Citizenship, State and Pakistan's use of Religion - Ali Usman Qasmi -
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- Ali Usman Qasmi comes back on The Pakistan Experience to discuss his new book, “Qaum, Mulk, Sultanat” - on this episode we do a deep dive in the 1950s in Pakistan; how was Pakistan turned into an Islamic State?
We discuss Ayub Khan, The National Anthem, the Indian Citizenship Act, the notion of the Nation State, Establishment's narratives and Imran Khan taking over the Establishment's narrative.
After the trauma of mass violence and massive population movements around the partition of India and Pakistan in 1947, both new nation states faced the enormous challenge of creating new national narratives, symbols, and histories, as well as a new framework for their political life. While leadership in India claimed the anti-colonial movement, Gandhi, and a civilizational legacy in the subcontinent, the new political elite in Pakistan were faced with a more complex task: to carve out a separate and distinct Muslim history and political tradition from a millennium long history of cultural and religious interaction, mixing, and coexistence.
Drawing on a rich archive of diverse sources, Ali Qasmi traces the complex development of ideas of citizenship and national belonging in the postcolonial Muslim state, offering a nuanced and sweeping history of the country’s formative period. Qasmi paints a rich picture of the long, arduous, and often conflict-ridden process of writing a democratic constitution of Pakistan, while simultaneously narrating the invention of a range of new rituals of state-such as the exact color of the flag, the precise date of birth of the national poet of Pakistan, and the observation of Eid as a “national festival”-providing an illuminating analysis of the practices of being Pakistani, and a new portrait of Muslim history in the subcontinent.
Ali Usman Qasmi is Associate Professor of History at Lahore University of Management Sciences.
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Chapters:
0:00 Introduction
2:00 India, Citizenship Act and What does it mean to be a Citizen?
21:00 Building a nation-state after Partition in Pakistan
39:13 Insecurities of the Pakistani State and Fear of Democracy
54:00 Pakistan's state use of Islam
1:11:42 Creation of Pakistan, Symbolism and Myth Making
1:21:00 Establishment's Narratives about Pakistan
2:08:00 National Anthem
2:12:30 Audience Questions - Zábava
Pakistan should bring its own version of CAA to support persecuted Indian Muslims
Go for it guys
we will fund migration of all who love islamism using hajj fund
@@AKumar-co7oe... vah
Muslims in India are illegally Pakistani citizens they are living in India illigaly since after taking Pakistan in 1947
😂
I agree 100% with your great proposal.
Pakisthan must not be afraid of that.
I am too sure not a single muslim will migrate to present Pakisthan.
Muslim wants secularism in india but kattar islam on the world😢😢
Don't Worrry
In Log Ki Kutton Waali Zindagi Banegi Abhi
Chawal
Podcast dekhay beghair chawlein martay reho
Mera maal, Mera.
Tera maal, humara.
This is hard truth
Exactly. No more of this nonsense.
Pakistani logic: “Peaceful” Bangladeshi coming to Assam is totally fine, whereas Jews coming to Palestine is totally wrong and it is an occupation.
Jews had left Middle East hundreds of years ago. Your logic does not follow. Balfour imposed a Jewish nation on Palestine. Please check your information
@@PoornimaChauhan-xs5kjIf one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.
A majority of the Jews who migrated to Israel over the years have now been Mizrahi Jews, the Jews of the middle East. Mizrahis now outnumber the European ashkenazi Jews by roughly 2:1.. by your logic if a person from one part of the eastern subcontinent can move move to another part of the subcontinent in a different country, why can't Jews of one middle eastern nation move to another nation in the middle East(israel)@@PoornimaChauhan-xs5kj
@@PoornimaChauhan-xs5kjjewish never leave Israel 100% in past hundred of years
@@PoornimaChauhan-xs5kj Your logic proves my point that “peaceful” Bangladeshis never belong to Assam and they are a threat to Assamese culture.
@4:30 he admits that in pakistan when a non muslim wont have equal rights ,then why do they have problem with CAA
Gazwa kab karenge phir
Hypocrisy 😂😂😂 bhi tohh krni hai wooh sunnat hai pakistani half baked liberals ka
Muslims ko kyu nhi liya is baat pe mooh phula kar baithe hain.
@@Vk-sk7nm unko kyun de jab Pakistan bana?
The ultimate reason called hypocrisy.
I don't know why Pakistanis are worried about CAA, bhai we are implementing in only our country(India), not in Pakistan 😂
For them, everything is made by olah so it gives them rights
If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.
@@trilokyamohanchakra6351similarly Satan and kaafirs made by Allah himself 😊
Not India, Bharat. Pakistan is the actual India.
@@hawkingdawking4572 shame on Islamic nation Pakistan for kicking out Afghani Muslims what happen if India kick out 24 crore illigal Muslims from India
If you expect India to allow Muslims from Pakistan to return and get citizenship then why create a seperate country based on a religion in first place?
His argument completely fails here because Pakistan was created based on religion. It is obvious that India would then allow for easier accommodation for people of other religions to return if they want to.
Let BJP be morally superior and grant Ahmedi citizenship as pakistan constitutionally doesn't consider them Muslim.
Edit 1
I am confused with the replies of my comment I don't vote for BJP never did and never will unless Modi takes back what Congress lost PoK and China occupied Ladakh.
CAA is bad as it doesn't grant citizenship to Tibetan refugees living in India since 1952 when china occupied Tibet CAA doesn't give citizenship to Tamil Sri Lankan who were victims of Sri Lankan civil war so this law is bad for not for just Muslims but also other people.
