It started when an alien device did what it did it stuck itself upon his grip with secrets that it hid now he's got double action he's no ordinary gun he's BREN TEN
I’ve watched Forgotten Weapons videos before, so seeing another one was no surprise, but seeing “Bren Ten” really felt like algorithm was fucking with me
So if you see him you might be in for a big surprise He'll dome a damn civilian before your very eyes He's shiny, creepy, fast and strong He's pistol shape and size He's Bren 10
"because proper tactical men are right-handed" god i love all the subtle digs ian makes at non-ambedextrious guns, I remember being so confused at stuff like this before I realized he's a lefty
@@azraelbatosi because it cost money to make so they'll either cop the expense themselves or add it to the price of the gun. I'm guessing most companies think it isn't worth it.
@Jack Benton I disagree with your reasoning, simply because all the screw does is allow someone who wants to retain the magazine to be able to do that. I don't understand why that offends your sensibilities...
Jack Benton not trying to argue with you I'm not that kinda guy but in a real life situation defending yourself I doubt you should be reloading anyways most situations that aren't criminal the person protecting themselves only fires 1-3 times but I'm in the hood most the people with guns own them illegally I've literally seen dudes walking down the road with small cut down rifles in they coats I've seen shoot outs on the corner I've never seen anyone take the time to reload if they outta bullets they running
We're living in the era of the Three-Block Pistol, gentlemen. We need a handgun that can win full-scale firefights on one city block, maintain the peace on the second block, and perform humanitarian relief on the third.
That's not the most tactical pistol. The most tactical pistol is a Hi-Point with a rubber grip on the barrel, so you can use it as a hammer more comfortably.
One of the things I like most about Ian is, even when he knows the gun is empty, and there is no ammunition even remotely close, he still checks the chamber before pulling the trigger.
Gingy the man waiting for belt fed pistols with fiber glass links, three different red dot sights attached on one gun, and also a miniature grenade launcher and a bipod. And also some cool & tactical paintjob
Hey, what about single shot disposable gun with plastic handle and metal barrel, firing pin and spring? You can basically put the internal parts in a jig then extrude the gun over it. Of course there are some plastic mounting points for your accessories. No more reloading! Shoot 'n throw gun! XD (damn, the cringe inside me)
Based on the special ops postings you need at least a hundred round magazine of 10mm in order to walk from your house to the car.
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Drinking game: Binge watch Gun Jesus's videos and drink: -Everytime a gun is supposed to be a game changer but ended up a stock sitter -Everytime a gun has a new ammo and it's supposed to have a conversion kit to an usual ammo but failed. -Everytime Gun Jesus says: "tactical" in an ironic way. -Everytime Gun Jesus finds a mechanical function as interesting.
All true my friends, but it's called forgotten weapons for a reason. The drinking games could be vast for this. It's "interesting" how the GLOCKtards in Austria made a square hunk of shi# with zero bells and whistles and it's the most popular sidearm on earth. But, it goes bang every time you pull the trigger.
10mm is an alright cartridge. I know it's effective against human targets, but what about Deathclaws and Yao Guai? Seriously, would this even be THAT effective against a super mutant? But in all seriousness, great video!
I love how Ian teases people who like tactical things. I however do not appreciate people saying mall ninjas and such. I don't make fun of people who want to shoot old guns and it's rude to make fun of people that enjoy military themed weapons. Especially one such as this that really set the stage for a lot of our modern military handguns.
Funny but you would want a Ferrari Daytona dude.... By the time the Testarossa arrived Don Johnson was shooting a Smith & Wesson 645 and later in season 5 the Smith & Wesson 4506 ;-)
Daytona was fake as well as the Ferris Bueller Ferrari. I been lied to. They are trying to get the company that made the Ferris Bueller fakes restarted, so you may be able to buy one of those. Cool story though. Enzo gave them the Testarossa if they'd get rid of the fake one. Mission accomplished.
That was one of the criticisms that enraged people about the pistol, and more specifically the company making them. The hype about this pistol when it first came out was outrageous. Gun experts and gun magazines were pushing it as the greatest pistol ever. The association with Jeff Cooper was a big selling point. Lots of people had placed orders and sent money, but the company couldn't produce guns fast enough, or magazines, or spare parts, or do repairs on guns returned for quality control problems. Then, to make the situation worse, they started making and selling "special editions" and "commemorative" guns while earlier orderers were still waiting for guns they had long ago paid for, or promised magazines, etc.
@@bigmouthprick5852 That's what I remember, although it's been a long time, so this is as best as I can remember. It seemed like some people who did receive their ordered gun, only received one magazine with it, and it was near impossible to get more. I subscribed to several national gun publications back then, and was usually picking up one or two more a month from news stands. I was able to follow along from the start to the finish, following the gun's rise and fall. It was like watching a bad car accident in slow motion. I wouldn't swear to this, so I could be wrong, but i seem to remember that to increase production they subcontracted manufacturing of magazines at one point over to another company, which ended up making magazines that wouldn't function properly. When the whole thing collapsed, there were several very scathing articles in different publications laying out those responsible. The manufacturer was of course mostly responsible. Gun publications and their editors were guilty of printing articles about new guns to fill pages and attract readers, without checking to see if the guns actually worked. Jeff Cooper's name had been used early and often to promote the gun, or at least tie his name to it, but when the company went bankrupt he was like, "well that's too bad, but I really didn't have anything to do with it," which I think was true, but wow.
I had one (a 4" at that), carried it in Africa for years. It saved my life at least once or twice. I was fortunate, I had a half dozen mags with mine and those would be worth as much as the gun today. I liked the crossbolt safety as we flew transport aircraft and shooting your airplane by mistake is considered bad. The dual drop mag was good as well, protrude for the range spit it for combat.
You know this auto MARVIN and it was your partner in ruff spots i like to hear that and i also like this AUTO. Would love to own one. HI POWERS are my favourite we remove all the BS and polish the hell outta the hang spots make them real smooth.Im sure a real shooter like you could give some tips on how to trim out one of these.Your the one i would ask what should we do to make it run better. REGARDS TO YOU SIR.
