Face The Nation | DA wants a power sharing partnership: Helen Zille weighs in
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- DA Federal council chairperson Helen Zille says the ANC cannot dictate terms as this has to be a power sharing arrangement in Gauteng. She was addressing the media on the outcomes of negotiations between the DA and the ANC on forming a government of provincial unity. She says despite progress in negotiations the DA and the ANC in Gauteng have not yet reached an agreement on forming a government. Zille says out of the ten provincial cabinet posts in Gauteng, the ANC wants to give the DA three executive council posts.
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ANC was never ready for this. It hasn't hit home that ANC has lost in the mindset of its provincial leaders. ANC knows, once DA has it's leg in the door, Gauteng politics will never be the same again. It's a soft coup, I love it. DA should remain firm..
ANC Amasela they are hiding their stealing , they r scared of DA
@@sanelekhulaphi1007 They should learn to work together in proportional representation. That is what the electorate said. It acts as checks and balances. Prevents Corruption. Prevents contracts to be given to a girlfriend and chomies.No more secret deals. Promotes due diligence.
If South Africa had a GNU for the last 30 years, we would be having a decadent country.
@@babatundeolagoke2687 I wish people can see it that way and stop the fuss of textbook ideologies.. We aren't naive we know what Yony Leon said about Musi Maimane. There could be more in the resistance. It could be the last kick in an attempt to hide corruption that has been happening in these departments.
ANC must let go seriously amahlathi aphelile
There has to be power sharing. The people voted that way. The ANC will cut their own throats if they ignore the DA.
I do not know what the hullabaloo is all about. ANC got 34% ot the electorate. DA got 28%.There are 13 cabinet positions, 34% of 13 positions should be ANC.
DA has 28% of the electorate,so cabinet positions should be worked out on these proportions.
The ANC is really going through the first stage of grief : Denial
The DA is being fair here. The DA should is more popular in Gauteng than nationally. The ANC has to honor agreements,
Hellen what about the will of voters in KZN?
Bias of magogo
Hypocritical DA must not be allowed to dictate terms. They threw that principle out the window in KZN.
Well, Zuma was busy fighting about the elections and the other 56% of the KZN voters did not sit around waiting for the MK party to say they are now feeling ready. They went ahead and formed a government. You snooze, you loose.
@@marieslabbert6009 you lie unprovoked,DA is dishonest together with the ANC. At least 1 of you if not both of you at the next elections
@@marieslabbert6009we aren’t talking about tht. But I don’t blame u I have never been at school with an intelligent afrikaaner😂
The “will of the people” argument from the DA is intellectually dishonest. If so, they should have insisted on an MK premier & at least 4 MEC’s in KZN.
This magogo think SA belong to her
56%>44% so DA is correct
DA amaphixiphixi😂
Lol.@@AndrewMcFarlane_1
So you are expecting the DA to fight MK battles whilst you are busy dancing from one rally to another with Jacob Zuma😂😂😂
Myself and many will never vote for ANC ever again. Period
Zyakhala, at this point most people feel the same. For the future what the alternative.
38% of Gauteng did not vote for either ANC/DA, what make this two parties think that they are the will of the people in Gauteng
DA agrees with you
They DA agrees that neither of them won.
Their argument is that since they are only 6% apart from the ANC - it is a slap in the face for them to have DOUBLE the seats.
So to be fair, the ANC should get 4, DA gets 3, the other 3 go to others.
Perfect..! 3, to other parties who might join the GNU later.. ANC should reserve the seats...
The DA is far more intelligent than the ANC. The ANC Government has proved that it had previously failed.
Helen Zille is far too smart for the ANC Government. The DA is in the GNU to save the country. They are for the people not for their pockets.
4 for ANC, 3 for DA , and remainder for other parties.
The anc was not going to bring in other parties, they wanted to keep it all for the anc faction-
If they pay for their transport and cut off blue lights it's the final nail on the anc coffin
Will of the people was denied in KZN.
45% of KZN eligible to vote voted for MKP. we have primier of 18% voted for his party. 82% people of KZN didn't want IFP
Bafo uyabona ishawa indiva leyo ngoba iqiniso alikho kwipolitiki.
@@ZuzumziNgubo umzansi ubolile, this magogo akasiboni as black people.
Politic is a dirty game but this will not end well.
The KZN cabinet does reflect the will of the people of KZN. 45% is less than a majority - maybe you need some maths literacy
@@WilliamPulles mxm you talking gubbage
MK is not part of the GNU. They were too disorganized and shocked from their win they didn't even know how to consolidate a government. This useless GNU overtook them basala bakhamisile.
anc policies has failed we need to try the policies of the DA!
