Everything The Destiny 2 Community is Arguing About (& My Thoughts)
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Here's everything the Destiny 2 community is currently arguing about with The Final Shape, and my thoughts
00:00 - Intro
00:23 - Clock Arguing
01:32 - Raycon
02:38 - Dual Destiny Needs 2 Players
05:30 - New Shader System Not Really an Improvement
06:32 - Raid/Dungeon Power Delta Changes + Surges
08:05 - Pathfinder System
08:40 - GM Excision has no MM
10:02 - Prismatic Titan HEAVILY overshadowed
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00:00 - Intro
00:23 - Clock Callouts
02:38 - Dual Destiny Needs 2 Players
05:30 - New Shader System Not Really an Improvement
06:32 - Raid/Dungeon Power Delta Changes + Surges
08:05 - Pathfinder System
08:40 - GM Excision has no MM
10:02 - Prismatic Titan HEAVILY overshadowed
I wish they would buff the drop rate from chests for the class items.
7:48 on the topic of ghost of the deep can we talk about real who the hell keep doing these changes and nerfs one arby no longer one shot the shields of both bosses, and two the meter is no longer there so you don't know how close to death you are to, and three the cut down the time dramatically short making it to where the people who didn't collect the ghost back then before final shape drop barely able to enjoy the full diagonal conversation when you collect the final ghost
RE Dual Destiny "Because this mission is only one of two..." Yeah but no. Aside from there's more than those two (like getting the brand new Ergo Sum catalyst, questionable though it may be). Its not the number of solo-barred missions but the importance of the loot. They should have made their "great creativity project" for something less key to the whole new, paid DLC. Or alternative routes for the Class exotics. Then there would be no problem. Have your cake and eat it. But what they actually want is large amounts of players to struggle and so nag their real world friends to buy Destiny. Friend Referrals. They win, soloplayers lose, team-players couldnt care less either way.
Hunters made OP this episode in honor of Cayde
@@yamabushido6238 what you mean ? isnt it fun to farm chests till you ahve over 80 urgo sums and only 5 drops of the exotic class item ? isnt that soooo fun ? :)
The issue with prismatic Titan is the end result of bungie pushing them more and more to become a melee class entirely despite Titan players repeatedly telling them this is a bad idea and makes them too one note. Especially doesn’t help that most good Titan aspects don’t really lend themselves to being prismatic-ified
At least not without being too good.
Banner of war and demolitionist come to mind
Add to this, anything that actually makes being that front liner strong, have been nerfed to the fecking ground.
As a Titan main your so right. The only good prismatic builds for Titan are 100% melee focused. Making us 100% melee not only handicaps us to only one type of damage but other builds have suffered because of bungies balancing. I’m hoping that the feedback that they are getting is implemented soon because Titans are only getting worse as more shit is added.
@@Bubba1025 we are add clear specialist
@@dukekemppy5409 Every class can do add clear, Titans are not “Add clear specialists”. The whole shtick for Titan is being a tank and dishing out high DPS. It didn’t matter how you did it in the past as there were options. Now it’s just either melee build or you are gonna fail.
The biggest issue with prismatic titan IMO is just the fact they decided to not include sunspots. Warlock and hunter have aspects that were reworked to work with ANY ability kill (devour, gunpowder gamble, stylish executioner) which is what makes those classes more interesting and titan is just kind of a mesh of random titan abilities that don’t synergies in any interesting ways outside of maybe consecration and knockout. If they included sunspots activating with any ability kill it would open up so much more build crafting options.
Prismatic hunter cant get devour without the exotic gun like everyone else.
@JasperPerri what you mean it's just prismatic hunter and titan, warlock get it with any ability kill, already built in the kit
@@michaelbrown688 yeah. It really makes me want to play prismatic warlock except the new class exotic doesnt give a way to get volitile rounds by default. I feel like prismatic is the master of nothing class. The whole thing is usless ability spam except actually useful abilities. You have to gimmick everything to get anything uselful out of the subclass.
The only fun prismatic titan build I've been using is Second chance, knockout+diamond lance and a headstone bold endings. It specializes in just absolutely spamming diamond lance and when something is beefy use second chance to debuff and shred with the expanding abyss artifact mod.
Oh imagine if we got sunspots and controlled demolition instead, and sunspots worked the same way as the hunters void aspect where any debugged enemy killed will spawn a sunspot. The beauty of it.
I just find it insane that they nerf banner of war strand titans for their insane melee damage and then subsequently release prismatic hunter which is a better melee based class than strand titan was at the peak of its power
Real the new hunter punch build is better than berzerker in its prime
True
and as a hunter/warlock player, I didnt want this and it makes prismatic hunter disappointing. We already had an ok melee build on arc hunter, let the punch class do the punching and give me something cool. The subclass feels very underwhelming with how strong the punch build is because trying to do anything just feels inefficient in comparison because the subclass reads like it was built for melee.
@@ShadowleCato the whole point of prismatic is that you can mix and match different parts of the game to make cool stuff but for titan and hunter, that fell short and there’s only 1 good way to play them both and hunter just doesn’t 4x better. It’s almost like hunter got the class meant for titan
@@ShadowleCatonobody said you have to punch.. if u want to take a less efficient route than do it.. bungie never stopped you from using your guns.. u pretty much saying you don’t have self control to play the playstlye u want..prismatic hunter has a lot of unique builds.. but y’all to lazy to put things together.. and just rather CZcamsrs make builds for you.. smh
What Titans should be: The tanks. The melee and agro pulling. Undefeatable in the heat of combat (unless unable to handle the heat) and keeping the team going.
What Titans are: No identity and just punching with the rainbow.
I say this as a Titan main. Prismatic just went to show and the class item further proves how little we have. At this point, we deserve a complete overhaul to our class that actually makes us *feel* like Titans. And Unbreakable I'd say does take a step in the right direction. If enemy agro didn't stop once activated and didn't have such short range. Same goes with TA if you ignore the horrendous tracking the super has. Thundercrash hits like an electrified wet noodle (even with the chest piece) and Burning Maul with the arms feels nice. Wait...Still a roaming super in which we have 6 of between the 5 subclasses (excluding prismatic) with only one of them being ranged and shit without Sol Invictus.
well, this is what you get when you replace the trinity with cheap gimmicks. Titans become the 3rd wheel nobody needs.
i went back to using strand titan as soon as i saw what prismatic had to offer, bungie doing titans a real disservice, titans had the melee identity since every freakin subclass and most exotics are for punching but everytime titans find a cool niche bam nerfed. strand and banner of war came around finally giving titans their game back melee class was back then bam nerfed. maybe they should just delete titans from the game make it a hunter and warlock free for all
OH MY GOD YES! I actually have talked about a kind of rework for Titans before, where they become the Weapon Master class. Meaning, they create weapon constructs based off of real life Warrior Archetypes. We are already seeing some of this in the current Titan kit as is, with Twilight Arsenal, Banner of War, and all the supers that create weapons. For example, Dual Viking short Axes for Stasis. Have a ranged melee ability like throwing hammer but instead be an axe, you throw it, it sticks in an enemy slowing and eventually freezing, allowing the Titan to shatter the enemy and pick the axe back up. Strand can have a full on Roman Gladiator Super, rocking a Trident and Net. The net to debuff, and the trident to finish off in either close, mid, or even long range with a spear throw.
For a titan rework i would do them more oriented towards defense and crowd control, with support abilities bugfing allied defenses while also being able to take some punishment. I dont care about boss damage. Titan are meant to be the unbreakable walls for the team right
The most genuinely insane part ive not seen a lot of people talk about is STRONG threat generation being on threaded specter…..a hunter aspect.
For YEARS us titans have asked them to let us tank and actually PULL AGRO mechanically and they have always ignored us and acted like it had no place in their game.
Then they gave it to hunters and they called it dogshit.
Lol.
I'm here to argue that arguing is arguably arguable.
That’s a good argument
I disagree
Fantastic lol
Cant argue with that
😂
on the note of prismatic titans, its honestly just shows what little identity they have left
titans are long overdue for a refocus as to what bungie actually wants to give them
yea we could joke for 10 more years about being the punch class but seriously, what do they actually want for titans or are they always gonna get the short end
i really hope bungie does something, ANYTHING that isnt just shoving more melee bs to titans
I think Twilight Arsenal and the Unbreakable Aspect is a good starting point for Titans in a rework
I love going melee bs for titan but now we’re not even the best at it, and we only have strand BoW titan that even comes close to hunters, any other melee build stands no chance
@@updateguypls1088 unbreakable aspect, 100% yes, not so much twilight arsenal. still involves the other half of the super running around in melee range
As a titan main, I mostly just punch and hammer bonk. That's it because that's almost all I have. Now hunters can punch better and do the grapple punch rotation than the class that is all about punching things. So frustrating.
I LIKE being the melee class, but Bungie keeps nerfing our viable melee builds. Meanwhile, Hunters get to run around clobbering enemies like they've got plot armor.
As a Titan main who has been looking for a build, after the first two weeks every single build has consecration and the only way to have survivability is to spend fragments stacking resistances. AFAIK there is no good heal or damage build unless there are adds near you. Would love to be proved wrong.
You are correct…and the first second a teammate steals a kill while you’re in a slam animation the whole thing falls apart lol.
@@Ferrolla This nails it. The Skullfort / Infinite Thunderclap build is so much fun, but I stopped playing it other than solo because people will kill my target unknowingly and then I'm at low health and have to go run and hide or die.
No, it’s just Consecration Knockout. That’s it.
as a Titan main I never understood why Bungie is designing the Titan to be a melee class, but at the same time is adding mechanics that prevent people from getting too close to any big enemy without getting stomped away or getting attacked with AOE attacks. I also hoped that the Titan would finally get any burst super that can deal damage to enemies far away with one activation (like Golden Gun or Nova Bomb)
It’s 2019; We argue about Hive symbols
It’s 2022; We argue about Vow symbols
It’s 2022; We argue where Oryx is at
It’s 2024; We argue whaat a clock is
What’s with mechanic callouts causing so much drama
We, titans, are not the only ones who share a single neuron
dont forget arguing about if atheon is at the back or the front of the room
It's less about the symbols and more about people being insistent that "My way is BETTER than your way!".
"Only my call out makes sense"
Nah it’s the Gen Z lmao they don’t know analog clocks, all they ever had was digital.
