Project Best Millimeter: SIG/GrayGuns vs Hi-Point 10mm
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When I heard about Hi-Point releasing a 10mm pistol (the JXP 10), I knew I needed to do something fun with it. Hi-Point is often derided - and often for good reasons - but fundamentally the Hi-Point design does exactly what it is advertised to. It is a functional and extremely inexpensive pistol. The company has been making essentially the same gun for 25+ years, and they have build a very efficient manufacturing process that allows them to offer a gun that is safe and pretty reliable for a ridiculously low price point. Of course, it does sacrifice a lot of niceties in the process, but that is the tradeoff for the cost.
Anyway, the question for today is:
Who would win in a fight, one GrayGuns custom SIG P220 Elite or six Hi-Point JXP-10s? Let's find out!
Test 1: Accuracy
Test 2: Reload speed
Test 3: Mud
Test 4: SPINNER SUDDEN DEATH!
Disclosure:
Bruce Gray of GrayGuns provided the P220 Elite on loan; it has been returned to him. Hi-Point donated the six JXP 10s because let's be honest, they can't really be resold after that mud bath and the cost of shipping them back is more than their MSRP anyway. We have some ideas for fun future use of them...
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It's just like Captain Price said:
"Switching to one of the six $250 pistols strapped to your chest is quicker than reloading."
*Gaz
@@BobThomas123 I've never played Halo.
@@fimmywa its a Call of Duty quote from Gaz from Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare 2007 or the new remastered version.
😆💀
@@BobThomas123 You’re doing gods work son.
I do feel you rather missed the point of the mud test for the Hi Point - when you drop one in the mud you leave it there and use one of the other 5. Much easier! :D
Completely agree! Many argue that magazines are consumable/disposable items, while for Hi-Points the entire firearm is a consumable.
It seems like Ian did a few little things to give the Sig an advantage.
😂😂😂😂😂
Why are you dropping it in the mud at all?
@@ItsMrAssholeToYou played with it a lot longer to get the mud out than the Hi-Points.
You can tell this one was a high budget production, as Ian used approximately three times the Windows Movie Maker transitions as usual. We should all feel blessed to experience such luxury.
Oh wait, there was sound bed that was faded up from the title transition. Someone has been watching editing videos on CZcams.
Ian is definetly Hi Point's #1 salesperson. While every other youtuber is trying to convince you to go out and buy one Ian's got you convinced you need to buy 6 of them right now!
LOL! So true!
Although your typical hood rat this is aimed at isn't going to want to pay for 10mm ammo.
I would say that Matt from Demo Ranch is actually #1, he's been buying dozens of pistols from them for years, and they recently sent him several dozen of these same pistols for a similar meme video xD
@@TheOriginalFaxon Was about to mention the time Matt shot a brand new .40cal in the breech, and still managed to get it to function with the resulting damage.
I don't want to be in this iteration of reality anymore, it's getting weird😮
Watch Demo Ranch. He has a wonderful love/hate almost promotional relationship with Hi Point advocating for how tough they can be.
One benefit to the 6 Hi Points on the chest is it could double as body armor
He went full Billy Connelly in Boondock Saints.
ABS plastic and pot metal as body armor?
Hmm.
That sounds a little Elbonian to me.
@@009013M3 ABS and pot metal as body armor... against Daisy Red Ryders
Idk if a hi point would stop a knife much less any rounds...
@@009013M3 I mean demolition Ranch has several vids of these things stopping big bore
You know, that's pretty surprising the hi-point produced a group that good even though each pistol potentially has a different point of impact.
I was just about to comment that you can't say anything meaningful about group size when the group is fired from 6 different pistols. I realize this video is not entirely serious, though.
I was coming down here to make the same comment. That group with six different pistols, even if off the same assembly line... That's friggin impressive.
It was really a test of how well Hi-Point zeroes their sights at the factory...
I had assumed six guns with six rounds, select the closest six holes and call that the group… and then two failures to feed… hang on…
@@ForgottenWeapons Still, you're comparing apples and oranges, when you actually SAID you would be comparing apples and bananas! How can something "FAIL" based on such amorphous criteria? Seems like more for put-on/entertainment to hawk the Otis gear. Not too fair to Hi-Point! Best take-away - the recoil of the Sig due to the high barrel line Hickok is always going on about.
Greenly: What if it was just one guy with six guns?
Smecker: Why don't you let me do the thinking, huh, genius?
You're telling me that it was one guy; and he was a senior frikken' citizen!!??!!?
Alright, so... these two are wandering around, wasted, toola loora loora... then there's this HUGE guy, like a big frickin' guy... and he squashes 'em.
Well, this here's McCoy. We find a Spock, we've got us an away team.
