when killing so it's possible they too could turn to liking it.
Seven chapters.
Seven SOULs.
Ch1 - Determination.
Ch2 - Justice.
Ch3+ - ???
Just realised this, so i thought I'd post.
Ch3: Kindness
Shadow Mantle Shield
I still like how when you choose to call out the names it says kris called out for help but nobody came
until
You whispered Noelle’s name
It wasn’t kris and I really like that
_Spamton should’ve upgraded his SP DEF instead of his regular DEF at the end_
So, I read something about the snow grave route and it talks about how there are 6 children in the class (excluding Kris and Susie) and how there are 7 chapters in Deltarune. 1st chapter, nothing happens, 2nd chapter, snowgrave route basically kills Berdly, leaving 5 children, and 5 chapters remaining. We all know where the snowgrave route is going.
*Oh no*
Class genocide route
Noelle was in the class too...
*I feel like I know who is our next target*
1:52 Spamton NEO breaks the 4th wall
"Go ahead and scream into the receiver. The voice runs out eventually. Your voice. Their voice. Until you realize you're all alone" Toby did not fuck around here
Gotta love the indication of who's really in control with "Kris called for help" Vs. "You whispered Noelle's name."
Bueno entonses al pareser el control real lo tiene mayor mente el jugador
The funny thing is noelle probably isn’t the only one suffering in this whole snowgrave thing. It’s also kris. I feel it might be equally or more painful than noelle because they have to watch as they make noelle do horrible things and being able to do nothing about it, just watch as seemingly they use noelle to commit awful atrocities.
Great play! Thanks for uploading!
I love how this has some sounds of boss fights and other music in undertale and maybe some deltarune (ex: undyne in genocide I think, napstablook, jevil, probably more) and at some points has mechanics like mettatons fight
Nice work on seemingly being the first to upload these no-hits, I was a bit slow to uploading my own and I haven't even begun the genocide route, your dedication is excellent and it seems to have paid off, I assume the last one you're going for is no x-slash right?
Don't you find it weird that, right after he says that at 6:24, he looks at the screen?
Witnessing such an awesome fight.
You're filled with [Hyperlink Blocked].
*Kris called for help... But nobody came
*Kris called for help... But nobody came
*YOU whispered Noelle's name
i love that at 2:39 the shots line up with the music
Spamton's head idle reminds me of that face in Omega Flowey's screen whenever he gets hit
It's possible to skip his final attack at 4:25 if you finish him off with X-Slash when his health is just low enough. I did it by accident.
same lol
@@xtdycxtfuv9353 #TeamBIGSHOTDeniers
Nice
The Final Attack is very easy anyway but it's cool to prevent it from happening
Bro only Toby can make a joke character like Spamton into this whole different beast that was the bringer of justice in the genocide run.
Okay so the bringer of justice part was a bit stupid, it's just a dude trying to make it so YOU don't mess up HIS reign. It's a 1:1 relationship honestly, both of you see the other as an obstacle.
I would not exactly call him a bringer of justice. He also to some degree manipulated you into bringing destruction by granting you access to the Thorn ring. This, however, still is in character for Spamton, as he still is a big shot, and is relying on your killing spree in order to raise in power. Of course, his gambling did not pay off at the end as Noelle just turned him into frozen spam.
I'm sick of these comments making Spamton out to be the "hero" of Snowgrave, he literally sold you the ring knowing full well you'd use it for evil, this isn't Sans again.
@@googlymoogleson1418 Yeah, I made this post before knowing a little more about Snowgrave and Spamton NEO as a whole, he doesn't see you as an enemy more so an obstacle of his own, like how he is to you. It's a balanced viewpoint imo, just different motives.
You know, his main goal was try to prevent againist seal of fountain. He really doesn't care about what you did the other characters. He didn't tried to be hero.
@@isimyok960 Yeah, I kind of found out about that, sorry!