The Dark Side of This Lifestyle.
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- čas přidán 19. 12. 2022
- Today's video is talking about dark side of fame and global success. This has come about after reading an interview with Peter Buck the guitarist of REM, who spoke about how global success ended up taking away the pleasure of making music, and he's glad it's over now. Is this really something that mega successful musicians can complain about? Is it an extremely privileged take? Or is that kind of mega-fame the price you pay for success in the music business? Please, let's have a discussion in the comments, I'd like to know your thoughts on this.
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I spent 15 years as a session player for some huge acts of the 90’s S d saw very normal people become massive global stars. Some could deal with it, some could not. What I learned I think looking back is those that coped, adapted & continued were those that never let anything be bigger than their craft and also surrounded themselves with the best team & let the team absorb the madness. The best example I can think of is Keanu. Still rides the bus and whenever recognised just takes a moment to be interested in people, cleverly diffusing their enthusiasm for him into his to them. It normalises him very quickly and that creates a feeling of calm. He carries that everywhere and just gets on with his life & his work without the circus that would surely ruin the craft. That I think is the sweet spot.
Really enjoy your content Justin, from another Suffolk Boi (Walberswick). 🤙
Keanu is such a beautiful soul. Still flies commercial and takes the tram to baggage claim. No security. Rides his motorcycle to his gigs and errands. If it weren't for him I'd have likely believed that no one escaped fame with their soul, integrity, and character in tact.
"I think the squirrels can hear it." -Justin Hawkins
While I’m here, can I just add to the comments section, a mention of Terry Hall, of The Specials, Fun Boy Three and The Colourfield.
May he rest in piece, the brilliant singer songwriter he was.
Yes. Beautiful homage. This was awful news. Rest in Peace Terry Hall. What an amazing musical influence he was on me. His music brought such joy to so many.
Well said mate , not been this gutted since we lost Mark Hollis a couple of years ago .
Nooo whattttt 🥺😢😰
Sad sad news, indeed. Condolences to Terry's family, friends, colleagues and fans.
I am absolutly gutted on hearing the sad news. The Specials were my first music band I started to listen to at the young age of 10. I have been playing The Specials all day and I have so many happy memories every song I listen to. R.I.P Terry Hall, you will always be in my heart ❤
Losing my religion is a southern colloquialism meaning 'pushed past the point of no return '. I would aggravate my mother to the point where she would tell me I was about to make her lose her religion and I would be in trouble. And we were heathens.
Wow! Thank you for explaining this - all these years I never knew.
Yes! Thank you - I never knew what that meant!
😂 same here, Holly! I’m from southern Alabama. They still say it here! 🕊👋
A funny story about Michael Stipe. In the 80s, Musician Magazine was one of the first big music rags to do a cover and multi-page article on the group. When asked by the interviewer about their unintelligible lyrics, Stipe laughed and said he had lost count of the number of fans commenting on the positive impact the band's lyrics had on their lives. The fans would quote lines that were not the correct words because they were misunderstood. And in most cases, Stipe would nod and thank them, but think to himself, "those lyrics are far better than what WE wrote..."
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It’s still the songwriter’s to say what inspired, or what the songs are about, if there is meaning past, just writing whatever works best in the moment.
Yet, it also doesn’t matter, as any song can have a difference meaning for each person, regardless of whether they get the lyrics wrong or not.
That's true. Then he farted on the chair. It was awesome 👌. What a sound 🤘
@kevvcop I agree with corcorbin. People can interpret lyrics however they like. But if the lyrics had a specific meaning to the songwriter then those lyrics will always have that specific meaning, always. Perfect example is “Tears In Heaven.” You can make it mean whatever you want to yourself but the purpose and meaning of the song will always be Eric Clapton grieving the loss of his child and nobody else has the right to say otherwise about the song. It is still his song about his child.
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Fartman, come together with your hands
Save me, I'm together with your plan
Save me, yeah
Save, oh
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There's a fart maaaaaan
Waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he might blow off
I never had any sympathy for celebrity woes until I head someone talk about why an actor kept doing big budget movies that he knew were awful. He said that he knew they were "bad" roles, but if he took too long and didn't work, there were 1,000 people around him who didn't get paid either and he couldn't do that to them.
