Beethoven - Symphony No 6 in F major, Op 68 - Celibidache
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Ludwig van Beethoven
Symphony No 6 in F major, Op 68
00:00 Allegro ma non troppo
11:47 Andante molto mosso
28:02 Allegro
34:33 Allegro
39:03 Allegretto
Munich Philharmonic Orchestra
Segiu Celibidache, conductor
Live recording - Hudba
I have listened to this symphony more than hundreds of times, but this one by Celibidache seems to be a comepletely NEW symphony to me. Absolutely amazing. What a towering genius. He is not only my favorite conductor, but greatest!!
I was listening this while at work. It came from a playlist. But something atracted my attention: the tempo, being able to hear each voice and each phrase of all instruments in the orchestra. And I thought, it MUST be my dearest Celibidache conduction. And so it is!
Both Furtwängler and Celibidache take a very similar approach to the 1st movement. Furtwängler's 1952 performance ends within seconds of this one. Both omit the repeat of the 1st movement exposition. That 1952 performance is my favorite, but that recorded sound leaves so much to the imagination. This to me is a lot like Furtwängler might have done had lived to record later. Note that Klemperer is similar but repeats the expo.
A very clear version, i can hear every single detail
The only performance I've heard that begins to do justice to the last movt.
Nachdem ich die ganze Sinfonie gehört habe, fühle ich erfrischt, wie nach einem Monat Ferien, - dazu erfüllt mit positiver, aufbauender Energie.
Danke Beerthoven, danke Celibidache, - und herzlichsten Dank fürs Hochladen!!!
Yes, to me Beethoven is the only composer who makes me feel and realize how wonderful our life is. And Celibidache brings out the best of Beethoven. A magnificent performance.
@@maumusa123 Furtwängler, Furtwängler ist auch grossartig. Ganz anders, als Celebidache. Da ist es, als ob eine geheimnisvolle Kraft in der Musik strömen würde ...
@@luisademar8986 OK, I know this much. Furtwangler was Celi's mentor and teacher. I know Celi learned a lot from him. I haven't listened to Furtwangler much but I'll try more. Thanks for your input.
@@maumusa123 Kennen Sie das von Beethoven an Bettina von Arnim:
"Ich habe keinen irdischen Freund. Ich muss mit mir allein leben. Dafür ist mir Gott in meiner Musik doppelt nahe.
Ich gehe ohne Furcht mit ihm um und habe ihn jedes Mal verstanden.
Mir ist um meine Musik nicht bange. Die kann kein böses Schicksal hanben.
WEM SIE SICH VERSTÄNDLICH MACHT, DER MUSS FREI WERDEN VON ALL DEM ÜBEL, WOMIT DIE MENSCHEN SICH SCHLEPPEN;"
@@luisademar8986 No, I didn't know. But good to know, thanks. Yes, when God sent Beethoven to us on Earth, HE endowed him with a super special gift--Music. That's why we feel God only in Beethoven's music, but hardly in others. Thanks again.
Perfect music for an early morning.
Maestro Celibidache's slow version of Beethoven symphonies beautifully dissected the intrinsic elements that Beethoven insightfully planted. It gives you a distinct opportunity to resurface Beethoven's hidden emotion...
In that aspect, Maestro Celibidache is an unparalleled interpreter of Beethovens
I totally agree with you.
Wundershöne und detaillierte live Aufführung dieser scheinbar idyllischen und wesentlich perfekt komponierten Sinfonie mit seidigen Töne aller Streicher, brillanten Töne aller Metallbläser und, vor allem, milden Töne aller Holzbläser. Der erfahrene Maestro dirigiert das ausgezeichnete Orchester im relativ langsamen Tempo mit sorgfältig kontrollierter Dynamik. Einfach wunderbar!
An absolutely beguiling, leisurely, and supremely musical performance from this great conductor!
I do not find the tempo at all slow. It is beautifully measured, and allows us to savour each and every fine detail... I saw him conduct many times, and he always produced music in this manner. He is greatly missed.
I hear things I never heard before - in any other version - having listened to this piece at least 100 times in various version. Not saying some of the others are not good, even outstanding in different ways. But this is on another level.
Furtwangler, Klemperer and Kletski worth the compare 🙏
Celibidache is not only the best conductor ever, but probably the ONLY conductor who truly understood the music and allowed us to appreciate and enjoy it--including this one.
I agree with you.
THE GREATEST AMONG THE GREAT! THE SUMM OF ORCHESTRAL DIRECTION.
