Does Mumbai produce the best batsmen? Who is better; Tendulkar or Gavaskar? | Cricket in Mumbai Ep2
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In episode 2, Nasser Hussain looks at what sets Mumbai batsmen apart from their peers, discovering the history of batting in the city, and asks a big question - who is greater batsman, Sachin Tendulkar or Sunil Gavaskar?
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No Orange filters were used in the making of this video. The entire program was filmed at an undisclosed location on Mars.
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@Saif Ullah Khan,
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Gavaskar is way too modest IMO. An average of 65, with 13 centuries and 3 double centuries against the mighty West Indies in their prime while all the other batsmen could barely manage an average of 30. And all this without wearing a helmet!
Graham Gooch scored and had better avg than gavaskar against wi .
@@sirlordhenrymortimer6620 No he did not, he averaged in higher 40s against WI and he has about 7 hundred against WI.
Gavaskar faced the fearsome quartet in only one series. Rest of the them were against a weak or depleted wi attack.
It's a myth that he played the WI quartet well in their prime. They just played one series in 1976.
@@nightwatchman7482 Depleted WI attack? 80s attack was not any less than the 70s attack look at the stats. Also scoring 700+ in your debut series as opener facing the best attack in the world has no comparison. I am not saying he is the best ,, but you underrate him at your own peril
It’s so orange this could be Nagpur instead of Mumbai...
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if this would have been green then will it be kerala
Tendulkar perfectly explained batsmanship : Try to hit the ball and find a boundary. If you face a better ball , punch it and get runs . If the face a better ball , rotate the strike . If you face a really really good bowl , block it or let it go !
Simple and elegant while being brutally efficient - Sachin Tendulkar , the most complete batsman to grace the game .
The perfect test batting philosophy. Works in all conditions, all bowlers. If you could program a test batsman, this would be the base algorithm.
Ponting said the same in a masterclass. 4 3 2 1 dot, in that order
Neutral perspective, no arrogance in mind. Complete clarity.
with all due respect to Sachin....Brian lara is a better batsman
@@ab-bi7qq Personal choice. Many rate Sachin ahead of Brian.
In tests Gavaskar, opening bat, no helmet, horrendous umpiring, horrible wickets and fantastic bowlers
What makes Gavaskar great is the fact that he has a lot of humility. He feels no embarrassment in acknowledging that he is second best. We are talking about a guy who was first to reach 10000 runs, 34 centuries. When bowlers were not controlled with pro-batsmen rules. See, old timers always will select Gavaskar as that man did. But he named Sachin. Great guy.
As a Kannadiga myself, I agree to your points.
He is NOT second best.
You cannot compare players from different generations.
I think the greatest learning from Tendulkar is not about his batting exploits.
One could always rightfully argue about a Ponting/Smith/Lara/Kallis/Dravid/Bradman etc for being better or having a greater impact.
What startles me is how he carried himself with every bit of money power and fame that came his way.
He is like A Federer. There may be a djokovic but federer is really reverred.
Sachin transcends cricket. He was literally treated God and yet he remains grounded. He didn't let it get in his hand.
And that's the learning which a Sachin can give to even a CEO of a top MNC.
That to me is his biggest legacy. Keep the feet grounded.
couldn't agree more..aptly put !
Aptly put he may be or may not be the greatest to dawn the game but he is surely greatest ambassador of the game, people start to watch the game because of him, foreign countries starts to recognize and came to watch him bat like people came to watch Roger Fed play tennis. Similar fir Michel Jordon in basketball.
There will be better player than them but the way they carried themselves in and out of the field and remained composed through all ups and downs and remain humble while at the pinnacle of respective game and at a times there was no one close to them still they were respective to the game never saw themselves bigger than it although at a times they were more popular and draw fir sports itself, tells their greatness.
Nadal and Federer
He was the greatest in game. Your Ponting/Smith/Lara/Kallis/Dravid/Bradman existed and only Bradman came close in challenging Tendulkar but Sachin will remain greatest, will wait for Kohli's career to end
If I had to choose 3 greatest batsmen of the all time, I would go with 1. Viv Richards, 2. Sachin Tendulkar, 3. Ricky Ponting. These 3 batsmen have not choked if you check their separate wc final/sf/qf stats. Other batsmen have choked somewhere, i.e. Kohli choked on ODI tournaments finals with avg of 26, AB choked on T20I SFs with 5.50 avg and 85 SR, Sanga choked on T20I SFs with 9 avg and 92 SR.