That has always stuck with me and shifted my perspective on the issue.
Replace the sentence `there were 1,000 people around him who didn't get paid either and he couldn't do that to them`, with `my family` and basically its the same as any job. But I would rather be a pissed off millionaire earing my money by doing my hobby, than being a roofer and skint.
I think he complains from a position of (self earned) privilege. He just forgot that life is pretty shit for the majority and we can only dream of having his problems.
I've no doubt that being a celebrity has its dark side. I don't know how you do it! I like my anonymity .. and I love being dazzled by massive talent such as yours Mr. Hawkins. Thank you forever for what you do !!! We love you !!! ♥♥♥
Thank you!
@@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain No ...thank you
Lol my mom called us heathens.
There's a Mitch Hedberg joke, that goes something like: "Ever since I became a comedian people ask me, 'can you act?' It's as though you spend your whole life becoming a really good cook, honing your craft and getting really good, then someone says, 'oh you're a cook? Can you farm?'"
Loved Mitch. "I still do, but I used to, too!"
One of Mitch's best!
@@bandersnatched great little Hedberg-ism there.
Do you like sandwiches? I sure do... wanna start a club?
@@kevinhill6079 "Let me ask you a question - how do you feel about frilly toothpicks?"
@@bandersnatched I'm for 'em!
Be careful what you wish for...I used to work at Sony and I have seen what it does to some people
I always found that the happiest artists are the ones that can contain their success to the places where their work is meant to exist but can go to a coffee shop and not be bothered. It really is all the outside factors and people trying to collect their 10% that create a lot of noise in one’s process. A healthy balance of freedom and business can go a long way in someone’s journey!
I agree. One of my favourite musicians, Ben Howard, sits perfectly in this category. Merry Christmas.
Has anyone seen the guitarist for Godsmack Tony Rombola. Looks like a school teacher and really should be able to be in public and no one would notice him. Or Seether. They have so many hits yet I could not name a single member of that band
When 'Christmas Time' hit, myself & Ed (Graham) were in a pub in Dec & he nipped off to the gents, three people interupted him 'mid stream' to ask about The Darkness, ask for an autograph, & profer congratulations. That struck me as an odd side weirdness of fame.
As someone who only got as far as opening for arena bands, what I observed was that, the minute you begin headlining arenas and such, the music biz becomes an assembly line of near identical venues, hotel rooms, industry people, check-in's, load-in's, soundchecks, interviews, and bus rides. By the time REM reached that point, there were so many other ppl with their hands in the cookie jar and others who continually wanted a piece of them. Try writing your next album in those conditions. Plus, once you sell a million units, that becomes the expectation. Also, there is ZERO privacy. Unless you like getting undressed in front of strangers (both figuratively and literally), the mega fame that many of us dreamed of can be a total nightmare. Just ask Kurt Cobain. Oh right, we can't.
"Units"! Yup...a dehumanising & narcisising process. It's amazing anyone stays sane or able to relate to anyone normally and with empathy by the end of it. The majority don't I'm sure. 😔
Top bands always say early days were most fun, when there's something to struggle for. Once you get mega famous and rich it don't mean anything no more. Music don't get better with millions. Limitations breed creativity.
First two sentences rhymed accidentally 😀
When I was young I desperately wanted to be a famous musician. But I'm ever so glad it never happened. As a more or less unknown musician I've been able to follow my muse in a way that REM probably never could. Keeping a band going is one of the hardest creative things to do, and it is almost unique to the music industry. All the lives and loves, triumphs and failures of all those people (band members, their family friends, fans and crew) packaged up together into some kind of meta-experiential product... it's amazing any band lasts longer than a couple of weeks!
Thanks so much Peri x
This is why I like Rush . Geddy Lee , Neil Pert and Alex made music that they liked , they stay grounded and never behaved like the super stars that they were . They only stopped when health brought a stop to touring and making albums .
I see it like this. Especially in today's world of social media. When you are surrounded by just your family and friends and yet you still feel alone, there can be a feeling of "nobody really knows or cares about me". When you are that type of person but also happen to have 80,000,000 followers, it doesn't necessarily stop those feelings of being alone. Only now you have evidence of 80,000,000 people who "don't really know or care" about you. I imagine it could feel incredibly sad and isolating.
