Circling - Authenticity, Connection, & Transformation
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- Circling is a new practice and a way of relating that is growing all over the world. By relating in the present moment - beyond stories, expectations and predetermined ideas about who you are - Circling has the capacity to reveal your unique gifts, set a new precedent for what is possible in authentic relationships, and generate radical transformation, personal growth and mindfulness.
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Yarvin Gang wuz here
He was right about the porno energy.
yeah im basically a normal person like you, except i read better articles than you and see the world through a more accurate lens and think about things better than you
Gang gang
This would be useful for a class in how to speak Californian.
Bay Area specific
Just take all the words in the English language that have warmth to them, like home and welcome and open and empathy, and say them over and over again in different permutations.
Especially empathy. Say that one a lot.
@@rainmaker6261 weaponized empathy hahahaha
@@rainmaker6261 And 'Shining'. That comment at 1:05:00 or so about 'shining'...I have no idea what that meant. Or the comment before it, for that matter.
@@anonmouse3450 Yarvin hit the nail on the head with the platonic pornography assessment. These people are trying to bootstrap and fast-track words and concepts and feelings that need to be earned. 5 minute abs version of interpersonal connection.
"You want the feelings of friendship and home and community, right? Of course you do! We all do! Well, you're in luck! Because all those things are just a click away! Come sit in a circle with our empath shamans for an hour and all those feelings can be yours, for a small fee!"
Bay Area stays innovating even in the dark arts; this is a soft version of Landmark and other human potential cults.
I’d also start crying if I had so many sweaty, stockinged feet stuck out in my direction.
This was one of the top listings when I googled 'circling'...and I assumed since this was posted, that the creators felt this was an example of a good session.
I hope this isn't really considered a good example of what circling is, because it was really asinine, and if continued as a practice, could be very harmful to the recipients of this (in that a person like this woman could feel she'd discovered something about herself, something helpful, when really, all that happened was that she was puffed up with obscure and ambiguous compliments by people who acted as though they knew her..when they did not know her at all).
A gratuitous display of the most feeble of platitudes wrapped up in strange jargon, tied together with layer upon layer of ego-stroking... and put into her mind as though they are helpful to her? Truly bizarre.
I have seen/experienced groups where people care about each other in true ways, and truly help each other; this 'we act like we're intimate with you when we just met' is not that kind of group!
Side note, Did anyone else find all the strange 'agreement humming/moaning' rather...um...awkward?
It seems to me that people who loudly "hmm" in agreement in a group of people are seeking attention off of other people's comments. Like, "yes, you said something, but now pay attention to me paying attention to you." One on one communication is different, and showing that you are listening is good.
I don't see the problem here. They ain't hurting no body. It's just hippie shit. This is shit hippies get together and do. Hippies said silly-i-ly of course
I 100% agree with your entire comment, and yes the groaning and moaning felt like cult groupie behaviour used as a mechanism to belong to the group.
This seems to be a woman with an anxious avoidant personality type that needs trauma informed therapy, not artificial community.
The PMC are truly dead inside.
Idk I don't see empathy in everyone's eyes. I see hunger. It's like a psychological feeding.
It's like a hall of mirrors.
Everyone remember, “Dreams don’t work unless you do.”
Gray mirror we out here
stay moldy
May I ask what this is referring to?
“Hmmm,mmm” the language of cultists.
Seeing this, through the eyes of a fairly strong, dominant man, I realize this is a part of my personality that I could really stand to develop. Looking at this from my perspective… It’s way over the top for what I would want to be personally, it seems like some real touchy-feely hippie drum circle ( well meaning ) People that allow their emotions to be the first filter of their minds . My first feelings are that too much of this will put peoples feeling first and makes people easily led to slaughter. This world doesn’t lend itself very well to lambs. I believe stoicism would be a good balance to this. We need to become warriors of our mind, as well as empathetic and sympathetic to others. It’s amazing and good for sure .
Agree
We've seen what strong "dominant" men can do in 2020. Fauci, legislators, the big for profit medicine companies, and their friends, the regulators.
Strong dominance is good until your institutions are corrupt to the core.
Empathy and emotion is great until it leads to this "collective" vs "individual" dichotomy where collective is emphasized. In this case the empathetic and the dominant both did us in. Big farma and government made the sheep be their experiment.
waiting for them to take their clothes off and start going at it but it never happened
remember Yarvin said its a PLATONIC orgy hahaha
I just want to know what they play on that ps4
Dude spoilers 😑
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who else from moldbug
Curtis Yarvin brought me here
Another commenter mentioned that everyone here seems spiritually hungry. I agree. The look of desperation is peristsent on every face here. Disturbing.
