Leonardo Fly The Maddog MD-80 with a Real Airline Pilot: Review and Full Flight MSFS
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- čas přidán 14. 06. 2024
- Newly released is this high fidelity MD-82 for MSFS from Leonardo! In this video I'll give you a tour, full cold and dark setup and flight!
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I am a real world Airbus pilot with thousands of hours flying the real aircraft and thought it would be fun to have a look at the new detailed simulation of the longest baby 'bus by Toliss as well as the new MSFS a320 NEO. Hopefully you find this useful and it brings another perspective to your simulation. Any thoughts or comments are welcome!
This video is intended for home entertainment only and does not reflect or represent any real world aircraft or airline procedures. It is for home flight simulator enthusiasts only and has no real world application. All views expressed are my own.
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Intro Music by Fly24: • Distance Too Far.
0:00 Intro & Exterior
08:10 Cockpit & Power On
24:38 EFB, Loading, FMC, Perf
37:40 Engine Start
44:00 After Start & Taxi
48:12 Takeoff
54:05 Climb
57:47 Cruise & Software
1:09:40 Lighting
1:20:12 Descent
1:27:26 Approach
1:31:30 Landing & Replays
1:35:30 Conclusion - Hry
Sharing few things that I've found so far that can hopefully clear somethings up :D
To start up the engines, you can use the mouse wheel on the fuel leaver to introduce fuel while holding the ignition with left click OR you can use the mouse wheel to put the start switch to ignition (and it will stay there if you do it with the mouse wheel and then introduce feel and use mouse wheel to put the ignition switch back to norm)
@42:40 You use those two scroll wheels to set your TOCG and flaps that you've gotten from the performance calculator page on the EFB, that will then show you what trim setting you should be using for T/O (the green marker to the left of the trim handle shows you where you should set your trim to, it doesn't set it for you, that's why you were getting T/O warning because by scrolling the CG/FLAPS wheels you're actually not setting anything, it just a mechanism to calculate your TO trim)
If you look at your T/O page, your take off flap here would have been flaps 3, but if you look at your flaps leaver, there is no position 3, in this plane, you can fine tune your flaps (to an infinite degree) from flaps 1 to 13 and then 15 to 24) and you have to use the scroll wheel next to the flap leaver to achieve this, so you set the flap leaver in the range marked TO EXT / LAND EXT and from there you can use the wheel to fine tune it you can see the flap leaver moving in real time as you adjust the setting in the wheel)
You can move the window shade by using your mouse wheel.
Holding TAB lets you adjust the altitude select in 100ft increments. (I think there is a way to do it with the mouse, but I've forgotten)
To set throttles for takeoff, you can hit the TOGA switch on the throttles during taxi and then just ARM auto throttle once you're ready to set TO power and throttles will then go to TOGA/FLEX.
You can put the POS/STROBE switch all the way down, the strobes will only activate once you're in the air.
You can ARM NAV above 400ft and VNAV above 1000ft I believe.
@55:52 whenever trim moves by a degree you'll hear that warning sound, just telling you trim is moving, you get the warning sound even when you're on the ground.
TCAS also works! :D
@1:19:21 You can set DH using the scroll knob to the right of the altitude indicator (knob labeled PFD DH), the two bottom knobs underneath are for adjusting the brightness of PFD, ND, and WRX/Terrain.
@1:24:49 the fuel heaters are on a timer I believe, I forgot what the duration is but basically you hit it, it'll power on the heating for few minutes and power off automatically.
"The Fuel Heat is not meant to heat the fuel in the tanks or something. It is purely to rid the fuel system of any ice that might have built up during cruise. That's why you turn the on for one cycle ONLY before takeoff or approach. The idea is that if you do a takeoff or go around, high amounts of fuel are needed to support the Fuel Control Unit, and you don't want fuel ice getting in the way."
BTW if you click the battery switch a 2nd time, it will turn the little knob and lock it in place so it can't be turned off accidently.
Sorry for the long comment/wall of text xD
This is great stuff, thank you so much and I’ll be sure to try and include it next time! Really appreciate the time you took to help here!