Good point.
As a huge R.E.M. fan really good to hear you talk about them. As I remember from when then called it quits in 2011 Peter Buck suggested to the band as the record contract was up they either went back to a more independent approach or end the band. They all discussed it and agreed to call it quits which although was a terrible day for someone like me I can completely understand the decision. They made 14 great records and 1 good/ok that was better live record. I think they paid their dues and I fortunately got to see them 6 times including 2 of the live rehearsal shows in Dublin. They were everything for me in my teenage years into my early 20s and helped formulate myself as a person. I am really glad they were R.E.M. for the time they were. Now Peter Buck has all sorts of different projects on the go with different bands, Mike Mills has a Concerto, Michael Stipe has his art and some solo songs and Bill berry shows up occasionally at live events. I do not think they will ever reform as that would not be in their nature as a band. But long live the incredible music of R.E.M. They probably did leave at the right time at the end of the day.
Heard one of your songs that i'd forgotten about the other day Justin 'Christmas Time (Don't let the Bell's End)' and might i say, Well played Sir!
I made lots of famous musician friends during my 33 years making music in LA. Many of these musicians are internationally known, so I won't mention any names.
There was one where we were partying one night after a show in a hotel suite, when the cops show up and ask him if he recognizes some girl. Turns out, a 13-year-old girl ran away from home and left a voicemail on her parents' answering machine to let them know that she was running away from home, specifically to be with him. It was weird.
We had a jam session at his house one night. I went to take the trash out the next morning, and there were FIVE girls digging through the trash that was out there. He had to turn his home into a fortress as a result.
Probably the worst of all was those moments where a rumor would be spreading about them, and I'd get a phone call from a tabloid. I got one call where they offered me $30,000 to confirm or deny something. It was at a time when I had a small son and was struggling with work, so the money would have been awesome, but I couldn't sell out my friend. I always said no.
It would be cool if fame could be tempered a bit, or if it had a dimmer switch. As a musician, one of my goals was to reach a huge audience. I n ever reached that point, and never will. Seeing friends who did get there helps put things into perspective.
Very interesting dude, cheers for sharing and hey having your friends make it means you can share that success. It’s one of the great things people ‘miss’ and that’s enjoying other people doing well, being happy, instead most go with envy, if you can flip that, there’s ‘gold on them there hills’!
In fact I’ve just looked it up: Compersion is our wholehearted participation in the happiness of others. It is the sympathetic joy we feel for somebody else, even when their positive experience does not involve or benefit us directly. Thus, compersion can be thought of as the opposite of jealousy and possessiveness.
I saw REM at the stadium here in Hull East Yorkshire on a wet Tuesday evening in circa 2005. The whole evening was miserable until they walked on stage and lifted the whole place! I’ll never forget Michael Stipe and his energy. Great showmanship!
Yes in July
In 1969, Laura Nyro became a multi millionaire aged 21 when she sold her publishing. She retired at 24 to get married and she eshewed fame. She came back a few years later after her divorce. She remains obscure despite " probably having influenced more successful songwriters than anyone " Elton John, 2007. In November 1969, 3 Nyro songs were at 1, 2 and 10 on Billboard.
For myself as an electic guitarist the dark side of my rock star lifestyle is hitting my head stock on the lightswitch in my living room rocking out! Lol thumbs up love the channel!
Even my Grandma liked that song, she heard it before I did. She called me up and asked if I heard of a band called R.E.M. and I said I had, then she said, "I just heard a song by them that I really like and I want you to get it for me." so she told me the song and I went and bought her the single.
Always pleasure waiting your videos, I thank you for shedding the light on many subjects around music also sharing your great persona and one of my favourite modern artists, merry Xmas to you the family and friends
Justin, REM were notorious (in a good way) for helping other bands . Bands that supported them even in their early days would routinely receive over and above help (money/food/lodging) - even when they barely covered their own expenses. Good people!
I have met Michael Stipe and I agree with your assessment of him being quiet and had an air of being unapproachable
I never comment on here before, been watching lots of your videos and I got to say I think your great and how you tell your stories and share your experiences and opinions. Your a great down to earth person. Feel I can relate to you and your one of them people you could chat about anything too. Anyway my friend I hope you and your loved ones have a fantastic Christmas, and thanks for your time you put into your videos to make for us. All the best mate.