I'm a west Indian. Sunil was the greatest ever Indian batsman.
Hand down.
Sunil gavaskar did not have the ball striking ability of sachin tendulkar.
If ipl had come in mid 90s ,sachin would hav earned 3 to 5m usd and cricket websites would hav crashed and social media would be on fire.
Sunny was a colossus.
Sachin was equally incredible.
They're radiant suns of two different galaxies. Both, great.
@Jordan Reynolds Being a great batsman is being able to play in any situation. Sachin and Sunil are comparable in Tests but ODI's Sachin is arguably the greatest ever batsman
@@sreddi83 Agreed. The only ODI batsman who can be equalled to God is the Master Blaster, idol of God, the one and only SIR VIV RICHARDS.
Actually he called up in 2007, motivating Tendulkar to continue playing, as he was well set to retire. We got to see a different Tendulkar. So, we must be thankful to SIR VIV. Not only entertainment, he gave us Tendulkar who scored HUGE runs and FINALLY won the World Cup, where he was India's highest run scorer.
He was the best indian test batsman for sure
Wow Gavaskar is so so humble in the interview which he really shouldn't be, he is an icon & his records speak for himself
Since he is an Icon, a master of his craft a craft which millions got inspired from, a legend of all times and with a record which speaks or rather shouts for itself, and that's why he is humble. He doesn't need to be aggressive in his demeanor! Although he also has got an art of giving it back whenever it seems necessary!
For a kid born in 80's & only followed the game since late 80's, I could simply say that Sachin was not just a cricketer, Sachin was a household name in every home.. as if he was one our own.. When I was in school, there was not a single day when someone didn't tell me "Look at that guy 'Sachin Tendulkar', he is only 8 years elder to you.." and I used to feel why this guy had to do such extraordinary things when I'm growing up.. But trust me, when Sachin used to get out every heart in our family used to break including mine... Lots of love 💓 Sachin.. God, bring back the 90's..
Let me get my anti-orange glass.
Nasser really knows how to interview cricketers. A good player. A great Captain. And a brilliant Interviewer and Commentator. Love to hear him talk about cricket along with other Pundits.
A true eye opener. Explains much . Also explains a little ,the greatness of Mumbai cricket .
But also the influence of Mumbai cricketers
It's more about the political clout of Mumbai. The centre of power since mid of 2010s has completely moved out
@starlord the best guardian Rahane is from mumbai shikhar from delhi
@@neelpatel5853 yes👍
For those who don't know Nasser's dad was from India and a cricket coach in Ilford, Essex. Raza Jawad 'Joe' Hussain ran Ilford cricket school and was a tough trainer but always fair. My fondest memory is Joe thinking I was good enough to try out for the Ilford team, even though I rarely got to play in my school team. Ilford were the best side in the local area because they were full of cricket mad Indian and Pakistani kids. I didn't mind waking up on Saturday morning and do 2h of nets with him. Nasser's mum was my primary school teacher and she was lovely.
I'm not surprised Nasser was such a good cricketer with Joe behind him. I occasionally saw Nasser on Saturday morning in the nets with his dad.
Dont forget Ajit wadekar, Amol majumdar, Wasim jaffar and Rohit Sharma
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@@mbangroo what lol . Do you know these players . Amol majumdar search Kar ke Dekho , uske stats Dekho .
@Pawan Kumar yes but were great cricketers from Mumbai
Not in the league of vijay ji , Dilip ji , Sunil ji or Sachin
I am not lucky enough to be born in Mumbai but mark my words I will change my fortune from vadodara and play for india💪💪
Keep spirit up🙌
@@logan1846 Thanks brother
Best wishes..
@@anushvernekar263 u don't deserve to be on Mumbai then 😅
Lmao😂😂😂
Karnataka produces Class:
Rahul Dravid
Anil Kumble
G.R.Vishwanath
Javagal Srinath
Venkatesh Prasad
Syed Kirmani
K.L.Rahul
I'm sure I am missing out few more.
A mix of players from all around the country makes our Indian team that much special.