I picked one up about 20yrs ago used. JSYK, these were/are C&R guns. They were known to crack frames and the slide behind the firing pin safety slider. About 1000 or so of them were shipped from the factory with a magazine IOU, can you believe that!!! Shot about 5000 rds through mine, mostly handloads. The factory Norma 200gr FMJFP ammo was a beast but the 170gr JHP was more like a magnum. Pistol had a lot of vertical muzzle flip. Had the S&W 1076 and 1006. Much more controllable pistols. Likewise Glock's 20 and 29. Picked up 9 additional mags from Tom Forest, CA. Sold it some time after Y2K. Nice gun, I moved on. Better out there. Thanks all.
I had one about 30 years ago. Likewise put about 5000 rounds through it including one stint at Gunsite training course. Great gun. I had 3 breakages, probably due to use of castings (front sight sheared off, ejector broke and cast frame cracked). All repairable, but not what you expect in a 'mature' product. I'd agree about the muzzle flip, compared to S&W's. I think the Bren had too high a muzzle axis relative to the centre of hand grip giving the higher rotational point. S&W 745 (I compared it against) had a much lower bore axis. Loads were great though. My favorite was Blue Dot with Sierra's 180 gr JHP.
I had the rare opportunity to shoot both versions of this pistol side by side. It was an awesome experience. I remember the trigger was super crisp on the tactical. The brass flew out so high it was hitting the roof that was 2 stories high. It was a pretty powerful semi auto. Probably one of the coolest experiences I have had in the firearms business was being able to shoot both side by side.
Also, demand was there, and massive, their problem was getting product to the market. The problems in obtaining magazines caused major headaches. No TV show was bigger than Miami Vice, and no handgun writer was bigger than Jeff Cooper in 1984. The demand was massive, the company just couldn't meet it, and eventually their clock ran out. Colt really saved the cartridge by making the Delta Elite. Then the FBI jumped on board by adopting the cartridge and S&W started making 10mms. That helped the round hang on, and it is sill around today.
@@DEP717 such a sad story too because they really were so close to actually having pulled it off, as from my understanding it came down to being unable to deliver magazines and the guns themselves on time due to issues with their suppliers. The original 45/10mm dual caliber magazine was no good so it went through a redesign thus delaying the mags and then the frame and slide castings had all kinds of voids and would crack. Reading about these things going wrong that weren't necessarily within D&D's control (though there were questionable decisions made) makes me really understand why Henry Ford strove to have his company completely vertically integrated, building a car completely from iron ore to driving out the door.
@@MrAndrewmcgibbon I thought Don Johnson first used a Colt Delta Elite 10mm in the show..... As I remember it was a major publicity point for Colt at the time.....
really? you regret not getting one? the gun was a absolute failure. no mags, and the gun had a reputation for multiple issues. including catastrophic failure. do some research on it. it really did suck.
They were more than most had at the time. My friend purchased a Delta instead and it set him back 1K or a little more and that was 1987. that is a lot of money at the time and when the Bren came out I wasn't old enough to buy one. I was 18 in 1986 and I purchased my first handgun at that time a S&W model 29 .44 Magnum for a whopping $240 US, now it is worth 1,500 with all the goodies which I have. I still have it and it shoots like new.
Does anyone remember the story about an episode of Miami Vice where Don Johnson did a mag change on a dock and the mag went flying? IIRC The day after the episode aired people descended on the dock looking for the magazine.
There literally the best semi automatic pistols ever made the. Cz75 is boss i shot one in florida and all they had were speer gold dot at the range being a foren person not Having my own stuff i hired a glock 17 and the cz both in 9mm and i shot a high power at army cadets when i was like 14 but the cz with the speer gold dot were really smacking the steel i could mag dump all the founds very easily all into the center of a steel target at 15m it was fantastic if they were leagal here id buy one instantly also id get a lee Enfield sniper rifle coverted to 7.62mm nato there sweet to the sas still have them in there inventory
@@weirdsciencethe2nd205 Why the hell is not a CZ-75 legal where you live? It is a small concealable weapon for self defense. Are you from japan or something?
@@Pyrochemik007 worse.... England unless im at a home office approved club and have a full background check were they even talk to ex relations ect in the process you also need to buy and have fitted a bombproof seriously strong safe installed and you may not even pass there checks its a huge expense just getting licensed and having all the right storage and club expenses its a joke and even say you did pass if i wanted a cz no i do really want one there gorgeous they basterdise it with these long wire things to make the overall length 21inch dont get me started lol ive honestly lost sleep over this bull crap im a legitimate target shooter i shot at county and junior international level whatever i had would be for the range id have a real powder springs mac11 with the bolt conversion to slow the fire and its got a rail to fit a red dot and torch for home defence lol were not even allowed to stab a burglar or home invader unless you can provide evidence it was the only option its a joke the laws are rediculose
@@weirdsciencethe2nd205 I'm guessing you're not old enough yet, but once you come of age to move out on your own, I would recommend leaving the UK. Especially if the right to self-defense or bearing arms means that much to you (as it should to any sane human with a spine). The UK is a dumpster fire and has been for a while now.
My Dad was a 1911 fanatic. When the Bren10 came out he sold one of his high dollar 1911's to get the Bren10. I was 21 or so at the time. He kept the gun until the late 90's where he sold it. It was a bit much for me in my early 20's. Now my daily carry is a Glock 20SF. If I could find a Bren10 for a price I could afford I would be all over it.
Some clarifications here: 1) the Thumb Safety was reversible for leftists like yourself 2) the Barrel Bushing was meant to be user-removable with the side of the magazine base pad. This facilitated tool-less replacement of the front sight. which was retained in a dovetail by the bushing. 3) the firing-pin safety button facilitated de-cocking. Cooper was not satisfied with there being no facility to safely de-cock. So, push the button, ease the hammer down to half-cock, release the button. 4) the rifling pattern was polygonal which they called the "power seal" 5) a .22 caliber conversion kit was offered, but I'm not sure any were made.
Alex N 99% of my knowledge comes from y Series 80 and reading Jeff Cooper and various other writers in the 70's and 80's. IIRC, the Series 80 has a firing pin block safety. To decock, I pull the hammer back, pull the trigger and then release the trigger as I ride the hammer down. If it slips, the trigger and grip safety have released and the firing pin block prevents the firing pin from striking the primer. Now that I look at diagrams, I can see that Kimber's got a different approach and the Series 70 might be different still. At any rate, the Bren 10 slide-mounted button facilitates decocking. That was my point however wrong I might be about certain variations of the 1911.