Ja, das ist wahr. Er versteht die Musik. - Wie Furtwängler. Nicht vergessen!
Entièrement d'accord avec vous.
a lot of this is wonderful. In the end it probably doesn't quite displace Sanderling as my reference recording because, although the leisurely tempi are in general completely appropriate, there are times when you want a bit of nudge for more contrast and certainly more drama in the Storm. There is just a hint of inflexibility at times. But when one considers how rushed and perfunctory most performances of this symphony are, he gets far more right than wrong.
Thank you for sharing this. Amazing conductor, Celibidache !!!
It's slow, but if you give it good will, it carries you into th heart of music, a warm place of great Love !
+Séverin KRÖN two slow for your CD player (for mine as well) it´s not a performance to be recorded.
+Juan Esteban This is very correct! But.... we have the power of imagination, it's what I like about Celibidache recordings.....they give you time to be between the sounds, to enjoy the space there and the individuality of each player. It allows to breath with the music ! But It takes imagination, active listening. Wich of course is best !
+Séverin KRÖN very right!!!
I had the opportunity to attend his rehearsals and classes in Munich, and then, everything makes sense!!!
yes ...my mind kept saying , pick up the pace...HA....I will listen again , we need these various interpretations , having heard this symphony for more than 60 years , a "new" version is a welcome change for these jaded ears.....I'm glad I lived long enough to be able to compare via u-tube....50 yrs. ago i had to be happy w/whatever i could find ,or worse , the "classical" F M radio stations ; full of trite , generic crap
>Deshalb wollte er ja keine Aufnahmen!
This is a Pastoral Symphony without an exposition repeat in the first movement, which is, in my humble opinion, a little bit regrettable. It is, however, one of truly great performances of this supreme masterpiece, maybe because of its relaxing tempo, and its ultimate clarity. Thank you very very much for sharing this priceless gem.
I love this slower version.
Pure joy!
これは物凄い演奏だ。こんな風な演奏は、今までに聴いたことがない。
Ending to Mr. Beethoven Lives Upstairs “Mr. Beethoven believed that music can change the world ,Maybe he will do it, bit by bit. "
thank you💗
Magnificent interpretation! Love Celibidache's version.
Note the trumpets at 40:10 which usually are almost completely covered by horns.
Magnifique interprétation ! On respire la campagne et on sent battre le cœur de la terre. Un beau voyage. Merci, Maestro.
Yes, amamzing interpretation!!! I love his tempo.
Et oui Michel,… On sent battre le cœur de la Terre grâce a une conscience éveillée : « ...Avant de commencer, j'essaie de me vider totalement : et si cela réussit, je redeviens un enfant, un enfant innocent. Je commence, je vous le jure, comme si je n'avais aucune idée du morceau. J'écoute ce qui se passe -et c'est nouveau, tout à fait nouveau. » (Celibidache, La musique n'est rien…)
Beethoven sagt, dass er sich hier, auf dem Lande, befreit fühlt; von seinem Leiden, von seinen Sorgen. Dementsprechend ist die Musik auch entspannend zu verstehen, - das Tempo genau richtig. Eben Ferien, auch Ferien vom Ich.
Und der Meister hat viele wunderbare Details hineingeschrieben, die man bei Celibidache wunderbar hören kann, weil er eben Zeit lässt, Zeit zum Hören. Der Meister hat die Details wohl hingeschrieben, damit man sie hören und aufnehmen kann. Wozu sollte er sich sonst die Mühe gemacht haben?
Nach dem Hören dieses wunderbaren Werkes, von einem verstehenden Dirigenten gestaltet, kann man sich befreit, erholt und hoffnungsvoll fühlen.
- Hört doch endlich auf, an Celibidaches Tempi zu knabbern. Versucht mal zur Abwechslung, ein bisschen zu denken.
El Maestro Celi logra expresar y trasmitirnos,toda la ternura y dulzura de esta obra.Beethoven,dolorido,buscaba amor y carinio.Gran interpretacio'n !!.-
The gift of a genius composer to us who keep up . Standing ovationaly！ Great work ❗
La pastoral !!! magnífica versión !!! Celibidache ...lo mejor.
deepest rendition ever.what a trip
Me sumo a los comentarios existentes , Celibidache !! un grande !!