Excellent point about *perspective* when considering what constitutes 'too much success'. This is a fascinating topic. Your openness, honesty and comments on this are refreshing because it shows how you--Justin Effin' Hawkins--are really no different from any mere mortal music consumer buying a record for the first time. Cheers and thank you, and merry Christmas to you and your family.
Humility, Kindness, and Love are Always in Style! Your Fame lay within this triad. You are much appreciated.
Keep up the great work! Justin is fantastic at this.. Instantly likable
You can’t be too successful, just like you can’t be too loving, smart, funny, rich or attractive. As long as you’re still self aware, humble giving and come at life from a place of gratitude. Love the videos by the way 🤟🤟🤟
Wise words. I was thinking the exact same thing; 'does that mean I'm wise as well?'. But yes, the most important characteristic to keep one grounded and healthy in both mind and spirit if one reaches those dizzying heights of success and fame, is a humbleness in ones position in society. A humbleness brought about through self reflection, generosity and understanding of both yourself and others i.e. empathy and sympathy for those with less chances in life and importantly your own faults. And also most importantly as you add, gratitude. I should have written this in the column but you beat me to it, and expressed it much more succinctly than I ever could. Thanks for reminding us of this.
DAMN this channel is comfy. Great channel, Justin. Thank you.
I played for 2 decades on stage, all kind of things, and when i was about 40, i had enough of it. Now I own a little studio with 2 of my old mates, we make, record and mix music there , that nobody ever has to hear, and i have the time of my life. I found i don't need an audiance to enjoy music, actually, on the contrary. But maybe that's is just of the stage of life i am in , probably wouldnt be enough when i was younger and never was on stage before.
Too much commercialization, is the real problem. Selling your soul for that short time success in the spotlight, leaves an artist/musician feeling empty. Then time moves on, we get older, our passions change, the audience changes and we're left looking back with sour feelings of the roads taken. But we all started playing for our own enjoyment and that should be enough. If writing music makes you happy, that should be enough. I just never prescribed to that school of thought that selling millions of records equaled happiness. Happiness is within, no need to search any further.
I love REM...all great songs......love your videos Justin,I think they are essential...
The definition of success is different for everyone..... some people measure it by their fan base or bank balance, for others it's how happy they are. If I wrote a song that wasn't commercially successful but someone is humming it years later...... that for me would mean success. Tim Hope.
I would love to hear your opinion on Pearl Jam. They are known to stay out of the lime light for the most part unless it is for causes they really believe in, yet they manage to sell out pretty much every single show with people traveling all over the world to see them. They do go years and years without making a record as a band but each of them has side projects but it never leads to them actually splitting up. I feel like they've found their sweet spot and have maintained it for over a decade.
Several years ago, Dianne Kenny, Professor of Music and Psychology at the University of Sydney did a survey of 13,000 music stars going back to the 1950's. The average age of passing was about 58, about 25 years less than the general population in the West. The most common age of passing was about 57.
Wow! Interesting stats.
@@thebeelievers6503 For sure. I heard her get interviewed on radio. Her study went up to Amy Winehouse's passing, if I remember correctly. One of the categories for cause of death was homicide. Also, drugs, cancer, accidents etc. Yep, really interesting. Cheers.
No questions (yet)! I'm new here and just enjoying listening and learning for now. Wishing you and yours a very happy Christmas, and New Year!
Thank you!
@@JustinHawkinsRidesAgain so Justin only responds if people give him money? How beautiful is that.
Appreciate your honesty. Take care yourself Justin 🙏
You can see Peter Buck's ennui in full bloom in the "Shiny Happy People" video. His disdain for the proceedings really comes through. Bill is game, mostly, but a skeptical drummer boy is he. Michael is aloof and non-commital (as usual) despite his animated delivery. Only Mills seems all in, belting it out as he mimes expertly the bass.
Thank God for Kate, who elevates the whole shebang into the realms of the sublime. Those harmonies!
The last two darkness albums are just amazing. My favourites so far. Keep it coming.
How does it feel where you are, Justin? I hope you don't give up anytime soon. Great songs and great web content. Don't quit yet!!
