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@@TheDiggster13 Well, it's not like he has the budget of a Canadian teachers' pension fund...
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The IQ points put into getting Ontario teachers more money is WAY higher than the IQ that was ever put into teaching me, an Ontario student. Guess who never taught me how to do my taxes, invest, or start a business? Ontario teachers. They did force me to learn tons of Shakespeare though
I'm guessing his attention was brought to Ontario Teacher's Pension from being in the news recently from their recent investment in FTX.
Which is the only awful thing about the channel. Needs more expressive language at least
But the topics are only half as interesting:(
Most pension funds function like this, except the US (which explains why pensions are being eroded since they can only invest in "vanilla" stuff like bonds and Treasuries). That's the gripe I have with Scandanavian countries since they claim to be very environmentally friendly but all of their pensions received funding from oil and gas while also investing in the same stuff.
I grew up on a farm in southern Ontario and the teachers pension plan buys up farmland as soon as it goes on the market, artificially inflating the price of land. It’s almost impossible to become a farmer, you have to be born as a farmer and inherit the land these days.
Almost everything is going in this direction sadly. Housing, land, cars... And in most of the world
Oh just like the US then?
@@Ale-bj7nd You will own nothing. And you will be happy.
@@Ale-bj7nd Cars has nothing to do with Land and Housing bro, defo agree on the two latter tho
I’m a farmer from Northern Alberta and the OTPP also owns farmland around where I live
The OTPP used to own the Toronto Maple Leafs for nearly two decades. It was speculated that the Leafs were more profitable if they made it to the playoffs and then lost instead of winning the Stanley Cup, and the OTPP was doing what they could to make that happen. But the teachers sold the team in 2012, and the Leafs haven't won a playoff series since then. So... myth busted?
Rogers and Bell owns them now. Myth not busted.
" It was speculated that the Leafs were more profitable if they made it to the playoffs and then lost instead of winning the Stanley Cup" This makes no sense to me. How are they more profitable not winning?
@@Homer-OJ-Simpson Leafs fans will buy more merchandise, burn it, then buy it again when the team promises (again) that "This is going to be the year they win."
@HomerOJSimpson they're not. It's just salty Leafs fans desperately trying to come to terms with their lack of playoff success for the past 5 decades.
@@Homer-OJ-Simpson I wish I could find the magazine articles I read. One was from around 2007, and the other from about 2012, but both made the case fairly well. Something about perpetually being "the year" instead of it happening and fans being content for a while. The speculation was that personnel decisions were made to hamper chances in the playoffs. But as I mentioned before, the team has made as many poor choices and lost as much since the OTPP sold the team. So either the current owner is doing the same, or the Leafs just can't make it to a championship.
Always wondered why Eurostar was part-owned by Canadian Teachers, I thought that was so weird
Free field trips! 😉
And also part-owned by the Province of Quebec.
Canadian teachers hold a huge amount of power
Cause Teacher Cartels are cool :D (Got to fund that Magic Schoolbus of Mrs.Frizzle) Beep Beep
Yet Canada itself can’t get any decent rail 😢
I guess it might seem weird for non-Canadians but for business grads pension plans is the most prestigious job you can get. They essentially get the top person from every class.
In my experience too students will go to MBB Consulting, BB Ibanking, PE, first.
Pension funds are still a great career though
Yeah that's not true. (Me MBA, Canadian school)
As a Canadian who went to a top school - no. Everyone wants MBB consulting, Investment banking or more recently, tech. Working for OTPP is low on the list.
@@reambraden I mean I went to Queen’s commerce and know where my classmates went to work.
Actually this "Canadian model" for pension funds is largely to be credited to Quebec's pension fund (CDPQ) and its subsidiaries. It was founded 25 years earlier than the OTPP in 1965 and established the same direct investment strategy. Today it's even larger than the OTPP (second only to the federal government pension fund) and has massive investments in global infrastructure, from Heathrow airport to the Eurostar and Australia's electricity grid.
So because it originated in Quebec its not "Canadian?"