Este o interpretare la fel de splendida ca toate celelalte ale lui Celibidache!!💜♥️💚💙💛
一種更加優雅的田園氛圍，徐徐的道出不曾擁有過的意境。
Very slow rendition of this masterwork yet makes a compelling case for it.
La música, según la acepción fenomenológica de esta, es una masa sonora en movimiento, articulada en relación directa con la sensibilidad y nuestra conciencia humana. Celibidache ha sido el único, junto con Leonard Berstein, que han enunciado los principio fenomenológicos de la música. Esto explica la admirable capacidad de Celibidache para meterse en la " piel " de los compositores de las obras que ejecutaba. Cuando a muchos les parece que tal o tal ejecución de Celibidache es demasiado lenta, están desarticulando toda la noción de la conciencia que todo director de orquesta debe de anteponer a su propio estilo y respetar el espíritu de la escritura musical que se desprende de cada partitura. Nadie es maestro del ritmo, del tempo, de los pulsos que los diferentes compositores han querido para sus obras, pero de lo que están obligados a hacer es a respetar el mensaje que cada obra lleva consigo. En esta sinfonía pastoral, Celibidache ha interpretado de maravilla lo que esta sinfonía de Beethoven queria que sintiéramos: el matiz del susurro del viento entre las hojas, la serenidad que se desprende de una tarde de un verano que tarda en irse, la mirada sosegada de los animales en comunión con la naturaleza, el leve roce de las hojas de los árboles, el discurrir quedo de un arroyo. Todo esto no sugiere la prisa, la emotividad desordenada, la injustificada premura de una ejecución que, si se eleva el tempo, pierde toda su razón de ser. No creo que en el ánimo de Beethoven estuviera la idea de hacer de esta música que transmite ensoñación, serenidad y paz, otra cosa que el transmitir esas emociones. Las ejecuciones de Karajan, Furtwangler o meme Toscanini, parecen tener prisa por penetrar en el espíritu de quien la oye. Se entregan al dictado de la tecnica en su acepción más burda y, según mi parecer, traicionan el legado de Beethoven en esta maravillosa sinfonía. Por eso insisto en la importancia de la fenomenología musical, porque es la base, el pilar sobre los que se apoya una dirección orquestal respetando los parámetros sin los cuales, la música ejecutada, se compone de un máximo de técnica y un mínimo de conciencia y humanidad. Celibidache, el director más grande de todos los tiempos!
Formidable reflexión, muchas gracias.
The greatest symphony by the greatest composer: Beethoven 6. There are many wonderful interpretations. Celibidace is extra-slow, taking an approach influenced by Buddhist thought; meditative and never in the studio but always live with audience to create music as a religious experience.
So schön! Danke!
!!!Me encanta¡¡¡
Gracias por compartir esta obra maestra.
Mesmerizing💖💖💖Sofisticated💫💫💫🎼💙🎼💙🎼🎼🎼💙
Versión maravillosa !!! para mi...
Bellisima !!!
Sergiu Celibidache, le seul qui ait jamais fait sonner et résonner ainsi toute la puissance expressive de ce chef d'oeuvre ! Je suppose que c'est avec le Philharmonique de Munich ?
You're spot on. He is the one and the only. I think it was Munich. There are a number of Celibidache recordings of this symphony, but to me, this version is the best.
magnifico il temporale
Once you get used to it, any other rendition sounds unnecessarily fast-paced.
You are correct!
Yes I notices that after falling in love with this interpretation
Exactly..fast paced..too fast! Von karajan and the Berlin Phil was solid for me until I heard this a few times. then it hit me..Von Karajan was/is too fast. Celibidache appeared to understand melody..you aren't playing just for showcase instrumental expertise..but that the author is saying something it is a truth and it has its melody. we must understand the story and bring out its melodies, its pace and flow
I think this is more like what Beethoven had in mind. this is terrific..the pace feels so right
Came here because i felt like the pastoral was meant to be played slower. Now it's the only version that feels right to me. Furtwangler is great too tho.
Once Celibidache ( with his orchestra members) and Carlos Kleiber flew in the same airplane and Celibidache told Kleiber "Why do you play everything so fast?"
In my memory , Furtwaengler is the only one who can bring out the mysticism of Nature from Beethoven no. 6, the aura of everything, 天地之氣，everything lives in this symphony and empathises with us. But now i find that his disciple Celibidache is even more wonderful, his God is more like Jesus Father in Heaven. The Atmosphere is more spiritual(Furtwaenglers is more vital)，the spirit is more serene.
adam chan 彼女が結婚してしまって残念だったね‼️気を落とさずに頑張ってください‼️ From Japan
小島信一 i dont understand Japanese, do you mean that Beethoven is in love with some lady, that is why he wrote no.6？
Now i understand, you mean 宮澤理惠
Being played so slow , all the note sounds meanfull
Music !