I’ve been binge-watching your channel and thoroughly enjoyed it. There’s a Japanese band called King Gnu, not sure if you heard of it but I found them rather pleasant. Please keep up the good work and happy holidays :)
Thanks so much!
MerryChristmas to you and all your family Justin 😊
Wow! Loved your point at ~649 regarding his comments on time to stop against a sincere love for music!!! Great observation. Thanks!
Have a great Christmas and New year Justin !
It’s worth mentioning that post 2011 Peter Buck has continued a prolific touring schedule, playing mostly in smaller clubs with lesser known artists. I live in the South, and I have seen Peter Buck live more post REM than during their heyday. Eric Cantona reference while discussing Peter Buck and R. E. M.: sublime.
That's very interesting.
I mean, I'm certain some successful and talented musicians are by default introverts.
Add enormous fame and countless responsibilities.
I could understand his perspective.
It also makes me wonder if this is a reason some musicians turn to drugs and alcohol,to perhaps help deal with the constant fame.
Great video and cool as usual.
I think it's all about the personality of the individual. Some people strive to seek fame, while others never really feel comfortable in the limelight. Once it stops being fun, then a decision has to be made. As you said in the video, Justin, the music should always come first. Beyond that, it all depends on the individual (or group if it's a band).
11👍thxs Justin for riding again and happy holiday
From AZ
Jezz, everything You discuss is so well put, with respect and retrospect "it't dos'nt really matter how much people are there"
Being around artists, writers, poets and other creatieve people made more apreciative of the actual work instead of the buzz it might or might not have created
Much love from the netherlands
Jop Koenegracht
People seem to think that all your problems will go away when you become famous, but they'll just be replaced by a new set of problems.
Imagine that you're the biggest band in the world with millions of adoring fans. You love your fans and would do anything for them... until you realize that you can't impress them while also staying true to yourself.
Being extremely famous means giving up a certain degree of control. Essentially, all you're doing is working for a record label. The fear of letting everyone down is impossible to shake away. And privacy means nothing when everyone knows your name.
I would imagine that indie bands are some of the happiest bands in existence because they're able to have fun and play music without the burdens that more successful bands have. After all, some of the best music that R.E.M. made was from their indie period.
Love you Justin, appreciate your thoughtful take on all things real. Keep on rockin' in the free world!
Thank so much J. I really appreciate it!
Thank you for mentioning R.E.M in this show! I have followed them since the mid 1980s, I have all their records (even the $100 box set), but they were wonderful. They were cult status until the albums Document and Green. I totally respect them and they have put a place in my heart for all the years they worked. I saw them live more times than I can remember. They went out on top. I'm glad they retired, cos I may never have found The Darkness! Love you guys! 😍
What do you think of Collapse Into Now? I like it and am looking for others who don’t think it’s their worst.
@@wmcquiston I love Collapse Into Now. I haven't heard it in years, but I loved it. What R.E.M related stuff would you like to talk about?
No, it's not their worst album. Fables of the Reconstruction was the worst, in my opinion. I still don't like it. Otherwise, they are the best band to spend 20 plus years listening to them. Does that answer the question?⛄🎄
Merry Christmas, Justin.
There are millions of us that are musicians that are in no way famous, or even well known. Yet music is something we can't stop playing, recording, creating, and sharing. For myself, I've never stopped playing, but I also have other things I also want to be connected to; family being one of them. So I've had to figure out my "sweet spot" as you say. I think I have. But music will always be my engine.
If their hearts are not in it, then walk away. Music is a thing to be made with passion, If they think they were ready to walk away, then they were ready and it was the right thing to do. Loosing my Religion is one of my favorite songs of all time, Lacuna Coil made a really great cover of it a few years back now.
Yeah when it just becomes just a job that you don't enjoy, it's time to quit.
What is great Justin is that you tackle some of the topics where others fear to tread ..thanks for being so authentic. I think REM should have carried on ..sounds like they just became disillusioned. If that happens I guess no matter how good or massive you are if there is just no joy what's the point?