South Africans have become poorer under ANC rule and unemployed.
DA should also know it did not win the elections
South Africa was poor pre 1994.
@@tinnyntshili8009 are u serious no wonder they call ur type ama 2000 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@suhailzn review the "South African Reserve Bank series on GDP growth for 1965 to 2012", "an alternative perspective on South Africa's public debt, 1962 to 1994" by Estian Calitz and read "Apartheid Grand corruption" by Henie van Vuuren. At present we are not in the best economic state but these challenges are not unique in this country but that doesn't give our government a reason to relax, we expect them to uphold their commitment of creating a better South Africa.
@@suhailznyes she is serious and she is right.. go read your books
What policies have the ANC made that have created a significant positive impact on the ground? I see many negative impacts,,appalling education standards , collapse of services like electricity ,water ,sewerage, road repairs and refuse removal . Not to mention the collapse of the majority of the SOE's . All of this as well as rampant crime and corruption have led to mass unemployment and inequality. I note that BEE has been very helpful to the ANC top brass and their cronies ,many of whom are billionaires today.
ANC is in the denial stage in the cycle of grief. They will need to snap out of it soon
BEE should be scrapped completely, and replaced with a program where black graduates are encouraged to do postgraduate studies in technical and different specialties needed for the economy. That should be BEE.
Tokio puts the anc position of superiority in the light. They don't see a government of unity they see a position where the anc is superior. Only a matter of time before the anc start their normal theft from the citizens of SA.
That's not a problem. There are thousands of black postgraduate students. BEE addresses something far greater.
I wish people can understand BEE before making ill-informed statements.
you are lost in season 88.
@@sanelekhulaphi1007 Unfortunately, there's a narrative to make ill-informed statements as an excuse to scrap BEE
We want to vote again in Gauteng. I think 34% was misunderstood. Perhaps 18% will be better understood. It will sink in.
What about 28%?
Totally Agree😂
@@MrLechesait will increase
Agree, ANC is in big trouble
Am scared, the ANC will easily go directly win to 10%🙆🙆🙆
Why didn’t they use this so called the will of the people when it came to KZN? Bloody hypocrites
The GPU in KZN has more than 50% and therefore are the will of the people. MK has less than 50% and didn't have support from other parties to form a coalition. Not hypocrite, it is just the rule of law
Does an signed Agreement mean anything to the ANC? Listen to the ANC leadership in Gauteng yesterday, I felt that the ANC does not seem to accept that they do not have 50% +1. I am even more worried about the ability of Gauteng to be realistic and face reality.
Go to school first
If this GNU is real why its not implemented in Western Cape and Eastern Cape we are being taken for a ride here.
Because there are outright majorities in those provinces.
What about MK inKZn with 45%
If you cannot understand what happened MK`s own arrogance and stupidity caused these radicals not to be part of the PGU.
This is about Gauteng ANC vs Ramaphosa's ANC. If Mashatile and Co can't take on the PhalaPhala Buffalo then Lesufi will do it for them. This is a protest against the sellout marriage signed at National level.
The Provincial leaders are showing them that there are other options. Why does ANC feel like it's stuck with Zille??
When it's all set and done, the protest will likely set the ground work for recalling Ramaphosa. Even if Gauteng is forced into this arranged marriage.
I forsee Lesufi ascending to National politics soon.
This narrative is completely devoid of any rational analysis. Please go to sleep Grootman, you're tired and we can tell
Lesufi should be careful beware thin ice
Very true
Read for comprehension bafanas. Dont be in a rush to respond before understanding. You dont need an analysis to see that Gauteng GP is defying whatever agreements Mbalula signed with Zille.
It's not that complicated. @@greasi
Take your own advise and rest. Perhaps you'll wake up with a clearer head.
It seems that old and arrogant dinosaur thinks she is president of SA
I thought this journalist was not biased but how he talks with Tokio he is showing his biasedness towards the DA
I agree ..this journalist is definitely biased. He seems to be an ardent ANC supporter. He probably won't have the privileges when DA takes over. Shame you guys who had it so soft for 30 years. Face reality!!!
I thought he was showing his biasedness towards ANC when he spoke to Helen. 😂 maybe he is just doing his job!
It seems like Helen is the real president of the DA and John is just the front up boy.