+Scowler Tanfoglio offers almost all their guns in 10mm auto, so you can get either a steel or polymer framed and their guns are CZ clones same as the bren ten. In the states EAA markets the witness which are apparently tanfoglio imports but from what I heard they are not actually exactly the same thing as the current manufacture tanfoglios( i'm afraid I dont have all the details since here in Canada its actually easier to get the tanfoglio current production then a witness). I own one of tanfoglio L(5" barrel) models in 10mm and its a great shooter
BREN meaning... “BR” stands for Brno, the Czechoslovak city. Brno Factory “EN” stands for Enfield, site of the British Royal Small Arms Factory. Together the two companies make the collaboration company “BREN” ... not just Bruno as mentioned... sorry to be geek. Love your channel btw so good.
Thumb safety can be switched to the right side of the frame for left-handed use; note the red, safety-off indicator dot on the right side of the frame at 4:12.
During a scene shoot , Crockett dumps a mag& reloads. Days later people are rummaging at the🎥 site hoping the prop dept didn't get it back. As the magazine's were expensive & rare.
Thank you for making this video. It cleared up a lot of the mystery for me surrounding this pistol. I will probably never get to encounter one in person.
The Dornaus & Dixon Bren Ten, in fact just a beefed up ČZ 75, was *_Sonny Crockett's_* first signature weapon in the legendary Miami Vice TV show. Though he started off with a black SIG Sauer P220 in the pilot episode, he would from then on carry a grey-ish, hard chromed finished Bren Ten (for better low light scenes visibility) in season 1 and 2, not coming off the assembly line, but built by Tom Dornaus personally. He built two of them from the ground up specifically for firing .45 ACP blanks. All external markings were standard Bren Ten with the only difference being that the guns had recoil springs and barrels designed to fire those .45 ACP blanks. Originally the Bren Ten was chambered for the new 10mm Norma Auto cartridge with its slightly different case length compared to later 10mm rounds. New in the '80s it's rarely used in modern day. Unfortunately this round was so strong that it damaged the Bren Ten, posing even a risk to the shooters themselves. After Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises Inc. closed in 1986 Sonny Crockett's Bren Tens were replaced with the Smith & Wesson 645 auto pistol in season 3, since the producers of Miami Vice would not use discontinued guns in the show. And this is where I still know the Bren Ten from. And why I would still love to own one. Just for having it. In memory of the good ol' days, the colourful days of the late '80s. Sigh. scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com/vp/f390a7b7a4c9a7cac64b643e9c1cc689/5CB661FC/t51.2885-15/e35/c18.0.514.514/s480x480/43818055_2150310341895141_2619730691063021568_n.jpg?_nc_ht=scontent-lhr3-1.cdninstagram.com
Kinda jealous, my grail pistol is indeed a five-seven. But man those things command a premium. Fortunately, the ruger 57 exists. Now if only 5.7x28 could be found for less than a dollar per round....
I remember almost purchasing one of these guns from reading all of the gun magazines back in the early 1980s. The Bren 10 was really the ultimate handgun back then, and Jeff Cooper was a God to anyone interested in handgun competitions.
I had no idea until THIS moment, July 2, 2018, that 10mm and .40 caliber were the same thing. For some reason, I thought the 10mm was an popular caliber that had been more or less phased out. Wow! Thanks, Forgotten Weapons!
Around 1977, there was a thing called the ".40 G&A", "G&A" being "Guns and Ammo', the magazine. The cartridge was basically a 224 Weatherby case shortened to .853", thus creating the “belted magnum” version of the original .40 G&A cartridge. The gun was a worked over Browning High Power. Now, there is a seriously "Forgotten Weapon" / cartridge combination.
take ease Ian, your left handed nature does well with your videos since it means you can hold the gun normally to the camera while still showing off the bulk of its controls
Great presentation and demonstration of gear with sound historical information (to the best of my knowledge), as always. I love that adjustable magazine well tension bit, so very cool and tactical without being the least tacticool. I'd make it standard on all auto-loading pistols if I could lol. It's a shame nobody tries to make them again, without that extra safety. 10mm rocks
Ian, I can't remember exactly but the safety was able to be reversed for a left handed shooter. That's why the red dot is also on the right side. It wasn't a quick thing to do. The weapon had to be thoroughly disassembled and the safety was just installed from the right side on reassembly. It was designed for the left handed purchaser to set-up the weapon for themself. Take Care.
that was a fine gun! way ahead of its time was its fall, Cooper had one in the vaults at API in 84 had problems getting mags but it was a GREAT GUN....
The switchable mag release is probably the most tactical thing. It comes customizable to for your purpose, no matter what option you and/or your organization prefers.
Thats always wild to see how short the barrels are on normal semi auto handguns. The illusion of the long slide makes you think the barrel is much longer when looking at it assembled.
+Ethan S go look at some Nazi 1911's and tell me what they had written on them for mm's. If it's close enough for the Germans it's close enough for me.
+Kenny VanCleave I think some of the funniest videos Ian has done are the rare instances he has actual disdain for the gun, such as his thoughts on the Lady's Home Companion and the Streetsweeper.
+Kenny VanCleave He cracks jokes all the time bro. Id wager theres at least one in every other video he's made. Theyre just VERY subtle, witty, dry, deadpan, etc. It can be easy to miss them. Just another reason hes such a great orator!
I think that firing pin-safety was for dry firing so the firing pin was not affected as it can in theory become brittle. I remember when it came out and Mr Cooper actually was impressed with the CZ 75 when it came out, however he didn't have much time for the 9 mm.
Just for the info / correction (not wanting to be nitpicking) the CZ-75 was afaik not coming from Brno (and it's armament factory) but form a gun maker in another Czech town (Uhersky Brod, where it is manufactured). The name BREN is actually related to Brno though. The name is famous for a British made machine gun, made in the gun factory of Enfield. This Machine gun was a licensed copy of Machine gun developed in Brno (and designated ZB vz. 27, the ZB standing for "Zbrojovka Brno" - ~"Gunfactory Brno", and the vz. meaning "model"). The BREN name is therefore coming from the words BRno and ENfield. So maybe the guys who made this pistol were aware of the BREN story and since both the Machine gun and the pistols CZ-75 came from the Czech republic they assumed it was the design of the same armament factory.
Ian's passive aggressiveness towards the right handed safety is lovely
T A C T I C A L
Also loved the quips about “being properly tactical”!
