Are we witnessing ethnic cleansing in Gaza? | James O'Brien - The Whole Show
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"If Israelis don't want to be accused of being like the Nazis, they simply need to stop behaving like Nazis" - Norman Finkelstein
Norm has been a voice of sanity saying things that, for whatever reason, many aren't allowed to say
Corrupt leaders are supported by leftist parties that are too extreme and then create a destructive and terrifying ideology of Zionism from the way they speak and the way they use bombs.
Classic
@@Ceedee888 Hamas have no interest in Europe. Have you been to the region and had an actual conversation with a Palestinian in the region?
Norman is the lowest level of pop historian. Checking the first five citations of any of his books makes it clear he just makes up narratives in his own mind. Might as well get your history from Ben Shapiro.
As a Jew, I am horrified by all notions of Jewishness “specialnes” or exceptionalism, which at at the very heart of both anti-semitism and the Jewish supremacy we see expressed in the modern state of Israel. Jews should be judged by the same standards as everyone else and Palestinians should not be penalized because their conquerors and oppressors happen to be Jews.
They would never have forced people out of their generational homes in Palestine if they hadn't conquered America first. The Americans even took out Sadam Hussain for their Zionist masters and no other reason, because they wouldn't be laying seige to a hospital with fighter jets if he was still around that's for sure.
Their tactics used to be arrogant but now it reeks of desperation. The Zionist state can't last for much longer imo - and I give it 25 years max.
Well said.
unfortunately you are in a minority
Thank you ❤❤❤
Very well said 🙌❤️ and so true
Anyome who didn't know Israel was capable of this after the decades of horrors must be especially blind, or quite ludicrously naive.
Yeah, has everyone been living under a rock, or are they pretending surprise?
sadly not everyone read. Just have to read any random human rights report one horror event documented is enough
James certainly got quite snippy with the caller who pointed out the atrocities that Israeli committed in the past as an indication of what they’re capable of. He wouldn’t even hear of events from two weeks ago because he wanted to focus on “today.” Then he immediately proceeds to talk about Netanyahu’s alleged villain origin story about his brother’s death with the next caller 🙄
Considering that the British PM can’t openly accuse Israel of doing something that’s Documented and has irrefutable Evidence, why and How does anyone expect Salaried Pvt Sector employees to show more backbone ???
Western media is not helping either. I wander who controls it.
I wonder how British people would feel if all the americans and aussies around the world decided they wanted to return to their homeland of Britain because they felt unsafe, and then kicked brits out of their homes so that they had to move from London to Birmingham.
Not a direct corollary but an interesting pov
Brilliant analogy. Why didn't anyone else come up with that.?😂😂😂
This is the exact argument I've been making. I'm Jewish, so I can take a home where my ancestors lived 2,000 years ago according to the West? OK, well, I think I'd like a nice place in Scotland, maybe Germany. What's that? You won't leave? I can only take a Palestinian home?
@@strawpigletit’s truly horrible that over the centuries so many pogroms were committed that Jews felt that the only safe place for them was in Israel. Throughout history Jews have always contributed so much to the communities in which they lived and yet hate persisted. When Jews leave a country that country is poorer for that.
@@James-mb3jedoesn’t have to be directly similar in order to illustrate a point
This conflict always brings me to 75 years of Palestinians suffering from occupation and apartheid.
OK, and, but, where would you have placed the 'new landers', they being the first boat people that even post WW2 Europe didn't wish to accommodate back?
That the incomers had no manners is one thing, that the 🇬🇧 RMPs (before they all fell out) showed them how to successfully evict the locals is entirely another.
@@suzyqualcast6269Wtf are you rambling about?
75 years of palis refusing a peace deal......israel does not occupy gaza,,,,hamas does,,,,,,,
@@davidsteward9932 Utter nonsense.
Palestinians have tried to make peace in the past only for Israel and/or the US to sabotage it. And it is Israel controls Gaza's air, sea and land borders, not Hamas.