But its only fair to give power propotional to the percentage votes...it make perfect sense....the anc must just step back we have enough of them for the past 30years...we are fed up with the ANC...
Why didn't all these hypocrites let MK in KZN. I hope Lusufi has more brains than his party president
You guys have made a song about people like the Oppenheimers. What about people like Tokyo...he made billions and disappeared. Suddenly he reappears when the ANC is dying to resurrect it
Absolutely. ANC is super desperate to drag him out. Thabo Mbeki does not have respect for ANC party anymore. Tokyo’s spinning is quite pathetic, acting like a politician.
Oh, the DA wants a power-sharing partnership in Gauteng? That's cute. Meanwhile, the ANC must be sitting there thinking, "If only we could expand our control in GP as easily as we did on national level by inflating the government !" It's almost like they believe running a government is as as adding extra players to a board game. Monopoly, anyone?
Thank You for this upload 🫡
The Problem with all these old men 🙄 in the ANC they don't seem to think that Kids have gone up that were born 30 years ago and don't care or like the ANC,the country is in a bad state and these men are now Billionaires 😢
They want equal sharing in gauteng but failed to let mk as the majority to lead in kzn how so where does law apply ?only on anc ifp and DA😊
These politicians must stop arguing and start doing their jobs.
Mr Manyathela this is a new government which should have its new policies and governance programs, why should the ANC 6th administration overlap in to the programmes of the new administration?
What about kzn if you say so Hellen Zille
Kzn it’s a dead province full of uneducated people
...So for the DA it's the will of the people when it's suits them, where's the will of the people in KZN?..
The ANC arrogance continues unchecked. They are a minority party who want to call all the shots.
The ANCs denialism is ridiculous. And for Tokyo to come here play semantics about not having lost this but rather lost that is nonsensical in a practical sense. The numbers reflect the voters sentiments, that should be reflected in the way power is shared amongst the parties. I am not a fan of the DA but the ANC signed these statements of intent knowing full well that they would not stick to them. This a one for you, two for me nonsense.
ANC lost in polls and must be humble when discussing with DA,
Did DA got the majority vote. Who should be humble
She says in KZN it was quick, meaning ANC and IFP wud rather sellout the ppl than hv MK and eff
The question should rather be will the anc conrades in parliament be willing to sacrifice their benefits to get in line with the DA approach, I very much doubt that
What are like about Helen is that she is clear
Helen you are correct they must share equally and stop being selfish they failed so with da maybe they can rebuild Joburg this is the voters wish.
Clever black
And she allowed Mk to lead in KZN after winning majority votes... don't do politics with one eye closed
@@ThaboRampedi😂😂😂😂
Foolish black. U think DA will rule in favor of yo interest.
@@ThaboRampedithey were not a part of the GNU because they were too busy worrying about election results.
What ANC did in kzn will never be forgotten.
The ANC's problem is that it is generally led by garden boys.
What do you mean by garden boys?
Your comment is sad
@@user-md5ux8cj5w He feels superior to them.
Why do we need so many ministers and the president now went and put 2 deputy ministers if He has a deputy minister from another party he is adding another deputy minister from his party they have lost misersbley because people have seen them for the curruption that they are involved in why do they still have the say in where our votes go to all these parties that are determining our future doesn't have all races in parliament in kzn there's not 1 Indian or colored in kzn
Clement, you are nias , you should have mentioned that 30 years ANC has been in power for 30 years and all has collapse. You cannot blame DA for the wrongs on the country. Secondly, Tokyo has been quite all this time about corruption by the ANC.
@mthobisisikhakhane,exactly my sentiment, Tokyo is totally not trustworthy same as Mbeki, Phosa, Mabuza and Motlanthe, these HONORABLES, except DD MABUZA they have publicly mocked and criticized the ANC and the current Leadership of being corrupt to the core. And to our supprise they collectively came out from their comfy zones and campaigned for the very ANC how can Safricans trust such a chameleon like beings, these guys are greedy drunk and very insatiable, what is in their minds is self enrichment no interest for the poor Safricans who are living in dire abject poverty, VUKA DARKIE.
Bathobamodimo, MK is not part of GNU and doesn't need DA to fight its battle.
Majorty are dishonest. Its written into their DNA
But how is Clement saying its fair coz they invented everyone and the EFF rejected to sign but the truth is y did the ANC made the DA sign first then EFF + MKP after, y not the other way around and see if the DA would hv agreed to sign a GNU of EFF + MKP ?