"All proper tactical men are right handed!" 😂😂😂
😂
He's just wrong handed
The Bren Ten's magazine release is so tactical that you can use it with tactics that weren't even invented yet. So tactical.
Way ahead of its time
"Hammer price: $2,500" Damn, how much for the rest of the gun?
alahos Underrated comment.
Nah you just get a claw hammer. Excellent value tho tbh
Needs more likes! LOL!
@@-BWS- Must've been sold to the Army.
I literally took this to be the case until you made me feel stupid, haha.
It started when an alien device did what it did
it stuck itself upon his grip with secrets that it hid
now he's got double action he's no ordinary gun
he's BREN TEN
@Masemeno Nasaku r/whoooosh
Nice
I’ve watched Forgotten Weapons videos before, so seeing another one was no surprise, but seeing “Bren Ten” really felt like algorithm was fucking with me
So if you see him you might be in for a big surprise
He'll dome a damn civilian before your very eyes
He's shiny, creepy, fast and strong
He's pistol shape and size
He's Bren 10
Damn, didn’t know Ben ten’s new alien form was a GUN
"because proper tactical men are right-handed" god i love all the subtle digs ian makes at non-ambedextrious guns, I remember being so confused at stuff like this before I realized he's a lefty
He does it a lot.....being a lefty myself....I dig-it ;-) Well...I'm a lefty with a long-gun....ambi with a pistol :)
I'm glad you explained that.
That little screw at the bottom of the grip for changing whether the mag is retained or not...I want this on every mag-fed handgun ever.
Sean Yeske I know, it looks incredibly useful....I can’t imagine why you never see that
@@azraelbatosi because it cost money to make so they'll either cop the expense themselves or add it to the price of the gun. I'm guessing most companies think it isn't worth it.
@Jack Benton I disagree with your reasoning, simply because all the screw does is allow someone who wants to retain the magazine to be able to do that. I don't understand why that offends your sensibilities...
Jack Benton not trying to argue with you I'm not that kinda guy but in a real life situation defending yourself I doubt you should be reloading anyways most situations that aren't criminal the person protecting themselves only fires 1-3 times but I'm in the hood most the people with guns own them illegally I've literally seen dudes walking down the road with small cut down rifles in they coats I've seen shoot outs on the corner I've never seen anyone take the time to reload if they outta bullets they running
Hi @Sean Yeske The problem is mechanism licensing requires money and manufacturers don´t want waste too much of it.
this video needs more tactical likes.
Thorneyed
Smite the like button with right-handed vengeance.
И тут краб.
Unfortunaly mine is not completly tacitcal:/
Вот так встреча.
They are there but you can’t see them
A tactical pistol? I'll stick to my strategic pistol, thanks.
Tactical pistols win battles, strategic pistols win wars. :D
Strategic pistol is holstered in ones anus... noone thinks to look there
I prefer my grand operations pistol.
I'll keep my grand strategy though.
We're living in the era of the Three-Block Pistol, gentlemen. We need a handgun that can win full-scale firefights on one city block, maintain the peace on the second block, and perform humanitarian relief on the third.
That's not the most tactical pistol. The most tactical pistol is a Hi-Point with a rubber grip on the barrel, so you can use it as a hammer more comfortably.
nice boomerang bro
Your right if you have small girly hands 😀😀🙋🏽♂️😎
So you can comfortably beat the shit out of whatever you were trying to shoot
That's practical, not tactical. 🤓
@@M0butu Hi point, the most practical pistol. I like it👍🏻
*Bren ten was very popular among kids,I can see why*
Hahaha
but if still teething , then the .40SW is better suited ..
IIRC Sonny Crocket on Miami Vice used a chrome plated Bren 10, so that may have had something to do with it.
I was one of those kids, thank you very much.
One of the things I like most about Ian is, even when he knows the gun is empty, and there is no ammunition even remotely close, he still checks the chamber before pulling the trigger.
+terraLiquidus Yes, have noticed that more than once, too.
Safety first.
"Proper tactical men are right-handed" Damn right, son. Just like Hickok45 says; there's right-handed and wrong-handed.
He's making the joke because he's left handed
@@kylesonsalla7620 Everyone knows real men are ambidextrous.
@@upinarms79 everyone knows real men have no hands.
Everyone knows REAL men probably can't pick their superior limb.
@@upinarms79 and bisexual
The newest trend in tacticool is having such a big mag, you never need to reload. This reload feature is out of date.
Gingy the man waiting for belt fed pistols with fiber glass links, three different red dot sights attached on one gun, and also a miniature grenade launcher and a bipod. And also some cool & tactical paintjob
@@internetbodhi1009 What about the infrared light for night time?
Hey, what about single shot disposable gun with plastic handle and metal barrel, firing pin and spring? You can basically put the internal parts in a jig then extrude the gun over it. Of course there are some plastic mounting points for your accessories.
No more reloading! Shoot 'n throw gun! XD
(damn, the cringe inside me)
Half these ideas sound like ther straight out of borderlands
Based on the special ops postings you need at least a hundred round magazine of 10mm in order to walk from your house to the car.
Drinking game:
Binge watch Gun Jesus's videos and drink:
-Everytime a gun is supposed to be a game changer but ended up a stock sitter
-Everytime a gun has a new ammo and it's supposed to have a conversion kit to an usual ammo but failed.
-Everytime Gun Jesus says: "tactical" in an ironic way.
-Everytime Gun Jesus finds a mechanical function as interesting.
Alexánder Álvarez you forgot every time he mentions “slick”
Bruh I would die if I played this.
Whatch a q&a and drink every time somebody mentions tradeoff
-Everytime the production of said gun bankrupted the company
All true my friends, but it's called forgotten weapons for a reason. The drinking games could be vast for this. It's "interesting" how the GLOCKtards in Austria made a square hunk of shi# with zero bells and whistles and it's the most popular sidearm on earth. But, it goes bang every time you pull the trigger.
Ah, the Bren Ten. I wanted one as soon as I saw Sonny Crockett carrying one.
First person I thought of.
I need one of these to operate operationally in all of my operations.
Real operator!
@@PBMS123 Pistol, like its user, should always be a _smooth operator._
10mm is an alright cartridge. I know it's effective against human targets, but what about Deathclaws and Yao Guai? Seriously, would this even be THAT effective against a super mutant?
But in all seriousness, great video!
Dump points into the correct perks and it will go the trick. Those sneak attack criticals can be op af.