JHRA is like listening to a wise, informative friend who brings insight and reflective thought to the topic in discussion. 'Ere fanks Juss' 😊
My idea of being successful is just anyone giving a crap about what songs I come up with. I only play in my bedroom and sometimes bug my wife to come give a listen…I think making any money off of your music is success..I also am a factory worker who works 12 hour shifts and make 35k a year..sometimes I think being a song writer would be more satisfying bc you get to write the songs and get the check but don’t really have to deal with the fame to an extent. Owell great video, great talking point. Legend.
When your passion turns into a job. It’s a job!! I don’t know anyone who likes all the parts of their job. It’s an unrealistic expectation. Also, fame becoming too much is real to them, even if you don’t understand. Can’t count how many times I’ve heard artists say, “I thought once I made it, all my problems would go away, but none did and new problems emerged”. The people I feel sorry for are the people who are super famous and poor.
There's many aspects of life that can rob your joy when it comes to playing music. For me, it was the business of it. I got tired of booking gigs to rooms where everything was all about, and about nothing but the draw. I ended up spending so much time booking, marketing, and promoting that I barely got time to practice for the shows themselves. And I ended up playing material I hated before I stopped for a few years. In retrospect, I don't really care about who I play for anymore as far as the business of it. I play to tap into the Spiritual. Nothing else matters. At least not to me.
I h.a.t.e.d. being the manager of my band. Talk about killing joy. No one else would do it, so I had to.
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I've written songs.....well, lyrics, not clever enough for the music bit....and a couple of those had me shivering with excitement, that's very satisfying for me. If at some time we record them and others get the same feeling then that's fantastic. Famous in my own lunchtime, I am. Love watching the videos, Justin...keep them coming.
Would absolutely love to achieve that level of success in music, it would be truly a mesmerising opportunity to live such a life! I'm sure the peripheral commitments (photoshoots, videos, press etc) are a small price to pay in comparison to working low paid jobs whilst still trying to maintain and progress your creative endeavours! Shout out to all the grinding musicians out there! P.S I love this channel Justin, your outlook is immaculate on this whole crazy thaaaang we call music!
Great episode as usual!
I'm sure a Terry Hall tribute would go amiss for a future episode 🏁
Really interesting video Justin...one of your best. Would love to know your feedback on The Cure in light of this video on REM.
From Lowie like u man, u are as real as it gets man , see u on the ice ▶️
Hey Justin. Great video as ever, thanks. That bit about bands gradually dropping guitars further and further down the mix and becoming less "live" really caught my attention. I wonder what you consider to be the main examples of this? And keep up the good work pal #RIPTerryHall
Underrated video: this town ain't big enough for the both of us. That was a brilliant video and some good acting from Justin
I'd love to see him act more!
Hoping for great new vids!
Stop when it feels right. No one can say when until it is. You're a decent human being Justin.
I love R.E.M and I was lucky to see them live a few times. However, if they were not happy, regardless of their fanbase, I think it was the right decision for them to call it. I'd love to see them play again, but if they aren't going to enjoy playing, then I wouldn't want to see them that way....I'll keep playing their records instead! I've instantly got "Near Wild Heaven" in my head. Off to play it!
As a musician trying to make my band I find your opinion very interesting and agreeable.
Music and fandom are an interesting mix. As a fan, you love the music and you also love the people who make the music. As a result, a fan really wants their musicians to be happy and settled and content. I became a fan of WET LEG just before they became famous, and it was great to see those two women gain success and fame when you consider the crap their lives had been beforehand (as per the lyrics of their songs). There was an element of vicarious joy where their joy became my joy, and, in one sense I don't really care if they never record or tour again so long as they remain happy and financially secure for the rest of their lives.
I enjoy the channel.
Justin Hawkins, when are you going to cover the brand new
Obituary album?
@Justin, question for comments day on the subject of being "too" famous: you mentioned that it's difficult for someone who has reached the heights of fame to avoid being recognized when leaving home. What does that feel like? Whenever I have seen anyone recognizable from any major industry going back to my childhood (ie: news anchors, actors, singers, politicians, etc.), I've always felt very shy about approaching those individuals. In most cases I didn't go say hi because I felt like it would be instrusive and not knowing if those people would mind. In other circumstances, the famous individuals encouraged the encounter after seeing me take notice of them from afar, yet I still felt a little awkward when they fully initiated it -- and of course, I didn't know if they minded giving an autograph, taking a picture, etc., and I was too shy to ask because I didn't want to pressure them into doing something they weren't comfortable with or didn't have time for. Living in NYC, I've had lots of opportunities to meet interesting people whose work has impacted my life, yet most of the time, I've given up the chance to show my appreciation because I've always been aware of the idea that it might be bothersome.