Hm no that’s not quite my point; rather I mean that if there was a pension fund to credit with creating the model under which multiple Canadian pension funds are ran it would be the CDPQ, not the OTPP. Actually I wonder why the video is not about the CDPQ as it shares basically all the same characteristics as the OTPP, is even bigger and has even more potential for clickbaity title (offices in multiple cities in the world, investments in well known infrastructure like Heathrow or Dubai port, absurdly large real estate portfolio worldwide, multimillionaire CEO etc…) and has some juicy tidbits of corruption scandals; great content 😅
That's interesting. Here in the UK we hear a lot about the Ontario fund - actually I'd assumed it part owned Heathrow, but perhaps it's Gatwick (London's second airport). I'm not sure what they do own, but it feels like any major infrastructure will have some OTPF investment!
@@rogink Its London City (LCY)
@@roginkerhaps it’s a bit of a collateral of Ontario just being overall better known than Quebec in the Anglosphere, as well as Ontarian investment groups having pretty significant history in London, eg. the Canary Wharf development by Olympia and York.
Fun fact: Quebec Pension Fund holds 13% of Heathrow Airport.
The Caisse more than a mere pension fund. It also manages the public car insurer 's reserves and a sovereign fund in the same vein as Norway's.
People think Quebec separating is the issue when in reality it’s Quebec playing the reverse Uno card and taking over England piece by piece.
Canada Pension Plan owns complete airports in Europe and ports.
They own 100% Ports America, the biggest Ship cargo handler in US.
@@shawa666 yeah the caisse is owned by many govermnent owned social services like the Retraite Quebec and even the CNESST
@@guenthermichaels5303indeed, one of them my local airport, Bristol
My mother is an Ontario teacher and she watched this and laughed
How come? I hear that despite the pension's profitability, Ontario teachers aren't outside very well.
So's mine (retired) but I've definitely thought about becoming a teacher like her just because of the pension plan
Are the teachers in Ontario payed enough or low? Or do they just get stable pensions ?
@@stanvincent4302 I mean, they're paid fine. The ultimate goal is to reach retirement when that full benefits pension kicks in
@@stanvincent4302teachers in Ontario get some of the BEST wages in the province. There’s none that I know personally that are under the 100k a year mark.
being an ontarian, I already knew about most of this but this was still a great video. it's certainly an interesting case study
The wild thing is that they don't even get paid that well when they're still working. Weird.
So do the teachers get paid good amount of pension?
@@rederik99 Ontario teachers are some of the highest paid in the world, what are you talking about?
being an Ontarian with several family members in the teaching profession, I knew very much about this, and am still surprised by how much the OTPP actually owns
@@123string4 that just means the rest of the world is underpaid for something that’s very important
I found out about the OTP when FTX lost some of their money.
I’m from Ontario so I found it hilarious that my grade school teachers retirement money somehow funded an adderall fuelled orgy in the Bahamas
Lol
check those union rep accounts......its slowly coming out FTX was a fraud laundering scheme
I love how he just randomly tells us more of the random stuff they own throughout the video
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Whenever I do any research on a company I'd like to invest in, the OTPP keeps cropping up as a major shareholder in just about everything. Same goes for the Norges Bank which is Norway's fabulously wealthy sovereign wealth fund. Some of these institutional investors are really quite interesting.
The Norwegian sovereign fund to day has invested in 9 338 companies and in 70 different countries. On average, the fund holds 1.3 percent of all of the world's listed companies
This is only for one province though. Not all Canadian teachers. Alberta teachers have been fucked completely by far right premiers
Meanwhile instead of pensions Singapore makes its citizens & PRs save up 20% of their incomes for retirement (unless your annual income is below a certain level) while your employer has to chip in to too - 16% of your salary (thus some employers might be biased & may prefer hiring foreigners instead of locals since they don't have to do such chipping in for them). These savings are then invested by the gov't's investment companies/SWFs Temasek Holdings & GIC too, which came in the spotlight when they lost ~2% of their portfolio when FTX collapsed, or when they were the ones pressuring StanChart to retrench staff after their profit dropped ard 5 yrs ago
If only all pension funds were ran responsibly - too many suffer from underfunding, this is a great example of success
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Underfunding? How many more billions do they need 😂
You also need to remove the mob in many cases
Or like Californias pension plans, which are huge, they have self imposed restrictions on the types of investments they can make….
Many other public pension plans in the province are funded by a higher ratio, but are not as successful. Managing their own plan independently from the employer was the smartest thing they've ever done.
Watching Jet Lag has taught me so much about Ben and Adam's personality that I can tell who wrote the video based on the topic. For example, I could tell that Adam wrote this video because of his ability to take something like this topic (or even a jet lag strategy) and make it seem fun and interesting but also very informative to the audience .