Have you honestly asked yourself "why"? Do you care? Apparently not.
@@davidsteward9932
Without doubt...didn't take much to realise this was always their intent
So was it their intent when Israel forcibly removed jews from Gaza in 2006? So the Jews ethnically cleansed the Jews from Gaza? That's the criteria you are measuring by yes? Just like Jews are being ethnically cleansed across the entire Middle-East?
A girl that survived the bombings of northern gaza was murdered in the bombing of AI Nasser hospital recently.. She died twice, the first time when her family members died in the north and now when she herself died.. in a hospital bombing, being treated from the previous bombing that took her family away Her name was Donya Abu Mohsen....If you still support this, there's no saving you.. or humanity for that matter.
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@@iamwell5654 they killed her entire family and she was made legless, then an artillery round was aimed through her hospital window after she gave an interview.
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It started in 1917 when the UK and France occupied the Middle East to defend their oil interests!
Did it not start in 1914 when the Ottoman navy shelled Odessa, which caused Russia to declare war on the Turks, and as Russia was an ally - brought Britain and France into the war?
No it didn't it started in early 1800s with the Schofield bible and the pushing of zionism in UK.
@@rewdwarf123 The Ottoman Turkish government attacking Russia means Britain and France have to annex a bunch of Arab land?
It’s an ever receding question. It’s not when it started that relevant it’s when it’s going to stop.
@@NapoleonGelignite Well said.
The fact that it's taken 2 months to see this be the other media outlets.. Just goes to show who's pulling the strings behind the scenes and gagging these so called free speech advocates
Who?
@@centurionzen1005 The zionists.
"goes to show who's pulling the strings behind the scenes" 🚩🚩🚩
@@centurionzen1005Israel, just like they’ve done in America
Do you know that none of what we see can be seen in Israehell? They see only what the gvt allow them to see.
It’s a disgraceful situation that no one in their right mind can defend. There is no justification in the world for this atrocity
You can never justify atrocities because of other atrocities.
What other atrocities ?It was an act of resistance against occupation
@@primeminister1040 Yes, but the killing of innocent civilians is always an attrocity. The question that should be asked, is why a concert that had been planned a year in advance, was moved at the last minute to just outside of the Gaza/Israel border; that same section of the border that Netanyahu and his government had been warned (by Egypt, Qatar, and the United States, among others) would be under threat of attack almost a year prior (around the same time as the planning of the concert had taken place).
Bibi knew what was coming and threw his people into the grinder to excuse the Holocaust he and the people around him are enacting on the Palestinians, because they knew if they were attacked first it would garner international support and give them the excuse to take Gaza and the West Bank.
@@Stigmaballsi agree with you 100%. I'll add netanyahu knew he was unpopular and had a corruption case. A war initiated by hamas will rally the public around the flag. His policies in the west bank too are on steroids. The right wants Gaza raced to the ground. Netanyahu believes the more Palestinians die the higher his political survival chances
@@Stigmaballs You hit it on the head! Thank you for expressing it so well!
@@Stigmaballs these were not his people. these were peaceniks. he was sacrificing his opposition and using them as martyrcows.
How crazy a time we live in where people don't understand that two wrongs don't make a right. It's literally one of the first lessons you ever learn, but people are forgetting it in favour of murdering one another. Lunacy.
Well said, and sadly you are so right!
I find people use that phrase when they are on the receiving end, and conveniently ignore that idea when they are they retaliating.
Its madness but i think it comes from a situation where law is not talked about if we just say this is a war crime and that is also a war crime. We actually do justice rather then letting war crimes happen we would not be here.
two wrongs dont make right it is just seemed to be ignored
People don't want to be right, people just want to win.
Amazing Voice for speaking up for the innocent victims in Gaza. Thank you for your strength and courage.
Try Novara Media, Owen Jones, Democracy now!, instead.
@@mangopapaya6376 try mark lamont hill dudes on it
Shame he supported it a few weeks ago!!