I know you can't speak to how every famous person feels, but how do you personally feel about fans approaching? How do you handle a fan who wants to take quick photo and/or to thank you for making a difference in their lives when you're just trying to go about your day in the public sphere? How do you prepare for a situation where you know there will be hoards of fans wanting to get close to you? Does anything make you feel awkward, like when fans want to give you hugs or hand you gifts? Is there anything you're against doing during a fan encounter, similar to Dave Grohl's very vocal decision to stop giving autographs unless it's for a charity auction because too many questionable people out there have sold his signed items for profit on eBay? Perhaps you can share some examples of positive fan encounters and those that have crossed the line while you're speaking on this subject. Some fans respect famous people's privacy and not wanting to put them in a situation they're not comfortable with, but I'm certain many fans come at you like it's "owed" for being a public figure, and/or have nefarious intentions. How can you tell the difference and how have you handled these circumstances?
Thanks so much for your time and your music and channel's influence on my life. I'll make a note of what you're comfortable with in case I ever run into you on the street or at an event someday. 😊
Which band are you referring to when you say they morph from a real guitar band into a dance music project and why is it Coldplay?
I have a 'bootleg' tape of REM doing a radio session and they are having so much fun doing daft cover versions. It sounds like is could be really early but its around the time that Losing My Religion came out. It's 60 minutes worth of audio gold.
The day Michael Stipe performs 'Shiny Happy People' complete with dance moves live, REM might make a return 🥺.
I play in a 3rd rate pub covers band as a hobby. We did a big gig on a beach once with the cameras and the big screens etc. About a week later I got recognised and approached by a fan (probably our only one). It was flattering to be told how great we sounded and being asked about upcoming gigs but it was a really strange feeling - gave me a tiny insight into the world of being recognised and approached - and I didn't like it, which surprised me TBH.
Only recently found your channel Just-in (that’s what she said 🤭) and loving ❤ the content 🙌🏼
SIA came to mind 🧠 when you said how do you remain anonymous when you find ‘successs’ musically and as you say what is success, who defines but for this let’s go with selling lots of albums, records not AL’s bum (sorry in a silly mood this morn 😁)
You Sit are getting me back into bands I’ve not heard for years (The Darkness, boy I love that 1st album, now finding your later stuff 👌🏼), artists I knew little about (John Mayer) and at the ripe old age of 43 I’m getting the old band back together (3 piece guitar band with my mates I grew up with) and some of the inspiration for this has come from you Justin 🙏🏼
So I thank you kind Sir and I think you’re a great British export 🇬🇧 (I hope you don’t mind being called that).
Yeah, I was in college at UGA in Athens from '85-'90, and saw Micheal Stipe 3 times during that period. All three times at the 40 Watt Club, and all three times he just leaned in the back corner with his dog laying at his feet, just listening to the music opposite him, and no one ever had the guts to approach him. And probably the correct decision.
I've been a big fan of REM since 1988, I was sooo sad when they split, but they have never done 'conventional' things. If they are happy then that's fine. I will always love REM. Actually I heard a story that Peter was watching you on stage at TITP, I think The Darkness were in King Tut's waa waa tent!!
Like many I was awed by your performance at the Taylor Hawkins Tribute at Wembley which I was so blessed to have been at..wondered who the hell is that skinny guy in the crazy jumpsuit killing it..found your channel and have been hooked ever since. For a "famous" personality, you are humble, funny and like us, just another human trying to keep it real, make your art and facilitate the "Truth of Rock" as you see it. It seems you have managed to maintain a modicum of control over the machine that must exist to keep the lights on, pay the bills and provide for your family, like any other working bloke. Unlike the "common workin' man" when you arrive at the level of "Celebrity" you have found yourself at, keeping hold of the tiller and making sure the machine keeps getting oiled with good art can be challenging. this may not be popular, but through REM's rise though college gigs to fame they never lost the chip on their shoulder, the whiney blather so popular to the IVY League brats that made them popular...each to their own...was never a fan... As for the price of success, every thing is a choice and a trade off, the concept of Selling out as an artist is not about taking the money but losing yourself, which, will happen when you let others start making choices about how your vision will become "product". Art+Commerce Music is a fucking meatgrinder for the faint of Art. thanks for sharing every day, you've made 2022 not suck. I hope to catch you somewheres this summer, looks like will have to make a roadtrip to Europe..I regret somehow not discovering The Darkness earlier in life. For requests I would love your take on a "gone but not forgotton" - Rowland Howard..particularly the Song Pop Crimes..the hypnotic base line and sardonic sad lyrics I am sure will appeal to your humour. PS You can never cover enough Iggy... Strung out Johnny is brilliant. Other question, do you film a bunch of these on a certain day then they release or are you and your producer actually committed to doing this every day??? wow. Your community building through this channel is amazing, thank you again.