Prismatic Titan is easily a mess of hot garbage, namely because none of the aspects work well with one another. Cant use drengers and diamond lance cause one cancels out the other, cant use unbreakable cause that is utterly pathetic in terms of blocking damage compared to other sources, or without some way to super charge your nades, and really the only good setup is the x3 consecration stuff with knockout, which you could do with different stuff. It doesn’t even shatter crystals or hit suspended enemies as far as I recall. If you’re running consecration, you might as well run solar for burning maul pryogales. The only real saving grace for prismatic titan right now is their transcendent nade, which is super good for add clear.
Hell if they wanted to make it better, give it aspects like controlled demo or tectonic harvest.
Consecration does hit suspendes enemies, i don't know what You mean with Stasis lance and drengr's lash cancelling each other, and i do SEE your point but as a Titan Main i do admit it could use a buff to abilitie uptime however is way better than many make it seem specially once You get trancendance, You can use 10 consecration slams in a single cast of trancendance against a boss tier enemy, the thunderclap Stasis lance combo is really good with point contact or skull fort and yes unbreakable is trash
Consecration does hit suspended enemies, and while I think Prismatic Titan is competitive enough for most content, I agree that there's not much room for experimentation because one loadout is clearly the superior way to go.
i recommend trying unbreakable with offensive bulwark and armamentarium on regular void titan its pretty fun
@itsjustgusluna6927 Drengr and diamond lance cancel eachother out: Explained.
Suspend and stasis cannot occur simultaneously
Once a suspended enemy is shattered, it's immediately unsuspended.
Once a frozen enemy is suspended, it is immediately unfrozen.
So you're getting 2 CCs that turn eachother off and you lose both of the upsides of them by using them both, no suspend duration on the former, no shatter if you do the latter.
It just kicks itself in the teeth.
For me all of the F2P example subclass combos were on the class I don't like them on so they're generally not good unless paid for and even then
The problem with Dual Destiny was never the mission. The problem is locking this type of exotic behind it. As simple as that. Give another unlock option, and 90% of the complaints go away.
Side note - it's not just this and raids that cant be done solo any more. It's also the Cooperative Focus missions, which are a requirement for Guardian Rank 7 and up.
I’ve been stuck at 6-7 since guardian ranks released due to just not enjoying playing with with others/not having enough time.
I’m used to being stuck there but I can’t tell you how many times I was so frustrated that Loadout Slots were locked behind Guardian Ranks.
At the very least we got 2 slots more easily thanks to The Final Shape.
But yea, I’m all for the new exotic mission HOWEVER before TFS all we got was ‘These exotic class items will be available through a new activity.’. I saw Overthrow (before release with sneak peeks) and thought that would be the source but nope.
And I’m really bummed about it. I work in customer service and 99% of the time all my social energy is spent by the time I want to play a game and I don’t want to have to play with others.
The problem is solo players
@@Ligmanuttz And with saying things like that, you become the reason people do things solo.
@@scottishboy112 good
@@Ligmanuttz that's rich coming from someone who doesn't know the entire girls' frontline lore
My issue with dual destiny isn’t the mission itself, but the exotic behind it. Exotic class items were advertised as this shiny new cool thing, and nobody knew it was locked behind a two player mission. Had dual Destiny rewarded a new exotic weapon, a type of thing we have seen before, with the exotic class item being earned elsewhere, or if dual destiny wasn’t the only way to get the exotic class item, then the backlash would have been non existent. You have to understand, exotic class items with 2 perks is a brand new thing never seen before. It’s not like raids where we can just get weapons or exotics that are just as good as raid gear elsewhere, or where exotic weapons aren’t a new thing… exotic class items are a new thing. Imagine if Prismatic in TFS, or glaives in TWQ, were locked behind a two player mission. People would be upset at that too.
Related to the Dual Destiny debate that I think you failed to touch on. The locking of Prismatic Exotic Class items behind the Dual Destiny mission despite Bungie heavily advertising the the Exotic as a selling point of The Final Shape.
I don't think Dual Destiny would have received the level of backlash if has if it wasn't the only way to obtain the item. I get the idea of wanting to lock a powerful item behind a equally hard task. It's just a strange move considering how much the item was featured in the marketing.
I have one main issue with the The Pathfinder System...
You used to be able to do repeatable bounties for 10 Brightdust.
Now you need to complete 3 paths before you can unlock a 4th path that offers Brightdust.
This 4th path will always require you to play Gambit or Crucible to complete.
So no more extra Brightdust for me 🙄
I've gotten zero brightdust so far this expansion through pathfinder/bounties, I used to get about 50 brightdust a crucible match through repeatable bounties which were the only bounties I ever took. Just another toxic push towards buying silver.
@@user-tm4yc8gx2k Yeah same. I would do the weekly Xur quest and do 21 Strikes across 3 characters and claim a bit of extra BrightDust that way. Now it's just Eververse Engam RNG and season passes for my BrightDust.
The worst part about the pathfinder system is that as someone who is not competitive in the slightest and has the reaction times of a rock (probably an insult to rocks), I never play PvP because it is the exact opposite of enjoyment.
Theres already been a couple of times where I’ve not been able to do the ritual pathfinder because it’s been blocked off by Crucible or Gambit nodes.
I get what they were going for with the ‘Make you step out of your comfort zone’ but I’d VERY much prefer to just have bounties back for ritual playlists.
Put a tab on the director that has every available bounty already picked up with the option to purchase the repeatables there. Let us do it ANYWHERE.
Think the quest tab but with screens within you can scroll down on to select destinations and their bounties.
Edit: The Pale heart one is fine though, no issues with that.
@@scottishboy112 Yup! For me that is peak annoyance at Pathfinder. Opening week every path required Gambit or PVP but after the first week I think they changed it a bit so that is no longer the case. Since opening week I haven't come across that.
@@cabrita309 I definitely saw the starting one on the second week also require PvP and admittedly, I never checked again until today which does have a couple of paths that aren’t PvP.
Honestly, I think the health increase to all the bosses in dungeons was *more* egregious than the power delta.
Prismatc Titan: No healing grenade. No source of overshields (besides orbs), no banner of war, no source of frost armor (besides orbs).
One thing they could do for Titans is a unique barricade while in transcendance. What if they gave an automatica citan barricade which provided overshield and damage increase. That'd be pretty nice.
There *is* another way to get Overshield, through the "Unbreakable" Void Aspect, but that requires high Discipline to do often, which my Titan doesn't have.
(I mean, it's there, just not really consistent. At least for me.)
@@PorgLord i really try to build into unbreakable with spirit of bear on my stoicism and 90 discipline. The problem is either doing damage or surviving beacause you can pair it with any other aspect (for me its consecration) or knockout. Knockout = u survive even without unbreakable ready to go but that's also not really that much value for your other abilities. If you go with lets say consecration and frenzied Ur not gonna survive a lot without a nade ready. Hunters can both survive better and punch better. Thanks bungie for slowly killing my love for titan
@@Rychu-zo1pw As a Titan main, I wish we had better.
@@PorgLord me too twin me too
Agreed. Needs survivability
A few things
1. As an addendum to Dual Destiny mission the ability of finding people isn't limited to solo player. The ability to find clanmates (or friends) for said activity can be an issue as well. Waiting for content creators or searching for one to runs isn't fun either.
2. Shader system is slightly better (my opinion), still needs improvement.
3. Surges for dungeon/raids is something I look forward to experiencing, however the power delta for them was a bad call.
4. Excision GM needs MM if you need 12 players. As a side note, Excision was a great mission to experience.
5. As a titan main, I am absolutely hating prismatic.
1. get a better clan that actually plays together.
3. They made the game harder, good, there’s mf out there soloing raids and dungeons.
4. No it doesn’t need MM, it just need to be on the fireteam finder.
5. As a warlock main, I’m actually putting time on my titan now because prismatic goes crazy asf and I seen most ppl don’t run the new raid as titan, but titan has the best ad clear for every encounter, let alone doing the rocket chest piece with a bait and switch rocket 🔥
@@boookythegod
1. "Just get a clan."
3. Dungeons are made to be solo'd, solo raid encounters ofc aren't good.
4. No one is finding 12 players that are all good and not just LFG shitters, you're delusional.
5. Titan has 1 good build with consecration, the other classes have multiple that are highly viable. Warlock alone gets any grenade build under the sun, they have getaway artist, they have osmiomancy.
Hunter gets a very good and fun clone build with the threadlings. They get the combination blow builds. They get celestial + Still Hunt.
@@topical6574if people arent going to find good player in fireteam finder wtf do you think will happen with mm?
@@topical6574 yeah, plenty clans out there. Plenty. I Sherpa raids and ppl want to join, feels easy to me atleast.
3. Soooo you didn’t say anything about surges, but surges are a good thing, more dmg for free.
4. I LFG yesterday and got it done, so you’re capping.
5. I started playing titan this season and there’s plenty builds, y’all just all watch the same bs on Yt and don’t put thought into your own loadout, y’all copy other ppl play style, y’all don’t even have your own identity or playstyle, mf are real life Kakashi Hatake 🤣
The most I can do is consecration, and that's about where it ends for prismatic. Neutral exotics like the new rocket one can go on any subclass. Its either a neutral exotic on prismatic, or you're going back to strand or solar. If you can give me 3 builds for prismatic titan that aren't just throwing random shit together and can clear high tier content, I'll concede.
As for surges, eh its whatever. I don't mind being rewarded using different weapons, just that not all surges are built the same, take stasis for example. The only problem is the -5, but that's nothing you can't work around by just accepting you'll have to do another damage phase.
As for LFG, yeah I've just had most bad interactions on it. Its just experiences, they sour the way you look at things, and I'm not really willing to try to find 11 people for it. That's just a me issue, so I'm not going to harp on about LFG.
I just want the ability to search for a shader by name, or sort by season.
Also, I have already completed the triumph in the pale heart for completing pathfinder paths. I would say the pale heart pathfinder is awesome! The ritual pathfinder would be better if there was always a path that allowed you to just play one mode. Top path is vanguard, bottom path is crucible, mixed stuff and gambit in the middle. That way people can play what they want and still make progress
Same here. I've been loving the Pathfinder system in the Pale Heart.
Yeah I can only agree with that, I tend to avoid crucible as much as possible but one of my paths last week had just two crucibles nodes at the end...
Im pretty sure shaders are already organized by season
@@xNeoNxCyaN i think what op meant was a filter by season for shaders.
@@Lamonticus that’s fair tbh there is a lot to go through
I don't mind the design behind Dual Destiny, it looks like a awesome and fun mission, and a great addition to the game. What I dislike is the new exotic class item, which was heavily advertised as part of Prismatic, being locked behind it. It was also said to be "Farmable" but again it is not farmable for the average solo player. So I now have to find a way to do this and not get stressed out just so I can access the last 50% of Prismatic which is the case for many solo players.