Whatever…. He still supports “Isreal” 🙄
How can you understand the people who created their state on killing 15.000 Palestinians because they refuse to leave their houses and lands, and displaced over 750000 Palestinians from their homes. You can never justify what they did in the nakbah in 1947 and what they do in the last 76 years of occupation, by the Holocaust.
If some one have to bee responsible it is Europe.
Do you know what James I’m gonna save myself a couple of hours and just tell you that you’re almost 100 years late to this analysis, but the answer is: YES.
James is now moving his stance. At the start he said it was OK to cut elec and water... He is very careful on his show, and never calls Israel out for what it is doing... No media outlet ever ask what happened to the alleged command centre under Al shifa hospital? Or that former pm of Israel admitted they built the tunnels under the Al shifa hospital!
Indeed
You would have expected more intelligent and fairer comments from journalist such as
James for the past two months . So you are absolutely right.
I think we have now reached the point where the idea that Israel is uniquely facing existential danger from anyone is clearly ludicrous. Quite the opposite, in fact.
too true, a nuclear state that is also under the protection of the united states and by proxy the us allies it is insane for them to claim they are under existential threat.
The reason there were hardly any Israel supporting calls is because they know their argument is extremely weak.
Aaand Psychopaths give up their deluded arguments when they realise their bs DOESN’T work anymore!
Or because they block them
Or because their argument is extremely weak 😂😂
@@lionheart3429 I doubt that very much.. because it is those calls that make the show and opens the floor for debate.
I think we got to this point weeks ago. I know that James has to remain onside but this point was reached and passed almost from the beginning.
How far is Israel needs to go before the world act.
I asked that question nonstop. All these journalists so eloquently speak about the atrocities but nothing gets done
You got there in the end, James! Well done mate!
James should read (all) the works of the Jewish Historian, Ilan Pappe. He documents the pre-1948 Zionist discussions about starving the Palestinians, and much more.
All he did was encourage the same people that celebrated Oct 7. Complete 🤡 O'Brien
@@paulwheeler567Israel have converted Gaza to an assesination camp like Adolf did
@@paulwheeler567"Do you condemn the bee?"
Tadhg Hickey
@@paulwheeler567 Try it with arguments, my friend. Impossible to take you seriously if you cant talk like an adult.
And journalists have been targeted by the I. D. F. One being an American.
...you must have been rubbing your hands when you heard this..😊
Brits James Miller and Tom Hurndall RIP were targeted decades ago by the IDF. One was waving a white flag.
@@chatham43That statement says a lot about you, it's obviously how you feel when civilians are killed that you oppose.
Not obvious at all. Why do you think you have a monopoly on caring?
@@chatham43 Where in the comment section has anyone said that? Is English your first language? Let's hope not Chatham😂
If you want to hear examples of cognitive dissonance just listen to some of the callers defending Israel.
Occupier has no right for the self-defense
James O'Brien, the voice of those without a voice.
Thank you James .
Great show
James it's so important that we have a trusted and truthful voice on this war
You fast becoming an indangerd species
Stay safe and be yourself
Agree
I am out of words
no more tears to shed
but my blood is boiling
and I keep sweating
My heart shattered
My brain crumbled
My mind unforgiving
My body trembling
My ears are not deceiving
My eyes are blaring
My mouth dropped open
My hands free but cuffed
Time is crawling
a second feels like a year
Rubble bears the witness
Corpses underneath it screamed
I can sense the horror especially when you see what is happening on TikTok
56:52 no one has a right to defend themselves against the people they occupy.
Exactly!!!
Its nice to see some humanity, thank you James. This has been going on for years and when you dig deep enough you understand its opposite day, everyday in Isreal. Its a shame as the people suffer, on both sides.
We are now, yes.
James you are a true journalist, and very brave to say the truth, finally! Well done, that's what journalism is about, respect.
Let me tell you something, Mr. O'Brien. October 7 WAS the retaliation.