Anytime captain, glad you found it helpful
Man thanks so much for this. I was going nuts over the flap warning on takeoff and how to set flaps 19 when there is no such position. You've been a great help.
To add to that fuel heater bit, there are oil/fuel heat exchangers but those switches supply bleed air to separate fuel heat exchangers.
You seem like you would be the person to ask, is there a way to set the baro to STD when passing threw transition asides from scrolling it back to 29.92 manually in this plane?
I'm by no means knowledgeable on this sort of aircraft, but for some reason I adore it. It's nuts. It's like if a Douglas from the earlier 20th century grew jet engines and computerised components. A Learjet on steroids with the face of a Space Shuttle and gauges from a steam engine. It's like a 1980s Citroen. It's weird and marvellous.
That’s the magic of simulators, we get to experience so much of these unusual machines!
That is a very good comparison lol
Truth!
Thank you for your review but let´s call it what it is - the textures, especially outside, the cabin and some less visible parts of the cockpit are garbage. In fact it´s not just the textures, I think it´s got to do with 3d mapping too. The sounds are disappointing too. The airflow can barely be heard and in this plane it´s the one thing that should be audible. Other sounds are too quiet. I think it´s important that we as customers send a clear message to the devs. Otherwise we´ll be paying over $100 for planes that need separate and pricey sound packs.
Thanks for your thoughts on this David. I agree about the airflow noise, the flight deck is VERY quiet. Personally I found the flight deck textures to be of a reasonable standard during my time with it so far, but everyone will have a different opinion on this, especially at such a high price! Hopefully videos like this can help people decide if it is for them.
Sure. It´s just me going on a rant :) Your video was great, thanks!
@@davidtswI agree with your sound pack comment. The odd thing here is that it seems the most expensive add-ons tend to have the worst sound. The Hotstart Challenger is another example. Incredible aircraft but with terrible sounds. Seems they could have squeezed at least somewhat respectable sounds in with all the other work that went into it.
This and the 146 have taken MSFS immersion to a new level of enjoyment. Thank you for helping to guide us up the steep learning curve.
Have been flying both and can say that it defiantly has. We finally have good study level aircrafts in the sim. Now just waiting on PMDG to release their 737. Been closely watching their forums almost every day. Robert stated that a possible weekend release can happen if the ironed out a showstopper they had but does not seem likely that we might not get it this weekend. Hopefully next one!
You are very welcome Richard, thanks for watching!
You’ve certainly produced yet another really compelling video. I was very interested to see that although you often lamented your lack of familiarity with the MD, you still showed how quickly your ATP mind could be wrapped around this complicated machine. Beauty of a landing too; took me back to my days of commuting around the southeast aboard Delta’s fleet of Maddogs. Thanks again!
Hello, just a clarification. Usually the speed to set in the SPD / MACH readout is 250. During the TO phase the throttle goes to full and after having checked that the EPR starts to increase, the AT must be activated. For this reason, in your video during the rolling TO the plane takes time to reach VR. Correct FMA annunciator Is: EPR 50 =90 TAK OFF TAK OFF. To arm takeoff please push the side buttons on the throttle levers. Also in the lift off phase it is useful to keep the AT active in order to guarantee thrust and not speed. The horizontal bar of the FD did not follow the pitch as it should be synchronized during the lift off with AT ON. In the next step of climb out CL you can proceed at your discretion. Best regards
thank you for the comment learned something new!
@@ElitistMagi Any time...
Thank you for this tutorial video! This is my favorite by far. I like the way you explain everything and without the distraction of too many people and unnecessary music in the background interrupting the flow like I see on so many other 'party' videos. I am learning to fly this model and I agree that some of the automation is not easy to pick up but that with trial and error it will make sense. I am subscribing to your channel, you are the BEST!!! Keep making videos... you have my vote. 😀
Excellent plane. Bought it today and it is really Study Level, as it is called nowadays. Super fun 90s plane with digital and analog instruments. Sound could be a little better but will find a soundpack somewhere.
yes this aircraft grows on you, so interesting.. I really like streams that provide so much context so thankyou for this..
You are very welcome, thank you!