I like the idea of surges in dungeons and raids, but hate the power delta because they cancel each other out. If it was just surges and threats, it would encourge players to mix up their damage options, but with the delta, it feels more like a punishment
It feels worth mentioning here that they didn’t just add a power delta, they’ve also substantially upped the health of most bosses. Atheon, for example, went from about 10 million to about 15 million
@haikarawalker6996 and its NOTICEABLE
@@haikarawalker6996 also 🏳️⚧️
@@haikarawalker6996 Geez, that sounds horrible. Plus that's my most hated raid. 😂
@@haikarawalker6996 They looked at our years of slicing Riven's toes open for an easy clear and went "no more of that please" to all bosses.
As a titan main, we need more range dps in our kits. Maybe the new axe throwing super should have aoe dmg/volatile where you throw the axes for their entire duration so youre not always wasting them if you dont pick them up. They should combine thunderclap and slam attack on arc/prismatic because one only functions on the ground and the other only functions in the air. I think the throwing hammer melee should be able to recall back without having to run and pick it up and have it dmg enemies in its path of recall. Need more aspect choices or buff some of the ones we have in prismatic. The void aspect that turns your grenade into a shield should have longer range because it feels you literally have to be holding hands with the enemies to hit them. I know its not suppose to have long range but itll feel useful if it gets buffed by even just 1-2 meters
I wish they would stop leaning solely on a "Warrior" esthetic and remember things like a "Soldier" esthetic. Summoning axes is cool and all, but could have been a gun of some sort. Make Twilight Arsenal feel like some sort of commando vibes.
Fuck the raid changes.The clan i raid with has quite a few casual players. we raided a couple times a week. But since the changes its VARY NOTICABLE. Its vary discouraging for our casual players. Where we would usually do fine on crota we are definitely struggling now. sad to see it in real time pushing players away from raids.
Very*
If you’re struggling at -5 which might as well be nothing at all, you’re so beyond bad it’s comedic
@@Sen-wahYou really going to be that annoying guy that tries to stealth brag about how good you are by putting others down? No one cares.
@@Sen-wah This guy lol.
@@Sen-wahu a bum
I think the problem with Dual Destiny as a solo player myself is the fact they locked an important build crafting piece behind some needing a teammate for. Granted you only need to need to do it once and you can go back to soloing but that initial run is what bugs people out. I personal don't mind doing something with other people if I can farm it by myself afterwards but I see that isn't the case for a lot of people.
I think part of the argument against Dual Destiny is that the reward from doing it is something that was highly anticipated prior to the content's release, and while it's by no means necessary, (let's face it, you could easily run anything short of raids without any exotics equipped at all), it does still have a much broader appeal than most of the other loot locked behind mandatory coop content.
Now, have a lot of people gone overboard with their hate for the content itself, and a lot of their reasoning being simply pure spite over the concept? Absolutely. That doesn't mean that there's not valid concerns hidden among the discussion though. There's also been a lot of blind hate on the other side of the argument, complaining that people who refuse to do it simply need to "learn to talk", and dismissing actual concerns.
On that note, I know from my personal experience as a solo player, but one who is willing to play with others with mics on, trying to use lfg and other resources to do the content has only served to remind me why I prefer to play solo. As many great people as I'm sure there are within the community, there's a lot who simply refuse to work together or who get spiteful if simple mistakes happen.
Well said.
Playing solo, can have Focus time for d2 hour or two at night, spoiling time of relax with like lfg , no way im not ready and willing , bungie with duo mission Wall is just typical bungie crap
@@peterbizik224 But there are probably more of us that don't have an issue with playing with our friends/randos on LFG, why should the game be designed around people that want to play the "mmo lite" solo? The mission is objectively well designed, it'd be a shame for it to not exist just because folks like you can't be assed to play with others. I'm not saying that you should change how you play or anything of the sort, but designing the game to cater to folks like you will inherently limit what the devs can make and I don't really think that's fair to the rest of us, who are likely the majority. You calling it "Bungie crap" comes off ill informed and incredibly selfish.
@@finefornow_ well for ne its bad design, i was playing d1 with clan, including raids, now i cant, i want to have a option to be able to get it, duo mission is Edge case, till now new exotic were bound to solo lost sector, now this is not regural three person fireteam , but just two, when majority of players are not having it - its a bad design, look there a ways no timedownds and single reward ,as is now 50% chance for double reward - but its a crap, bungie goals is to get money from us , thats it
@finefornow_
You’re missing the point. The mission is fine and they should definitely keep dropping new sorts of missions like it, that’s not the issue.
BUT The decision to lock the exotic class items of all things behind it was fucking dumb and is typical “bungie crap”.
As it is, the only way to get them is run dual destiny or mind numbingly farm chests after having completed it and thats it.
You’d think something they went and hyped to oblivion like the class items would have a better more accessible and actually fun way to farm. But nope.
People are already Bitching that Bungie patched the double drop bug and that it’s no longer “worth” farming Dual Destiny as it’s simpler to just grind chests…
For such a “well designed” mission that people were raving about how fun it is, I’ve seen A LOT of people now complaining since they patched the bug that it’s shit and to much effort to farm, for an exotic that’s likely not gonna have the roll they want.
But if the mission is so good, then why are people now not wanting to farm it?
Because while it’s a good mission it’s not something people want to be banging their heads against over and over.
And farming chests is just as bad, no effort, no excitement or fun just a boring grind.
Dual Destiny is a good mission.
But Dual Destiny should NEVER have been the source of the exotic class items, that was a typical retarded Bungie move. And it’s said stupidity from Bungie that’s cause the backlash towards dual destiny.
THIS has always been the issue with Dual Destiny. It was a horrendous choice to make it the source of the class items.
If they had of put a multiple rolled exotic weapon like Ergo Sum behind it no one would care, the mission would still be great, you’d still have a reason to farm it and solos wouldn’t have had a meltdown.
Instead Bungie took one of the most hyped parts of the DLC and locked it behind Dual Destiny, which was ALWAYS gonna piss off the solo crowd which you’ll find is actually a much larger portion of the player base than you’d think.
I mean the fact that less than I think it’s 30% of the player base has even completed a raid kinda highlights that. Raids have typically been the only content that Solos outright could not complete and they also only have a small portion of the player base that actually engage with them.
And like with the other guys comment, if you’ve just got an hour or 2 spare to hop on to try and do a bit of farming for the class items, who wants to have to hit up LFG and pray they get a competent team mate just to end up with 3-4 class items that’ll likely not have the roll your chasing, or the other option just spend that hour or 2 running around opening chests?
Even if you’ve got a good chunk of time to try and farm, as a solo you’ve still gotta go to LFG, hope you find a decent partner to do some runs with, and if they’re only doing 1 or 2 run’s then you’ve gotta go back and find another person and it’s just a pain in the ass. So your always better off just grinding chests which SUCKS.
So no Bungie and their infinite stupidity just made it a shit experience to farm these class items. Thats literally not debatable.
In my opinion, clearing Legend campaign should have given you your first exotic class item and unlocked the ability for you to farm them as guaranteed drops for completing Legend campaign missions.
Or as a random chance drops from completing crucible/trials matches, gambit or vanguard playlist missions/night falls. As well as from chests in the pale heart and as an extra drop from the chests on the witness raid.
This way you’ve still gotta put in work to unlock them, you’ve also got a guaranteed way to grind them that requires a bit of effort. Or you can randomly have them drop from a bunch of activities so that you’re not forced to keep banging your head against a wall running the same shit over and over and over.
And Like I said earlier, Dual Destiny should have just dropped a multi-roll exotic weapon of some sort.
The thing that is killing me about this Dual Destiny debate is no one is upset with the mission requiring two players.
It is the reward behind the mission having been heavily marketed and being essential to build crafting to Prismatic being the issue. It is the first time a piece of exotic armor has not been behind doing a SOLO Lost Sector. Bungie set every single expectation here and then flipped it on people.
Dual Destiny is still a good mission even if it had a different reward. It is so good in fact that it could have had no reward and people would have been raving about it.
Completely agree with your take. The mission is a banger, but forcing everyone to do it on repeat over and over again for 1/64 roll that you want is very much not fun. And i wont even talk about the "but you can get it from chests" arguement that people state cuz at best its 1/70. They need to make an alternate source of recieving the armor or boost the drop chance on chests. Dont want to spend most of my time trying to get an item that will help me start enjoying the game. I want to enjoy the game with said item.
I disagree with almost all of this. If DD had no rewards or even lackluster rewards, that would certainly be the main talking point. I can already hear the “it was an awesome mission, but outside the first playthrough, what point is there to even run it?” comments from basically every content creator.
Also i absolutely refuse to sympathize with people who cannot handle sucking it up for 20-30 minutes to get a good reward
I'm glad there is at least one other intelligent person here.
It baffles me that people don't understand this issue.
@timcal2136 this take can go right in the garbage with you and all of the other idiots who can't comprehend this simple issue
Assuming that this new type of exotic item would drop in lost sectors when they have been bringing all these exotic missions back is just foolish, and if its just people assuming this would be from lost sectors and getting then mad when they are wrong, then that's their own fault so they should just STFU and stop making themselves look stupid
If it had a shit reward people would go apeshit about it being a waste of time, like they have done in the past and of top of all that exotic armor being locked behind quests is not a newer thing and was the norm for most of the games life so you're completely wrong in every regard.
The -5 delta for dungeons really sucks cuz the more hardcore/consistent players won't notice but the more casual or new players will feel it pretty badly. With how much more tanky the bosses in the recent dungeons are I'm really baffled by this design choice.
I’m pretty sure hardcore players will notice when going for solo flawless on dungeons. Solo flawless Ghosts of the Deep will be harder than ever. I really wonder if the multiplicity modifier is the solution for dungeons at the very least. maybe even raids for when people are low manning?
@stentorianlid284 i didnt even know they had the delta until this video
It really is unnoticeable if you are mildly competent.
people are just overreacting
@@abserd01so then why did they do it then
@@abserd01 Hardly noticeable is just blatantly wrong. I'm someone that enjoys 3 manning raids, soloing dungeons flawlessly just for the fun of it, and the occasional speed run. That power delta is massively noticeable, not just in raids/dungeons, but simple things like playlist strikes. The amount of things that went from "that fucking tickles" to "now it kills me in 3 hits???" is actually staggering. The battleground strikes alone were the most noticeable, I used to be able to just stand in a hive Guardian wizards grenade and not give two fucks, now? You can't even let it tick twice or you're dead. The delta is noticeable, I think you either haven't played enough or are ignoring it for the sake of being a champion of bungie.