Right!!! But he doesnt seem to get that!
Anyone who says Israel has a right to defend itself either never gave it any thought, or doesn’t understand the concept, or worse just uses it as a pretext to defend any atrocity.
We didn't wait to call it what it was in Yugoslavia.
A ‘haven’ created by massacres and land theft let’s not forget that
Exactly 🙄 a haven that was stolen from another people's haven with continuous blood being shed of the Palestin'ans. Pathetic.
James, you're one of the few white journalists on LBC accepting the truth and not afraid to express it on a platform that has always been pro israel. For that, I thank you.
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I accept that there are still some reservations, but at least you are speaking truths. Finally, Woken up to the truth.
The team at Novara Media are also doing an impeccable job reporting on this situation - with no other than a Jewish white man being their primary journalist.
@@sdaafasfad yes they are doing a wonderful job however lbc have always been pro israel regardless, that was my main point.
@@MrRiz157 and you're right. To audibly hear James state that his perspective has changed on this situation publicly and openly from one side to the other is a very sobering thing to see, and makes the silence from western governments even louder in turn.
For British journalists, there is the team at Novara media, Owen Jones and Lauren Booth (British journalist based in Turkey). There are quite a few in the US Vaush, Kyle Kulinski, Abby Martin, Katie Halper, Amy Goodman (Democracy Now), Sam Seder and his team at Majority Report, Francesca Florentini at Bitchuation Room. There's also David Doel who is Canadian and the guy at Dialogue Works.
@@sdaafasfadI know Michael Walker and Aaron. Who are you speaking of?
Seriously? You are only asking this question now?
At least this gent IS asking the questions that a lot of other 'SO CALLED' journalists WILL NOT ask. A wrong is a wrong no matter who commits it. P.s. why is there like a 3min delay when trying to add a comment...never experienced this before...until recently🤔
The Brits should give the European Jews London since they're so generous in giving them Palestine
James is voicing the thoughts of millions around the world that are not allowed to voice their opinions
This did not start in October!
Human life is sacred
No it's not
@@FacelessSoulessHumanity yes it is
@@FacelessSoulessHumanityusername checks out
@@user-lg2bx2qd9d You can visit the argument clinic with FacelessSoulessHumanity if you wish (do try to avoid the abuse clinic if you can though - it's just next door so watch yourself), but human life is sacred only in theory. In practice, some human lives have always been more sacred than others. The whole of human history reinforces this unfortunate fact.
Documentaries:Killing gaza
The great book robbery
Gaza fights for freedom
Tantura
Sabra and shatilla
5 broken cameras
Born in gaza
Born in deir yassin
Creation and catastrophe
Adding to this wonderful list:
Stone cold justice: Israel's torture of Palestinian children
Breaking the Silence
If Americans Knew
Thank you so much
Tantura scared me watched on Netflix Farah and honestly i cannot see any more. Unimaginable horror just israel savagery
I think we all knew this from the beginning. Israelis weren’t kidding about a hundred Palestinians to one Israeli
Sounds akin to a last century warring folks equalitives.
I cringe watching this show. I adore the presenters but some of the people that call in are mentally disturbed. They’re lack of empathy and awareness is so horrifying that I literally am scared when I walk out in to the public, because these people live amongst us 👀
Let's be honest. How many times have we heard and read, "x is illegal under international law, but Israel disputes this". There's rarely been a Western government seemingly so determined to ignore the law no matter the resentment that follows. The US did, China does, and no doubt they are watching with interest.
Tuning in from Canada. If it wasn’t for the crazy time change I’d love to call into your show real time. Keep up the great coverage.
Hello from the UK. Glad you’ve enjoyed this show!
Honest reporting for a change....great show
You need to update your knowledge of the 7th: most deaths were caused by the IDF, we still do not have the number of military personnel, the rest is one of those fantastic pr scripts we have been unfortunate to see debunked since then.