I could only get about 15 min in, but is the point of circling to speak your TRUE feelings in order to be authentic - or what feelings people want to be true? I hear people reflecting others statements to hear them, but there were times I doubted that people saying things really believed them. Yet nobody says anything about doubting.
This seems like an affirmation only approach, which can be good if a person needs practice being open. However, I can see this quickly become dangerous, as demonstrated here, because there is no challenge to ground feelings with reality. Sure, I can feel angry/joy/etc - but there is an important next step which is to decide the reality of what those feelings are telling me.
I may feel fear, when in reality I am suffering unhealthy, and unrealistic anxiety. Just sharing my fear over and over is clinically going to lead you into more and into destructive patterns. Feelings are fleeting and do not always reveal reality.
So, I think circling is a good way for people to first learn to share and hear others; but you should quickly move beyond it to deeper emotional intelligence efforts that root feelings in reality and productive actions.
You doubt the circlers authenticity and find it dangerous to just agree with their feelings as it prevents them from grounding in reality? What is your experience of me asking that question?
Honestly, this practice often opens up people to be much deeper.
Challenging happens more as people get used to authentic relating. "It seems like you aren't being genuine?" "Please reveal why you want to ask them that question." But most important would be to own it from the self perspective. "I have the sense that you aren't being genuine, is that true?"
Noticing it also may be your own filter in the world to doubt others intention or even question their tone of voice also can reveal a lot.
@@Vyrkgrl I feel like all this is too forced to be authentic, it seems more pretending to be penetrating and deep and pretending to believe what pretty words others are saying just to feel better about yourself, which may work for a little while. Big smiles and teary eyes but does anybody ever say that they think someone is ugly, or smells bad, or has irritating tics or behaviors, or that they dislike them without knowing why exactly, or that they're doubting whether this is any genuine at all, or that they think this thing may be making people weaker? If not, then that's a problem I think, because then this isn't genuine at all, then it's just fake peptalk.
I watched all of it and this reminded me of Gestalt personal development groups. After a woman said, 'And that reminds me of a past life experience I had...' it began to feel more like a spiritual, affirmation-based coaching circle.
If this is an accurate representation of what circling is, it feels to me like a branded, amalgamated version of a few things that already exist. I'm not seeing anything new, though I can see how it can be valuable.
I commend the woman who shared so openly. It's one thing to do that in a group, it's another thing to put that on the internet.
Self-deception, something you should look into I think.
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Authenticity is a con game.
I want those chairs.
Probably the only thing I'd want from that room... :-)
I like Circling except when people try and interpret each other's reporting.
I realize that Circling uses Facilitators, and this is part of the role of facilitation: penetrating with inquiry and awareness, inviting the articulation to come out. It's hard to do this in a clean and non-invasive way.
NVC might be able to help with this issue.
Or, maybe this is just the way the inventors have decided to do it and I just don't like it. LOL
It’s the plants. That’s the giveaway..
actually eye-opening insight lmao
@@reverie4632 appreciate the fellowship.😆👍
yo Guy - it's been a minute! I just created a 5 minutes intro to circling/tutorial and wanted a good follow on video, so I added your/this video to my end screen. Let me know if you'd rather I remove it. (btw the intro/tutorial is here czcams.com/video/xgvEd1eNszI/video.html )
a surefire sign of a cult is when you can't be sarcastic.
try making a parody of the way these people talk. they will be unable to tell you aren't serious.
100%
If we look at what Sophie is saying from an attachment frame, as well as this incredible strength and independence, shes also sad and has this sense of attachment longing. This fear that shes not ultimately loveable. Of not being met. In that sense its a bit of a cycle, right?
Just heard this terminology, 'circling'. Is it just the art of not thinking the urgent 'hurry the f up, just say it'.. this how I interpret it. I sometimes suffer the 'lag' when I talk, to the point I tell myself to 'hurry the f up'. I feel this circling thing won't cure me, all my life, for 30+ years I talk with myself, full conversations.. I knew/know I'm not normal, but I don't give a crap what people think, however I try to conceal it, very well if I say so myself.. sometimes it's a burden, and through years I have found the conversations with myself is infinitely more intellectual than when I'm speaking to someone whose not me, which kind of depresses me.. but I've accepted it, and grew to, as mentioned, not give a crap.