@@abserd01 i didn't notice the power dip until Simumah's shields weren't knocked out in one arbalest shot. That was when I mentally panicked hard. Still was pretty easy though.
Only things I'm really in a position to comment on right now are-
For the Shader system, if we got a diagram from Bungie detailing which part of the icon is applied to which material (ie right wedge is applied to fabric parts, bottom for organic/bone, color lines around the center apply to lights) and it's consistent across all shader icons, it would be a big help for determining drip going forward.
For the Ritual Pathfinder system, it would ease a lot of tension and annoyance from players if each of the 3 modes (Vanguard, Crucible, Green mode) are separated to different elevations on the wedge. Like Vanguard tasks around the top, PvP tasks around the bottom, and everything else in between. That way, completion would be simpler each reset without players feeling forced to engage in all 3 just for 1 completion path.
A lot of people are missing the point on the dual destiny problem. The issue is not that that the mission can only be done solo. The mission is awesome. Please Bungie make more content like this. The issue is that a highly marketed item that is a huge part of success the new subclass is gated behind a non solo experience. Having these class items were a factor for a lot of people when buying Final Shape. At the very least Bungie should have been more clear.
I don't think people are mad about the mission existing, I think people are mad that's the only way to get the class item unlocked after Bungie hyping the community about it existing
I could care less about the mission itself. I'm just upset that exotic armor is starting to be locked behind an unfriendly mission.
Raids and dungeons are fine but locking exotic missions is a bit far. It's very annoying to get excited for an exotic quest to only find out you can't access it is really not a good feeling.
You literally only have to do it once per character it's really not a big deal@theremnants6807
@@theremnants6807Just do it once lol
@@theremnants6807 You can't access it? What do you mean?
@@theremnants6807 its one of the easier exotic missions we've gotten + its a fuckin MULTIPLAYER GAME. Social Anxiety has no place in a game about teamwork and communication. Especially when its just your voice, not even your face.
Use Fireteam Finder or LFG ffs. Takes 5 minutes to find someone to talk to. Make some damn friends people.
As for Dual Destiny, I do think it´s a cool concept and the mission looks fun, but, as a someone with no friends and crippling social anxiety I do wish there was another way of getting the class item, that could be done solo.
Frankly, Dual Destiny is basically built like a 2 person Raid, and like Raids the cooperation is key to the activity. You're simply going to have to either suck it up for the half hour you need to complete the mission once, or accept that the exotic class items, like Raid Loot, is something you're simply never going to have access too.
It'll take you just 30-40 mins and you can get a class item, it's not that hard at all
@@e.vilcorp This is as tone-deaf as telling someone 'just cheer up and stop being clinically depressed.' It...doesn't work like that.
Just grow a pair and talk to people ffs.
In my opinion the "Problem" with the mission isn't the mission itself, it's making it the base requirement to get the exotic classitem. The heated reactions are stupid, but i hope bungie isn't surprised that there are people who are not happy, that the new shiny armor thing, which was marketed as a cool and unique feature of prismatic is put behind an activity that requires LFG or friends. As far as i know so far only some exotic weapons required a team until now, so a "warning" would have been nice.
Prismatic Titan has a saving grace: Insurmountable Skullfort is absolutely frickin’ bonkers. You don’t need to charge your Thunderclap for most enemies. It cleaves. It heals. It provides damage resist. It creates Diamond Lances like candy, and thus lots of Transcendence. *It has no cooldown.* It was a dream for the day one raid.
Sounds nice, do you have a build you could share?
True. I tried Insurmountable Skullfort after months of keeping it in my inventory.
It works great for thunderclaping infinitely until you thunderclap a beefier guy, where that Target doesn't get killed.
It's ability to instantly refund all the melee ability charge on even one kill is great. If only Bungie doesn't touch it, like all the other Titan exotics and abilities it has touched and ruined over the span of last year.
@@telephones3 It’s really modular. Just need Knockout and Diamond Lance.
The problem with dual destiny isn't the mission it's the reward locked behind it
Hunters are still trying to pretend that they aren't bungie's favorites
Use to be Warlocks. Seens after the layoffs it seems bias's are more shifted. Poor Titans
We're dad's favorite mom said so
Hunters: Has the best melee setup with literal infinite uptime and invis on melee kills that can 1 shot anything below a master level champion with zero meaningful nerfs
Warlocks: Flat out had the best build in starfire protocol for ANY activity for 3 years before being nerfed
Titans: Can't even go 1 update without having even mediocre stuff like bubble be taken out back and shot.
It's not bias, just a lack of vision. Bungie sees Titans as the melee class and they have no idea what to do for us beyond the same shit they've had before.
@judgementkazzy7172 it is nice... until you either whiff a punch from an inch away because you have no lunge with out dodging or cross counter does not proc because you punch a large foes feet.... both leaving you on convent pancake range.
Regarding the power delta change and the surges: I’m primarily a solo player, cuz I play after I finish with Uni stuff and I can’t really be bothered to consistently get people in a group so I can farm dungeon loot, cuz my luck is the equivalent of smashing 10,000 mirrors whilst holding a black cat (not good). For example, I am currently sitting on 167 (solo) clears of the first boss of Warlord’s Ruin, with 27 of those being Indebted Kindness, non of which had voltshot. 219 clears of the Cube room in Prophecy for the Smg with Onslaught, I got one, but then found out that Onslaught sucks on that weapon and I should have been farming the Auto instead. Sitting at 375 solo clears of Unlocking the Vault for an Adrenaline Junkie plus demo Unforgiven, finally got one, but it has arrowhead break and full bore as the barrels and extended mag and alloy mag as the magazine options, with a reload masterwork which is the silver lining. To cut a long story very short, for me as a solo dungeon enjoyer, all the changing of the power delta does is make my experience take longer. A boss I might two phase (looking at you Gahlran), it’s now a three or if I’m unlucky, a four phase. Same goes for surges, which essentially mean I’m throwing away potential damage by conforming to a load out, but by changing my load out, I end up altering the method I’m used to completing the encounters with, which might make me perform worse. All in all, it’s annoying and will just increase the amount of time it takes for me too complete an encounter or increases the amount of times I die due to enemies doing more damage. 3/10 change.
I think it should be made clear that no solo player has an issue with the mission design of Dual Destiny, the issue is that it's the only way to unlock the exotic class item. There has never been another exotic armor piece in all of Destiny's history that you could not acquire solo. For 10 years, we've all understood the only exotics that needed teams to acquire were raid exotics, and for everything else you could play your own way.
IMO, if they really felt they needed a mission like this, they should have swapped the drop sources of Ergo Sum and the exotic class items. It would have been far less annoying if the reward from Dual Destiny was a niche weapon rather than the exotic armor that was a main selling point of the DLC
In D1 there were exotic class items, most acquirable solo iirc
Divinity??? Raids exotics???
@@CutiePie232 I literally said the only exceptions were raid weapons
@rico993 they're probably that guy on LFG who doesn't read the post either.
Answer to destiny shader system make each shader a mini color palette and allow us to choose like in WARFRAME. Its not like bungie hasn't been using warframe ideas already.
Dude I said the same thing! It would be so much better
Nah man destiny has a better shading then warframe. In warframe if I want my drifter to have brown pants that's just unattainable because of how DE sets their shading system. In Destiny if I want brown pants I get brown pants and don't have to worry about some places on my arms and chest getting brown splotches
The existence of dual isn't bad, I'm glad players can enjoy it. Locking such a big feature of prismatic behind it was the bad move that people complain about. Should've put a weapon or catalyst in it instead.
I feel like the Ergo Sum catalyst should have been the reward for beating Duality. Euphona should stay the raid reward, and a catalyst for that should have been the GM Excision reward. That would balance everything....that and having difficulty options. I think those two things would solve all of the problems everybody is having atm.
Exactly, it feels like people purposefully misrepresent the argument about duel destiny to further the "whining" argument. People were pissed that something that was such a huge selling point of TFS with no forewarning was locked behind a duo required mission when so much of this player base is toxic as hell.
@@dionstewart7394 I'd even advocate to make the mission harder for solo players if Bungie in another reality gave it a solo option, I'd farm that shit if it meant not having to deal with the worst game community I have ever been in.
@topical6574 I'd be cool with that to be honest. There are too many toxic players in the community to make wanting to be on the mic with them enjoyable. That's literally the only issue folks with social anxiety have with the concept. When players would rather start yelling or degrading another player because it may not be clicking for then or maybe they did something incorrectly, the experience sucks.
@@topical6574You nailed it. It’s so refreshing to see others that get it!! No matter how difficult I did exotic quest solo. They were tough at the start, but every failed attempt made me better. Zero hour legendary was so difficult when it first came out. The best player of the fireteam left us when he saw how slow we were. I don’t blame them. But that made me play the quest everyday until I get better. I really love that part of destiny
I wish they just added another way to get the class items that's solo friendly. I don't even wanna take dual destiny from anyone. My ideal scenario is make a one time solo method that can't be farmed and let people that have others to play with keep dual destiny with guranteed drops, hell, if you feel cheated through it, why not just keep 2x drops around officially without some weird glitch so y'all can farm that while we solo players can at least unlock it and then farm through overthrow or whatever drops it in the pale heart. I want to make it completely clear that I'd do anything for this other than enter fireteam finder.
Why
@@connorshepler132 Because then solo players can get the class item. I don't think there's any reason not to implement some way to get class exotics solo
@@Fuer64 my apologies. I meant why did you want to do anything other than use fireteam finder
@@connorshepler132 Oh, sorry. I don't wanna use fireteam finder because from what I've seen the D2 community is very toxic and, since I don't have a mic, I doubt I'd even be able to find anyone willing to try.
This is more about playing solo vs fireteam finder but I also prefer being solo because then it only costs my time when I fuck up and it just doesn't feel as bad when I'm only wasting my own time.
They should honestly just make it accessible in pale heart and a guarantee from the mission.
so far my ability to solo dungeons has been kneecapped so hard that i am basically stuck waiting for the surge to roll over to solar just to have a opportunity to attempt a solo as ive only successfully done one after years of trying only to find out that i am back at square one with the new damage reductions and surges forcing me into builds i don't like/physically don't have enough damage output to handle the dungeon
Already really tired of every single witness checkpoint requiring all hunters with still hunt and celestial.