I am watching your video on my TV, wow it looks epic, especially the external cruise shots. A great tutorial video on this classic airliner. Most enjoyable.
Hadnt considered this plane early on, mainly because I prefer more modern airliners, but its really starting to grow on me. May add it to my lineup. Just spent better than a month flying and learning the pmdg 737, and currently working on the ATR.
Oh cool, I love your reviews! I'm glad you are covering this plane as well.
Thank you Michael! Will be streaming it for sure.
Brilliant - was hoping you’d cover the MD-80! Many thanks 👍
My pleasure Ed!
Nice video as usual. Love the calm in your voice.
You can use the mouse wheel to put the starter down and open fuel at 20%
The trim you were changing was just the indicator (based on %MAC and flap setting) . The real longitudina ltrim is set electrically with the big handle and the indicator on the right strats to move (in order to be opposite of the green indicator).
Keep up the good content.
As usual, great video. I purchased after watching, this is a must have aircraft. You are an awesome pilot.
Far too kind Jimmy, thank you!
More excuse to fly more in America! We must simulate some old Delta, American, TWA, and Allegiant flights on the channel with this bird!
Absolutely! Would love to do a TWA stream.
I flew this live on VatSim for first time yesterday (after many hours of practice) wow what a plane
So quiet. So nice to fly. Just kept having to think all the time
And it’s performance was just a joy to fly manually
Love it
The Bae 146 and this Maddog is amazing
Still love my 320.
Always very entertaining to watch an airbus pilot fumble their way around a Maddog flight deck! 😆
Having spent a little over a decade on this jet, I can tell you that Leonardo has very faithfully reproduced the systems on this aircraft in all their gritty, quirky detail. If you can justify dropping the cash and dedicate the time to learning a very quirky jet, it is a worthwhile purchase.
Hey I have a question about the flight modeling specifically engine performance if you don’t mind me asking. At optimum altitude like 33,000 feet at 126,000 pounds epr values seem to be very low to maintain m.78. Somewhere around 1.70. I’m not sure if this is how the real jet performs because many pilots have talked about the tight performance up top. Many thanks in advance.
@@elliottd323 Yes, that's a little low. Typical cruise epr was around 1.80 in the mid 30's at about 130k.
I could definitely get tight up top. The aircraft could not make it up to the higher altitudes when it was heavy.
Thanks for the kind words and for your opinion on it! Interesting to hear, I look forward to learning more about it
you know an ovehead panel has been well designed when the attendant call is next to the antiskid. :D
And the air valves are next to the… auto brake?
I flew and instructed on the DC-9 in the 80's and it still remains one of my all time favorite...I wish they would have done a DC-9 version as well but the MD-82 is still pretty good, just too much of a mish mash of old and modern technology
I'm glad you've reviewed this plane! I'll always have fond memories of the MD-82, as this was one of the first aircrafts that I remember flying in. Seeing that rear stairwell was certainly a blast from the past! Spanair had a sizeable fleet of those IIRC. There was also a fatal crash on takeoff one time. Maybe it was in Palma de Mallorca?
In any case, it seemed like an interesting plane to fly. Kind of a strange stepping stone between a Boeing and an AIrbus, really. But that cockpit could only become more 80s if it had an afro on each lever and was blasting disco music, really!
Thanks for your kind words and thoughts on this aircraft! I’d have loved to use the rear air stairs, sadly I never flew on one! Thanks again.
I did fly on an MD-90 once. Not something I could forget lol. We were in the back so we got the engine noise, and bounced around a bit, I remember before takeoff, and after landing I always thought it looked like a flying pencil.
I haven’t tested the MD83 and MD88 yet, though. I’m sure they’re similar to MD82. Usually slight changes with the fuselage, number of PAX and range
Yes I am interested to see them actually!