Gunslinger, better criticals, finesse, and any perks that affect sneaking. Boom one shot one kill as long as you don't get noticed.
@SCP 420 FO4 enemies aren't as tanky as NV's so you'd have no problems taking any of those down with a well--modified Deliverer.
The Deliverer would have been a great gun for the Courier. Well, great in name, but I don't think it would be much use at Quarry Junction
In this pistol, no. Stick it in an SMG and hand it to Sulik and you're golden. If he doesn't waste you, too.
I think that mag drop selector is pretty neat
Why do i imagine ian being someone john wick would visit in one of them backroom stores?
John Redcorn he should be
Next movie Ian should be there.
“Hey guys, I’m here at the continental, inventorying their ‘tactical weapons’ “
The best weapons sommelier, starts telling about the history of each gun, John Wick gets impatient and leaves.
😁 John Wick wishes!
"Bren ten, yes, like the Bren machine gun"
Me, thinking about that kid that turned into all those monsters: "huh?"
Or the CR Bren 2 AR.
Don't you mean aliens?
Does it come with Ben Ten watch too ?
+Doom guy It's not tactical enough.
+Wizard 03 you mean...tacticool?
Stephen Little Only if it is Major League Tactical can it be tacticool!
To be used by l337 special forces?
+Stephen Little "70 83 u53d 8y 1337 5p3c14l f0rc35"
FTFY
It's funny when Ian makes fun of the tactitards.
for us non gun-nerds, what is a tactitard?
it means your a mall ninja and if you don't know what that is google it
being of the Amazing Bolt of impossible Cramps Exactly.
oh no! someone might have an opinion that differs from yours that's terrible!
I love how Ian teases people who like tactical things. I however do not appreciate people saying mall ninjas and such. I don't make fun of people who want to shoot old guns and it's rude to make fun of people that enjoy military themed weapons. Especially one such as this that really set the stage for a lot of our modern military handguns.
Powder blue Versace blazer and Ferrari Testarossa sold separately.
Haha fuck yeah, good times
Funny but you would want a Ferrari Daytona dude.... By the time the Testarossa arrived Don Johnson was shooting a Smith & Wesson 645 and later in season 5 the Smith & Wesson 4506 ;-)
@@dudestyle01 I'm so glad I knew the Daytona was a fake by the time I saw the first episode of season 3, it was a lot less traumatizing.
Daytona was fake as well as the Ferris Bueller Ferrari. I been lied to. They are trying to get the company that made the Ferris Bueller fakes restarted, so you may be able to buy one of those. Cool story though. Enzo gave them the Testarossa if they'd get rid of the fake one. Mission accomplished.
I love my 4506!
@@dudestyle01
Special forces gun never used by "special forces"....sums up Tactical in a nutshell.
That was one of the criticisms that enraged people about the pistol, and more specifically the company making them. The hype about this pistol when it first came out was outrageous. Gun experts and gun magazines were pushing it as the greatest pistol ever. The association with Jeff Cooper was a big selling point.
Lots of people had placed orders and sent money, but the company couldn't produce guns fast enough, or magazines, or spare parts, or do repairs on guns returned for quality control problems. Then, to make the situation worse, they started making and selling "special editions" and "commemorative" guns while earlier orderers were still waiting for guns they had long ago paid for, or promised magazines, etc.
@@dongilleo9743 I'm sorry, I knew there was a bunch of fuckery with production models and repairs. But... They couldn't get out enough MAGAZINES????
@@bigmouthprick5852 That's what I remember, although it's been a long time, so this is as best as I can remember. It seemed like some people who did receive their ordered gun, only received one magazine with it, and it was near impossible to get more. I subscribed to several national gun publications back then, and was usually picking up one or two more a month from news stands. I was able to follow along from the start to the finish, following the gun's rise and fall. It was like watching a bad car accident in slow motion. I wouldn't swear to this, so I could be wrong, but i seem to remember that to increase production they subcontracted manufacturing of magazines at one point over to another company, which ended up making magazines that wouldn't function properly.
When the whole thing collapsed, there were several very scathing articles in different publications laying out those responsible. The manufacturer was of course mostly responsible. Gun publications and their editors were guilty of printing articles about new guns to fill pages and attract readers, without checking to see if the guns actually worked. Jeff Cooper's name had been used early and often to promote the gun, or at least tie his name to it, but when the company went bankrupt he was like, "well that's too bad, but I really didn't have anything to do with it," which I think was true, but wow.
I had one (a 4" at that), carried it in Africa for years. It saved my life at least once or twice. I was fortunate, I had a half dozen mags with mine and those would be worth as much as the gun today. I liked the crossbolt safety as we flew transport aircraft and shooting your airplane by mistake is considered bad. The dual drop mag was good as well, protrude for the range spit it for combat.
Interesting. Was 10mm ammo readily available wherever you were in Africa?
@@flankerrulz Not really but what we needed we could obtain. Sourcing munitions was never a large issue.
You know this auto MARVIN and it was your partner in ruff spots i like to hear that and i also like this AUTO. Would love to own one. HI POWERS are my favourite we remove all the BS and polish the hell outta the hang spots make them real smooth.Im sure a real shooter like you could give some tips on how to trim out one of these.Your the one i would ask what should we do to make it run better. REGARDS TO YOU SIR.
Get yourselfe a CZ75 and stop F***k*ng around.
I picked one up about 20yrs ago used. JSYK, these were/are C&R guns. They were known to crack frames and the slide behind the firing pin safety slider. About 1000 or so of them were shipped from the factory with a magazine IOU, can you believe that!!! Shot about 5000 rds through mine, mostly handloads. The factory Norma 200gr FMJFP ammo was a beast but the 170gr JHP was more like a magnum. Pistol had a lot of vertical muzzle flip. Had the S&W 1076 and 1006. Much more controllable pistols. Likewise Glock's 20 and 29. Picked up 9 additional mags from Tom Forest, CA. Sold it some time after Y2K. Nice gun, I moved on. Better out there. Thanks all.
colfaulkner1
Luis Parga
I had one about 30 years ago. Likewise put about 5000 rounds through it including one stint at Gunsite training course. Great gun. I had 3 breakages, probably due to use of castings (front sight sheared off, ejector broke and cast frame cracked). All repairable, but not what you expect in a 'mature' product. I'd agree about the muzzle flip, compared to S&W's. I think the Bren had too high a muzzle axis relative to the centre of hand grip giving the higher rotational point. S&W 745 (I compared it against) had a much lower bore axis. Loads were great though. My favorite was Blue Dot with Sierra's 180 gr JHP.