LBC never disappoints me when it comes how they cover this conflict, they are fair and challenge all accusations and they do not just take face values for what ever IDF or Palestinians say.
Well done guys.
Well done James O'Brien, I like how you challenge IDF and Israel propganda.
You say something along these lines with respect to Israel's attacks on gaza: if people have a threat on their doorstep it is their right and duty to remove that threat.
If you believe that is true for Israel, then you have to believe it's true for Palestinians also. Otherwise you're saying that only one group of people have a right to self defense while another do not. Just consider that.
James may try to sound fair because he’s not supporting all of Israel’s atrocities from the last two months, but his worldview is so heavily based on colonialism, that he doesn’t see his own hypocrisy
@@Ccats231I grow weary of his continuing belief in British Imperialism.
@@staciasmith5162
Sorry I don’t understand what you mean ? How has he expressed a continuing belief in British Imperialism ?
I don’t know James OBrian but I haven’t ever heard him express any support or admiration for British Imperialism.
I’m interested in what you consider a belief in British Imperialism means to you ?
I have a history degree and a masters based on British Imperial history and researched for two books on the topic so I am confident when I say I have no idea how you weary of James Obrian imperialist beliefs ? He hasn’t expressed any on this content.
@@Ccats231
Please explain OBrians hypocrisy when he is arguing that Israel a colonial construct not a colonial world view or mentality as you seem to think . They are not remotely the same.
Why not learn the difference yourself before calling other people hypocrites
Next thing that happens we will see Pierce DoyoucondemnHammas Morgan resolving his moral quandary.
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Whenever he asks someone if they condemn Hamas, they should reply with "do you codemn phone hacking?"
What exactly are witnessing now that wasn't apparent 6 weeks ago?
Be less antisemitic and ask last 3 weeks.
@@constantinvaldor3742define antisemitic.
@@constantinvaldor3742 🐗🐖⤴😅😆😂😆
Or 6 years ago. Or 16 years ago.
well done James, as usual you never fail to put my thoughts into words
TOOK HIS TIME
The complete blockade of food, water medical supplies and essential fuel shortly after the 7th October was for me a strong indication of how things were going to pan out. Any military action stretches a health service in any country. To deprive that system of medical supplies would very swiftly lead to the horror now unfolding in Gaza.
It’s a war. A war which the Gazans started. War is not meant to be a summer camp
It's amazing how horrible they've treated the Palestinians given their history. There is absolutely no justice. I don't know how they can live with themselves and their duplicitous treatment of the Palestinians over 100 years.
When even The TERRORIST Catholic Church is accusing you of TERRORISM, yeah you've reached a new low.
James doesn’t giggle and sugar coat nothing he says it how it is 👌
Calling out Israel is NOT antisemitism. It’s anti-atrocities
We are fighting human animals, and we act accordingly,” said Defense Minister Yoav Gallant, a former Israel Defense Forces commander who now serves in Netanyahu’s hard-line nationalist government. - I think that says everything you need to understand about the Israeli Governments attitude
You had to be blind if you did not know this would happen. It was so obvious. It's always been obvious.
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“ it’s a church In Gaza so it was ok” that is the mentality of these people
thanks for talking for palestines. they are suffering in a extreme way, thanks because maybe just maybe if we speak up israel stop it.
Thank you James peace brother stay safe❤
James is awesome, he needs to talk to Piers Morgan. He’s been answering all of the idiotic questions idiotic questions that Piers asks his own guests, would be nice to see him get the answers that actually make him look like the shill he is.
100%
Very brilliant interviewer. Calm and collected.
James, what the Palestinians go through has been referred to an apartheid by South Africans themselves!
Yes. In the purest form. Imagine Putin did this or Erdogan ? Or some Arab country? The outrage of the elites would be out of this world
"Is water wet? Today, we contemplate the issue on the show."
I don't understand, no matter what nationality or religion you are, seeing all the atrocities happening in front of our eyes, you can be ok with it. Where's your humanity?