This just isn't true though
Nah would rather a goated titan than a shitty hunter
@@BruhExe-kh2bv I mean I'd agree usually, but most Titans are gonna want to try and play their new Prismatic subclass. I'd take a shitty hunter over a good Prismatic titan, unfonrtunately.
@@topical6574 that's a problem how?
Now you know how us warlocks felt.
I think the issue is locking the exotic class item behind a quest that can't be done solo. This is a very unique item. Its not like a weapon or normal piece of exotic armor. We haven't had an exotic class item in D2 and one that literally allows you to have multiple perks from different exotic armor pieces, that is pretty wild. I know many people were so hyped by this that they opted to buy the expansion and I can't blame them cuz its incredible and opens up the door for a whole lot of fun builds.
This issue is amplified by Bungie not letting people know ahead of time that this quest would be co-op only. Now of course I don't want all the secrets to the expansion spoiled but given how many things that told us about before the expansion dropped I feel like this would have been one of the first things they talked about when bringing up the exotic class item. It almost feels like the purposes held back that information to make sure no one back out on buying the expansion.
Now personally I completed this shortly after it was available. I suffer from neurological disorders that make missions like this very frustrating. (It's the reason I've only run VoW twice) However, this was not as bad as I thought and I have to assume if you are not like me it was even easier. That being said, knowing that I'd need someone to do this with every time has made it so I never want to run this mission again. I basically decided that it's easier to do something as boring as farming chests than running a co-op mission. Feeling this way truly sucks because the mission is very cool.
My thoughts as a casual who should probably be booted from the game completely:
1. I would rather chug molten glass, let it solidify in my stomach, and be punched in the gut than LFG to run Dual Destiny, and I’ve accepted that I’m never getting the exotic at this point. That being said, everyone else talking about it sounds like they had a ton of fun, which has made coming to terms with this a lot easier.
2. I’m already getting used to the new shader system, and honestly I’m kind of liking it. Hard agree with the sentiment that nothing will be perfect, though.
3. I already never raid due to having no friends and enjoying other activities more. The higher bar for entry just further drives the idea of “this content isn’t for you” into my head.
4. I’m not feeling the playlist pathfinders being merged into one. I avoid PvP like the plague as is, so having to add it to my weekly grind isn’t something I appreciate. Separate the pathfinders, but it would admittedly be cool for another higher-reward track that merges them all to exist. Maybe then I’d queue for Crucible and Gambit again.
5. Yeah. We kind of expected Prismatic Titan to blow, and getting my hands on it hasn’t changed much. It sucks to be proven right when you so desperately wanted to be proven wrong, but that’s just the way it is. I don’t care if Hunters and Warlocks stay as powerful as they are, I would rather they be the high bar that we get buffed to than we be the low bar that everyone gets nerfed to.
Honest question: you don't raid, you don't pvp or gambit, you (presumably) don't do other multiplayer activities like GMs... what do you play?
Using LFG for the mission is really not that bad bro. I got a very helpful and friendly guy to guide me through it on my first attempt, and we ran through it easily. You literally just have to do the mission once, and after that, you can just farm it from just about anywhere with chests in the Pale Heart.
@@life-destiny1196 Strikes, the odd Nightfall here and there, I’ve been working on filling in the gaps in my collections so I’m doing a lot of Legend Lost Sectors and Vex Incursions, and aside from that I play around a lot with different builds and setups. Right now, I’m farming Overthrows so I can get an Ergo Sum with Caster Frame and Wolfpack Rounds.
@@life-destiny1196 I'm same way as this guy except you can add in that I can never seem to get my power level high enough fast enough.
And I can tell you that it's as much about being a burden to the fireteam/clan as it is anything else. I die a LOT because I'm not a terribly good player. After 8 years, I still primarily wearing Nezarec's Sin and won't use any gun unless it's void. After 3 weeks of TFS, my power level has largely settled in around 1960(counting the points from the seasonal artifact) and I'm not getting upgrades very much because I don't raid, Dungeon or push nightfalls. I don't even push Legendary lost sectors because I die so much. So my play sessions consist of overworld, vanguard Playlist and Gambit(sometimes). The only time I bother with PVP is when it's Mayhem or Scorched.
@@life-destiny1196 its called being an extremely casual player.... they do exist... we just dont hear from them very often...
might be a hot take, but i think prismatic warlock got the best build variety and actually embodies weaving light and dark. Hunters may have gotten Still hunt and mega buffed combination blow, they also got the worse selection of grenades from the light subclasses, and all their aspects with the exception of gunpowder gamble (and arguably Stylish Executioner) highly encourage close range play with typically frustrates my friend as he hardly gets to reliably use his build when I am on warlock and throwing a buffed storm grenade every 5 seconds. on Warlock I am actually breaking out exotics like Crown of Tempest and Getaway Artist that I have never really used before. Now granted Feed the Void is so good that it is an auto pick on every one of my warlock builds and that hampers some of the flexibility, I have very good builds for each of the other aspects.
I think what really bothers me about Dual Destiny is that the team that I used to run with - long time friends - have all quit playing, because Destiny has been such a hot mess over the years. I've basically stuck it out, and I still enjoy the solo content, and I've pugged my share of raids and GMs etc, but I'll be honest with you, I have *zero* interest in getting mic'd up for some randos, and I honestly think that Destiny's Fireteam Finder is the worst LFG tool I've ever seen. To have one of the main selling points of the new expansion be gated behind having friends who play rubs salt in the wound.
I've accepted that I'm not going to raid anymore, and I don't expect the game to be built around my preferences, but gating major(new) parts of the expansion behind forced co-op is pretty rough. Give me a slower solo way to unlock the exotic class items and I won't complain.
The only thing that i wish they would have changed is make the traveler locations patrol zones and have others in there with me. it feels so empty by myself
It made sense during the campaign, but after that... nah.
Agreed. This is my buggest gripe with the expansion. It feels so empty
I say this with everything for the most part, but bungie is fully capable of having randoms show up in your instance, it should literally just be an option for every destination to have randoms on or off
Yep. After you complete Excision, the destination should be open to everyone type. Since, canonically you go in with 12 players in Excision, so guardians have already arrived inside the Guardian. Even the NPCs have arrived in the campaign.
I went in blind and I REFUSE to believe anybody immediately went to clock callouts on their first clear. The final room shows a full clock of nodes, and after seeing that I would get it. But you see 9 nodes around a pyramid you do NOT immediately think of a clock. I refuse.
My two cents: Matchmaking should exist for every activity, alongside lfg. That way, everyone can get what they want. Wanna lfg? Go for it. Want to matchmake? Go for it.
I agree with this. I wanted to do the GM Excision last night to ran it with random teams from FF and none of the teams was listening to the surge advice or heals or just any tactics in general and we would lose so many lives at the very beginning. I finally got with a 6th squad and we rocked it so hard that between the 1st and last encounter we juggled about 19-15 lives in stock. It went from seeming impossible with those first groups to being fun as hell with a coordinated squad. The crazy part is that no one was even on mics or even really using text chat. People just went in with decent builds based on what the surges and stuff were and followed each other's lead.
Picture this. You get matchmaking everywhere. You load up into matchmade master Vow. 2 players are not on comms. Another one is bounty farming. One more is just sitting there while everyone attempts. You have no power to kick them, since it is matchmade, so you report. Nothing happens. You have now wasted your time. Matchmaking does not need to exist for everything because not everything is for everyone. It’s already difficult enough in strikes or crucible when you feel like the only person pulling your weight and y’all want to add that to activities that have revive tokens, timers, and complex mechanics?
if I may offer something as well, if we're going to push for matchmaking for Higher difficulties, can we also push for Matchmaking being Optional in lower difficulties as well? I would very much enjoy it if I could run Vanguard Strikes Solo, so I can do them at my own pace without "Joining Allies" appearing every few minutes, and, I won't have to worry about fighting over kills for Bounties and other Objectives.
@@Saint_Roscoe picture this: instead of you worrying about what OTHER people get to experience in game, you just lfg and never have to worry about it.
And on the flipside, Matchmaking should be optional for every activity, including strikes.
If you really wanna go crazy with it, make a private match mode for strikes because why the hell not.
Yeah, our melee class is being outdone by another class. They nerfed our exotics and melees for us specifically and then hand out perfectly working versions to everyone else. Smh.
No way we are crying about titan when it's been the best PVE class for over a year and is STILL currently the best PVP class in the game. No fucking way.
It's ironic the people who play The strongman class end up always being the biggest baby about nerfs
@@FlashesSoccer011 you must have rocks for brains if you think any of that is true
We titans aren't necessarily complaining about the nerfs in particular. We're complaining that we got shafted on BoW Titan, while Hunter got a way better version, that deals more damage than we ever did. The other problem is that our class identity is constantly being nerfed on our class. Seriously, try taking on a group of adds with just your melee. It's not really viable. Doesn't help that cooldowns were nerfed into the ground in FS.
@@FlashesSoccer011 Best PvE class for years?!?
What are you smoking and where can i get it?
Warlocks with Well, Turrets or Threadling and Hunters with GG, Tether or Liar's Handshake have been outperforming almost every Titan Build for years.
The one strong thing we still have is Consecration, since with the nerf to Banner of War, Strand Titan Melee Build is outclassed by hunter melee builds.
Titan Main since 2014 here: prismatic titan feels weak because they chose our weakest / least flexible aspects.
It's stupid to NOT run knock out. It's your only healing.
I'm just annoyed cuz there's so much build crafting that could be happening but noooippppppeee..... I got knock out and ... Concentrate
I think updates to prismatic (new aspects, upgrades to transcendant) will favor titans in PVE; we want the banner of war equivalent update for titans on prismatic
totally agree. Hunter and Warlock have so much build crafting potential meanwhile titan only has consecration/thunderclap and some very niche stuff
It's not impossible to build around the limitations but it still doesn't feel that great to be a Titan main rn. we got a shied as a new aspect when both the hunter and warlock aspects are entertaining and useful. I believe we should have had sunspots not knockout and touch of thunder to replace it.
Yeah a lot of the titan aspects for prismatic titans lack synergy. Like seriously, who in there right mind would run Unbreakable on prismatic
@@TickTock725Okay, the shield is actually really cool. Finally, Titans have a consumable grenade.
I will only weigh in the clock question because my partner and I literally did BOTH things. The first puzzle, where there are nine switches, we counted 1-9, from left to right, going counter-clockwise. For the second time you see that puzzle mechanic with 12 switches, we immediately interpreted that as a clock, with 12 at the top. Like, we didn't even have to discuss it. We just interpreted it that way because that's how the two puzzles made sense to us.