"Tactical" is so '90's. "Battlespace" is where it's at.
It's operator, bruv.
It's all BS.
@Bob Poekert Battlespace, More like Space Force. :D
You were 100% on "the Space Force".
40 megawatt plasma phaser
I'd rather have my bipod knife. :P
Just googled it. think I found the most tactical shit ever
Lone Knight battlefield friends
Thanks for the assist, I just unlocked the bipod for my bipod
Just bipod, not red dot AND laser sights?
Bro, do you even tacticool?
Idk,the ACOG attachment for the knife is pretty good
The Bren Ten is about to transform into a pistol with a light, extended magazine, and improved iron sights
Yeh, it will turn into a CZ75 or Beretta 92
I had the rare opportunity to shoot both versions of this pistol side by side. It was an awesome experience. I remember the trigger was super crisp on the tactical. The brass flew out so high it was hitting the roof that was 2 stories high. It was a pretty powerful semi auto. Probably one of the coolest experiences I have had in the firearms business was being able to shoot both side by side.
make this a drinking game if Ian said Tactical
I heard 12 tacticals
+Joeben Pajes Engalan Thanks. It's 2:30 and you already got me drunk. :P
Oh shit, im drunk already, time to puke down the shitter
Joeben Engalan Liver failure
@@michaspi TACTICAL liver failure
If Don Johnson can't make your company a success, you are definitely doing something wrong.
in season 3 Crocket switched to the S&W 645. which was their first attempt at a DA/SA 45 acp.
Also, demand was there, and massive, their problem was getting product to the market. The problems in obtaining magazines caused major headaches. No TV show was bigger than Miami Vice, and no handgun writer was bigger than Jeff Cooper in 1984. The demand was massive, the company just couldn't meet it, and eventually their clock ran out.
Colt really saved the cartridge by making the Delta Elite. Then the FBI jumped on board by adopting the cartridge and S&W started making 10mms. That helped the round hang on, and it is sill around today.
@@DEP717 such a sad story too because they really were so close to actually having pulled it off, as from my understanding it came down to being unable to deliver magazines and the guns themselves on time due to issues with their suppliers.
The original 45/10mm dual caliber magazine was no good so it went through a redesign thus delaying the mags and then the frame and slide castings had all kinds of voids and would crack.
Reading about these things going wrong that weren't necessarily within D&D's control (though there were questionable decisions made) makes me really understand why Henry Ford strove to have his company completely vertically integrated, building a car completely from iron ore to driving out the door.
@@MrAndrewmcgibbon
I thought Don Johnson first used a Colt Delta Elite 10mm in the show.....
As I remember it was a major publicity point for Colt at the time.....
@@pffear nope
Bren Ten is one of the pistols I would love to add to my collection. Still regret not getting one when they first came out....
rambokicksass77 Not really. They were pricey at the time, but dirt cheap by today's prices. I'd pony up for a nice one though.
+rambokicksass77 They came in a few variants. The fancy top of the line model was $2000 (in 1984). The standard (which this is) was less though.
really? you regret not getting one? the gun was a absolute failure. no mags, and the gun had a reputation for multiple issues. including catastrophic failure. do some research on it. it really did suck.
They were more than most had at the time. My friend purchased a Delta instead and it set him back 1K or a little more and that was 1987. that is a lot of money at the time and when the Bren came out I wasn't old enough to buy one. I was 18 in 1986 and I purchased my first handgun at that time a S&W model 29 .44 Magnum for a whopping $240 US, now it is worth 1,500 with all the goodies which I have. I still have it and it shoots like new.
Son of a Zombie
www.dollartimes.com/inflation/inflation.php?amount=2000&year=1984
Magazine...extra!
Does anyone remember the story about an episode of Miami Vice where Don Johnson did a mag change on a dock and the mag went flying? IIRC The day after the episode aired people descended on the dock looking for the magazine.
I feel like this is a bastard child of the hi-power and CZ-75
There literally the best semi automatic pistols ever made the. Cz75 is boss i shot one in florida and all they had were speer gold dot at the range being a foren person not Having my own stuff i hired a glock 17 and the cz both in 9mm and i shot a high power at army cadets when i was like 14 but the cz with the speer gold dot were really smacking the steel i could mag dump all the founds very easily all into the center of a steel target at 15m it was fantastic if they were leagal here id buy one instantly also id get a lee Enfield sniper rifle coverted to 7.62mm nato there sweet to the sas still have them in there inventory
@@weirdsciencethe2nd205 Why the hell is not a CZ-75 legal where you live? It is a small concealable weapon for self defense. Are you from japan or something?
@@Pyrochemik007 worse.... England unless im at a home office approved club and have a full background check were they even talk to ex relations ect in the process you also need to buy and have fitted a bombproof seriously strong safe installed and you may not even pass there checks its a huge expense just getting licensed and having all the right storage and club expenses its a joke and even say you did pass if i wanted a cz no i do really want one there gorgeous they basterdise it with these long wire things to make the overall length 21inch dont get me started lol ive honestly lost sleep over this bull crap im a legitimate target shooter i shot at county and junior international level whatever i had would be for the range id have a real powder springs mac11 with the bolt conversion to slow the fire and its got a rail to fit a red dot and torch for home defence lol were not even allowed to stab a burglar or home invader unless you can provide evidence it was the only option its a joke the laws are rediculose
@@weirdsciencethe2nd205 I'm guessing you're not old enough yet, but once you come of age to move out on your own, I would recommend leaving the UK. Especially if the right to self-defense or bearing arms means that much to you (as it should to any sane human with a spine). The UK is a dumpster fire and has been for a while now.
as well as looking up which state in the US has the best 2A policies
the fact it doesnt have a top loading magazine and offset sight makes me sad
"Could drop it from a building and would not fire" Sig could learn a thing or two from this.
My Dad was a 1911 fanatic. When the Bren10 came out he sold one of his high dollar 1911's to get the Bren10. I was 21 or so at the time. He kept the gun until the late 90's where he sold it. It was a bit much for me in my early 20's. Now my daily carry is a Glock 20SF. If I could find a Bren10 for a price I could afford I would be all over it.