How the British can maintain any conversation about Gaza in the middle-east while holding land in the North of Ireland is beyond.
Free Palestine
Bob I appreciate your opinion I think it’s very fair. And we can only hope for some credible solution for this madness. Very disheartening for people who fall into either category. If you are a Jewish person you could face being branded with an extreme regime government or if you are a Muslim you are classed under the umberella of hxxxs. It’s only going breed hate everywhere and that is a wider disaster for civil peace all over the world. 😢 very dark and sad times ahead i fear
Wow! How can that even be a question? Of course we are
I salute you James 🫡 may the establishment don’t cancel you like they did with many others
Are we? Yes, we are. Its not even a question now
We used to have a family of Jehova Witnesses that used to knock on our door. I am an atheist but politely listened to their twaddle and took their leaflets (binned as soon as I closed the door). This all changed one day when they came to my door and their son aged about 8 started quoting the Jehova beiliefs from memory as his parents stood their looking on proudly. I was furious and told his parents they should be reported and their children removed from them for their brainwashing. I never got another copy of watchtower after that. I never reported them as I realised almost every child from all religions went through the same brain washing.
But can you apply that to Israelis without be labelled antisemitic? That’s the problem, every religion has been mocked regardless of the reaction. But we’re silenced towards that one country. Whatever your opinion about religion, until we can be critical of ‘that country’ without being labelled stigmatised cautioned charged, only then we can move on otherwise we’re hypocrites.
Thr Israeli people are as much victims of Netanyahu and his Zionist government as the Palestinians but regretfully they will be the ones facing the backlash of anti semitism throughout the world @@TheArchitect101
Well done James for taking the intelligent view on this, one where you weigh up both sides' feelings, I have zero hatred toward the Jewish people, however this "revenge" bombardment has gone too far and it's nice to see recognition of that.
FREE PALESTINE 🇵🇸
Err yes. Anyone who says otherwise has eyes but is blind.
James: "I don't think we ever really encounter anybody serious who says Israel doesn't have the right to defend itself".
Is the UN special rapporteur, Francesca Albanese, not someone to be taken seriously?
Big fan James, but there is a serious case to be made on the question of Israel's right to self defense as it pertains to threats emanating from within a territory it occupies.
Excellent point and true as far as i’m concerned
@@tomdd8759 much obliged
Are we still asking this question?
The 'Great Britain' couldn't have chosen a more controversial or incendiary Jewish enclave.
When Joe Biden said “learn from our mistakes in Iraq” Netanyahu should have listened and would have gained the respect of the world but he preferred his political seat
“Learn from mistakes in Iraq”
I distinctly remember Netanyahu with his Drawing of Iraqi WMD’s in the US Congress before the Iraq invasion 2.0.
The mistake in Iraq was going in in the first place. The entire endeavour.
10 weeks too late ffs
a very vivid picture i heard someone paint was, we all have schools close to us, a school has say 300-500 children, now imagine how many school's worth of children have been slaughtered in this brutality already, about 20 schools have been wiped clean ......
How has a full investigation on Oct 7th not taken place yet? Mind boggling 6 hours without response
This is geno cide. The textbook definition. With clearly stated and often repeated INTENT.
20,000 dead a heavy price to pay for 1 person to walk away! Brilliant statement!
Most people in the world want the war in palistine to stop 🛑
Israel have made Gaza an assesination camp
Thank you guys saying the truth. Truth will prevail
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Yes!!!
finally you are saying it james
He's not even coming close to acknowledging the roots to this problem.
What a question after 2 months of devastating murders ……
I think only true Hebrews I n Israel are Ethiopian . Jews and we no what happened to them
Shame on the world to let something like this just keep going on....
Big Respect to James O Brien, for standnig up for right cause regarding race and etnicity!
well said bob peace and love to you and your family
Thanks a lot,Sir ,for great show!!
This Irishmen is proud of brother O’Brien! Appreciate your sincerity and honor
When will this all stop ????!!!!!