My issue with Dual Destiny is not and never was the concept. Bungie hit the exotic mission out of the park, just as they did with TFS, and I hope that they create more. Where my problem lives, and what made me decide to finally quit Destiny, was the fact that Bungie placed the only exotic class item and an item that is such a great benefit to the new Prismatic class behind that mission.
I'm kinda split on dual destiny, i personally liked the mission (though I don't wanna rerun it) but as someone with social anxiety i already struggle with even asking people i know to run stuff with me let alone strangers in a game that sadly has way to many shitty people in thr community, plus i struggle with ADHD and slight speech impediments so the boss room clock moves a bit to fast for me which makes callouts really hard for me and doing that with a stranger sounds like an absolute nightmare
My friend and I used 1-9, then clock but when replying the mission we considered switching it up
REALLY not a fan of the power delta changes in dungeons and raids. I tried prophecy solo, which normally I have no issue with my friends, but found the taken nights fairly tanky and the damage received was much more than expected, especially in such a small, enemy dense area (looking at you, Phalanx Echo). First boss on warlords ruin genuinely feels too much of a slog - each damage phase I could do about 1/8 if I REALLY tried to min max. Not tried raids since pantheon, however I can imagine people getting quite heated if you’re not rocking the damage surges
I think the shaders are a bit better, but it’s still difficult to figure out which colour represents which “channel” so if they had a number or maybe a letter such as L for leathers, M1 for the first set of metals etc it would help a lot. But it’s hard to see the ^ and v colours, so I’d redesign it completely, making the icons much larger and having the seasonal icon on the top corner like equipment does, to make it easier to recognise shaders in the new design
My problem with the double mission is bungie pushes you to either plsy solo (legend lost sectors) or full 3-6 man teams. NEVER have we been forced to play with just 2 ppl.
It's not the duel destiny mission that's the problem it's that they locked the exotic class item's behind it after advertising them as part of prismatic
Who the f cares?!?!!
What does that even mean they didn’t advertise them as part of prismatic, they advertised them as only working with prismatic and that you’d be able to farm for it as much as you wanted by doing an activity
If you can’t clear the mission just say that lmao y’all expect everything given, how about play the game? Complaining about dual destiny… I can tell you 1 don’t read, because you just gotta beat it once and farm overthrows ( really just open any chest on the pale heart I just do overthrows because chest spawn in after obj and you can open random chest along the way ) Classic case of Get better at the game and stop whining.
See how toxic this community is.and you wonder why nobody wants to use lfg and play with people like you no thanks
@@caseyjackson4442 you’re crying because you don’t got a free exotic class item, go grind like everyone else did wtf lmao toxic because you can’t handle the truth? I can tell you don’t raid or nothing, I get called racial slurs that have nothing to do with me, know what I do? Top the dps chart and tell em smd when we wipe and leave lmao grow a pair, stop being soft and get better at the game.
I love the mission i hate that a majority of exotic dificulty is the timer i hate timers they ruin the missions
For real, I just want to enjoy the area and explore a bit. Appreciate bungie's work. But no. Gotta keep moving.
It's a pretty lenient timer. The only time I hit it was on the first run when we literally didn't know the mechanic for the 1-9 room; I don't think I've ever finished with less than ten minutes left, though apparently a Lucent wizard spawns in the boss room if you're short on time and you can kill it for a couple more minutes.
@@life-destiny1196 that's not the point all these amazing locations and you cant even enjoy them due to the timer like tjis mission zero hour wisper even the cabal one
@@sinfulsindg*Vox Obscura. Also hard agree.
I think the real issue with prismatic Titan is that one of the aspects is genuinely useless, and we all know which one I mean because everything else synergises wonderfully in my opinion (granted it’s not as flashy as its prismatic siblings on warlock and hunter but I digress). I do find it slightly irritating that the twilight arsenal has such awful tracking and that there’s so little on the class item that synergises with thruster, but still the glaring problem is that the new void aspect is terrible in all applications and doesn’t warrant its own use (I like the power fantasy but the strength isn’t there yet).
Now because im addicted to this game I’ll propose a solution to the main problems; first being all class ability related exotic perks on the stoicism class item work with thruster, second being better tracking on void axes (I do not want to hit the thrall behind me I want to hit the beefiest target in my line of sight or better yet, THE TARGET in my line of sight), third being unbreakable either grants immunity or grants grenade energy based on damage absorbed and a bigger amount of DR and a longer duration (it’s a full grenade charge come on), and finally just something for the fun of it to let people customise prismatic more and take it exactly where they want it I propose a very challenging way to swap out aspects and abilities for another from the same class (this could be done via spending an amount of a special currency acquired from completing GM variants of the pale heart strike at the place we first acquired prismatic in the lost city).
These are all just opinions please don’t take me super seriously, I’m more than happy to debate them just not in a heated way :)
I still think that the only reason people really hated Dual Destiny is just because it was a surprise. What I mean by that is Bungie never told anyone that the 2 player restriction would be a thing and we didn't find out until the mission itself was out. Sure we could maybe infer that from the name, but we wouldn't know for sure until it was playable. I think if they do more missions like this in the future but just TELL people about the fireteam limitations beforehand, people wouldn't be as upset because they'll know what to expect.
My biggest gripe with duel destiny is the class item playing with others doesn’t give me anxiety being behind the mission regardless of if you only have to do this once or not. Playing with others doesn’t give me anxiety but timed missions do on Destiny 2 because I worry more about beating the clock instead of focusing on the task at hand. The class item bring heavily marketed with prismatic for TFS then being put under a difficult mission that not everyone can or wants to do just seems like a bad job outta Bungie. IMO either take out the timer or add a special checkpoint that can only be used once per character and can not be shared (technically not sure if that’s possible) once you get to the boss would fix the issue. Don’t @ me with comments about there being enough time or “git gud” because not everyone has the same skill level and what’s easy to some is difficult to others.
The timer is pretty irrelevant tbh. I usually finish every encounter with plenty of time left. It's only there if you REALLY struggle
The timer is for decoration it will only apply if you’re stupidly slow at doing the mission
In dual destiny, the timer might as well not exist, i finished the mission with 40 minutes on the clock
Literally git gud , the timer is just there for decoration besides the first time because you need to figure out the encounters. Unless you are terribly slow and clearly not able to do mildly challenging content you are not going to have any problem
@@elixir478 we get to the final boss and usually have about 13 minutes left and deal with truggling lfgs or connection issues It’s weird af.
My best friend and i have been playing for half a decade now without a 3rd player. Dual Destiny felt like our recompense for years of activities built for 3. Best mission we've ever played.
We work nights, so while we have 4 ppl in our group that's mostly weekends due to our schedule it's usually just the two of us and we've loved it for that same reason
I so whole heartedly agree. Me and my buddy were giggling like idiots while pvping each other at the end. I found the whole thing to be genuinely enjoyable and wayyyyy easier than other exotic missions.
@powerhouseguitar when we got to the end we were both so confused, and just stared at each other saying "uuuuuuuuuh" until i realized i was holding an eager edge sword and just deleted him. We both just sat there cackling for like 5 minutes
My best friend quit the game years ago. I have now done the same. I'm happy for you but there are core design decisions in this game that shove a lot of people away.
PSA for titans on final boss for the raid: you CAN hit the boss with Twilight Arsenal (shouldn’t matter where you hit em but aim for the crit spot just incase). Not only is it doing a good bit of damage, but it also applies a weaken debuff. We aren’t the useless fellow crayon enjoyers!
For shaders, think of the icon as having layers that correspond to armor layers. The innermost color (small diamond) represents the outermost armor layer (usually metal and accents). The next color, behind that small diamond, is the layer beneath, and the background colors follow the old shader system. The mini arrows indicate the colors of lights on the armor.
This works for a vast majority of shaders, though not all are perfect.
5:24 what a breath of fresh air hearing someone speak those words. whoever coined the terms "unalive" need to be punished
Platforms censoring everything and punishing creators who say things that aren’t family friendly should be punished
@@empiyrr2133 yeah they both deserve it
People are much less upset about the way the mission is structured as a 2 player mission. They're more upset about the exotic class item being locked behind it
*Edit because I forgot this in the first thought. If the class item wasn't locked behind the 2player mission, there wouldn't even be an argument about it. Solo players just wouldn't play it, and group players could still play it all they want
Thats the thing for me, I used to have a large set of friends to run these kinds of missions but since Lightfall they have all left and I have gone fully solo. So short of using LFG's I have zero way to get the new exotics, which is lame. Having exclusive rewards for these kinds of missions is a great idea, but something this central to the new subclass to get it to full power but by only doing it once is not the way to go about it IMO.
Wahhhhh
Yeah. And how it was advertised, or lack thereof, to us. If these class items were never advertised and were found in Dual Destiny, maybe less people would be made because we wouldn't be expecting anything else? Or, if we were told straight up it would require 2 players? Either way, it feels like Bungie felt like if they were upfront, less people would've pre-ordered, and with Sony breathing down their necks they didn't want a low turnout.
I've given plenty of ways to accommodate solo and disabled players, and every single gatekeeper just shoot them down because they want to protect their precious "MMO but not really a MMO but totally a MMO if you squint sideways on Sunday at 13:45 AM during a Blood Moon" game. Personally, I'm ready for Destiny 3 at this point. Maybe when the gatekeepers move onto Destiny 3 while everyone else is playing Destiny 2, they'll be forced to crawl back and know what it's like to not be accepted.
@@SealFormulaMaster if you really think they knowingly hid that the exotic class item would be behind a two-player mission to save pre-orders... I need some of what you're drinking lol
@TraumaTrae They absolutely did. At no point while talking about the exotic armor did they ever even hint that the mission it would be tied to would require 2 players. Every other way to get exotic armor pieces can be done solo, but not this one. It was intentionally vague to not hurt pre-order sales.
The shader icons weren't really the issue. Sure, a shader with no orange in it then having orange on your armor is misleading, but whatever. Also, about the third shader I previewed post icon change had this issue. So, really nothing was solved here, but now I'm unfamiliar with the look of all the shader Icons.
What really makes shader surfing bad is the lack of filtering options, no search bar, and awful page flipping speed. Talking to your friend and they say "Hey, look at the Seven Sisters Shader, it has stars all over it" "Okay, great, what page is it on?" "I don't know, I have it favorited." Great. I'll look through hundreds of shaders one by one. The collections tab has shaders at least somewhat grouped. You can expect to find crucible shaders mostly together, and almost all of them are some form of red. But then crucible shaders in the customization menu are anywhere and everywhere.