Darshan Kadaiah absolutely. Karnataka has produced a lot of great players over the years. If we look at the history of Indian cricket, most of the players have come from 3 places - Maharashtra (specifically Mumbai), Karnataka (mostly Bangalore) and Delhi. Other parts have of course produced players but these 3 states/cities have produced an assembly line of them. Only in past 15 years is this changing now.
@Anomouys m That's distributed across 3 first class teams however. Saurashtra and Baroda are the prominent ones who have given some players to the Indian team in recent years.
why not just appreciate batsman produced from Mumbai, instead of putting a devise comment about which state produces what! Darshan!
North india...kohli sabka baap akela hi..dilli ka raja
dhiraj gurkhe Hi Dhiraj, if you read my
Comment, you’ll see it was basically a reply to ppl who kept saying Delhi is better and I said in the end the mix from every part of this country makes us special!
Although I’ve never met you, I feel like we have argued for a long time about cricket haha!
Edit : Dravid is from aamchi Mumbai!
Sachin is Best IMO.
Flawless technique, God gifted talent and used that talent perfectly.
brian lara had a better technique....he is the only batsman par with or i believe better than Sachin
@@ab-bi7qq Brian himself reckoned Sachin much better than him though.
@@ab-bi7qq Lara had jumpy technique. Real pace and real bounce he struggled. Best however against medium pace and spin.
But bradman was a freak
@@ab-bi7qq Statistics speaks of itself
Gavaskar is a feeling, Tendulkar is an emotion
10:30 such a modesty by Sunil sir
There cannot be comparison in both.
One more good documentary by Nasser Hussain
gavaskar played at my home ground and my mum took me when i was a child in australia
Mumbai certainly produces batsmen who play for the eyes, that is to say elegant, beautiful and technically sound stroke plays. Rohit and Rahane are taking the mantle forward. Dravid and Yuvraj are other players (not from Mumbai cricket) who have had elegant stroke plays. Dhoni, Sehwag and others have been effective and impactful players without doubt, but have they been beautiful to observe, I don't think so.
u didnt include kohli.
kratos yes I think the next cricket City has to be Hyderabad which produces classics stroke players. Prithvi Shaw from Mumbai is another gem.
Its a New Day oh yes Kohli too. Prithvi Shaw is another Mumbai player to look forward to.
@@sharmapratyush007 is Kohli from Mumbai or Delhi?
@@itsanewday5219 kohli is way above all
Wish my Orange was this ORANGE in color
Good one
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I am from chennai,but I Dont think there is any bias towards mumbai cricketers,mumbai produces amazing cricketers each year and it is an amazing place for anyone who wants to become a cricketer,the same is ot the case in chennai,there is no place like shivaji park or something like that in chennai.
Shivaji park is to cricket what the slums of rio is to football or the streets of paris is to football as well! Pure mecca of cricket
Even green trees are looking orange shade.. 😅😅
It's Teal nd orange colour grading
That's how British likes to see use ... Dusty
Vinod kambli underated talent
Overrated. Not anyone else's fault if he didn't have the right attitude.
One thing that is so pure about ind cricket is the respect that gavaskar and sachin had for each other. And now with kohli and sachin. Not pulling anyone from the previous or current era down. The legacy of indian batting shall continue forever!!
Nasser Hussain is doing an absolute fabulous job. Loving this series!
Mr. Nasser Hussain, a beautiful series, this one is turning out to be. Watched the first one, now this one. Wonderful, classy, introspective, through. Carry on.
I personally feel that we can't compare generations in cricket. Sachin is and will always be the best player to ever grace the game at least that's what I feel but again how can we compare him with Mr Gavaskar who played some deadly bowlers in the Carribbean and not only that but also with out protective gears
90s era had more dangerous bowlers than 70s or 80s because in 90s era all teams had legendary fast bowlers whereas in 70s and 80s only westindies and Australia had great bowlers and to remined there was no south Africa in 70s and 80s
Delhi courageous players
Karnataka technically
Maharashtra all round players..
Hyderabad wristy
at least one person told best !!
@@ramcfd thanks
Aptly said ..@Ashwani Rana
what about Gujarat ?? - calm and cool
Brilliant interview Nasser
Great to see Nasser Hussain after a while, what a fine batsman you were, loved to see your off side play.