Never thought I would see Ian making a Boondocks Saints reference but I am pleasantly surprised
There was a FIIIIIIRRRREEE FIIIIIIIIIGHT!!!
Hi Point knows their place and they OWN it. I have nothing but love for them.
Agreed. I'm quite fond of my 3895 PCC. I've even shot it in speed steel matches. It's kind of a pain in the ass to take it apart for cleaning, is my only complaint.
Hi Point, the Little Debbie of pistols.
Its ugly but works. Like grease gun. Ww2 teached that only simple robust guns wins.
Some years ago, I bought a Hi-Point C-9. I'd never heard of them before, and got it a a gun show. I was actually looking for a .22, but discovered I could get this and several boxes of ammo cheaper than any decent .22 I could find.
Owned it for several years, and never had a jam, failure to feed, or misfire. The only problems I had were caused by me overstretching the hold-open spring while cleaning it. Called Hi-Point, they sent me TWO new springs, free, and they arrived in less than 5 days.
Hi point is awesome!
For six separate guns the group size isn't bad lol.
It really isn’t. Came here to say that myself!
Yep. Unless you fire six shots from the same gun, it seems irrelevant--other than to show consistency across the line.
Hi didn't even sight them. The group is amazing
Should have done 6 shots from every gun and then taken the best 6 out of 36.
Xactly. Very good, in fact. Consistent.
One of their advantage to the Hi-Point would be having six of them stashed around your house for the price of one Sig. You could have one, regardless of which room an intruder came into.
I'm now picturing Ian as a wasteland warrior riding on the back of a crazy welded together car with a bandolier of Hi-Points.
I want to see him dual wield three high points welded together.
The car is also made of Hi-Points welded togehter
Post apocalyptic Gun Jesus roaming the wastes after forgotten weapons, spreading the Creed of John Browning to the Lost, and spreading 10 mm lead to the Heathens
This shit writes itself!
And any time he runs out of ammo in one, he throws it away like Rep. DeGette thinks we do with empty mags.
@@Projectdarke With his weird French guns.
What's impressive about the grouping test is that 6 different guns with six different zeroes all grouped that tightly.
Yep! Now try 6 out of the box factory Sigs instead of 1 custom tuned. Then compare the group size to the Hi Points. Come on Ian! I get the joke, but I have to ask; " Has Sig become a sponsor of Forgotten Weapons?" LoL
This seems like it should be an April Fools episode
Group size for 6 different pistols is clearly a joke... right?
@@Velokotique I think the joke was that so many companies sponsored his video just for Ian's whim.
Very tongue in cheek, yes, unfair comparisons just for fun, but good remarks about both sides of the "competition". 😂
@@rob6850 sig fan boy 👍
That would be true if Ben Ten was in the video.
Remember the first two rules of a gun fight:
#1 Bring a gun
#2 Bring all of your friends with guns
Hi Point makes accomplishing both of these two rules very easy to do.
#3 give your sadass friend who turns up with a knife one of your spare hi points.
@@shadowopsairman1583 I have yet to see a mass produced 1911 or AR-15 that retails for $225. So, hi-points still make it easier to accomplish both rules for the dollar, which is my point. I would rather me and a buddy with a hi point for each of us fight one dude with a $450 1911 then be by myself with a 1911 vs two guys with hi points.
Also AR-15's arent a fair comparison because that is a rifle. If you wanted to make an apples to apples comparison with AR-15's, I think two guys with Bear Creek Arsenal $500 AR-15's vs one guy with a guccied out Smith and Wesson or Ruger AR-15 would have the advantage over the one guy.
Its a very similar reason why 9mm is more popular than 45 acp. More bullets are usually better than bigger bullets. And having any bullets is infinitely better than no bullets at all. The guy who runs out of ammo first in a gun fight is in a really bad spot.
@@2AFreeState the chances of you running out of rounds in a gunfight are basically non-existent. I'm guessing you are unaware of the law of threes
@@jayvoorhees4170 I am aware of it. However, it's hardly a law. There are plenty of examples of citizen involved self defense shootings that are exceptions. And either way, even if it does matter as much as you say it does, my point still stands that having a Hi Point is better than no gun at all. And having a friend with you who has a Hi Point is better than being by yourself with one nice pistol. Two people with two high points can fire 3 rounds faster than one person with one nicer handgun. And having a Hi Point gives you those "three" rounds when you might not otherwise have three rounds. My point still stands.
@@jayvoorhees4170 My point about the ammunition is to show an analogous example within the gun world for how more is usually better. While citizen involved shootings may average pretty low round counts, thats not to say that the number of rounds you carry doesnt matter in all situations. Its the same reason why the military went from 30-06 rifles in WW2, to 308, and then finally even smaller to 556. Generally speaking, more is better than bigger when it comes to guns (up to a point of course).