@@DataCrusade1999no, we are under no illusions about the teachings of Islam
@@DataCrusade1999why India gave them citizenship jaahil? First Ask ahmadia they are Muslims or not
@@DataCrusade1999If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.we don't want convert Muslims in India😊
@@DataCrusade1999shame on Islamic nation Pakistan for kicking out Afghani Muslims where is your Muslims brotherhood😂
According to Indian law Ahmadiya and Shia are Muslim......why will India make law according to interpretation of Pakistan law with respect to islam.....
It's karma, ahmediyas were forefront in making pakistan. You rip what you sow.
In a way muslims of the Indian subcontinent had the best of both worlds - broke India, cut off historically Hindu lands, created two Islamic ststes ( cleansing Hindus and Sikhs almost) and still growing upto 20 % from 14% in India.
Truly in consonance with expansionist intolerant Nature of Islam.
No wonder ambedkar was for total exchange of population.
@jasha9sandhu true, voting for muslim league in muslim only constituency which aided in partitioning india later they did not move to pakistan. What a hypocrisy.
Pakistanis want to dictate indias laws. Why Indians don't protest under blasphemy laws of Pakistan. Why non Muslims barred from high posts? India should protest in UN. This is not allowed
Cuteiye pakistani. 💩
Indian Citizenship Act in general doesn't stop a Muslim to get Indian citizenship, however through normal period 11 years of neutralization.
Under CAA, this neutralization period has been reduced to 6 years for persecuted non-Muslim refugees from Afghanistan, Bangladesh, Pakistan only.
Why does a musxlim need a citizenship when he is in Pakistan?
Isn't the whole idea lf paxtan being an islamic state?
Even Pakistani can answer.
Heeramandistani propogenda. 1ly🇨🇳 I🇮🇱 knw how 2 fuk
They just briefly mentioned CAA in India ( Podcast is quite long, multiple topics...) but it's very telling as it seems to have hit a nerve with the BJP IT cell...
Bcoz their logic is flawed
@@kuku6116
Riiight the global media (different outlets) all have gotten it wrong. Just some headlines..👇
India announces steps to implement a citizenship law that excludes Muslims
ABC News
India implements ‘anti-Muslim’ 2019 citizenship law weeks before election
AL Jazeera
India to enforce migrant law that excludes Muslims
BBC NEWS
India moves to implement controversial citizenship bill that excludes Muslims
Yahoo News
But suure when people are fed a daily diet for years and years 24/7 by the GODI MEDIA. Then they live in their own bubble and reject what the world has to say..
You all admit that Pakistan fundamentally embraces othering of Hindus but still fail to understand why laws like CAA are needed in India. The reason muslims aren’t included is because Pakistan & Bangladesh already exist as Islamic states to take in muslim refugees along with 50+ more muslim countries but there are none for Hindus or Sikhs. How hard is it to grasp this concept?
Also, that supports the partition act that was done by Indian Muslims.
Well on one hand it's good that we are trying to help people who are getting persecuted but on the other hand I don't like losing our secular values.
@@GaganSingh-nx2yv Yes this CAA challenged our basic principle of secularism, lekin jaise humare desh mein reservation ko positive discrimination ke tour pe liya jata hai toh isse bhi humein ussi tarha lena chahiye.
@@agnosticatheist4093 this has nothing to do with positive discrimination. It's regular discrimination based on religion and as a minority I am a bit worried, don't want to return to 80-90's with all the instability and religious politics that ravaged Punjab. Communal politics isn't sustainable imo.
@@GaganSingh-nx2yv Things are already going down like this in our country. But I welcome it because the situation of minorities in Pakistan is worse than here. If they get any help, I’m all for it. The CAA has specific conditions, like only after a certain period will refugees get citizenship. It applies to persecuted minorities from Pakistan, Bangladesh, and Afghanistan who entered India before December 31, 2014, and fast-tracks their citizenship process from eleven years to five. This bill doesn’t affect Indian Muslims, but I agree it challenges our secular principles. We need to be fact-based and logical, not panic, but yes, being vigilant is key.
This is ironical. Pakistanis giving lecture on secularism😂
What a irony
Why? You never had any sort of secularism. You guys promote terrorism but preach peace. Dream of an imperial CHAKANDA VRAAAT but pretend anti colonial stance. You have fake history, fake unity, fake British made country, fake victimhood and a fake Tanatan Drama but yet claim as 5000 years of civilization.
They can lecture on human rights
Democracy
Secularism
Fair elections
Big heart
But can do nothing only talk. Their army decides. They dont count. They are of no consequence
If u hate us so much then why watch a Pakistani discussion video ? Do something else better with ur time..
@@ihsanqazi why create content on India? Mention India?
Kaam karu jhaat bharr....gyan choddu raat bharr ....( Secularism pr)
By 14 minutes into the discussion, it is very clear that the guest has no clue about CAA and the reforms that are being made. He talks about how the CAA excludes Muslims, however, he's not clear on what are they excluded from. In fact, very early on, there is a reference to that, but then he pivots and gives it a communal ring. The fact of the matter is, CAA will ensure non-Muslims are prioritized in getting Indian citizenship when applying for citizenship through the asylum process. To the point that Muslims are oppressed in Pakistan, why should that be an Indian problem? After a Muslim state was requested in 1947, why should India be bothered by how Pakistan has chosen to deal with their own Muslim population. The CAA is a response to the genocide that has happened to non-Muslims in Pakistan and acknowledges the problems that those communities face in Pakistan. Beyond that, why would India get involved in Muslims fighting amongst themselves in a nation carved out for them?