Gavaskar was the original master from Bombay, Followed by Tendulkar in my humble opinion.
Ajinkya Rahane should've been interviewed for this too. Top tier talent who didn't get enough chances.
Might be not available at time of shooting
Didn't get enough chances? He is the luckiest player in indian team. Scores once in and saves his place for next 10 games
@@prafful_sahu he offers leadership and security on the field. Not everyone has those traits. Players connect with him as if he was an elder brother.
Lol England tour 2021 people said Ajinkya Rahane should be dumped just after poor performance two tests.
But still BCCI give chance till 4th test. And you know what his score in 4th innings, test4 is : DUCK.
Total 109 runs ,7 innings.
I am sure he will get chance again in 5th test. Could be "Mumbai reservation".
Kambli is the best example of wasted talent.
People shouldn't be dropped for their personal choices. His stats for india are great. Selectors messed up. Fortunately wouldn't happen now.
Kambli looks and speaks like Dennis Rodman lite at this point.
@@starlord3212 he wasn't dropped for any personal reason, he was completely out of form, so dropping him was correct, he should have been rectify himself and perform in domestic cricket to get back in the side.
@@starlord3212 He was never consistent. After Ganguly, Dravid, and Laxman emerged there was simply no space for someone who didn't perform consistently. He kept getting chances, right up until the 2000 Champions Trophy, where Ganguly and a young Yuvraj Singh bested him.
@@WSTRNS everyone goes through that. He should've been given another opportunity. Considering players with far worse performances keep getting opportunities nowadays.
Great Documentary for great cricketers, love from Pakistan.
it's funny to see Naseer and Ravi sharing the room and not killing each other.
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Ravi treats the situation, not the person, unlike the British colonials who have stereotypes
Just bcz both had past doesn't mean to insult they're both genuine good person stop bullshit
@@skeletor6920 you are bullshit. I am saying genuine things. You don't know me at all still you started abusing me. Imagine them having a fight and still standing in the same room.
With all due respect to Gavaskar
Considering all factors of becoming a great batsman.
Sachin is overall the most complete batsman ever born.
I mean conclusively.
TRUE: when considering both TEST and ODI...Sachin......sachin WC runs itself is great example how great player he is and his ability score runs in any ground and against any opposition.
Appearing in six World Cup seasons, Sachin Tendulkar had amassed 2278 runs with a staggering average of about 57 and handsome strike-rate of more than 88. He had been the top run-scorer for his team in three World Cup editions - 1996, 2003 and 2011
Even the English grounds are shown orange in this video😂😂😂
Typical colonial mindset showing India as dry and drought hit slums
Nasser is a great interviewer. He asks pertinent questions and then lets people answer!
Thank you so much for that lovely Sachin interview! :)
Imagine Harsha Bhogle with one of his TV programmes in Lords Cricket Ground in a pair of Shorts. Outrageous it would have been. And here is Naseer walking casually .. Unenlightened people..
Naseer,
Your humble approach makes it so good to watch
Sky sports England cricket coverage is second ti none. Always give great insight into various interesting characters/topics of the game
Karnataka also produced batting gems like G.R vishwanath and Rahul Dravid.
K.L.Rahul is one in making...
Now he has been unmade.
How beautiful is this! Wow😍
Mumbai training is like Leeds training. Play with respect to the ball.
Gavaskar is a great man,he knows his weaknesses and he acknowledges that Sachin was better than him.. I have watched Cricket my whole life,seen every batsmen of the last 20 years and I can safely say that Sachin and Lara are the greatest.. Left and right handed!!
Sunil gavaskar is the best player of fast bowling I've ever seen, he played the fearsome west indies quicks with distinction, also no helmets
I just looked outside my window. It isn't orange here. 🤔
Damnn 😂😂😂😂
Good one
Ha ha ha...
2000nds were the best year every single player were in form
Kambli would have been legend like tendulkar. He was like lara.
such humble and honest sunil is... saying sachin was better(indirectly) ... very rare to find it today
Naseer is so ashamed of calling europeans instead of british
And the irony is he himself is not a British 🤣
@@subratkumarparida8165 Born in Madras to an Indian father and English mother. I think he only played cricket in England though because he was only a school child when his family came back to England.