Probably also worth mentioning la caisse de dépôt et placement! It’s the Québec equivalent, with also equally massive holdings.
When a pension fund invests better than most proper hedge funds…
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@@pokestarsbrawlclips You may have a point. The long-term nature/focus of the fund may naturally lead to better absolute returns over time than those that have to deal with short-term withdrawals and volatility, like... most "pools" of money.
They invested in FTX tho.
They just lost millions in ftx Lmao
@@NeostormXLMAX So? A lot of people did, it's not like anyone could have seen it coming. FTX was 0.05% of their total assets, they lost almost nothing.
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I'm a teacher in Ontario. Love this. Just shared it with my colleagues.
While teachers in some states may not be paid well, the average teacher in Ontario makes roughly 40% more than the national average while getting a good chuck of the summer off. So, they are well paid and they have the best of the best in terms of pension and benefits. So, you don't need to feel bad for the teachers in Ontario. They get paid well enough.
I don't know anyone who feels bad for Ontario teachers - mostly I know about teachers in American states who envy them.
Haha, the summer off?
Add up all the other holidays, stat holidays, professional days, sick days, and paid benefits.
Who needs a salary?
@@joe_z in Canada teachers were riding that wave and telling students they were underfunded lol
Teachers DO not get paid during the summer. Salary is divided into 12 months. I don’t know why ppl think teachers would get paid to do nothing. You have to be more intelligent than this lol.
Meaning they get paid less during the year out of their yearly salary so they can get paid during the summer. It is not extra money.
If you want that, just ask your boss lol. It’s the same amount of money though you just make it stretch.
@@mthomas1443 but they’re still paid 70, 80, 90+k a year with 1/3rd if the year off.
Fun Fact: Manchester Council in England, United Kingdom own major shares in many of the UK's largest Airports. Manchester and East Midlands (largest cargo in UK) included.
Good, local infrastructure should be owned by local governments, like Transport for London
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I think Stansted as well, not Bristol though, that's controlled by the Ontario Teacher's pension plan
It's crazy to put into perspective that the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan has more money and pull than some countries. I remember that everyone would gun for a co-op position there when the postings went live on my uni's job portal.
which coop?
@@hassanali-ys7qn i applied there recently for a software engineering internship but they probably have a lot especially in business
The Irish National lottery is owned by Ontarios Teachers Pension Fund
About 20 years ago in calgary I did plumbing in a couple of warehouses built by Remington developments. Both were sold to the OTPP. In some cases they buy before building in completed and get a reduced purchase.
The railway/ train service to Stockholm-Arlanda Airport in Sweden is partially owned by Australian pension funds
As soon as you mentioned the OTPP I was like, oh....right, this video has been a long time coming
Ontario teachers actually worked with blackstone many times if you read the book king of capital. So they did pay fees and did link up with private equity when they weren’t directly buying into the investment themselves and were putting money into one of the blackstone funds.
0:27 Thanks whoever wrote the captions
As a guy from karnataka, it blows my mind how the roads that I travel in are managed by this teachers' pension fund
Wait which roads?
They even fund a lot of startups.i think they invested in Flipkart and others
Yes, Canadian Pension Plans invest a lot in India.
Owned, not managed.
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1:11 actually no they would not, the employer would just keep it
Probably use it for executive bonuses.
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Nice little cameos from Ben and Adam 😻
They also own and run one of the three biggest alcohol brands in Toronto: Wine Rack which is always in good supply of Jackson Triggs and Inniskillion which are both owned by, you guessed it, the OTPP (They bought Constellation Brands Canada who runs these brands)
Your bringing up how the long-term returns of things like infrastructure align with the pension fund's long term payout makes me think of it as a natural fit to implement in a certain elsewhere so we can actually have trains
I wonder if they invested in companies who produce stock footage.
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I'm also sure that the OTPP are the parent company of Camelot which runs the UK's National Lottery. Seems like they have investments everywhere...
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I'm Singaporean and I can confirm that they can indeed go bungee jumping whenever they want. Very important
Thank you for your video!!!