@@320SimPilot Powerful engines in MD88, haven't tested MD83 yet. Worth the money, I think. It's a bit like with CRJ, can manage with one model, but nice having all four :)
Thanks for the review. I used to fly the Rotate MD-80 in X-Plane quite a bit and loved it and its quirks. My family and I are on holiday in Bulgaria right now and luck would have it that we flew here with an European Air charter (previously Bulgarian Air charter) MD-82 . I knew some were still around (I believe they are ex Alitalia ones) but I thought for sure we would fly here in an Airbus … btw we were way in the back near the engines, quite noisy indeed - but we were out very quickly after arrival because of the back stairs. Now I need to either reinstall X-Plane or get this one ;-) lately I only flew DCS, but the MD-82 (and your video) sparked my interest for conventional flight sims again!
Very cool that you got to fly on one so recently! Thanks for your comment and kind words Kilian!
Hey! As by my actual experience on type 82/83: to set altitude in increments of 100' you'd push the the button and rotate. Not sure how this works in the simulator.
Very nice to see you try the MD80! Bang on landing! Keep it up :D
Thank you, very kind!
That was a very smooth landing given this is from the MD80 family
It is a great time for flight sim enthusiasts!
It is indeed!
If the fuel is warmer the heat exchange will become less efficient; the delta between the two liquids is now less.
Suggestion / thing i leanrt: In a mcdonnel douglas aircraft, handlfy to a certain altitude say 3000-4000 agl and then make sure ur aligned to LNAV heading, and then turn on the autopilot/ gyropilot/autoflight in this
Thanks, great idea and certainly would have helped!
Looks like you should’ve been a maddog pilot, that was one hell of a landing
I got lucky here!
What a landing!
Nice video, it is amazing how ergonomics design has come.
Regarding hydraulics and flight controls, it is used on flight spoilers, rudder and there also is a elevator assist powered by hydraulics (this should be checked by pushing the yoke forward when on the ground, a blue lights on the fwd overhead annunciator panel)
Also regarding elev trim. @48:50 you were adjusting the trim/flap settings for the takeoff warning system. The trim indicator can be seen to the right of the trim setting indicator (Green arrow to the left of the throttle). You were adjusting this, not elevator trim. The process should be select the correct CG and flap setting for takeoff, then move the elevator trim to match the indicator.
Thanks for watching and your help there, appreciate it!
Thanks Very usefull!
Glad to hear that!
What a fantastic video! I spent hours last night trying to bring this bird online from completely dark and got stuck on main engine start for the same reasons you mention here. When in flight I could not get NAV to engage to follow the track I had set. No indications as to why either. I need to work that out...
Perfect flare!
Got lucky with this one!
So excited for all these new aircraft!!!! But the price tags are crazy!
Yes this one is a new record. You would have to really love the MD-80!
With the Battery switch you need to click it twice to lock it
Thank goodness it is expensive, means it can’t be considered as a purchase for me. I don’t have the patience to learn a plane like this. I love flipping switches as much as the next simmer, but get quickly frustrated with anything more complicated than turbo prop. 😁
I mean, I'm just thankful that its expensive enough just so that the Trolls in MSFS 2020 cant get ahold of it.
Beautiful aircraft I love when developers make it as close to the real world counterpart
I haven’t purchased this yet. But at some point I think I will. I’m still working on getting the 737 and Fenix 320 figured out.
I wonder how many times im going to purchase the same plane over and over again. Owned the MadDog for FS2000, 2004, FSX, XPLANE. The funny thing is it is the same aircraft made by the same people with different names. We will continue doing this over and over and over again !!! 😥😥🤣🤣👍👍
Would love to see your TCA Sensitivity settings for this bird!
This maybe the first payware aircraft I buy, need to wait for the live stream to see if its something I will have the time for :)
Hey Captain. I think you can use the mousewheel on the starter to keep it held down while you left click the fuel lever. I'm on vacation so haven't had a chance to try this in MSFS, but that was my strategy in P3D.
I can confirm this procedure works in MSFS too.
Thank you, this will be very useful!!
I upgraded MD82 software and bought the expansion pack, now I have MD83 and MD88 as well 🙂 25 Euros, not a bad price for two more aircrafts in the same series 😅
hello, great flight..........can u please make a video teach us how to perform a autoland.........thanks a lot
Heyyyy finally!