@@subratkumarparida8165 he is though
Rohit Sharma, Ajinkya Rahane, Suryakumar Yadav, Shreyas Iyer, Prithvi Shaw.... The legacy continues...
Mumbai batsmen are of beauty and humility. Great to see young SHAW
The production quality of sky sports is top notch...👌👌
Very nice interview
Nasser is a great interviewer as well as a commentator.
Its nice interviews by Nassir Hussein
excellant piece on two quite extradionary batsmen
Vinod kambli you were Indiscipline.... That was the difference between you and Tendulkar
wow...ty fo video
Gavaskar was an opening batsman in the days of test cricket. He had to fight a lone battle at times, and he had to stay at the wicket first, against pace attack. He was defensive, yes, but his cricket had a unique style. He was cool, composed, determined, patient, focused, and enduring. He is a man of test cricket. Scoring a century and a double century in the 1st and 2nd innings was no mean trick. Individual abilities differ. It should. That's the uniqueness. But, like history is ripe with warriors and empires that last only for some time, so are games. The mind energy acts through different eras and ages and decades through different players. That is all. What matters is that weather, we love to learn, watch, and enjoy their plays.
Sunil Gavaskar sir and Sachin Sir such down to earth people. 👏👏
I was so engrossed in the video and found it so very interesting.. that I didn't notice the orange filter or the bgm... till I read the comments..
Btw.. . I like the orange color and the Bollywood tune in the video.. 🤷♂️
Respect for all legends.
Great job naasir bhai...🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳🇮🇳
Nassir sir good back ground music
As a Kannadiga myself, I opine that Bengaluru should be given its due credit. There should be another cricket video on Bengaluru and Karnataka Cricket association.
Not enough cricket to cover there.
U must be joking...only Bangalore gave ua is the Rahul driving.....absolutely great guy...no one can catch up with Rahul from Bangalore in the greatness of cricket .I always wanted him to be maharashtrian...his mother and wife r Marathi so.......
Why do English channels have to put some Bollywood track in every Indian video just to give an Indian feel to it. And a song which doesn't even go with the video.
Same reason Indian channels do too. It’s easy and cheap.
I thought it went well.. kaliyon ka chaman .. somehow reminds me of cricket.. now don't ask why.. 🤪
Back in the day during 2003 World Cup India vs England match, they showed in the English Sky Sports feed the super shots or something to the beat of kaliyon ka chaman remix which was fairly new then. Still remember Rahul Dravid's six off James Anderson to that song.
Mumbai has a legacy of its Own..... Nobody can match upto the elegance of Sunil Gavaskar...The Greatest batsman...
Well conducted by naseer hussain
Wonderful players Sunny & Sachin 👍
Just love it❤️
8:16 my bro became an inspiration for the great prithwi shaw
It is very tough to compare players across generations. I do disagree with the notion that Sachin played in a side with great batsmen. Post 2001 he did, but half of his career was in the 90's when he was largely the lone wolf, especially in overseas conditions. Also, if Gavaskar faced off brilliantly against the mighty WI, Sachin had a fantastic record against the Australians. I think it boils down to Sachin having a more all round game for different formats. Which is again not a fair comparison because Gavaskar grew up in an era where ODI cricket did not exist.
Gavaskar arguably might be the best test batsman of india. A toss up between Dravid and Sachin to be the 2nd best.
India produces top class Limited overs batsmen but I feel India needs a Truly great dominating TEST batsmen Like a Lara(better than Sachin and dravid) or a Smith(better than kohli).
Nice bro. True Brian lara is the greatest test batsmen i have seen
Viv dominated both test and odi forms ,whereas lara strike rate is lower than viv in odis
Lara great test batter with world records ,but good odi player.
Viv was better allformat batter.
@@venkatakrishnan9102 No doubt Viv was legendary player. But Lara was no less. Lara was the only second batsmen after Viv to Reach 900 ratings points in both test and odi. Lara was top ranked Odi player for most of 90s. But in terms of flair,class and flamboyance Lara has no match. U can watch lara bat all day.
@@Raj0520
But lara has a odi strike rate , which is lower than sachin and viv .
Why?
@@venkatakrishnan9102 Sachin has a higher SR than lara in odis just because he batted as a opener in his career. All the openers tend to have a high strike rate cause they bat in the powerplay. It's easier to bat as a opener in odis than a middle/low order unlike tests. It's a very dumb question.