India is a secular country. So, it can not discriminate by way of religion. it should allow all persecuted religious groups of people in neighbouring countries to enter India, not play favourites.
@@RohiteshSharma Jinnah wanted Pakistan to be PERSONAL ACCOUNT of Muslims while India to remain as JOINT ACCOUNT of Hindus and Muslims. Rest assured Hindutva will never allow it. Islam can't enjoy the first mover adavatnage for ever. And Ahmediyas -Shia-Sunni conflict is not a religious thing, rather it a sectarian conflict among Muslims. For Ahmediyas too, Hindus are Kafirs.
I repeat Hindutva will show the world how to deal Islam with MUTUAL-RESPECT
@@RohiteshSharmathat's not gandhijis promise. CAA is about gandhijis promise. Congresd make personal law board,thats not secular. Haj subsidy thats not secular law. Very very discriminatory. Hindu temples money,gold is snatched by congress,thats discriminatory. Muslim mullahs get salary by givt . Where is secularism? Congress restricted recruitment of Muslims in army thats secularism? Congress needs lessons on secularism
They have confused it with appeasement.
@@RohiteshSharma…you should start by giving shelter to few Rohingyas in your own house….
@@induchopra3014 if Congresd did not practice proper secularism, then BJP should practice it and show them. But your answer is to be worse than Congress. How are you better?
44:42 "Unko to koi problem nhi tha(he is referring to Bengali people)" this is the state of an intellectual Pakistani... unbelievable! They had been suffering, women being raped, citizens were being treated as slaves and "unko to koi problem nhi tha". Even today, This guy isn't accepting what they did in Bangladesh and lecturing India that CAA is biased with half knowledge! I wonder why there is no documentary on what happened to Hindus in Pakistan, what happened to Christians in Pakistan?
dude he's referring to the time period way BEFORE the fall of Dhaka. mainly the 50s when there was a point in time when Pakistan and Bangladesh were seemingly getting along pretty well. and he's also crediting Bengali people more for making space for East and West Pakistan to co-exist stably. baat samjhe baghair tapp jaate hou
@@amk1071I am not dude re and he is talking about the same timeline when everything was happening!He mentioned the imposition of Urdu and that was what united Bengalis and triggered the war. You can also choose to deny the fact but that won't change the reality. Thoda padd le timeline aur what happened there, phir aakr Gyan pelo
@@BeyondThougths arey wah behen. hindu right-wing larki expect nahi kar rahi thi mein. theak hai lagi raho. aap wese bhi literal sense mein Beyond Thoughts hou. Kangana maam ko mera namaskar daina! bye
he was talking about 47 48. and he did mention jinnahs imposition of urdu. Ajatay hai muth pee kay
@@BeyondThougthslisten idiot even in 50s bangalis were marginalized
The question should be why Pakistan couldn't become a good Islamic state
It is a good sil@mic state, just that they don't have oil
HHHahahahahahahahhaah@@trilokyamohanchakra6351
bro islam only suits saudi and quatar they are literate muslims
but all these converted people are jihadist
Your statement is flawed, Pakistan could either be a good state or an islamic one.
ask any pakistani first whose islam is real Islam , is barelvi's islam is real on or deobandi is real one or hanafi is real one or jaffari is real one or zaidi firqa is real one, which of 72 firqa follows the real islam so first let them decide that
Why muslims are excluded because indian subcontinent was divided on the basis of religion which Bangladesh and pakistan, if Muslims took their own country then why would india take muslims , and CAA is for Christians ,hindus sikhs ,Buddhist etc
this law has cutoff date which is I guess 2014 ,I'm not sure though ,
so its not like anyone would enter ,
His logic is that "Pakistan is a Single Account whereas India is a Joint Account". Dual homeland concept.
@@rakadusIf one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.😊 India belongs to Hindus shiks Jain's and Buddhist because these all religions born in India
@@rakadusIslam is forner element to India it belongs to desert it must go back where it came from
Ali Usman Qasmi, an Imran apologist, beyond reasonable burden of logical explanation.
Ahmediyas played prominent role in creation of Pakistan.
However, Government of India should include Ex-Muslims in CAA from these countries.
Never trust ex Muslim
Absolutely yeh allowed hain, al taqaiyya @@dharmashekhar1047
@@dharmashekhar1047ex Muslims are better than andh bhakta of any religion.
no need for pakistani ex muslims. govt should support indian Ex-Muslims movements
What's the point? They have same names they can hide in plain sight unlike Hindu/Sikh.
13:37
By the words of famous J SAI DEEPAK
People who have denied the Idea Of India , and accepted the Idea Of Pakistan during the partition
Should not have the audacity to ask for Indian Citizenship
If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.😊😊
Who are these people? How is it the fault of every Pakistani?
@serenity8145 issue is the foundation contruct of every pakistani
It’ll be interesting if J SAI DEEPAK is invited on to this platform 🔥🔥🔥
Shehzad bhai, you know more about Indian CAA Law of India then Ali Usman Qasmi. According to him CAA says that only Hindus are eligible for citizenship, in reality it does not mention any religion, rather it says that any minority persecuted on the basis of religion is eligible to apply for Indian citizenship.