I'm a full time musician, I'm happy playing for anybody and I don't mind talking to folks after the gigs, but 10,000 people might be too many to talk to after the gig. Driving, loading in, loading out, waiting to go on etc. are the necessary evils we deal with for those few hours of freedom while playing. Also I love these videos by the way. Excellent insight.
I’m not a professional musician, but do go out on tour as a guitar tech. Life on the road reminds me of my time in the Army while deployed. Massive amounts of boredom, punctuated with moments of excitement. I see how it can be overwhelming for some, but, for me, I find the lifestyle enjoyable.
I was fortunate enough to see REM live, in Toronto, early September 1999! Such an awesome concert!!
Hey Justin, If you ever get too low about the dark side of success, please shoot me a message and I will enlighten you to the dark side of working for a living every grueling day! Love you guys, keep up the good work and please come back to Ohio USA for a live performance if you can! 🥰
Have a great Christmas bud🤘🤘👍
Sometimes, before I start an endurance run of life's daily complexity, I out loud parrot the "Justin Hawkins rides again, again..." refrain in full singing voice, just to gain the strength to face the day.
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"Some are born to greatness. Others have greatness thrust upon them."
My main band was a success to me in that we were creative and recording music we loved. We played some great gigs, had a great time, sold a few CDs and t-shirts. It was a fun time, but the last gig when we played to the other band and the bar staff... yeah, it's not happening really, is it? To make that decision to stop when you're selling music and filling stadiums, that takes some balls. Easier I suppose when you're set up for life though, I suppose. At least being a musician paid for my house and I'm happy with that.
Peter Buck has lived here in Seattle since the early 90’s. I used to seem at shows from time to time back then. I had a few conversations with him. He was always very nice and kind of funny. I didn’t find him unapproachable at all. In fact he initiated conversation with me.
Music is art. When you feel you have nothing more to express it is time to move on. Popularity has nothing to do with it.
...or ought to be art.
That’s such a great argument against stopping when they did.
some people just don't want to be happy, nor realize how lucky and fortunate they are.
All serious things aside, I love it every time that Justin does that thing where he puts the top of his hands up against his waist and defiantly says something like, “‘Ere, why are you…”.
Calling it quits before you jump the shark is a good thing, i think. The trick is knowing when you're about to hit that point.
I loved them since they were a garage band playing on alternative radio. Those lovely obscure stations!!
Wow thanks Justin. U answered
I think its important to remind ourselves its 'how much we try' at things, wether it be with something we're passionate about, or in our personal relationships, and understanding there are forces beyond our control, and that there is little point in evaluating ourselves in comparison to others. Its largely down to understanding ourselves and being sympathetic with ourselves. Only a few can be successful in the way we understand that word "successful" to mean, and therefor not to put to higher price on success..
I'm coming to England. I can't wait to see The Darkness !!
There are plenty of reasons to think that fame brings with it all sorts of loneliness and danger. But it seems that Peter Buck is talking about something else. He was in a cool college radio band that made it really big and then lapsed somewhat in relevance. He seems to want a smaller, cooler audience -- the sort they enjoyed during their ascent -- but also to really like being like "the Beatles" and playing to massive crowds in South America. In all, it seems like he is most concerned with feeling cool and relevant to young people -- which becomes quite difficult when you aren't yourself 20-something. I hope he is able to find joy in music again -- for its own sake, for his family, for himself, or for massive stadium crowds.