Compare the strike rate in tests cause both batted in similar position. Lara has much better rate even though he was in a weaker team and had more pressure unlike Sachin who had many great batsmen to help who saved the team.
Vinod kambli really great and I love his attitude
Sounds crazy, but was true! To get in Mumbai side as a baller was easier than getting in as a batsman & 2020 it's still true!
0:27
When he says Europeans and not Britishers 😅
Modi forced naseer to put Bhagwa" orange" color 😂😂
Sunil said it all, excellent sportsmanship, Sachin forever❤️❤️❤️
In Test matches, Sh. Gavaskar, opening without helmet against the Windies, Pak, Aussie greats and scoring tonnes of runs, is my pick .
Ultimate anchoring by Nasser
Mumbai cricket is love
If they had let cricketers from other cities / states play - I am sure there would have haven been equally / better talented players as well, its a shame not many really good players from South are not allowed anywhere near the Indian cricket team! Even today, this seems to be the case... there are only a handful who have somehow made it, not sure if this is ever going to change!
what a lovely program
Don't use orange filter ...interview is great ...5 star
If we talk about technique and attitude sachin was the best He respected his game very much but if we talk aboult talent there is no cricketer better than Brian Lara and sir viv richard. At the time of Sir viv no bowler used to bowl him a bouncer while he didn't wear any helmet at all in his career. But sachin was so successful because of his attitude towards the game
Sachin had outrageous talent than Brian Lara .
Bradman rated three players highly in his lifetime.
1.Gary Sobers
2.Graeme Pollock
3. Sachin Tendulkar.
I was lucky to see the third.
Tendulkar is the top of the mountain everyone is compared to him
That's why mumbai dominates cricket everywhere 🔥🔥❤️
It used to be but not now and players like Virat Kohli is certainly not from Mumbai and now Delhi players and North India dominate this era and they have that passion to win big games and they are aggressive as well. Players like Gautam Gambhir, Virendar Sehwag, Virat Kohli, Shikhar Dhawan, Yuvraj Singh, Mohammed Kaif, Suresh Raina etc are all from that part. Something on them which sets them apart
1. Gavaskar
2. Sehwag
3. Viv Richards
4. Tendulkar
5. Crowe (c)
6. Rod Marsh (wk)
7. Gary Sobers
8. Richard Hadlee
9. Wasim Akram
10. Marshall
11. Lance Gibbs
12th man: Jeff dujon
Have you ever listened to the names of the batsmen coming from the North and The East ? They are the match winners for India for them We have had the ICC trophies ♥️ 1983 2002 2007 2011 2013 we were so close in 2000 as well as 2003..
Rightly pointed....
Who?
@@sauron2000000 Kapil Dev, Mahender Amarnath, Yashpal Sharma Kirti Azad, Madan Lal (most among them were all-rounders who had very good batting ability due to which we were able to lift the 1983 world cup), And here are the names of the batsman in chronological order who have contributed a lot to the indian cricket and played vital roles in not only taking the major trophies in world cricket but also taken the Indian Cricket team to the spot of one of the top ranked team in Test, ODI and T20 cricket......Sourav Ganguly, Virender Sehwag, Mohammad Kaif, Yuvraj Singh, Dinesh Mongia, MS Dhoni, Gautam Gambhir, Virat Kohli, Suresh Raina, Shikhar Dhawan......one can easily check the performance of these players in major trophies, ODIs, T20s and Test Cricket as well....
Nasser your lucky that you were allowed to wear a shorts inside CCI. It's privilege to be a part of Mumbai cricket. And mainly a part of Dadar Union club which had players like Gavaskar, Shastri ,Manjrekar, etc nearly all greats. Even today the greats call and ask the score and performance of the Club.🙏🙏 Mumbai Batsman are groomed to be Khadoos Batsman.
Mumbai batsmen becoming great has as much to do with their talent as it is to do with opportunities they got by being in mumbai. in later times this point was proven beyond a sliver of doubt by batsmen like Virat, Ganguly, Dravid etc who came from three different parts of India when their region started developing. It's all about opportunities you get and nothing else.
this was great... less orange than the previous one. But still great
Both r too grtt..