Pakistanis think Muslims are most persecuted in Pakistan . Just too shameless
They are fighting,for indian citizenship.the sheer hypocracy is amazing. Do they know what they are saying? They are saying pakistani Muslims are more safe in India than Islamic Pakistan. Such shameless admission of truth. Such shameless admission there was no need of Pakistan. They are admitting Muslims are harassed in even islamic Pakistan. Such a joke
Both of you haven't read CAA. Didn't expect sloppy work from you Shehzad.
He is a propagandist and knows everything but will act as per his masters m.
Why do u expect anything from them. We can't control people in India about their narratives how can we control Paks narrative.
Pak Military Est can wind up this channel when ever they want, they will allow it if it serves its purpose.
He considers himself secular but he is not! He isn't any less propaganda running media houses! Never talks about the suffering of minorities in countries but always there to discuss Muslims situation in India. In some of his podcasts he has said that Modi isn't pro-pakistani, I mean come on, why would a country's PM be pro to some other country!😅 He knows what Pakistan has been doing against India but never raises voice against it! Go, hold your government accountable for Mumbai 26/11!
Very true
He does talk about the suffering of minorities and downtrodden in his country.
Pak should support CAA. IT will complete pak dream of complete exclusion of minorities. Most will leave for better and open place to live.
100%
CAA is only for people who have already moved. These people are already in India but they'll need to stay here for many more years to become citizens
.If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.
Pakistan should support creation of yet another Pakistan in Bharat.
What about Bihari East Pakistani languishing in camps in Dhaka, awaiting Pakistani citizenship, including those in Karachi.
And you questioning CAA.
WHICH ONE IS MORE HUMANITARIAN ACT.
Rather complaining you must say if any Muslim individual want to came back to Pakistan please you r welcome 24 /7
atta kahan se aayega bhai
They won't go to Pakistan, but tell India's Muslims you can migrate and permanently settle in the Gulf (Saudi, UAE, Kuwait) and watch them all leave in a heartbeat. Muslims of India are fine with the country for now, but Understand this clearly, there is no nationalism in Islam. Patriotism yes, but not this chest pounding saffron hypernationalism.
Almost all Indian Muslims (except maybe bollywood actors) would leave India in a heartbeat if offered citizenship in the Middle East.
Go for it and try it out, I challenge all Hindus.
He says that Pakistan is homeland for Muslims. This has been legalized by the constitution of Pakistan. The population of Hindus, Sikhs and other minorities has been reduced from 23% in 1947, post-independence, to now 1.6% through killings and conversions. Why should Muslims of these 97% Muslim population nations come to India as it beats the theory of partition. India has to plan it's budget on certain data which even a backward thinking nation like Pakistan has legalized through NADRA. Now it has to enforce CAA, UCC, NRC and NPR for its own good.
Muslims in India are illegally Pakistani citizens they are living illigaly since after taking Pakistan in 1947
If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims. India belongs to native religion peoples like shiks Jain's Hindus and Buddhist😊
The most populus/ majority province in Pakistan is Punjab.
Punjab is almost TWICE as big as Sindh, which is second in population. So big difference
So, what is the percentage of Muslims in Indian Punjab/Haryana today? What was it before partition?. But if one wants to look everything from a RSS/BJP lens, so be it. In a way, an outcome when some people consume 24/7 a steady diet by the GODI MEDIA
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s Why should percentage be counted in first place as these Muslims were supposed to migrate to a radicalized nation, they fought for dividing the nation. Secondly Muslims today form 19% of the Indian population making them to be the second largest majority and NOT a MINORITY. Other religions which are less than 2% are minorities but they hate to call themselves as minorities, but it is only crybaby Muslims who despite getting maximum concessions want more without contributing anything as they only produce children and don't send them to even schools always blaming the government. This story is not just in India but whole worldwide, where-ever they have migrated.
Everyone know that the vast majority of Hindus lived in East Pakistan (now Bangladesh) and after the independence of Bangladesh the percentage of minorities of course dropped in the West Pakistan. Indians maliciousness has no bounds and they keep repeating this misleading number. Indians, particularly the current India that has been shaped in the last 10 years must just shut up and enjoy their dopamine kick they get from Islamophobia.
14:14 kisi k baap ka Hindustan h ek Pakistani bol rah h 😂😂😂😂
Hindustan Hinduio Sikhs, buddhist or Jains ke Baap ka hai. jo log convert nai hua hai
Jinhone Turko ko baap bana rakha hai unka Hindustan thodi hai.😂😂
Jese makka madina inke baap ka h wase he hindustan hinduo ke baap ka h.but not a Pakistani can't became Saudi citizens 😂
If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.
Muslims in India are illegally Pakistani citizens they are living illigaly in India since after taking Pakistan in 1947
Why jinnah left muslims in India, when he believed that Hindus & muslims cannot live together,
Jinnah to khud 2 generation pahale hindu tha .
Fish export karane laga tha to family ne boycott kar diya to mulla ban gaya lekin pork khata tha 😂😂
To make another pakistan
7:19 indian state never said that ahmadiyas of pakistan can go anywhere else.... CAA gives accomodation to all religion EXCEPT MUSLIMS.... While ahmadiyas are sect of islam,but very much part of islam... hence not covered in CAA.
Ahmediyas identify themselves as Muslims. If they disown Islam, then they welcome to india.
In the continuation of your statement...Indain state allows Muslim as well to apply the citizenship through the prescribed method in the constitution.More than 100 Muslim people has been granted citizenship in the recent period.