Even if you don't like the product, I have to respect that Hi-Point is doing its part in making sure that everyone that wants to be armed, can be, regardless of economic status.
Might not be showey, but its still true 2A advocacy in its own way.
Hi point was all I can afford. It has saved my ass from getting jacked . People see a big ass ugly gun and they immediately back off.
yeah, thats a good point man
#2A4All
Dystopia 😅
@@thechemtrailkid That's actually a "High Point"
Sponsors? Motion graphics? Six Hi-Points? This channel is getting fancy!
We living in the future
It's almost like he's enjoying himself. 🤪
I feel like this really does highlight the mission statement of Hi-Point. Not everyone who needs a gun needs one that costs a month's income. Just because it's better doesn't mean you need it for your purposes; sometimes good enough is good enough.
There is something to be said for workhorses imho
Most people will never even fire it or rarely and it sits in a drawer for decades. Probably was a good idea to make it all plastic so it doesn't rust 😂😂
Honestly, owning a few of these as spares for a SHTF scenario wouldn't be bad at all. Cheap and effective way to arm a few folks in an emergency.
You'd be much better off with 9mm or .45 versions in that case for the much more available ammo. But yes, I'd say the best use of Hi-Points if you can afford more than one is to put them in every room. Better a Hi-Point in the same room than a Sig in your nightstand upstairs when you're downstairs.
@@Bacteriophagebs Do you leave your EDC by the nightstand when you come home? I usually don't.
@@JainZar1 Do you wear your EDC at home? Because most people don't. Most people don't carry at all, in fact, but still want to be able to defend their home.
Except you can now get LE-trade-in M&P .40s for $250, and spend way less on ammo.
@@BacteriophagebsI do... More for fear of embarrassment of being killed a room away from my gun than fear of actually being killed...I've got a pistol at all times, even sleeping, even in the shower...
An advantage for the Hi-Point 10mm pistol that Ian didn't mention (most likely because it didn't apply to him or occur to him) is that the Hi-Point's mild-for-a-10 mm recoil is kind to arthritic hands. The Hi-Point's rear sight is also windage and elevation adjustable to accommodate a shooter's cartridge of choice.
@@robinpage2730 Oh jeeze, I forgot the hi point was just blowback. On a 10mmAuto. That doesn't seem like a best practice to me, but w/e.
@@molochi I've always wanted Hi-Point to make a straight-blowback 5.56 carbine, just because it seems like such a stupendously bad idea. I'm picturing a bolt that telescopes over almost the entire length of the barrel.
@@jic1 hahaha
My favorite part about the new hi point 10mm is using a suppressor, the fixed barrel means that I don’t need a Nielsen device, it’s very pleasant to shoot with a can
Thumbs up for simply being able to strap 6 Hi-Points to your chest!
Would you rather, in a home invasion have a cheap gun in every room or one expensive gun in the wrong place? A combination of both would be great
Also, would you rather that pride in ownership high $ Gucci brand or
Your reliably broken in by you $200 Hi-Point..
In the evidence locker?
That's easy math for me.
Give me a cheap handgun in every room.😅
Another way to compare these is to have five friends operating your extra Hi-Point pistols and compare the results with shooting the Sig solo.
Or 3 john wicks dual welding hipoints
@K R I don't know where you're gonna get three of him from, unless your plan is to get Keanu and his stunt doubles on board. Even then, dual wielding isn't really one of Wick's moves, despite it being the skill that Payday 2 associates him with.
This may be the goofiest, most out there, and dare I say most ambitious video you've ever made, yet you've still managed to be the same Ian we've all come to appreciate. Love seeing the experimentation with videos lately. It never seems like you're chasing trends, if anything, they're chasing you.
THERE WAS A HIGHPOINT FIGHT
Man I need to re watch boondock saints again
Interestingly military arms channel did a reliability test and a hi-point made it through the gauntlet and a SIG legion died in the middle of the test and had to be taken apart to get it to work
@@shadowopsairman1583 When one has half it's value in gunsmithing, and the others are shot out of the box I would expect Ian's results.
Both out of the box and one gun each the results would be much closer, with Hi Poiint winning it's share of events, winning accuracy, for example.
Hi points are inherently more reliable just due to the fact they are simple blowback. Way fewer moving parts with a greatly reduced need for tolerance room where dirt can interfere with working surfaces.
Wouldn't the six different guns put the Hi Point at a disadvantage during the group test? Shouldn't a single gun shoot better groups than 6 different guns with potentially 6 different zeros?
Yes...exactly! I was impressed that 6 pistols all grouped so tightly together.....shows great machine repeatability.
Absolutely. Which you can really see in the spinner test where Ian complains they all shoot differently.
But it was great for the lols :D
It would indeed. However, I think this isn't supposed to be quite so serious.
23:39 "These all shoot different places!"