M just happy DA is telling ANC with all its voters, that they are stupid, even on TV, publicly 😂
Tokyo needs to accept that the ANC policies for the last 30 years didn't work, and poverty has grown under their leadership. Parties like the DA also want to help the poor. They just have other ideas of doing so. Their policies should be given a chance since the ANC and radical leftist policies hasn't worked.
DA helping the poor? Ur such a brazen liar or ur simply stupid. The DA is fighting on behalf of whites only
IFP are Sellout
Incorrect. THE ANC are the real sellouts who have sold this country to their very own corrupt politicians their families and tenderpreneurs who have robbed with impunity and have not even been able to take care of the very basic needs of the citizens of this country particularly the poor. In fact the country has been so badly managed that it has regressed at an unbelievably alarming rate.
So you'll keep the ANC to the same standard for blue lights and perks? Or will you just capitulate when they say they are entitled to have these.
Tokyo still can't come terms with the reality of the situation 😂😂😂 ya lost!!!! (Shannon Sharp voice)😂😂
Gogo Zillie is on every news outlet😂😂
If Helen is a gogo the something is wrong with your eyes. The ANC has a grand gogo running our army. Also a lot of your ministers should have been on pension 30 years ago
@briangovender4406 lol alright.😂
Tokyo is also a denialist😂😂😂😂😂😂😂. He should correct his look on stuff
Clement does not reflect things correctly but am happy he was corrected every minute. Tell the truth. The ANC never chose a party to work with..
The ANC Is not acting fairly, it needs to faily incease the positions for the DA, they have a lot of people from their camps to cater
He nailed this delivery great news brother
The DA is correct, the anc must realise that it can't b as business as usually its dominancy is over we voted exactly to prevent its dominancy an arrogance.
Regarding MKP not in the GNU,bafowethu, is shocking but remember guys almost all parties in the GNU ever tried to approach the mkp but to my understanding they gave a run around, saying 'ubaba akekho' manje kwakungek bafowethu kulindwe the constitution is clear by seeting the time frame of forming a government after elections.
Voters have spoken in KZN, but, the very Helen confidently insult Voters voice that for DA whom the Voters did not choose, would be irresponsible to respect the voice of the Voters in KZN.
"May All Who Come Behind Us Find Us Faithful."
Only if Solomon Mahlangu were to wake up to his last words before he was hanged, "Tell my people that I love them and that they must continue the fight, my blood will nourish the tree that will bear the fruits and freedom, A luta continua."
Is there a voice to eco these words to our current ANC Leadership on behalf of Solomon Mahlangu' people that he gave his life for?
The Voice of Solomon Mahlangu...... Where is the youth of 1976....?
Don't involve Solomon Mahlangu in your nonsense 😂😂😂, the man is dead please let him rest in peace
😭😭😭😭😭
None of this is the will of the voters!!!
Another thing guys some of us here blame the DA,anc and the other parties as to why they formed the Gnu with party A or B. We forget thatha u can' dictate to party A or B whereas u did not vote for that party. Pls guys we must under democracy, u can't say pary so is wrong or a sell out simply because u don't like that party, no guys
The SABC anchor who was interviewing Tokyo and Helen was very biased. He clearly showed that he was for Panyaza decision . It was an embarrassment. His journalism is very poor. Fortunately Tokyo avoided to be drawn into that bias. Tokyo remained neutral showing political maturity. His boss must talk to him. SABC is for all. Shame.
There is a superior logic at play. It was the DA who coined ‘Doomsday coalition’…and said it is prepared to do anything to avert that coalition. So the DA is prepared to be used in any way for as long as it holds back the doomsday coalition. If I am ANC strategist the position with regards DA is that it gets nothing, no cabinet position for DA, no ministerial position for DA, no deputies for DA…nothing. The ANC must take back all it gave the DA.
Theoretically ANC can disband the GNU Label DA as the enemy invite EFF and other black parties and govern. If Zille doesent see that she is pretty stupid.
This was about to happen at National level.
DA HELEN ZILLIE IS RIGHT ✅ 👌 👍 👏 🙌
Only when they are on the 2nd spot?Kzn they acted blind. This is all about them not the voters
And they must stand their ground
One thing about gogo Helen is that she knows her stuff. She's very clear on issues,...tough cookie ngempela🇿🇦
Well done DA
Stop fighting and serve the nation and clean Joburg service delivery please
First they need to sort things out,Mayle used to bully, they are not the majority party they must get that into their heads😮
DA will deliver like they do in the Western Cape
Do they deliver in nyanga langa and Gugulethu?