CAA is only for those who entered India till 31.12.2014.
They were integral part in the formation of Pakistan.. They were among founding members.. They all r the same
One Hindu Doctor couple came from Sind and they recently voted in recent rajastan elections. They said it took them 8 yrs for them to get citizenship. Probably CAA will help in speeding up the process .
why CAA is needed because the God of Quran says this in verse 98:6 Sahih International: Indeed, they who disbelieved among the People of the Scripture and the polytheists will be in the fire of Hell, abiding eternally therein. Those are the worst of creatures.
If people can roam around in Pakistan without a single document, don't apply your standards on your neighbors. It's impossible to legally spend even a week in India with 0 documents, and Action must be taken against the ones without those. We take our law quite seriously, if you don't, don't put others in your category.
They are accepting ki hum ahmadiya aur Shiyas par zulm karte hai aur ab bharat inko bhi rakhe😂
@@maaz87 sahi to bola usne
@@maaz87 tum kaun sa churan chaat te ho pata hai poori duniya ko
@@maaz87we all know how much muslim respect it's minorities. And how much islamic Republic like Pakistan protect the non Muslims.
as a Muslim.. you feel bad when a person burn Qur'an but few months ago a hindu temple was demolished in Karachi Pakistan and a building complex is being made there.. hundreds of Christian home were destroyed ... I have seen Muslim in this comment section justify it why do you need temples in Pakistan..
In 2014 the organization, the All Pakistan Hindu Rights Movement (PHRM), published a survey report. The survey report found that 95% of the temples present in Pakistan since 1990 were destroyed or damaged. Out of the 428 places of worship, only 20 remained operational while 408 temples were converted either into commercial properties or into residential establishments. Out of the 20 temples, 11 were in Sindh, 4 in Punjab, 3 in Balochistan and 2 in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa.
Babri Masjid demolition in India only hastened the pace of temple demolition across Pakistan and Bangladesh. Around 1,000 temples were alone targeted or destroyed in Pakistan and 2014 PHRM survey findings continue to reflect in 2021 as well. From 20 operational temples in 2014, Pakistan now only has 13 temples managed by ETPB.
we all know the love what you give non Muslim specially Christian.. . In 1947 Muslims threatened Christians that Pakistan was made for Muslims only and that if Christians wanted to stay there, they had to live a life of servitude and perform sanitation work.. "Sewer Cleaners Wanted in Pakistan: Only Christians Need Apply." Remember this add by pakistani army in 2020. Guess nothing much change here..
well it's hilarious when we see muslim pointing out isreal about the killing and Palestine or even Rohingaya or kashmir .. While the same won't say a word about the virtual annihilation by killing forced migration of non Muslim community in islamic country.. Where the native population is refused to below 5% in some places below 1% like afghanistan Pakistan Indonesia even all meddle east
Have you ever asked why are the population of 31 islamic majority country have 95% + muslim population.. 39 have 88% +
Why is it that it is impossible for non Muslim to live in these islamic country.. The Persian left for india..
The Afghanistan lost it Buddhist monastery
But how many islamic country condemn the virtual inhalation of sikh from afghanistan who were 6 mn in '71 .. And less than 100 left today.. Or the forced conversion and marriage of hindu and Christian under age girls in Pakistan.. The inhalation of Ahemidia in Pakistan Indonesia and kurdistani mens and thier girls turkey syria Iraq Iran.
UAE and Saudi Qatar treatment of its labour is like trash. As per the islamic laws and Kafala System. Where labour were your property or slave ..
even with your pride of allhamdulillah there are no non Muslim tribe in Somalia or 97% of Pakistan or More than half the countries in the Middle East-North Africa region have populations that are approximately 95% Muslim or greater. These include Algeria, Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Kuwait, Libya, Morocco, Palestinian territories, Saudi Arabia, Tunisia, Western Sahara and Yemen.
Kurds have had a long history of discrimination perpetrated against them by the Turkish government. Massacres have periodically occurred against the Kurds since the establishment of the Republic of Turkey in 1923.
Before 1947 Ahmediyas were very keen to get a separate land for Muslims.They had supported two nation theory.
Pakistan should have its own CAA in which it invite all muslims from Indian to be Pakistani. 😊😊😊
Let pakistani do tit for tat!
They won't go to Pakistan, but tell India's Muslims you can migrate and permanently settle in the Gulf (Saudi, UAE, Kuwait) and watch them all leave in a heartbeat. Muslims of India are fine with the country for now, but Understand this clearly, there is no nationalism in Islam. Patriotism yes, but not this chest pounding saffron hypernationalism.
Almost all Indian Muslims (except maybe bollywood actors) would leave India in a heartbeat if offered citizenship in the Middle East.
Go for it and try it out, I challenge all Hindus.
There is another plan. Make another Pakistan in the current British made Bharat. That is more convenient.
@hawkingdawking4572 hope modi creates safe zones in unpurestan
Your country is islamic , and you asking india to be secular
99% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%😂
Ironic
There is a concession to Religious minorities in CAA. Reasons cited are,
1. they were once the citizens of this undivided nation,
2. Pakistan doesn't has a good track record for its minorities.
3. They were given assurances by the Gandhi and Nehru to stay back, and there may not be the discrimination as said by Jinnah, so it was an error from State,
4. Its religious persecution, Shia and Ahmadis are Muslims,
5. Those days the population was not much so accomodation was easy, now it would open the floodgates if everyone allowed also Pakistanis do not enjoy good reputation here and the worry is if muslims come, they may come for their agenda of terrorism and ghazwa e hind. This argument has gained strength overtime with incidents across globe by Pakistanis, be it Europe or US. Infact popular belief is even Gulf nations are these days not comfortable with Pakistani citizens.