The UI, in-fact, much more than only the customization UI, need a lot of overhaul. slowly shifting tabs to get where you need was annoying 10 years ago, it hasn't changed in the slightest, but now there are more places to navigate than ever, making it even worse.
4:13 I've used fireteam finder, but I have never once found it to be a friendly environment. I mean sure I get a team for a dungeon now and again, but literally no one talks, so throughout an entire dungeon, no one talks. I mean I haven't even bothered to get the dual destiny mission unlocked. In my opinion fireteam finger is not a place to go and make friends, in fact it is the worst place to do it, and I've used fireteam finder over 50 times by now, and not once has anyone ever jumped on the mic and wanted to just chat, nor have I ever found anyone to send a friend request to.
I wonder if half the d2 community is below the age of 12 and thus have never seen an analog clock before in their life
Most analog clocks just straight up say the number as well. The only thing you have to know, is what the hands mean, as far as the Hour, minute, and second. This requires you to count, as well as your teammate to count, for a synchronized input. I assure you, I as well as many others, are quite capable of counting. It's just that you barely have enough time to do so.
@@Asgaardiangatekeeper you cant read an analog clock without the numbers on it? wow... that seems slightly embarassing but the fact that this is even a discussion seems embarassing...
The only issue I had with the clock was the last one that changes like every few seconds. And once my partner and I realized it cycles the same few patterns it was a lot easier.
@@d43m0n412 I can't at a glance while focusing on a clown car of trash mob that spawned. I can read a clock just fine, I can also count just fine. Your argument is bordering on "what? You don't have an eidetic memory"
You can screech all you want, but we can go over the numbers.
@@d43m0n412 Also, clocks don't reset themselves to a random time every 5 seconds, and require two people to call the highlighted hours at the same time. How many other ways do you want me to point out how this isn't about simply "reading a clock"? Feel free to flap your gob some more and add absolutely nothing to the conversation.
you can't solo cooperative focus either, which becomes a barrier to get Microcosm
While true, Most solo people would never care if an exotic weapon is locked behind content that needs multiple people. All raid exotics have been off limits forever. Locking half of the prismatic subclass(exotic class item) behind a dual mission is crappy.
@@1shaggy123 Exactly, when I saw people talk about that one stasis solar double barrel for example I just thought "oh cool, can't get that but it looks fun :)" but like locking half the buildcrafting for a subclass behind the first non-soloable exotic quest without ever even stating that it's not obtainable to solo players is kinda shitty.
@@Fuer64 Correct.
Even if you get the Microcosm the bonus damage after the super end's basically useless in a raid/dungeon unless we having overcharge tracer riffles as the modifier
@@csorbalaszlo1920 Hey its a pretty damn good weapon, I've been topping DPS in a couple dungeons recently, just by holding fire.
My one and only issue with the mission is the timer. I hate being timed. I don’t want to play at the games pace, I want to play at my pace and being forced to rush regardless of the amount of time, it’s just annoying. I don’t care if there was an hour in each part of it, the very fact I’m timed is annoying. Beyond that, from what I’ve seen of the mission it looks great and fun, I’m just not likely to do it cause of the timer.
I was frustrated at first as a solo player but once I knocked it out once with fireteam finder. I farm exotic class items in the pale heart consistently which is pretty nice.
I think the mission requiring 2 people to complete is fine, but i think you should still be able to launch ut solo even if its not possible to complete. 1) i imagine some people would find a way to glitch, exploit, or brute force solo it given the chance. 2) any other activity considered impossible without enough players can still be loadd into. No one is completing verity solo, but you can still load that encounter and goof off in it by yourself if you have the checkpoint.
Dual destiny: the mission was a lot of fun and an incredible mission. Still salty one of the best items in the game is locked behind a mandatory 2 person activity when it was marketed as a major peice of the expansion.
And you'll still get attacked for having a sane thought that isn't "fuck solo players" or basic aggression.
For Dual Destiny requiring 2 people: it can also be very discouraging when you use fireteam finder, you label your post as a "first time", and people join expecting you to know everything, only to leave immediately when they realize you don't.
My first attempt at a run of the mission was my first use of FF and the very first person to join asked if I had done it before (despite it being in the post), got pissy when I typed no, said he'd only teach me if I had a mic, then left when I said "one sec" so I could tab out to unmute. Yes the timer was started, but when you consider that the next person I got was also a first timer and we finished every pre-boss room encounter with 4+ mins left on each timer, there was no way losing the less than 20 seconds I needed to unmute would have failed us. If it really meant that much for the first guy to finish 20 seconds sooner, then he should have joined a lobby tagged "Fast", instead of mine tagged "First time" and "Chill". Don't get me wrong, I did like how FF worked and will probably start to using it more now that I've tried it, but I've literally never had to deal with that flavor of toxicity on the LFG discord, so I guess I was expecting better.
4:22 it’s interesting you mention fireteam finder because you can’t actually LFG for it, the only exotic missions you can LFG for are whisper and Zero hour
You can't even LFG for the exotic rotator missions.
I feel like duel destiny would of been a great exotic quest for a exotic weapon rather then the class item mainly because grinding the mission or just running around for hours to open chests for the class item really sucks it should of been like ergo sum with its drop locations other then that. The mission was fun as hell with a friend.
As a solo player, I'll admit I was pissed when I heard Dual Destiny required a player. I've had time to ruminate on it, though, and I'll say that the complaints are massively overblown. That being said, I do understand some of the outrage to a degree.
The initial issue I have is that it was a shock. I get keeping the mission a surprise but I feel like there could have been a little warning that this heavily featured and innovative exotic in the class items would be tied to an unmatchmade, 2 player mandatory activity. Even just a quick mention in a TWAB prior would have been enough. It just felt weird to have such a significant feature of the expansion be stuck behind, what to many people is, a pretty big hurdle when it comes to playing the game.
I'm glad the mission sounds great ( I haven't played yet, no spoilers please) but just a little transparency there would have been appreciated.
It wouldn't even be too bad if it was a 2 player activity that played more like a strike or a dungeon. The problem myself and many others have is the complicated mechanics the require constant communication. That's fine if you're playing with a buddy that you know, but a lot of people don't want to try something so complicated with someone they're not comfortable playing with.
Lemme tell ya. When you find out why it NEEDS to be 2 people it’s all worth it. If you want some help I’m happy to run it with you. I’m not mean I promise, just 30 and not a lot of free time. But hit me up if you need a partner. I want as many people as possible to enjoy it :)
This only reinforces the idea that Bungie have very little room to innovate in the game because reception to innovation is always polarizing. I hate it. I wish people would just have some more self awareness. If you don't like the activity idea cool, but at least appreciate that they're doing something different. For so long we've had the same slop, the same formula. God forbid they try different stuff.
@oxsila I understand that. I finally got someone to run the mission and it was great. I hope they try more stuff like this in the future. All I'm asking for was a little transparency there.
I think part of the fuss over Dual Destiny is that it’s a great idea that should have been implemented in year 3 of D2 and not 10 years into the game. People are used to either playing solo or being able to jump into a match made seasonal activity.
They should have been implementing raid like mechanics and activities that require communication years ago. The game would have been better off for it, but they didn’t. Instead they focused on seasonal activities with such a low level of difficulty they practically played themselves.
You aren’t going to change how people play the game (or how they want to play the game) this late into its lifecycle.
Regarding power delta and surges in dungeons/raids: Bungie needs to take the L and roll this change back. It's genuinely not fun. If you're relatively new, you won't have a vault full of gear to put together solid builds for any given subclass. What if you don't have that exotic yet? And for those of us who do have overflowing vaults, it still sucks. I ran Salvation's Edge with some of my clanmates last week (Solar/Strand surge) and last night (Arc/Stasis surge). One of my clanmates damage numbers had dropped from over 5mil to just over 2mil, thanks in no small part to the fact that the meta Celestial Still Hunt build isn't getting last week's buff anymore. It feels like instead of crafting a build based on the surge, you're better off just waiting for the surge to match what you want to use. Unnecessary and unfun change.
If it's not a clock, why are the callouts counterclockwise? Team 1-9, clockwise
If you're reading it clockwise, then you admit you see it as a clock. So why not call out clock positions?
@internisus after further thought, I am totally good with 2-10 for the first encounter. Faster reading because you know where 3,6,9 are located
@@SFCGOV Exactly! That's the benefit. Takes me longer to count from 1-9 than to recognize the familiar spatial positions of a clock. But it's understandable that not everyone has the same familiarity with analog clocks.
>creating a shader system is impossible
see, i agree and disagree there. i think it's impossible because of the way destiny works -- in that case, yes.
but there are games like gw2 with thousands of armor + dye combinations and they are able to show exactly how an armor is going to look when you apply a die.
the problem here is d2's wacky interface/UX, not that it's actually impossible
See I disagree, Destiny 2 uses PBR (physically based rendering) so it emulates real world materials. With each armour piece using one or a combination of real materials, each class generally favouring certain types of material (like warlocks favouring cloth, titans metal / plastics etc.) you've got so many combinations already, now add in glow effects & animated textures and you aren't going to ever get a perfect system. It is literally impossible to do what the gw2, ff14 etc. do.
A buddy and I went in blind in Dual Destiny and the first time doing that puzzle call out we used Right 1 - 4 (top to bottom), Left 1 - 4 (top to bottom) and Middle for the bottom one. We ended up using clock call outs later, but in the moment, the other call outs worked for us.
The thing about shaders is, I was used to the way they looked; I had memorized which one was which by the four colours on each of them. Now? Now I have to relearn which colors go with which name because the colors on the icon still mean absolutely nothing in terms of shader-to-armor translation. Favorite is nice, but I change favorites as often as I change outfit themes.
I did GM excision with zero comms with fireteam finder and finished it first time, people going into it seemed comfortable in GM environments
People be like rank 5 in GM’s crying tho lmao mf don’t even put time into the game and complain about the hardest difficulty 🤣 some ppl are just cooked bro
Heavily doubt that.
Our clan did it with ~10 people, two of which were randos somebody had run into with the others in voice. First time we spawned out of cover in front of like 20 yellow bars and immediately wiped; second time we cleared with a modest amount of rez farming in the boss room. Lack of a timer and infinite champ spawns make it pretty reasonable once you get your feet under you.
What I hate about Pathfinder is that it forces you to play a certain way. Often times, it's ways you don't like.
For example, PvE enjoyers forced to play Crucible and vice-versa, kill enemies while they're weakened, etc.