Loved the line of questioning to Tokyo, would have loved the same for Helen.
WHO voted for DA in gauteng vele vele??
The DA as well didn't win that's why they offered you 3 seats because it's still the ANC who's in charge and invited you to join the GNU
As an ANC voter, I want Helen Zille to stand firm it won't be easy to liberate South Africans from many years of being held hostage by thugs.
“My blood will nourish the tree that will bear the fruits of freedom. Tell my people that I love them. They must continue the fight.” - Solomon Kalushi Mahlangu #Mayibuye #TheWillOfThePeopleIsTheLandGogo
Very painful... Solomon Mahlangu and Steve Biko were brutally murdered at a very young age. Imagine hanging a 22 year old boy 😢 these people are cruel shame 🤞
What about the will of kzn voters who voted Mk with 45%
As Zuma not the DA
😂55% is bigger that 45% Stop embarrassing yourself🙈
They aren’t a part of the GNU cos they too busy complaining about election results and don’t want to join it because of ANC Ramaphosa.. So they lost out on the opportunity to govern.
@@venge5665now your exposing your stupidity
@@MzamoAdoons372so its a zuma thing??? Not the people's will???
The interviewer doesn't understand how the markets and money works 😂
Very ignorant this Manyathela dude!
🤔🤔Wht market and monie have to do with the questions 😳
@@ngoakosemenya5890 go back and listen to the conversation with Tokyo.
The ANC wants to play by their own rules to have absolute control. It must be according to votes
The Best Political Presenter by far Manyathela, for The Afrikan Voice/ Concerns.
You Asks all the relevant questions that a layman n laywoman voters who have been left in the woods while now The Elites's concern is suddenly Markets, not people who votes.
Democracy, Elections, Westminster/USA Constitutions in Afrikan soil are MEGA CENTURIES SCAMS, and will ever bring Peace, let alone Prosperity for Motherland Afrika n Her Children. Only Afrikan culture,Customs, Spirituality UBUNTU_HUMANITY bases solutions can bring change.
ANC had chance to radically change things for 30 years, Now Gogo Skhotheni Zile ukhona, Ziyakhala manje, on expense of poor Black South Afrikans😢😢😢
DA are leading the country that's all
Coalition, Collusion, later a probable Collision,,, What type of Collaboration do we really have
Clement my brother you are one of a kind journalist you Asked him difficult questions and he was dodgy about the markets.
Will of voter's only apply when suitable for magogo in kzn it does not matter
The DA is to ANC Gauteng what EFF is to the DA.
This lady is crazy. You can’t take away constitutional powers through an agreement. The premier has powers to appoint MECs. The DA can be left out of the PG.
Hero of mine as he definitely is, Sexwale misleads when he says the 1994 GNU was an ANC initiative; it was in fact Slovo's sunset clause that was part of the transitional agreements, not an ANC initiative after the fact.
That unity had no purpose. The ANC always bent backward to impress the oppressors
What about the will of the voters in kzn?
The Markets are also our pensions and foreign capital. The finance minister can't protect anything if the markets don't trust the policies of government.
Lesufi and gang are fighting a lost battle😂😂😂
KZN MKP the same logic was not applied.this is hypocritical and too ghastly to contemplate
This woman speaks sense...perfect sense
lol The same woman who said DA wont work with EFF or MK
@ThabisoThwala-is9nx did they not say the same? Stop being childish
Others decided to not sell out
ANC policy and lack of capacity is where we are....thankfully perhaps the DA opposite traits will motivate the rest of the GNU to perform!
South African politics has never fought for positions like Helen Zille, I support that she should be removed from South African politics.
None of this is the will of the people, what about mkp in kzn
The voters wanted MK in KZN but what happened? use the same theory come on
Let them unite and face the scourge in Gauteng how are they going to get Joburg right if they do what they are doing
Emotional intelligence of both two representative s of ANC and DA says it all.
Watch these space!!!
Fully agree with Tokyo the political class better jack up their act and start working for the people and not themselves.
Tokyo Sexwale must admit that the ANC is working for the western countries that's why they are controlled by the markets and they were forced to go on coalition with the D.A.
According to Thabo Mbeki the ANC is a front for Moscow 😅
The only countries that the ANC is paying homage to is the BRICS block NOT western countries. Where have you been hiding all these years. The ANC despises westerners..This useless ANC was FORCED into a coalition ONLY because the voters deserted the ANC and quite rightly so as this party is absolutely corrupt and incompetent.