6. The point made by the Govt was, why would a muslim in Pakistan would want to come here when he used all mean to have his separate state with religious identity, rehna tha toh partition kyun kar waaya.
7. Common man is convinced saying Pakistanis curse indians day and night for Tashaddud on muslims and kashmiris by Indian majority, so anyways why should they be bothered to come here or be discussing it as we are already are seen as oppressor, so gaali bhi dena hai, goli bhi chalani hai aur aana bhi hai?
8. Indian Muslims have been convinced that it has nothing to do with them, so why why worry.
9. Some people say, we should not allow anyone to come, irrespective of religion, we already are in the cusp of population explosion.
Do not waste so much time on logic. Logic does not work west of Wagah.
MashaOm ❤
ex muslim sahil fan?😂
Aapko bhi daawat hain, Ras00l-e-Murtadeen ke sharan mein aaye, Om hu akhbar@@saumyapandey-zr7jd
Everyone is..Maybe the Podcaster too🫶🏿
And maze ki baat,OM is valid even if you dknt believe in it@LosBlancos710
Loved this comment ❤😊
Not a single Muslim moved from India to Pakistan!
Entire Sindh is populated by migrant muslims. Native Sindhis are scattered across India.
Not true, Jaun Elia did so did Manto.Jews left for Israel. Parsis and Anglo Indians moved all over the English speaking world, albeit in smaller numbers. There are still people (non tennis players) in Hyderabad who marry Pakistanis.To each their own my friend.
@@devjsenMuslims in India are illegally Pakistani citizens they are living in India illigaly since after taking Pakistan in 1947
Correct, people who voted for Muslims' league in a Muslim reserved constituency..did the partition ans did not move to pakistan. All leftovers in india are munafiks.
@@radzindiaaur uske baad jaun ne Pakistan ko hi Aligarh ka laundo ki sarrart bata di😂😂😂
Some parsi and Jews left india for better economic opportunities .
Indian companies tata which is own by parsi has greater value then entire gdp of Pakistan.
When you discuss about migration it would be nice to discuss eviction of Afghan refugees who were born in Pakistan and Pakistan took billions of dollars in aid in their name .. They were forced out of Pakistan leaving everything behind... Whereas Pakistan was the major player in Afghan war and sole creator of Taliban and therefore reason behind their miseries..
Agar Pakistani Muslim par jurm ho raha hai to wo pakistan ka problem why Indian citizens take care they are opt pakistan in 1947 Hindu living in Pakistan in majboori
Small correction ... CAA is a provision to give citizenship to religious minorities who are facing religious persecution which includes Hindu Sikh Buddhist parsis or Christians from neighbouring countries. cAA is a new category .... But India also grants citizenship to Muslims from neighbouring countries or otherwise... Example.. Adnan Sami ...how did he become Indian? Your guest mentioned Muslims not allowed..plz correct
If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.
does the thumbnail say "How did Pakistan become Islamic state? thats a joke rite....
😂 absolutely
For the Pakistani readers, in India the property of the Muslims who evacuated wasn’t given to the refugees coming in, but to WAQF board controlled by the Muslims of India. Now can you blame the Hindus of India for hating Nehru/Gandhi and their pseudo secularism?
This is my open challenge to the podcaster and everyone in the comments section who believe that CAA is harmful for Indian Muslims. Please show me the proof from the Act and rules (not from media channels), even a single line discriminating against Indian Muslims. I guarantee I will start endorsing your view. And if you can't bring, then don't paddle misinformation. The Act and rules are available in Hindi and English.
Muslims have 52 countries to choose from. Why India? Other religions have no categorically exclusive place to choose. That's the idea why except muslims other religions are prefered.
Comment section is fire. TPE it appears Indians watch this show more than Pakistanis
bro pakistan doesnt have internet
Simple answers for CAA bill
1. 1947 pakistan and Bangladesh created on the RELIGION BASIS.
2. The whole world knows about Afghan situations for non Muslims, hindu and Sikhs population in Bangladesh and Pakistan came down gradually.
Bangladesh was created on the basis of NATIONALISM. Stop categorizing muslim-majority countries together, most of the are not related to each other historically, ethnically or lingually.
Invite Sai Deepak
He won't 😅
😂😂 Gand phat jayegi
Bhai jsai ka bhi kuch class hai
@@somilbajpai9773 woh toh hai..but inn Pakistanis ko Hindus ki side bhi toh koi batane wala chahiye. Abhi tak toh joh bhi guest panel pe bula rahe hain woh inki favor wale hi aa rahe hain. Pakistanis need reality check.
They don’t dare🔥
Idk why Indian muslims think that CAA is against them or something. No one is asking Indian muslims to leave. there are so many countries providing refugees to muslims all over the 56 muslim countries. Hindus only have 1 country. Are we not allowed to welcome our brothers and sisters who are being persecuted in the same land where they have been living for more than 5000 years by a religion which wasn't even there 1400 years ago.
they just don't like that hindus have started to demand their basic rights and call out hypocrisy of islamic leftist nexus. they see their hegemony over indian politics going down the drain.