^malgré l infinie complexité de trouver le juste rythme de cette symphonie qui allie le cosmos a la terre , le mystère a la naissance de l homme , maître celibidache nous découvrir une oraison nouvelle ou l espace , le temps fusionnent en une harmonie de couleurs chatoyantes poétiques même si j aurais plus de puissance intrinsèque au moment ou la terre , exhumée des nimbes , jaillissait en une infinité de formes et de formules secrètes que d autres conducteurs immortels ont du découvrir , a moi d en découvrir la claf et l intense alchimie ,
Wie gewohnt imponierende Größe in den Tempi.
The performance that recorded this live is wonderful.
I am satisfied very much, listening to human-like and relaxing performances that are not restricted by this time. Synchronize with my breathing rhythm.
It is unique to CZcams. (Now I am released from the dark era of CD media! )
August 26, 2018 (It is a wonderful holiday)
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このライブを録音した演奏は素晴らしい。
私はこの時間に制約がない、人間的でゆったりとした演奏を聴けて、大変満足しています。私の呼吸リズムと同期します。
CZcamsならではです。（今、私はCDメディアの暗い時代から解放された！感謝）
2018年8月26日（素晴らしい休日です）
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A lot like Furtwangler style of conducting.
39:27
Oneness
悠久の時の流れ。
I can all understand....
Fitst
What year?
Chi ha caricato il video?.. Perché sono tagliati gli ultimi secondi?.. È terrible.
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NATALIA ESTRADA 美人ですね‼️元気ですか⁉️Ravishing and luscious！ vigorous？ Give my regards from Japan. Which national person are you ？ Look Japan！ Come in Japan！ Japan to cherish a beautiful woman never betray the expectation of a beautiful woman like you ‼️
Lol!!!
Hmm...
catatonico
paolo gaudenzi schostakovic quinta sinfonia
The last 2thunder claps, way off in the distance, I heard for time. Sorry Bruno.
Come sempre il"Maestro" ricerca la verità estetica nella bellezza del "suono" e nel "dettaglio" ma, per me, a scapito della spontaneità ; e cade nel prolisso e nella verbosità: ("Andante molto mosso"). Certo! sono ricerche e scelte estetice tutte rispettabili ma comunque opinabili. Per me le referenze per questa sinfonia sono quelle di : Klemperer 1959, Giulini 1979, Karajan 1982.
lo scopo a volte non è l'eccitazione ma la comprensione, le interpretazioni sono sono come quadri diversi di uno stesso paesaggio, non c'è classifica ( giudizio). c'è musica o non c'è.
Wenn man nach dem Sinn des Lebens sucht, wird man kaum eine Antwort bekommen. Aber wenn man die Pastorale hören durfte, dann ist man der Antwort sehr nahe und man hat nicht sinnlos und umsonst gelebt.
An excellent observation. I cannot agree more.
@@maumusa123 Your answer make me very happy. Thank you so much.
„Andante molto mosso” sounds very... Romanian.
First
Sorry folks!
In a polite way that is really unusual nowadays, I just wanted to tell you that Celibidache`s slow tempi are not my cup of tea at all. Anyways I have a lot of respect for him, believe me or not! :)
A faster tempo turns the 1st movt into mere pastoral bonhomie. A faster tempo makes the 2nd movt. a blurry wash--like a smeary water color. A faster tempo makes the final movt exude bland placidity.
Por favor: No podrían dar la OPCIÓN de TRADUCIR los comentarios al español...? Saludos...🇪🇸🤷🏻♂️😞🤔
The conductor forgot the “allegro” in the “allegro ma non trappo “. Don’t try to know better than Beethoven
Yep you “can hear every detail”. Like an autopsy... unbearably slow. This is Celibidache, not Beethoven 🤷🏻♂️
May be. But very useful, indeed
Beethoven is a mystic, 3,4,6,7,8,9 are the proofs
@@vijinanadu1962 🤣🤣🤣
Also Emperor Piano Concerto mv.2
@@vijinanadu1962 yes 😉 I know Beethoven pretty well, don’t worry… saying “Beethoven is mystical” is limit the size of his music. Bye 👋🏻