Yes, that was my only complaint about the test.
Still, impressive groups for six different pistols!
The fact that SIG went back to full reliability after the mud after just some hand manipulation is super impressive
I'm always rooting fir hi-point in showdowns like this, I'm certainly always let down but it doesn't change anything for me really. I mean, making 10mm available to the common rabble is an absolute chad move I just can't help but respect.
It kills me that racking the slide on those things actually sounds like a crunchy Fisher Price toy.
It sounds like it is made of spoons
@@bakedandsteaked That HAS to be the most UNIQUE description of the sound (and more than likely feel) of a Hi-Point being loaded. Funny, that reminds me of hearing that a lot of the Soviet Unions less expensive (read: what a vast majority of people could afford) cutlery was ALSO made of zinc, just like the slide on a Hi-Point.
Hey.. that's crunchy "tactical" Fisher price toy to you there buddy. lol
Okay, so have just watched the first test. This is a tongue in cheek kinda thing right? Like firing 6 different pistols against 6 shots from a single pistol isn't fair. Those 6 hi points will have different zeroes. Either just use 1 of them, or fire 6 shots with all 6 for a fair comparison.
But again, I think this video is all for a bit of fun.
That "SPLAP" when the SIG hit the mud was so visceral, that was cruel and utterly hilarious
Have to say to the Hi Point's credit, in the mud test, every Hi Point fired on the first round. A lot of times that is the most important round! Can't say the same for the Sig, it took 4 trigger pulls to get through the mud blocking the hammer.
Maybe a little self fulfilling prophecy?
As dealers will tell you, "A Hi-Point in your holster is better than a Sig on layaway."
Waiting for Hi-point 5-7
Karl rage smashed his keyboard, screaming "No Overlords!" when he saw Ian doing the mud test without him.
Or screeching about "stolen ideas" as if the first mud test on YT was his idea. (MAC did it first.)
My first firearms I bought were:
High point 40 S&W pistol and carbine. I trained with them for years and fired the bores smooth. I think I was out $250.00 at the time.
I learned the basics and refined my shooting before upgrading.
I own the Hi Point 10MM pistol and look forward to getting the 10MM carbine to match soon. My Hi Point 9MM and 45 ACP Carbines are out of this world fun and reliable as the day is long.
You mean they'll work for 16 shots in the summer and only 8 shots in the winter? 😉
@Gooobzilla: well said, that man!
"Yeah sure, you can barrow my gun." *Mud Test*
I’m absolutely impressed that HP actually sent you pistols. Kudos to them!
Hipoint builds pistols to a price point. As certain features get more common on more expensive pistols, it becomes possible to add those features to the Hipoints.
@@chaimafaghet7343 😂
@@chaimafaghet7343 night sights used to be $200+.
Now, they're under $75. Which means Hipoint can consider installing night sights as standard on all their pistols.
Same for RMR cuts.
@@chaimafaghet7343 when tritium night sights are now $50 retail (and probably $25-30 wholesale), it means that you can stick in a set of night sights for about $10-15 more than your basic dovetail sights.
If your profit margins are deemed adequate, the company may even just eat the extra $10, but it's more likely that they find a way to shave $10-15 out of the rest of the piece.
I thought Ian said he checked around and bought the Hi-Point pistols himself?
I'd love to see him do Concealed carry with the Sig as primary and all 6 Highpoint as backups... 😂!
And Selma Hayek as assistant!!
Insert joke about impressive ballistics here.
Wearing the very small Dusk till dawn ' bikini ' 😛😛😍
Loving the Boondock Saints reference 😂
You mean to tell me all the Sigs are back in Germany and all the Glocks are back in Austria? Well then, I guess I’ll have a Coke.
Was going to comment the same!
I'm strangely comfortable with it
They say combat has been evolving through the years, yet here we can see a fine example of a modern pirate setup
Nice to see someone actually comparing the Hi Point to something else with fairly sensible tests. So often the videos I've seen are full of stuff like "We shot this Hi Point with a .50 BMG, threw it off a cliff, and buried it in concrete for a week" without doing the same to something else. That's fun, but it's useless without knowing how other pistols behave in the same circumstances.
You should totally run a match with all those HI Points
Test #1 showed how close six Hi-Points shoot to each other. That could easily mean that the sights for each Hi-Point are different, as the Spinner Death challenge suggested. You should have shot six times from the same gun.
Agreed! That wasn't really a fair test at all...
"Remember, switching to your pistol is always faster than reloading your other pistol"
As much as I love p220 series pistols, I would have loved to see the Hi Point give it a run for it's money. But there is a point where you get what you pay for.
I think the BUG match will be the more interesting one. For the intended purpose of the Hi Point (a cheap but reliable pistol for putting a few rounds in something at fairly close range), I can see the Hi Point coming out a lot better than it did in these tests. Or I might be totally wrong. Looking forward to finding out either way.