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And comedy is no Palestinians got refuge in 56 countries😂😂😂 and Pak expelled Afgani people from their countries eventhough that Afganis are muslim....These are the most hypocrite 56 countries.😂😂😂
@@Kshumred exactly if you're not willing to help people of your own ummah imagine how they would treat people of a different religion 😒. We are just 1 country but we will take all hindus of the world if we have to. We're not hypocrites.
@@purujitparashar4642 Right🙏
Every converts in Pakistan says I am converted from Rajput no one says I am converted from Dalit or other background😂
In a way muslims of the Indian subcontinent had the best of both worlds - broke India, cut off historically Hindu lands, created two Islamic ststes ( cleansing Hindus and Sikhs almost) and still growing upto 20 % from 14% in India.
Truly in consonance with expansionist intolerant Nature of Islam.
No wonder ambedkar was for total exchange of population.
Spot on, you summed it up 👍
Please talk about all the Afghans sent back to Afghanistan recently!!!! You can do it. But we can’t!!🙈🤣🤣
ask him why only 1.5% of minorities remains today in pakistan which was 24% at the time of independence
Mashaom🎉
Very surprise & VERY Suspicious that, on the day of CAA Implementation, this Pakistani podcast got released & it's FIRST topic is CAA 😑😑
Roji roti India se hi chalti hai
It's not only for hindus Sikh. They also included Jains, Buddhists, Christians, Parsis,Jews ( these are only few or non-existent)so don't say it's only for Hindus and Sikhs. 😅😅 Christians are also significant minorities of Pakistan almost second highest after hindu+sikh population.
Citizenship act says Citizenship will be given to only all other religion refugees except Muslim from neighbouring countries in time of crisis. It does not says anything on Indian muslims.
In Bangladesh all Moulavis are yelling at the top of their voice to make Bangladesh an Islamic country with Saria law.
But when it comes to India, they want India to be secular😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂.
Then why you made Pakistan, when Muslim want to return to India.
They want both and think we are dumb.
Target Audience: Pakistan
Actual Audience: Bharat
What you have been doing with Afghanistan refugee .. if same doing by India why you have pain in stomach 😂
Why no-one is talking about the citizenship of Afghani families, who worked for years in Pakistan and built businesses and helped Pakistan's economy. you kicked them out without offering them a proper channel to settle. They were rounded up and sent in trucks. some of them had never seen Afghanistan, born and bought up in Pakistan but kicked out. You couldn't accommodate a fellow Muslim brother with citizenship.
For your kind information kisi Hindu refugees ko kisi muslim ki property nhi di gayi. Hamare pyare PM Rajiv Gandhi ne wi sar properties waqf board ko de di. Hindu idhar bhi lute or idhar bhi. Par kehte h na aap kisi se sirf uska paisa or jammen chinn sakte ho uska gyan or hunar nhi. Sab kuch chord kar bhi sindhi or Punjabi yaha khub maldar h. They have a huge contribution in Indian economy.
Sabka hisa@b hog@
Ahmedis and Shias were front runners in Pakistan movement. That's why they are excluded from CAA. They have 55 Islamic nations to migrate to.
Pak citizens of Afgan origins .. 11 lakhs nikaal k billi humme sunaane challi !!
Ahamdiyas and Shia were in forefront in making Pakistan , it’s just that marginalised by Sunnis in Pak also in power sharing .. doesn’t mean we can take them back
Jhooth bolna jinka Iman
Al takiya jinka Islam
Dil me jinka rahta saitan
Vo h Pakistani musalmaan
Har musalman Pakistani hi hota hain
@@trilokyamohanchakra6351yes you right Muslims in India are illegally Pakistani citizens they are living illigaly in India since after taking Pakistan in 1947
Shehzad stop with ur India Obsession. Talk abt "MASLA" inside pakistan because u would never run out of content. And stoppppppop worrying abt India for sakes. No hate and kudos for ur content
95% of this podcast is on maslay in Pakistan
@@ThePakistanExperienceProblem is you Pakistanis think all your problem is coz of india aur ho bhi kyun na aisi thinking, when you have fatwas, that state g@zwa-e-hind is to be done so that you can go to jaannah then and then aloneThePakistanExperience
@ThePakistanExperience
Well, it's funny talking of India obsession. Just have a look at number of comments in comment section trying to defend, deflect, spin around the CAA issue. When even it wasn't a major point of the looong podcast🤔. If one disapproves so much of the podcast, why watch a podcast named the Pakistan experience in the first place🤦🏻♂️. But when BJP IT cell has tasked them ofcourse then duty is duty
@@user-rh5jp2sh4s I'm a hindu who has read qouran, bjp it cell doesn't need to pay me
@@ThePakistanExperience then stick to ur own country's Masla. We don't need ur opinions. wht r u doing for persecuted Hindus in Pakistan other than talking??? What did u do for the Afghans who were kicked out of ur country jst recently??? Keep ur content limited to ur country don't meddle in our matters.
The funny thing is, the Symbol used in pakistan flag is the Symbol of Greek God Artemis which was adopted by the ottoman after they captured Constantinople and started using it.
So Amazing and informative.
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Hope so, our Indian Muslim brothers will head to Madina-e-Riyasat.
Why
CAA ka pta nhi h dono ko....
One of the best episodes... Loved it thoroughly...
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Just a general comment, if possible can the books which a lot of guests recommend/mention be listed either with the description or some where collectively. It becomes really hard to look to who mentioned which book.