With the development issues fixed, that is a superb 10 mm service weapon. I would love to have one in my collection.
Tanfolglio makes what could be seen as a modern version of this, cz75 action, 10mm, but with a 15 round magizine
Would love CZ to make a 10mm. This thing seems pretty awesome, although I am definitely not tactical enough to handle it.
Some clarifications here:
1) the Thumb Safety was reversible for leftists like yourself
2) the Barrel Bushing was meant to be user-removable with the side of the magazine base pad. This facilitated tool-less replacement of the front sight. which was retained in a dovetail by the bushing.
3) the firing-pin safety button facilitated de-cocking. Cooper was not satisfied with there being no facility to safely de-cock. So, push the button, ease the hammer down to half-cock, release the button.
4) the rifling pattern was polygonal which they called the "power seal"
5) a .22 caliber conversion kit was offered, but I'm not sure any were made.
+RyeOnHam *lefties judging from his love of guns I doubt Ian is a leftist :P.
Josh10 I don't buy into the two-dimensional political spectrum... so yeah. Not intended as an insult.
RyeOnHam Niether do I I was only joking as the term is usually used as a political term.
***** If you think in a very black and white way perhaps.
Alex N 99% of my knowledge comes from y Series 80 and reading Jeff Cooper and various other writers in the 70's and 80's. IIRC, the Series 80 has a firing pin block safety. To decock, I pull the hammer back, pull the trigger and then release the trigger as I ride the hammer down. If it slips, the trigger and grip safety have released and the firing pin block prevents the firing pin from striking the primer. Now that I look at diagrams, I can see that Kimber's got a different approach and the Series 70 might be different still. At any rate, the Bren 10 slide-mounted button facilitates decocking. That was my point however wrong I might be about certain variations of the 1911.
Tactical Gun: *exists*
Ian: "I better sarcasm the F*ck out of it!"
Ooh, a Bren Ten. Maybe not a Forgotten weapon but a certainly a legend.
+Nukle0n
Someone needs to re-market the 10mm.
+Scowler Glock chambers
*****
And that's sufficient but a steel frame is always better for accuracy. More weight on the bottom anchors the weapon.
+Scowler Tanfoglio offers almost all their guns in 10mm auto, so you can get either a steel or polymer framed and their guns are CZ clones same as the bren ten. In the states EAA markets the witness which are apparently tanfoglio imports but from what I heard they are not actually exactly the same thing as the current manufacture tanfoglios( i'm afraid I dont have all the details since here in Canada its actually easier to get the tanfoglio current production then a witness). I own one of tanfoglio L(5" barrel) models in 10mm and its a great shooter
+ComVlad Does Tanfoglio pay you ever time you say Tanfoglio?
BREN meaning...
“BR” stands for Brno, the Czechoslovak city.
Brno Factory
“EN” stands for Enfield, site of the British Royal Small Arms Factory.
Together the two companies make the collaboration company “BREN”
... not just Bruno as mentioned... sorry to be geek. Love your channel btw so good.
Sorry to be geek, does not know Czechoslovakia does not exist :D
Thumb safety can be switched to the right side of the frame for left-handed use; note the red, safety-off indicator dot on the right side of the frame at 4:12.
Back to watching my Miami Vice collection. Thanks!
@The Raisin hahahahahah
During a scene shoot , Crockett dumps a mag& reloads. Days later people are rummaging at the🎥 site hoping the prop dept didn't get it back. As the magazine's were expensive & rare.
i dont own a gun and will almost certainly never own a gun but i find these videos fascinating. extremely well done. binge watching all of them lmao
Your loss, bud! Go get a gun!
well its illegal where i live
Jung Taemin Where?
South korea
Jung Taemin Come up to North America!
Thank you for making this video. It cleared up a lot of the mystery for me surrounding this pistol. I will probably never get to encounter one in person.
The Dornaus & Dixon Bren Ten, in fact just a beefed up ČZ 75, was *_Sonny Crockett's_* first signature weapon in the legendary Miami Vice TV show. Though he started off with a black SIG Sauer P220 in the pilot episode, he would from then on carry a grey-ish, hard chromed finished Bren Ten (for better low light scenes visibility) in season 1 and 2, not coming off the assembly line, but built by Tom Dornaus personally. He built two of them from the ground up specifically for firing .45 ACP blanks. All external markings were standard Bren Ten with the only difference being that the guns had recoil springs and barrels designed to fire those .45 ACP blanks.
Originally the Bren Ten was chambered for the new 10mm Norma Auto cartridge with its slightly different case length compared to later 10mm rounds. New in the '80s it's rarely used in modern day. Unfortunately this round was so strong that it damaged the Bren Ten, posing even a risk to the shooters themselves. After Dornaus & Dixon Enterprises Inc. closed in 1986 Sonny Crockett's Bren Tens were replaced with the Smith & Wesson 645 auto pistol in season 3, since the producers of Miami Vice would not use discontinued guns in the show.
And this is where I still know the Bren Ten from. And why I would still love to own one. Just for having it. In memory of the good ol' days, the colourful days of the late '80s. Sigh.
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The mag thing made me laugh. The Five-seveN that I bought (range toy) essentially Yeets the mags out.
Kinda jealous, my grail pistol is indeed a five-seven. But man those things command a premium. Fortunately, the ruger 57 exists. Now if only 5.7x28 could be found for less than a dollar per round....
l think this is the video that got me into Forgotten Weapons. Thank you, Bren Ten for the countless hours l've spent here.
When you pointed out that cross bolt safety I instantly thought of the one on my marlin 30-30. Safeties like that have no place on lever guns
What monsters can this turn into?
Huntzman I'm not sure what this means.
Jack Barrowcliffe It's a joke from FilthyFrank I think
Ben 10
A friend of mine had a 10mm, introduced me to actual recoil in a pistol over a revolver, Ive been in love with the cartridge ever since.
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I remember almost purchasing one of these guns from reading all of the gun magazines back in the early 1980s. The Bren 10 was really the ultimate handgun back then, and Jeff Cooper was a God to anyone interested in handgun competitions.
Making fun of its tactilness aside I can't help but like the Bren Ten. The name sounds cool and I've always liked the look ever since I saw one.
Gun Jesus told me I have a natural inclination to being "Tactically Adept".