Garand Thumb did an older video on the 9mm version
A Hi-point, if you pardon the expression.
For a price of one P220 i can arm my whole family with Hi-Points.
I don't doubt that's true, but testing something like group size with 6 guns as opposed to 1 doesn't exactly make for a fair test, like he said with the spinner "these all shoot in different places". Point of aim can be adjusted for if you're just using 1 of them, but trying to normalize across 6 guns that all look the same is pretty much a non starter. The mud test though, pretty definitive, given 6 chances for the trigger to not be a problem but it was not in fact a fluke.
This is some of the best PR for Hi-Point possible, I suppose. Quite fun to watch and very interesting at the same time, too!
I have a c9 with 7000rds never a hiccup no matter what ammo .hi point just work 😊😊. I use it as a trainer for new shooters. Love or hate them they are reliable and group well 😊
the fact the accuracy was that good using six different guns is actually pretty incredible
Maybe 'Ignored Weapons'? 😎 Thanks for videos about more modern weapons; your comments are always enlightening--and entertaining!
So much fun! 😃 I call a pass for the Hi-Point in the mud test; after all each gun fired once!
This may be the nudge to finally get a Hi-point. Just a range toy, in 10 mil no less!
I wouldn't call it a pass. I'd rather have a gun that doesn't fire at the first time but it does fire reliably after shaking some mud off rather than a gun that stops working until you disassembly it
You’re absolutely right!
In the context of a joke video and Ian’s rather whimsical rule that 6 Hi-Points more or less (generally less) equal one Sig, one shot each from the 6 H-Ps can generously be called a Pass, but NOT a win.
@@petesheppard1709 in that case it's very true :D
I really do like that Otis range box with the built-in rifle rest, I might have to upgrade my range box now! I've had several of the round style Otis pull through kits for years as one of the few actual well thought out, complete, field portable cleaning kits on the market and they've all held up great, definitely a quality product 👍 I do wish they would make a kit with a very short section .22 cal cleaning rods for AR rifles though... (maybe they do?) But I really like the idea of having a full length cleaning rod that can fit inside of a pocket, very small pouch, or especially in the battery tube compartment of various AR stocks. (Currently LaRue has one, but I would prefer a slightly shorter 5pc set instead of the 4pc LaRue, also maybe in brass instead of aluminum 🤔) Thanks to Otis for sponsoring Ian! 👍
@@OtisTechnology I do like that new lineup, and was surprised how affordable they are, but after further browsing of your site I think I'm going to pick up several (probably 6) of the 3.4" male cleaning rods and possibly use my B.O.N.E. tool (another great Otis product I love lol) as the handle 🤔 That should fit nearly all of my stocks with battery storage, unlike the longer LaRue set I have currently... Plus they will still fit in my round pouch kits if I change a particular stock or kit setup 😉👍 Thanks for the response! (People are going to think I'm a fellow Otis employee doing promotion comments after reading this 🤣 but I just enjoy high quality USA made products that are still affordable, especially ones that are rugged enough for widespread military adoption) 👍
@@berryreading4809 Thank you , we appreciate it.
Kali, the Goddess, approves Ian's 6-pistol vest.
Put it in a box and concentrate on making an offering.
So does Il Duce
I’m REALLY impressed that 6 hi points all with their own point of impact were within 5 inches right out of the box. You were at 3” with the same Sig! I mean I still wouldn’t buy one but I was expecting that first test to be measured in FEET.
"There was a FIREFIGHT!"
I do appreciate Ian using his off-hand whenever he's worried about the gun exploding.
What makes me come back again and again, year after year, is how Ian thinks out of the box and make you drop your jaw and gaze wide eyed of what's coming next. Thanks Ian, for all of your work and all your lateral thinking. =) (P.s. When will we be spoiled with a thorough 'on the range' with John Moses Browning's 1910? The single gun that unleashed a world war.. ? Is the 1910 in an Austrian museum's relic REALLY the gun of Gavrilo Princip or not?) /Lars in Revinge Antique Shooting Club in the very south of Sweden.
Bruce is an awesome guy. I've talked to him a few times on the phone and attended one of his pistol classes. If ever you need work done a Sig he's your Man
Outstanding video, so cool to see Ian on the range ! Great production and editing, a pleasure to watch
I noticed a couple of things I would like to bring up. On the Sig when you were shooting it from the Otis support system you had the weapon down in the notch. When you were shooting the High Point you had the weapon resting at the top of the Otis rest. Not sure if the High Point couldn't fit into the Otis notch or not but I think that it would affect bullet impact. Also. When using multiple guns I believe you can get different shot impacts. No two guns are exactly the same and shoot the same. Enjoyed the video.