Tell about wafq board muslim properties from india were not given to refugees but to muslim wafq board
Exactly
Land reforms were key, all Vadhere still hold 90%+ land of Pakistan, In India it was long abolished (1950) and tilling farmers got the ownership of land. This also helped in increasing average yield in agriculture as farmers were encouraged after getting the ownership.
Replying on "Why Ahmediyas or other minority can't become a citizen of India"
I think you guys haven't read CAA. What is happening to this world? Come on it is just a 2 page document, "Please people read the law". It provides fast track citizenship to defined non-muslims living in persecuted adjacent nations of India. Every person other than persecuted defined minority can still get Indian citizenship but has to apply just like any other foreigner in a normal way. (for example Adnan Sami)
Also the Ahmadiyas were the one who advocated Pakistan the most
If one glass 🍷 is half full we can say it both ways half empty or half full similarly if Pakistan for Muslims than India not for Muslims.😊😊😊😊😊😊
Really amazed to listen to 2 Pakistani discussing laws of India 😂😂
These people never tell full truth about their laws and always tell false narratives about india.
With pride he declares that ZA Bhutto was a big deal committed Muslim. But he can’t accept that Narendra Modi is also equally a proud and committed Hindu 🕉️
India belongs to hindu,sikh,bidh,jain and musl8m have already takrn there share in 1947 vaise bhi mislim have 50 mulk but hindu have 9nly 8ndia that is y caa and nrc is muat
Again the BASIC problem that people fail to understand that for some, religion is bigger than country. For hindus, religion is personal and they have loyality towards country. Hence Hindus are not equal amongst equals. And hence the differentiation (not discrimination).
Over all great discussion
Ladies and Gentlemen,these are the Intellectuals in our neighborhood 👏 👌 😂
CAA Is implented today ❤❤❤
bro please do a podcast with jai sai deepak
Don't be fooled, he is still a pakistani at core.
For him 7th oct was a resistance, he was defending them, denying raping of women, murdering of kids and civilians.
For him the news source is Aljazeera.
Mut dega sidha😂😂😂
He definitely won't. Jai Sai will put this jih*di in his place.
@@VidhyaDevi-dj6fw😂 iske bssp Mei itna dummmm nhi
IS PAKISTANI KI ANAND RANGNATHAN and J SAI DEEPAK ke SAAMNE HUG DEGA and MUTT DEGA.
To be clear, anyone including Muslims can apply for Indian citizenship. CAA is a very specific provision to address a particular set of disadvantaged people.
Sirs,the Indian states which became Pakistan in 1947 were muslim majority states.
Conversion of hindus into muslims began in Sindh starting712 AD and expanded to present Pakistan over the next 1200 years.
The story of bangladesh becoming muslim was similar with a little twist when a hindu Raja converted to become muslim followed by all citizens becoming muslim.
This is similar to Indonesia and Malaysia becoming muslim.
He is saying prosperous pakistan will be good for indian muslims but on the other hand Jinnah clearly stated that he is ready to sacrifice indian muslims for the sake of pakistan. I thing first Pakistan should allow in principle to be able to elect non muslim constiturionally and then start talking about others. The fundemental moral high ground is lost for pakistan if they are not allowing non muslims to become PM or president
Which muslim from india wants citizenship of pakistaan😂
Very nice intellectual discussion!
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Those whose very existence is on ISLAMISM whining about " majoritarian ethos" & "resurgence of right wing" 😂😂😂😂😂
Please exchange Indian muslims with Pakistani religious minorities.
Please please please
Asalam o alaikum Bhai, going to watch now.
W salam bhai
@@ThePakistanExperiencepoora nhi bola, ab halwa jaise tere peeche na pade, btw what's your opinion on 22 yr old who got charged with blasphemy?
@@trilokyamohanchakra6351 bro yaa iss par nai bolaga. CAA ka pata nai us par gyan de raha hai yaa or iska madarasachap guest.
@@vishvajitkumar9497ek musalmaan se au4 kya expect kare😂😂, inka toh olah bhi ch0r haim
@@ThePakistanExperience99% Pakistani wants Pakistan a Islamic nation but all Pakistani wants India a secular nation hypocrisy lvl 100%
Pehle minute me hi hath jodke namashkar kiya mere civilisationly hindu bhai ne!!
No- India didn't change citizenship act. CAA is only for people who came to India before 2014 from these countries. Only change for them is instead of 12 years staying in India before they apply for the India Citizenship they can apply now after 5 years only. That is only change for them.
PAKISTANI Muslim still can still apply for Indian citizenship from regular route
Basically IK is a zero in running even a cricket club and a skirt chaser all along.
sala rote raha aaj CAA lagu ho gaya hai India me jald he NRC be ayaga.
Pakistan turned out to a land of eternal grief - especially for Bengalis, non-Muslims & ahmadiyas
A very very interesting podcast.
Very interesting subject history, present and future discourse of Pakistan.
Always looking forward for the upcoming ones like this.
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2:00 - TOTAL FAKE & HALF INFORMATION & HALF TRUTH 😂😂
Why are you summarizing qouran?
A phenomenal podcast
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I was under the impression that the famous LUMS is a citadel of learning.
After hearing this professor who doesn't understand that the CAA is just an one off, additional provision for those persecuted minorities who entered India illegally, and even after 10 years, cannot be naturalised is just mind boggling.
The bias and the prejudice to see India as just another Pakistan is very strong.
Tow nation theory say's Hindu and Muslim are different and they can't live together then what is the problem for you.l am from India