I am now Operator. 😎
Lol
He has successfully made me want one of these... a lot
I had no idea until THIS moment, July 2, 2018, that 10mm and .40 caliber were the same thing. For some reason, I thought the 10mm was an popular caliber that had been more or less phased out. Wow! Thanks, Forgotten Weapons!
just wait for the sequel
Bren Ten: Alien Force
Bren Ten: Ultimate Alien
Bren Ten: Omniverse, when Bren does the worst damage any gun could ever do- LEGO damage.
I'd love to see CZ do a new/reproduction of these and a new one with a rail/full dust-cover...
Exactly. I wish CZ would make a 10mm.
Love the forgotten weapons channel. Great stuff. Thank you!
Bought one of those when it first came out in late 84, still sitting in the box.
I always enjoy listening to Ian describe the different features of the guns, he just has a way of making everthing less boring.
The CZ75 is undoubtedly among the most comfortable pistols I have shot, both the 9mm and Kadet version are super nice.
When the gun name sounds like a cartoon kid with an alien device
yeah lol
More like when the cartoon name sounds like an 80's handgun
Ian: I'll bring the camera back closer so we can have a better look without further delay-
CZcams: Perfect time for a Bud Light commercial.
You must be the last guy around here without an adblocking program😂... My Regards from Germany
As a tactical fan of the CZ75 I tacticaly want that gun.
Around 1977, there was a thing called the ".40 G&A", "G&A" being "Guns and Ammo', the magazine.
The cartridge was basically a 224 Weatherby case shortened to .853", thus creating the “belted magnum” version of the original .40 G&A cartridge. The gun was a worked over Browning High Power.
Now, there is a seriously "Forgotten Weapon" / cartridge combination.
take ease Ian, your left handed nature does well with your videos since it means you can hold the gun normally to the camera while still showing off the bulk of its controls
Love the gun!
+Mrgunsngear Channel Now do you love it because it's an awesome tool for it's intended job, or do you love it because it's kind of quirky retro cool?
@@coyotebrown2294 Both, if i had the money i would have it with zebra wood grips,i think its just a real good gun..
"As we know, all proper tactical people are right handed" lol
Great presentation and demonstration of gear with sound historical information (to the best of my knowledge), as always. I love that adjustable magazine well tension bit, so very cool and tactical without being the least tacticool. I'd make it standard on all auto-loading pistols if I could lol. It's a shame nobody tries to make them again, without that extra safety. 10mm rocks
Ian, I can't remember exactly but the safety was able to be reversed for a left handed shooter. That's why the red dot is also on the right side. It wasn't a quick thing to do. The weapon had to be thoroughly disassembled and the safety was just installed from the right side on reassembly. It was designed for the left handed purchaser to set-up the weapon for themself. Take Care.
that mag drop adjust is pretty slick
Ian, sometimes I doubt your commitment to TacticalMotion.
Why do I get the feeling there's something satirical going on.
This gun was my favorite show on Cartoon Network
that was a fine gun! way ahead of its time was its fall, Cooper had one in the vaults at API in 84 had problems getting mags but it was a GREAT GUN....
The switchable mag release is probably the most tactical thing. It comes customizable to for your purpose, no matter what option you and/or your organization prefers.
Im waiting for the Bren Twenty
I too desire a 20 mm pistol with a 20 round magazine. Please make.
That is so freaking tactical.
"Proper tactical man are right handed."
Metal Gear Solid characters: Hold my cigar.
Define "proper Tactical Man".
Thats always wild to see how short the barrels are on normal semi auto handguns. The illusion of the long slide makes you think the barrel is much longer when looking at it assembled.
Literally one of the best channels on youtube
10/10 would oper8 with
10mm is the best millimeter!
+Cody Brown .40 cal is 10.16 mm.
11.25mm is much closer to .44 cal. Wrong again.
+Ethan S go look at some Nazi 1911's and tell me what they had written on them for mm's. If it's close enough for the Germans it's close enough for me.
Tyler 800mm schwerer gustav... ok maybe a bit to much. 128mm pak 44 L/55 seems to be a better choice.
Quit edc
Humor? I've never seen that side of you. I like it. It's like a good martini, dry. HA!
+Kenny VanCleave I think some of the funniest videos Ian has done are the rare instances he has actual disdain for the gun, such as his thoughts on the Lady's Home Companion and the Streetsweeper.
+Arrowdodger or that shitty American made Skorpian knockoff
"The lady's" is a joke in itself :)
+dougler500 I mean its fucking 45-70
+Kenny VanCleave He cracks jokes all the time bro. Id wager theres at least one in every other video he's made. Theyre just VERY subtle, witty, dry, deadpan, etc. It can be easy to miss them.
Just another reason hes such a great orator!
Totally got me with that mag release segment
That lock safety is nuts and there's lots of moving parts. But I got to tell ya, I dig this weapon.
wow if video game pre-orders were that stressful we'd either have more games that work at launch or more videogame companies going under.
How much speed does this thing have compared to the amount of drag it has?
Was expecting the most tactical pistol to be equipped with rails and an underbarrel grenade launcher.
Grenade launch, bayonet, and telescopic sight...
I think that firing pin-safety was for dry firing so the firing pin was not affected as it can in theory become brittle. I remember when it came out and Mr Cooper actually was impressed with the CZ 75 when it came out, however he didn't have much time for the 9 mm.
"Cooper's Corner" was a highlight of EVERY month for me!
Just for the info / correction (not wanting to be nitpicking) the CZ-75 was afaik not coming from Brno (and it's armament factory) but form a gun maker in another Czech town (Uhersky Brod, where it is manufactured).
The name BREN is actually related to Brno though. The name is famous for a British made machine gun, made in the gun factory of Enfield. This Machine gun was a licensed copy of Machine gun developed in Brno (and designated ZB vz. 27, the ZB standing for "Zbrojovka Brno" - ~"Gunfactory Brno", and the vz. meaning "model"). The BREN name is therefore coming from the words BRno and ENfield.
So maybe the guys who made this pistol were aware of the BREN story and since both the Machine gun and the pistols CZ-75 came from the Czech republic they assumed it was the design of the same armament factory.
The cross bolt type safety may have been included to allow safe decocking of the pistol.
it started with a 10mm doing what it did
Very unknown handgun, but such good. You can see it in the serie MIAMI VICE from the eightees.
Very accurate and with a high stoping power.
My understanding is that "Bren" stood for the BRitish ENfield factory that was bought by Dornhaus & Dixon and retooled to make the Bren Ten.