Yeah, the accuracy was actually testing how well zeroed the Hi-Point sights are from the factory.
I'm guessing the Hi-Points' big chunky slides were fouling on the sides of the notch.
@@ForgottenWeapons In that case, the factory sight alignment seems to be fantastic. I would have called it a pass.
3:57 I would have thought that this volume of Forgotten Weapons would be brought to us by Advil, or Tylenol, from the aching wrists you got from shooting all that 10mm all day long.
10mm really isn't that bad. I have a M&P 2.0 in 10mm and I've shot several hundred rounds through it, it doesn't hurt. They're both polymer framed, but the hipoint is 49 ounces and the M&P is only 29, so weight considered I really doubt the recoil hurts in any way.
@@tehbest I've shot a few. shot even more of the .40 S&W, a cut down version of the 10mm. High bore axis, even with all that mass, could make it pretty snappy. but , then again, there is the problem (or is it a Feature?) of it not being as reliable as the M&P, giving the palm and wrist a bit of a rest while addressing stoppages.
While I can shoot insanely hot large bore high powered rifles all day, no complaints, I prefer my pistols not to cause me any issues, and the way I see it, I can put two holes in something with a 9mm with less discomfort and cost, with a much lighter pistol than one round of 10mm out of a pistol that is heavier, more expensive (other than the Hi Point) while allowing for fewer follow-up shots, and having less chance of overpenetration. 10mm is a Great round, but in my opinion, better suited to an SMG or a carbine role, to get the most from the cartridge.
@@Operator8282 Depends on the load. Not all, or even many, 10mm Auto loads are near full potential. Remember that, like the 41 Remington Magnum, the 10mm Auto was an Elmer Keith proposition to duplicate the .38-40 W.C.F. as a cartridge for law enforcers. 170-grain expanding bullet at about 1,000 f.p.s. with mild recoil and less drop at longer distances than competing cartridges. Hits like a .45 but with more mild recoil and much flatter-shooting; also extremely good in a companion carbine with hotter loads.
Then, there are light loads like Glaser Safety Slugs' 117-grain frangible at 1,500 [1,700 is what I remember, but that seems insanely fast] for both .40 S&W and 10mm. Rated as making a seven-inch deep, seven-inch diameter crater in ballistic gelatin or flesh. That's what we call, "non-survivable," if you don't have the hair and hide of a bear to break the projectile up.
I did my own 10mm project last year. I bought a few different 10mm pistols, carried and shot them for a few months, and then sold all of them except my favorite. I kept the Sig Xten. It does it all.
You should make a follow-up video disassembling the hi-point and showing how the triggers got jammed. Since it happened on all of them you might be able to theorize on modifications they can do to alleviate that issue.
Good call!
My guess is mud behind the trigger shoe.
I have a theory that Ian spent years building up a presence as a serious firearms content creator so that he could slowly start shitposting while going through all the motions of being serious
Hmmm... different rest positions used between the Sig and the Hi-Points. Sig was trapped down in the V restricting left to right as well as vertical movement, the Hi-Points were fired from the top edge of one leg of the V allowing an easy 270 degrees of fluctuation. The rest of the test was a lot of fun though.
The reason the hipoint failed with the mud is because of the way it's made it's kind of like an AK that mud goes straight under the slide and up into the firing pin which is ran by 1.skimny long spring and one short tough spring so it makes sense that it would fail
I did not expect for Ian to just drop fun/joke range day video, but I am here for it and I love it.
Still makes more sense than a 10mm revolver
Great for hunting. Mid size frame and more effective than a 357 magnum. Lost track of how many hog I've harvested.
I just shot a friends Super Redhawk in 10mm. I don’t know how much “sense” it makes, but it was a lot of fun to shoot.
@@nucleargrizzly1776 if we're talking about hogs, I'd rather have 10 rounds than 6, although I do wish there was a doublestack 220 series pistol
You gonna talk that way about my 610 like that in front in my crab Rangoon?
@@heavilyarmedhippie75 well, they make the XTen. Not really a p220 double stack but still SIG
This was the video I needed today. I literally laughed out loud several times. This may be my favorite Forgotten Weapons video yet.
Instead of the almost unboxing presentation of the Otis gear, it might have been satisfying to see it applied to the post-mud cleanup. I've long been curious how you do get the mud out, and I have to imagine that there were some surprises about which products and tools worked how well.
Thanks!
"Remember, switching to your sidesidesidesidesidesidearm is always faster than reloading!"
I want to see how heavy a slide this would have to have for something like .50AE.
😂
Much... .50 AE is rated at more than double the muzzle energy of 10mm, based on SAAMI specs...