At least with bounties you can choose what you want to do. Albeit you have to spend some glimmer. But with Pathfinder it's fixed, not even one you can reset is my problem
You can pick which path you want to go through, it’s literally bounties. “ wahhh I gotta mix it up “ mean while nightfalls give 2 pinnacles, onslaught gives 2, crucible gives like 2, and I’m excluding the 3 you get for each 3 milestone all while working for a pinnacle. So you rather do 3 strikes for 1 drop? Or do 2 nightfalls for 2 drops then maybe comp or 2v2 for 3 games, 5 activities and you’ll get 3-4 pinnacle, do 1 more and get another. And while you just play, you’re working towards a pinnacle? “ I gotta use jolt to kill 10 targets?! “ yes, should be easy asf. Who cares about playstyle, it’s the end of D2, if you can’t throw on prismatic and get busy, you have no room to complain. Get better.
@@boookythegod saying "who cares about playstyle" is such a shit take. The vast majority of the fucking game cares about playstyle, broctheres a damn bounty where you have to kill 5 targets with fucking JOLT in pvp
@@thenexus7343 how long has the game been out and y’all complaining about playstyle? No versatility? Nah I can’t relate lmao GET BETTER. 5 jolting kills in PvP? Crazy, you know warlock got strand melee that you can make an electric dash that jolts targets? Lmao 3 slides? Yeah stop crying and get good, be more versatile, play more classes, or how about y’all learn the game so actually know how easy half the shit is. You can literally start a gun fight, just hit a few shots then slide, ez jolt kill…. But most of y’all brain dead and need tutorials on how to get jolted enemy kills 🤡🤣 again, GET BETTER AT THE GAME, it’s not a take, it’s just a fact.
@@boookythegod Thats not a valid response. Sometimes it forces you to do stuff you dont want to do, and sometimes its a lot. Had one that was stuck on solar pvp kills and i swear it wanted like 100 so i just didnt bother because it was like sunday
@@Calebe428 again, it’s the end of d2, adapt. All this complaining about simple shit, I can tell ppl don’t do GM’s or raids… it’s the same concept, you adjust your loadout for the activity, the do what you set out to do. Wether you gotta change a fragment to add jolt or weakening effect, do that. Oh no you need 25 sniper kills and you suck with a sniper? Guess you’re going to have to equip it and go do that strike for them 25 kills lol seriously, we just got prismatic with the flexibility to do a lot, and mf just wanna run 1 loadout and that’s it? Insane.
For the record, me and my friend ALSO defaulted to a clock without knowing anything beforehand.
A big part of the community not raiding or doing dungeons due to lack of time (be it real life time issues like family, work or anything else) and difficulty finding a group (potentially due to the same issues plus some)
Bungie: I know... we need more difficulty and no matchmaking, also make one mission where you need to find 11 people too...
I don't like the fact daul destiny locks the exotic from solos, like if it was a exotic weapon that's annoying but fine. But the class item is soooo much more important
Good time to stop playing solo in a multi-player game 😊
@@Bladedanced almost every piece of content in this game is soloable, onslaught is solo possible,their are achievements in dungeons for not only soloing them ,but doing it flawless. This is not a excuse.
@@NyxiLovelyjust play the mission once. You don't even gotta talk just type callouts if you really want to
@@elixir478 Have a look at some of the other comment replies on this video. Why on earth would I spend my limited free time trying to LFG when there are people like that around? I'd rather just stop playing and go do something else in my life. Which, of course, is a problem if there are lots of other players like me.
@@Scyth0ryou’re just looking for excuses at this point. You need one (1) other person to play with, and you need to to this once, it’s not the end of the world
We are arguing about whether something is a clock or not? I love this community sometimes
Honestly I want Prismatic to get more updates in the future, like more aspects and grenade options.
Titans seem to have gotten the least interesting options though I havent seen very many prismatic warlocks either.
Hunters got precision golden gun and frankly I dont know what bungie expected, of course every hunter is going to run that or tether.
I feel like prismatic is interesting because it easily gives a way for players to stun just about any type of champion with abilities alone, but in terms of customization I can already see people falling into the same builds we had before, but like our grenade does a new thing.
When it comes to the shaders, honestly the only problem with the current system is that they did *not* apply the same Paint by Numbers numbers to the same spots on the shader icons.
Some of them have 1 on the center diamond, some have 5 on it.
That's the problem.
Color 1 (assuming color 1 is the color that appears on most armored pieces) should always be on the center and so on throughout each shader icon, color 2 (assuming it's the hilight color of armored parts on most pieces of gear) should be the outer diamond, and so on and so forth for each quadrant of the shader.
But they didn't do that. They just put *a* color in each of the slots on the icon, so all the colors at least show up and called it a day (aside from some weird examples where green is clearly not there but it's hella everywhere when you equip it).
It's not that complicated to accurately sort a paint by Numbers system on an icon.
Also the diamonds should have been circles, because D1 had circles and I miss the design.
The Dual Mission isn't the problem - it's the reward. Let me explain... solo players know they won't get raid gear, trials weapons, etc. The difference here is that Bungie put a significant item, one that they used to market the expansion with, as the reward. The exotic class items aren't just some gun or cool looking armor. They play a significant part in your prismatic build. The Dual mission should have been a weapon and not a unique exotic class item.
Exactly this !!!
Some of the takes I’ve seen on the forums about Dual Destiny were insane. One person even suggested to SUE BUNGIE over the exotic mission 💀
Yeah, I saw some folks on Twitter saying the same thing. People are unhinged 🤣
These are the kinds of players that we need out of the community.
@@andy.jehoshaphatsame ppl I bet never beat the new raid on regular lol
Idk I think it would be fun to watch people methodologically prove they have no friends or social skills in a court of law.
@@andy.jehoshaphat you sound lime a '1 time wipe rage quiter.'
Yea i wish bungie had put more effort into arc hunter's disorienting blow rather than letting combination blow overshadow it so much, especially because those poor poor Titans are getting outpunched in their own homes.
I wasn't sold on the new shaders at first, but you can now identify the specific part of the icon that shades the part of the armor you want shaded. (Ex, I wanted my Nighthawk to still be shiny gold and found the specific area in the shader that colored Nighthawk and only had to look through the shaders that had gold in that spot.) It's still really visually cluttered, but I'm learning how to use it and that's made it better.
Locking a hyped facet of the expac/prismatic that was heavily advertised before launch behind a mission you can't solo or do with a normal fireteam division that also requires above average communication for the game is... a choice. I'd hazard a guess it's probably not going to be a great one long term but only time will tell.
The one time I agree with Rick Kackis is the clock callout debate. There are 9 nodes. So we go clockwise from 1 to 9 lol
Exactly. The only way so you can he consistent with the last encounter clock with 12 nodes.
Yea... Why do it left to right. That's dumb
Y'all never seen an analog clock in your life's or something?
It's 1-9 from left to right. Nothing else makes sense.
Why read it clockwise if it's not a clock?
My real issue with Pathfinder is that there's no easy shortcut to it "in the moment". Sure, while I'm in orbit I can look over it easily and track nodes I'm on. But if I'm currently trying to complete one and miss the little popup to go straight to it I have to:
Open Director
Move to Destinations from Map
Drag my cursor (which im on console and moves slow as molasses) to the top of the screen to playlists.
Drag my cursor to the bottom corner of the screen
Complete/Track new nodes.
It's just bit much when you're in the middle of an activity, and almost always gets me either killed or falling behind my teammates. A faster route/shortcut to it from my ghost screen is something I prefer way more than buttons that do things like switching voice-channels.
I personally think its fine to incentivize players to mix-up what activity the need to do and/or plan ahead to maximize completions so I think the mixed pathfinder is fine. Though I think curating the paths so there's always at least one that can be done in a single playlist (even if it takes like 8 nodes instead of 5) wouldn't be a bad idea.
Totally agree
here here brother on all accounts
Unless I'm misunderstanding you, there is a way to get to the pathfinder page pretty quickly. I'm on PC, so idk what keybind options I have that a console player doesn't, but I just hit M (bound to a side mouse button) to open the pale heart map, then left arrow (bound to my left hand keypad) and it opens pathfinder. I can get there in about 1 sec. (Idk about the ritual pathfinder though, I never do those)
I would open the pale heart map and see if there is any text in the bottom right corner that would tell you what button to hit to open pathfinder directly.
@@SevensCircleWhat OP is saying isnt about the Pale Heart pathfinder node, thats easy to get to since its just a big circle on the map. Its the rituals pathfinder wher it literally takes forever to get to it cause it has no option to bind for a shortcut. If you wanna check something from it in the middle of an acitvity, you have to:
> Open Destinations menu
> Open one of the three ritual nodes in Destination menu
> slowly move over your cursor to the bottom right cause for some reason, its a small circle.
Whats even worse is that it sometimes you can get blocked from opening it by notifications on screen (season pass rank up, guardian rank completions, and the worst of it, the pathfinder completions).
I have a hard time believing that raid/dungeon power changes is anything other than: over-correction in response to 'root of nightmares is too easy'
Imma be 100% honest.
Im a mostly solo player. For dual destiny the issue is thatvthey locked a one of a kind item behind that 2 person wall.
And item that is arguably better than just having on any ither exotic armor and only getting 1 trait instead of 2.
If this was any other weapons or armor it wouldnt be a big deal but its a very very unique item.
Imagine if going to get the skimmer back when, you either had to buy it or have a full firetime. No solo players allowed.
People would have beeb pissed.
Its the uniqueness of the item that makes it distastful that its no able to be solod.
That said.
It is seriously only a probelm for people with social anxiety real or bogus. This is an MMO. Its a multiplayer game. It is going to have stuff in it that requires cooperation.
10 years ago it would have been so quick and easy ti hop in with a rando and just get it done.
Today, all these zoomers and gen alphas are scared of their own shaddow.
Games for a decade have been opt in rather than opt out for chatting with other humans, so since these kids have never had ti talk to people outside their circle, they now find it an impossible task to do so.
Its seriously not that hard to talk to a new person you will likely never talk to again or maybe even make friends with them and have simeone to play the game with!
With how many people comment on these videos outside of LFG complaining about not knowing ppl and toxic lfg... DUDE. REPLY TO SOME OF THE COMMENTS WHI FEEL THE EXACT SAME AS YOU AND FIND A COMMON GROUND!, YOU BOTH NEED HELP AND BOTH DONT WANT TOXIC. GROUP UP! ASK PEOPLE IN CZcams COMMENTS FIR THEIR BUNGUE NAMES AND RUN THE SHIT WITH THEM