Just wondering how to select altitudes in 100 ft increments. 0000-1000 feet is fine, but twisting the alt knob on the MCP goes in 1000 ft increments for altitudes greater than 1000 feet. No good if I want to fly at 4500 feet, for example.
Still I didn’t understand where is the light switch for the overhead panel
I'm one year late, but EOAP stands for "Electronic Overhead Annunciator Panel".
Where the cockpit panel colors can be changed? I have not been able to find it.
We described the Jaguar in the same way…..an ergonomic slum! 🤣🤣
So, stupid question:
Where exactly are the manual(s) for the aircraft located after you've downloaded it?
Tell me what the cockpit textures are. Thanks
Hi there! Does anyone have the Honeycomb Bravo Throttle and has been able to set it with the MadDog X? I am having issues with the reverser setup.
I got this addon last week and it’s one of my favorites of all time. 10/10 aircraft. I’m not one of those people who complain that some textures are low res when you zoom way in because I never do that so it doesn’t bother me (in fact, I prefer this because it makes the aircraft performance and fps much higher rather than having pointless high res textures in places you never look). The only complaint I hwv about this aircraft is IRS alignment but the biggest issue for me is the EFB. Very clunky and hard to learn, I can tell it’s pretty dated and not a new one. I still can’t figure out how to do a realistic fueling but ig I shouldn’t complain. At least an EFB exists unlike a certain aircraft that I also love.
anyone know why with this plane when I go full spoilers the engines turn off and everything blacks out?
How did you made the cockpit green !
Hey guys, is anyone else having issues with the in-game default ATC stuttering when flying the Mad Dog in MSFS2020?
how is possible to descent from 100 feets instead of 1000 ? thanks
Does anyone have a good source for getting repaints of of the MD 80? Im just getting back into flight sim after 7 years.
As well as if you click tab you can get hundreds of feet on the mcp
Thanks Mark!
so i'm gonna say this, it may read a little mean but.... anyway, this guy is a modern airline pilot used to flying machines that he mostly monitors. While the MadDog is a plane that has a lot of automation, however, you can't just type it in the MCDU...
hello folks im wondering how to remove avitar pilots in the cockpit, there in my way. Thanks.. RobertC
Should i get this or the new Fenix A320 ?? I want something i wont get bored in and i want it to be fun and exciting
I have both the MD-80 and the Fenix-enjoying both!
What do u do with the manuals....dont want to print them out cost a fortune
Can someone give me the link so I can buy this plane?
5:49 - why the backward letters on the airstair?
good eyes lol
Unfortunately McDonnell Douglas were not short on questionable design elements.
Can it perform an auto landing? I don’t have a yoke so I hate landing my planes manually
yes it can!
@@ElitistMagi Did you try?, I would like to see that video, it was annciated but couldn't autoland when I tried.
How did you get the reverse thrust to work?
You need to bind a key to "decrease throttle“
@@ElitistMagi tysm
Worth the money ? I haven’t decided yet, think 737-700 first + Bae146
A decision you can’t go wrong with there! Thanks for watching
@@320SimPilot We’ve got the 310R as well. MD-80 I’m interested in, although it’s not perfect. I’d like to fly with Finnair 🇫🇮 liveries, same goes with MD-11 🇫🇮, but this aircraft is still under development and I’m not expecting until late this year.
Thank you for this video I have this aircraft in Xplane 11 and I would say it is much better than this , so I will not be buying. I may be wrong but I think the chocks on the nose wheels were still in place for all the flight is that a bug? All the best LeSeur
Thanks for watching! On the nose gear you can see a debris deflector, not a chock!
What makes the X-Plane version better the the Leonardo version of the MD-80 when 99% everyone else thinks differently. It certainly has more system depth.
@@fsx-legend4602In answer I like graphics to look really good as well and I am not seeing that here, especially at this price point. However I will go back into Xplane 11 and have a good look to see if I am being unfair. All the best LeSeur.
@@leseur6675 X-plane does a lot of things really well or better than MSFS, but the graphics are definitely not one of those. MSFS looks leagues better than any other sim out there.