@@andrewamann2821 One pot metal slide with tungsten and depleted uranium inserts, coming up! 😆
The C50 YOLO Edition
If you were being fair, after your first hi-point fell in the mud, you would reach into your bag for one of your other five that are still clean 😊
Perfect timing on this video, I just bought a brand new Sig P220 Legion in 10 mm. Happy I made that choice and not 6 each Hi Points.
You could turn this around.
Every highpoint shot a perfect 10mm group.
Just throw one highpoint into the mud and use the five others
Drop the mags out of 5 highpoints, throw them at the target for initial spin and then shoot with the one thats left and 5 spare mags.
Holy shit, Ian has some of the most unintentionally funny content on the internet. During the spinner challenge, with the second to last Hi-point...
*fails to fire*
*racks the slide*
*mag inexplicably falls out*
...*throws it down in disgust*
Confucius said :switching to your sidearm is always faster than reloading, except with the Hi-Point.
We picked one up a week ago but yet to shoot it, it looks really cool compared the the older hipoint handguns
Some bulky pos 2030's looking thing and I love it
The 6 Hipoints remind me of Il Duce. Billy Connely's character in Boondock Saints. So far I don't recall anyone trying to replicate his "stunt". His 6 guns with zero malfunctions and all hits. Would be nice to see if it's even possible. And if not Ian/DemoMatt/9-hole/AK Daddy, can do it, then who can?
Don't forget the army duffel bag of revolvers from Lock Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. Not much reloading in classic tv westerns
Most Hi-Point owners could do that. The pistols very rarely jam--I'm guessing we saw these jam because if Hi-Points or any direct-blowback have a weakness, it is mud, but in this case the jams were particular to the trigger every single time.
Hi-Points are indisputably accurate mechanically, but hampered by really lousy grip-feel, bad triggers, and not-for-bullseye sights. Making a set of custom grips is as easy as twenty minutes with some Saran-Wrap and Bondo, tuning the trigger is more of a custom machining job replacement, and replacing the notch rear sight with the ghost-ring rear sight and then getting _used to it_ is where the $1,250 difference in cost goes--a full loading bench and a few years' supply of components, plus a 1,000-round case of factory ammo to start. Or just three cases of ammo.
The biggest advantage with the Sig was obviously that you only needed to clean one gun after the mud test.
Hahahaha that intro
it's interesting that i was happy to sit through your presentation of the sponsored product and was actually interested when usually (almost always) i skip past the sponsor portion. I can't put my finger on it but there's something for companies to learn from here.
Dropping that gorgeous SIG in the mud made me cringe! And I almost spit my coffee out at "these all shoot different places"! I think Hi-Point marketing subscribes to to old adage "Any publicity is good publicity". Another fun one, well done!
Everyone: 'A brace of Glocks would be pretty cursed.'
Ian: 'WE MUST GO FURTHER BEYOND.'
the sig 22x series is a landmark in industrial design. but the high point as well, on its own level though. btw, such a mud scenario might actually happen in a trench warfare nowadays.
I suggested using Morale funds to buy Hi-Points for Transportation drivers in Iraq, since they're _supposed_ to have been issued M-9's to dissuade hijackers, but there were no pistols to issue. An M-16A2 (Natty Guard rear echelon don't get the super-duper new stuff, not that an M-4A1 would have been much better) doesn't handle one-handed inside a truck cab very well.
But oh well. Casualties were only under-reported by about 25×.
@@davidgoodnow269 that hurts to hear. but i like that idea you had. make it .45 and its almost a 1911 (outrage here) but if looking at its core functionality, it delivers bullets at a short range. better those than nothing.
some guys carry a worn out makarov in a stinky leather holster these days. just to add another perspective to it. its not always about the latest and greatest.
@@tomlobos2871 That General did ask, and I did specify, .45. It has impact, blows them off the truck better.
But I pointed out that the M1911A1 had already passed trials and product improvement, and contracts could be let to any manufacturer, my personal favorite being Remington-Rand.
Remington started making their 1911R1 a few months later.
@@davidgoodnow269 my cent to it. any gun that went through military or law enforcement approval should be good to be aquired. even surplus from local police. but who am i to have an opinion on this.
Ian decided instead of returning the 5 extra hi-points he bought accidentally when his computer froze on purchase after he clicked several times in frustration, to make a video with them instead. Now that's resourceful!
Great video Ian. It reminds of the old joke, what the difference between a pirate and a cowboy? One carries six one shot pistols, and the other carries one six shot pistol.
Impressed as hell by the consistency across 6 hi points for accuracy. I bet 6 seperate sigs would do the same thing.
6 Sigs out of the box from the factory probably would do the same, as opposed to 1 Sig that's been carefully tweaked for competition shooting.
155mm is the best mm 😉
This feels more like a Demolition Ranch video than a Forgotten Weapons video.