This is what the Quebec CDPQ (which manages pension funds for Quebec) and Canadian federal CPP (public pension fund for all Canadians not in Quebec) and the PSP pension fund for federal public sector employees do with deductions from peoples salaries to pay their pensions. Unlike US social security, government pension deductions (CPP contributions) are not spent on today's retirees as much as invested to pay you back your pension in the future. The interesting thing is when they use the money locally. For example, a new light metro in Montreal called the REM is being funded and delivered by CDPQ's infrastructure arm CDPQ Infra, which will be repaid by the regional public transport authority ARTM based on how many passenger-kilometres are carried on the system. This repayment will then be a stable source of income to pay future Quebec retirees.
Finally a video on the Ontario Teacher's Pension Plan~! I was shocked when I found out how much they owned and invested in
You should do a list of the CPP investments
The OTPP owns HS1 line in Kent, UK
They own my local airport, one of my favourite bits of trivia.
I live in rural Victoria, Australia and lots of our local farms are owned by Canadian pension funds.
Other pension plans in Canada like HOOPP (health care employees in Ontario) were "forced" to pay higher benefits because Canada's tax rules state if funding exceeds 125% of liabilities (funding ratio), they must decrease contributions or increase benefits.
Even national pension plans like CPP act similarly and have done extremely well. The last actuarial report says it is funded for at least 75 years. The CPP Investmentd is set up arms-length from.the government. Compare this to the Social Security Trust Fund, and you can see why the Canadian model is great.
OTPP has a major ownership over one of the largest electrical distribution companies here in Chile. Sadly it wa not in the video.
I actually work for a company owned by them, it's weird and kinda neat to see this!
As a teacher from Ontario who will benefit this, we are very cool with this model.
Employer contributions are employer contributions. If the employer didn't pay that money for the pension, it would go the shareholders, because that's how companies work.
I had to rewind that part because I couldn't believe he actually just said that. That surely was one of the dumbing things ever said on this channel, and it certainly didn't sound sarcastic
@@Hage86 Half as interesting has a moronic socalist streak to him. Funny, because he's making a ton of money just reading wikipeadia articals and hiring foregin anamators.
On the contrary, the employer is forced to pay the employer contribution and hence they make up that amount from reduced wages (sending that money to the shareholders). That's how companies work. Which is why the employer contributions are in fact employee contributions.
@@ChasmChaos lol, you have such a naive childish understanding of the market it is hilarious. So according to you if the employers didn't have to contribute... They would just send that money to their employees?
How nice of them.
@@TheOwenMajor that's not what I said. In a nutshell, they aren't going to pay. If they are forced to pay through a mandatory contribution, they'll silently reduce the actual salary of the employee.
Whatever is going in to the pension is entirely by the employee. It's just marketing to pretend the employer is also contributing.
They also own the company that runs the UK national lottery
This pension fund also has investments in water and sewerage companies here in Brazil.
You should do a video about the Caisse de Dépot et de placement du Québec. It is similar but like MUCH MUCH BIGGER
Employer contributions do not affect the maximum amount that can be contributed to 401k in the US. If your employer did a 1:1 natch up to the maximum amount you could contribute, you could save double the money each year toward retirement. The distinction between how money is handled for tax purposes and how the cap of contribution is administered makes the difference worth making. Just saying that dollar for dollar that money is worth more then if the employer gave it to you as pay.
Am Canadian, had no idea about this, very cool!
I live in Ontario. We pay our teachers a lot (they routine clear $100k for 9 months of work) and they have an insanely sweet package which is hwy for every working teacher there is 10 graduating teacher college. Now, you'd think this would result in amazing teachers....you would be wrong.
Related, Canadian Pension Plan in Globe and Mail: "In 2015, CPPIB formed Denver-based Crestone Peak Resources, spent ~US$600-million to buy 51,000 acres of producing oil and gas wells and drill sites in Colorado from Calgary-based Encana"
This really explains how my Father’s pension (Ontario teachers) had somehow taken a small stake in FTX😂 I was so confused hearing that. But knowing it’s an independent entity it makes more sense.
What an amazing subject
As a former student in Ontario I find this so funny for some reason
They also run most of the malls in Ontario and many in the rest of canada
The portion of the pension paid by the employer isn't really paid by employee money. If the employer didn't pay it ,they would keep it for profits or put it back into the company. The employee wages are determined by what each job makes in other companies.
Video accidentaly includes Toronto's Old City Hall in the Eaton Centre area. The red dot is directly on the Old City Hall (0:01). Eaton's Center is the rest.