I say this circling thing won't 'cure' me, because years ago, my own self therapy for it was to just talk to people, about anything, especially when I felt like not talking, and especially when the other wouldn't expect me to talk .. I've become 'better' at communicating and socialising (it was never an issue), but this self conversation thing is still strong, perhaps grows stronger as time goes..
I like it though, It actually helps me keeps me happy, objective and opportunistic .. y'know like having my own therapist trying to lay it down and talk it through
As mentioned above, the only regret I have is, somehow I cannot speak the way I do myself, onto others.. this might sound weird, but even my voice is different... Not sure why I'm posting this here, tbh this is the first I've 'explained' this thing to anyone... Maybe just the vibe I get from the vid
Do you often talk to yourself aloud? Also, I feel like this approach is very odd, I hate to say it, but it is almost like the people are emotional vampires who revel in getting someone to open themselves to the group.
@@josueramirez7247 whenever I have the chance, I will talk aloud.. simply, I won't if there's people around
Though, I agree theyre emotional vampires, I feel these peoples must be doing this for the first time, or one of the first time.. I reckon, when people are finally free to feel like they want to, or need to be open with others, they will inflict their own baggage first e.g. say, some gossip butterfly does this for the first time, out of a suggestion from a friend, the gossip girl is going to spend a vast proportion of their emotional energy comparing others with other people they know whom have the same "issues".. I'm guessing, after years of doing this, they won't be able to hear their intuition that runs comparisons, but be pure and actually open their inner selves... So it's like sport,.. it take practice.
nope. circling is mirroring. mirroring neurons do not develop when the child is neglected. neuroplasticity kicks in with circling and the rebuilding of neurons that are responsible for identiry formation. It has nothing to do with what others " think" but how YOU feel seen and heard.
I think we learned from circling by the questions that are asked… It’s not so much the people that are being circled as much as it is to learn how to pull this out from people. Unfortunately, I think it gives an unrealistic idea because most people won’t be this touchy-feely. I want to see how this is done to average people that might not be as open to their feelings. I think it’s a wonderful tool to be able to empathize and draw this out from people.
I’ve been in a circling group for a few months. I’ve also worked at authenticity for 40 years. I honor that each person here showed courage in the times they expressed. I have to say that this is more an example of how circling easily falls into talking philosophy, sharing wisdom, talking about past, talking concepts, and being only positive. All of that feels safer, but it’s not deep and not empowering, not transformational. Imo.
I recommend that people commenting on here re-commit to being kind and respectful. Treat others like you’d like to be treated.
the absence of protection from the dad is the real issue with SOFIE. Not the absence of her dad. the absence of PROTECTION. this is an emptiness that is created as early as age 3-4. Abandonment. the profound empathy she has is due to her abandoning her inner child and focusing on others, not her, never her, like her dad did.
What an extraordinary privilege to witness this; amazing generosity from both the central participant, and the group. The process is powerful. Looking for somewhere locally to practice this; so happy that there is an online group available too. Thank you.
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Yes, heart-centric attributes are so important for civilization to remember & teach children.
Circling rocks for this. Reach out to them with your questions! Website is here, Guy & Jon & team will take great care of you: www.circlinginstitute.com
mmmmmmmmmmmmm :) :)) :)
Lol
creepy
i like the idea and some of it feels good but other people, especially this man on the right feeling the need to interpret everyone else's experience feels very wrong. I think they think they are being authentic but that is not authenticity, that is seeing someone through your owns, your projection. Maybe ask 'her' (the woman from China) how she is experiencing this instead of someone else telling her what she is experiencing. YUCK! Good start but maybe check your ego and back up, let her tell you about her experience, not you telling her.
It is interesting she would say it’s hard to find humans As deep as her.
The second guy to talk has some problems
And he dips out halfway through.
Guy is on a whole other level
what the hell are these people talking about?
Eddie Machado feelings...?
The present moment and the thoughts and feelings that come up during it.
Circling practice
@@HLB313 eewww
Do Californians really?
I think this is important however, I think it’s also important to study stoicism as the other side to the blade of the sword. Too much softness and femininity can make it feel like a hippie drum circle full of pacifist. Unfortunately, the world doesn’t work that way to strike a really good balance, stoicism coupled with circling, would really empower people. I’m glad that I found circling, and I think it was a brain child, and some genius is quite frankly.
a real example of diversity and inclusiveness. Where that matters is in our minds
bien piratas 😂
cult
Nah. This is creepy.
They need Jesus