For the record, the Hi-Points got TWO dips in the mud to the Sig's one. Despite that, according to the protocol established in the group size challenge, they gave 6 consecutive first-trigger-pull discharges with ZERO malfs. The Hi-Points DEFINITIVELY won the mud test.
Also, in the 1 reload 1, the second Hi-Point wasn't as conveniently placed as the Sig's spare mag.
You know if someone was coming at you in the mud test, you could have shot him six times with the Hi-Points before you would have shot one (or maybe twice) with the Sig...hmm. 😵💫
While I appreciate that this channel's focus is on knowledge and history rather than raw entertainment value, and certainly don't want that to change, these occasional mostly-just-for-fun videos sure are great.
Hmm, wonder what Herrera and the Haley brothers have been up to lately..
Glad you pointed out that its "horses for courses". I've often compared things like this to driving a car. You can buy a basic car, [like say the most common car sold in the UK last year was a Ford Fiesta @ £19'350/$24'410.80]. It'll still get you where you're going , though maybe not in as much comfort or style as a basic model Bentley Flying Spur Hybrid @ £179'060/$225'891. They both do a job, but depending on how much you have to spend, what you do with it & what enjoyment you get out of it is down to price. I recently spent nearly £300 pounds [$378] on a saucepan/cooking pot.It's made of copper [Cu] & lined with silver [Ag] so the heat transference, maintenance & control it allows me are impeccable. Is it 30 times better than a £10/$12.62 saucepan from the supermarket? Well you always have diminishing returns on any high ticket item, & some of my friends think I'm mad. But I had some cash stored away & I love using it. It makes my passion more enjoyable.
I feel the same way about some of my tools. Spend the money where it is going to be important to you. I currently drive a 2000 model dodge neon with 250,000 miles (400,000km) but my toolboxes are full of Knipex and Makita, and my rifles have good glass 😊
@@mattfleming86 Very much so, you spend your money where it's important to you so that you get the most enjoyment & return for your money.
@@chaimafaghet7343 Some of us cook. We don't have the ability to walk up the basement stairs and make mom cook us up some tendies. We have to grow it, raise it, prepare it, and keep the next generation fed.
You'll understand when you grow up.
14:51 note to self. Never let Ian borrow a gun
I thought for sure it was going to lead into a haha jk we cant do this cause its borrowed
I would love to see if you took a high point and sent it to a gunsmith, how much could you improve it? I had a cheap knock-off a TZ 75, and when I was finished working on it, many folks laughed at me for getting it. They were not laughing anymore.
Hi-points are not crudely made examples of fine weaponry, but well-made examples of crude weaponry. I'm pretty sure you could replace the slide with a schedule 80 steel pipe from Lowe's with some gunsmithing to no loss of functionality.
The answer is very little.
I'd still like to see what Hi-Point could do with a delayed blowback design pistol. A driven company wanting to design cost-effective pistols.@@cheyannei5983
That was a nice touch for the intro.
I've enjoyed my Glock 40 as a 10mm. I know the 20 is more popular since it's the standard frame while the 40 is long slide, but as my "It's dark out and I'm walking through bear country to the mailbox" backup to bearspray and a loud dog, I quite enjoy the feeling of a big iron. At the range, it's not that bad to shoot. I once went through 76 rounds mag dumping and felt like I could keep shooting afterwards (though that may in part be my inner recoil junkie).
I love the 20 (and21) and with my large hands they fit me perfectly and I shoot them as well as any pistol I own. I love the capacity and the reliability. I carried the 21 and later the 20 as my daily for years. If you've got the frame to hide it and a good holster it's not as uncomfortable as you'd think once you get used to it and in fact it's pretty reassuring. With +2 bases and 2 spare mags on my shoulder rig I never felt undergunned with the 20 or 21. The 40 is definitely my next pistol purchase for deer hunting.
Oh thank god the 40 actually exists. Saw one at a (now out of business) LGS and couldn’t find it on the internet because it thought I wanted a Glock in .40.
Ian proves what Price he told us for years:
Switching to your pistol is indeed faster than reloading
Thanks for the entertaining video. Obviously no surprises comparing a $200 handgun to a $1500 one. With the large number of polymer handguns out there in the $250 range it is a bit surprising that the HiPoint pistols still succeed, but kudos to them for serving their niche market. IMHO their pistol caliber carbines, available in FIVE calibers, are a SUPERB value for the money. Luv my 9mm.
Six calibers 380,9mm,40sw,45acp,10mm,
And 30 super carry
@@branchgarner4594 7. You are forgetting 7.65 French Long
@@salvadorsempere1701 true true how could I forget 😂
@@branchgarner4594 I wasn't aware they had added .30 Super Carry to their carbine lineup. Interesting. HiPoint needs to update their website in that case.
@@chicagorandy ya there’s a recent FW video of it