The DB Cooper plane lol
That was a 727
@@CaptVirtual You're right, how I confused it, I'm a fawkin burnout 😆
For $120 you'd think the EFB would import Simbrief flightplans automatically with no files to download.
Another correction: you can just import your simbrief files via the EFB. You don’t ever have to use the Load Manager app. It’s either/or.
Hm.. I actually tried to do this without going through the load manager and it did not work, I had to import it via load manager sync it and then the EFB was able to pull up the OFP.
I'll give it another shot!
@@ElitistMagi I’ve been doing it via the EFB for the last 3 days, no issue. You do have to export the simbrief file to the routes directory, then use the EFB.
@@ElitistMagi also, meant to add, make sure you have the EFB setting checkmarked in the load manager app for your specific livery/tail number.
@@Jeff-ct2xe yup, it works now, but I dunno what I was doing it with before and I couldnt make it work, good to know thanks! :D
@@Jeff-ct2xe Yup just found out having the EFB checked seems to be the key that I was missing.
there is no engine sounds
90 quid is taking the piss. Simple as that
Loved the review but I really think you're giving Leonardo a pass on everything about this aircraft with regards to modelling, sounds and texturing. It wouldn't be important if it were much cheaper but this is the most expensive product on the sim, and with that you and everyone else should expect the best in all areas. If this was a new company everyone would be thrashing on them despite the near or even perfect systems modelling and flight characteristics.
It's a 90EUR product, if I want to get up close to the wings and wheel wells, I should be able to discern those areas easily. The engine cowl is such a shame cause it's a plastered texture rather than modelling the engine. Personally it's a hard sell, imo. It's an amazing plane for a crappy port to what MSFS graphical engine is capable of.
Also for anyone who's gonna say higher quality texture eat performance this is not true. This is entirely dependent on VRAM any most people nowadays have the VRAM to support 4k resolutions without exceeding VRAM limits.
Thanks for your thoughts on this one. I agree the textures would appear to be below par in some areas and I cannot foresee a major performance hit to upgrade them when compared to some other aircraft. But for this video I used the aircraft as I do for most streams/videos and aside from the drone shots on the ground I found the textures acceptable. This is of course subjective so hopefully videos like this can help you decide if it meets the standard for your use! Thanks for watching.
@chuggs for 90EUR it should have both.
@chuggs 90EUR bro, stop dickriding them
@@woot123sexyparty it’s 75 euros not 90 first of all.
The price point of this product is astronomical and even though textures can be fixed, they should not be an issue especially given the amount of time they had to develop it. The other major issue i have is the subpar sounds. Long story short, i love the real aircraft and i don't mind spending the money but releasing what is essentially a port-over with terrible texturing and sounds is greedy. Give me a reason to spend the money rather than riding the hype wave. Give me a $90 aircraft.
Nice. Overpriced. MSFS2020 needs vintage airliners, 727, DC9, F4 Phantom, T38 without paying close to $100 a piece for them!! Sad, Last version you could get any plane.
No!
I mean I do like the Maddog and it amazing they brought it to MSFS, BUT it is just so so overpriced!
It's an aircraft the studio/guy already know since before and don't need to study it to the same extent again, yes knowledge should be valued but the same thing could be said for PMDG and they havent overpriced their airplanes. The model is clearly based on the old 3D modelling and haven't been done from scratch, textures haven't been touched or updated at all and are just subpar and external sounds are very basic. I get the systems and I love that they are there but none of the other areas of this addon is comparable with PMDG, 146 etc and it doesn't make sense. With more basic systems this is a 20 dollar addon IMHO. Hope someone brings some competition to the MD-80 so quality is improved. Just disappointing for such a interesting Airplane..
btw that landing was butter :D
Tl
* Textures copied and pasted from 2009
* Sounds recorded from a hairdryer
* €90
Just throw it in the bin, no amount of systems fidelity can justify that price and shows the disdain the developers have for their potential customers.
Completely agree, it is a shame because there are many good points which will be overshadowed by this. But it should have been half the price. Hard to not feel frustrated at such blatant greed and complacency.
wow such limited knowledge for a tutorial...
How come this plane is not for sale on the steam app? Is this an old fs or only for Xbox