If they like to buy infrastructure, I know of a bridge in Brooklyn they might be interested in...
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damn, the closed captions bypassed your censorship of the spoiler for jetlag
they recently bought out the Hospital chain my mom worked at in India
I found out about them when I heard they owned my local airport here in the UK
I heard somewhere that the Ontario Teachers Pension Plan invested in FTX, not sure if that was/istrue
The OTPP definitely has crypto investments, yes.
I read that too. But they are so large that the loss is not consequential.
100% true but wasn’t a huge amount for the Fund
yep, it ended up being a $95 million write-off, but that's a drop in the bucket compared to the $240 billion in funds they manage
The obvious question is, if this works so well, why haven't more pension funds (e.g. those in the US) copied the model? Laws that limit how pension funds operate? Laws (e.g. tax etc) that make doing it less profitable than in the places like Canada where it is done? Pension funds being more risk averse in these other countries? (i.e. wanting to stick to safe investments like government bonds from places like the US or shares in big strong companies that aren't likely to go bust anytime soon rather than riskier investments)
as a dude in Sydney who just had a glass of water, I'm glad I could do my bit to help old Canadian people
Interesting?? I never knew this. Thanks for sharing this video.
It works when it works, but the key is political independence. Alberta and Quebec have also gone the route of having inhouse management, but have investing goals tinged by political imperatives. ("Invest in the local economy, buy my donor's failing oil company, etc.) The result is underperformance.
Damn Sam throwing that shade at the end 😂
Teachers as they call it is huge, like friggin huge. They've had a consistent rate of return of 10 to 12% for the last few years.
I work at the Eaton Center, in a Pension company, that also manages Pensions for Canadian colleges and is not the OTPP.. 😂
For something like this but on steroids, anyone interested should look at the CDPQ from Québec. It’s very similar, but it includes all pension plans of all public employees as well as some government investments, and it also acts a bit more like a sovereign wealth fund. They’re also responsible for designing, funding, and partially building the REM in Montréal (a huge new metro line that nearly doubled the size of the Montréal metro).
I love how you spell "karanatka" it is spelled kar-anat-ka. With 'a' being mostly silent in "anat".
What you marked as Toronto Eaton Centre is the old city hall.
Like the system here in Switzerland
The OTPP also loves Sydney toll roads as well, dropping a few billion in to our most recent project...
There's nothing in this country that the pension industry doesn't have a hand in
well, canadian pention investment > any chinese investment
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Yet the basic grocery is crazy expensive. They are selling tomatoes individually now for a dollar!
3:04 correction. There is no question in the title that you cleverly enticed us into watching this video with.
Thanks!
My friend just explained the Singaporian state pension system called CPF. Also its Singaporean not Singaporian
They also Bristol airport in the uk
i'll take that challenge. get me permission by the building owner and the county legislature to dismantle and eat the Toronto Eaton Center and i will attempt it. i will Eaton the entire thing. your move HAI, your move.
The City of Toronto, and Cadillac Fairview, would never go for it.
During the Jet Lag: The Game segment, the spoiler got bleeped in the video, but it's still there in the subtitles
Ontario teacher here!! Sadly, i wont able to get a pension since i dont think i can stay in this backbreaking field till i get retirement
That last line hits like a truck my god
I got to know them when do I some research on airport ownership if they are a traded company. They are smart in investing in infrastructure without actually going for a quick profit.
when I saw the ben screwing up in jetlag bit, i immediately scrolled to the comments and lo and behold, video written by adam chase
Is this the same teachers pension that lost a ton of money in ftx
I live in Sydney and I never knew the desal plant was owned by Ontario Teachers. The more you know 🤷♂️
Ontarian here, day to day teacher here arnt rich and public schools are seriously underfunded and under resourced, but most they have crazy good benefits, my sister is a teacher, in a few years her salary will max out at like 100k a year CAD, if she retires at like 55-60 she will get something like 70k CAD a year essentially until she dies. It means she can save very little for retirement and still be comfortable.
Yeah, those teachers really wielded the power of the state to set themselves up nicely.
OTPP own a bunch of toll roads in Australia.
The Canadian Model was created by the Quebec Pension Plan
Canadian banks in the 60' Sure, Mr. Lesage, we'll manage your employee's pensions fund. But We'll overcharge you because you're a pea soup. Parizeau: D'la marde on est capables de faire ça tout seul.