Another way to do this, without having to listen to the audio is to set the meters to pre-fader mode, by right-clicking the meter and select that option, then you CAN pull your faders all the way down and go through the process with the input gain controls as you did. This way, you are monitoring the pre-fader signal and adjusting that. Good video though, mate. Glad to see you back making videos!
Good idea Jonny. Quick question though. When we set the fader to pre fader metering, are we looking at the peak of the track to hit -18 or averaging around -18 and peak at -12?
I've struggled with how to efficiently gain stage for years. Usually once I start getting really into the music, I lose track of the meters and by the end, I have to rebalance the whole project again. Your method looks good, gonna try it asap! Thanks for sharing!
It’s definitely something that most of us wont learn for a few years. I’m hoping to do a new mix series showing my process for keeping my meters right throughout the entire mix. Thank you for watching. I really appreciate it. It encourages me have a great week.
Hi George...good video. I saw the one you did a few years ago with Hornet I think. What happens if the wave form isn't even to start with. For example you have a vocal which spikes loudly occasionally. Do you lower those spikes manually first to make a more even wave form? Then apply the metering. Otherwise the level will be to the highest peak and lots of low wave image.
Hello. There are many ways to do this. But you have to think of the signal flow. For example, if you do lower the game of a loud instrument in certain areas, the compressor will be affected. However, if you keep your eye on the overall level of the tract at the highest point, you shouldn’t have to do much if you balance it to -18 DBFS. If you were using a VST instrument, I would just adjust the level in the instrument itself. If you have analog instruments, you can adjust the input gain. Or you can chop up that section and edit the gain using event edit.
Does it make sense to simply normalise all tracks to -18db at the same time, then you’ve got all tracks ready for the plugin chain. And you would maintain that -18db through your effect chain on each channel so your plugins are getting the volume they need. Any volume automation for individual tracks that isn’t corrective but for effect could be done on a gain plugin at the end of the effects chain on the -18db signal. Then simply use the faders on individual tracks post plugin chain and only for balancing. Mix buses faders can be used to control the levels of each group hitting the master bus if needed. I’m wondering if there is a flaw in this approach or if it would work? Thanks for your great and thought provoking videos!
Hi Jorge, Bro, thank you for such an excellent instructional video. It was clear and concise and straight to the point. I have a question, at the end when you convert the tracks, what’s do you do if you then have to add an additional vocal or instrument track? Is there a way to revert back or can you just add it and convert it again? Thanks in advance my brother.
I'm using stems from an old band recording. It's just a stereo track for each instrument so the drums aren't separate. Is it still a good idea to do this as I've noticed they were all recorded very loud at near cd master volume of -9 lufs
@@PintoMusicHTX did this last night. Fresh session, tracks in and looped the loudest part (where the band all kicks in). Vu in to -18 and levelled each track. Master bus on -12 the needle in the red, not moving. The only way I could get it down was if I added mix tool and dropped the master by -6
Why you its -18 on individual tracks and -12 on master? and one think I didn't understood even after you do all the leveling it peaks at the master and again at some point in time you solo all the track and render the audio you test and the mastering fader doesn't peak really confusing, please explain?
Hey there George. Couldn’t you have just highlighted all the audio and used the Studio One gainstaging macro? What if you gainstaged all of those audio tracks? This could take a while to do. I was told that you could also put a level meter on each track and monitor levels that way.
Yes. That is another way to do it. I’m sure it will get you close to tweak as you go. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. I hope you have amazing week!!!!
@@PintoMusicHTX awesome. I mixed a song today and applied the method and it definitely is the way to go. The only thing is that no matter what I do, my end mix sounds too thin and not BIG. Mixing is so hard to be good at and I give you props for being one of the better engineers that I've seen.
@@f2tv what? Thats amazing! Sorry to hear that you're having a difficult time getting your mix to sound big. Thank you for all your kind words. Maybe I can mix your song and see if there's anything we can both learn. Send it to me.
@@PintoMusicHTX sounds good. So I got my mix to sound louder now and I'm curious to see what you think. I have a small clip of the song but how can I get you to hear it?
You use a VU scale of -18. Means that the needle hits 0 when the track level is -18dB. Which is pretty quiet for a record. Then additional you reduce the level via gain input in the mixer channel. In some cases you get a result -18-13dB = -31dB. So can you tell me what is the good thing to work with that massive gain reduction? Technically it means that you reduces very important bit resolution information for all further stages like plugins or volume changes. What you are doing here is the worst you can do in terms of audio quality. Again, you reduce a nearly perfect signal for around 30dB, new rendered. That means you steal digital information, bit resolution from the signal. So why do you think, a following EQ or Compressor or Reverb sounds better now, when a signal has less information to work with than before / with more information? It doesn't makes sence.
Another way to do this, without having to listen to the audio is to set the meters to pre-fader mode, by right-clicking the meter and select that option, then you CAN pull your faders all the way down and go through the process with the input gain controls as you did. This way, you are monitoring the pre-fader signal and adjusting that.
Good video though, mate. Glad to see you back making videos!
Hello Johnny. Yes that is correct. That’s why I love the fader feature on studio one. It takes so much time. I love your videos, sir. Thank you.
Good idea Jonny. Quick question though. When we set the fader to pre fader metering, are we looking at the peak of the track to hit -18 or averaging around -18 and peak at -12?
@@EHall-yx9xy - if that is what you want. Gain staging is meant to be peak values though. So, you look for the meter to peak to the value you set.
great idea Jonny😀
You explained that like a top notch professor thanks for sharing now that makes a whole lot of sense and very easy to understand
I've struggled with how to efficiently gain stage for years. Usually once I start getting really into the music, I lose track of the meters and by the end, I have to rebalance the whole project again. Your method looks good, gonna try it asap! Thanks for sharing!
It’s definitely something that most of us wont learn for a few years. I’m hoping to do a new mix series showing my process for keeping my meters right throughout the entire mix. Thank you for watching. I really appreciate it. It encourages me have a great week.
Great video on gain staging. Very informational
Thank you. Thank you for taking the time to watch it in comet. Hope you have a great weekend.
Thank you, very clear with your instructions and very to the point.
Thanks so much for watching. Keep in touch. Don’t forget to watch some of my other videos. Would love to have you on board.
Amazing tip! Thank you!
excellent way of doing it george😃
Awesome! How are you? What are you up to?
Hold up.. 👏 👏 👏 👏 excellent teaching, brother. Thank you for your technique 👏👏👏👏👏
Thank you very much. Thank you for taking the time to watch it. Hope you have a great week.
@@PintoMusicHTX you as well. God bless you..
awesome brother !!
Why thank you!!!
Inserts in upper part of the master bus are PRE fader
Thx!! You rock!
You’re welcome!
Hi George...good video. I saw the one you did a few years ago with Hornet I think. What happens if the wave form isn't even to start with. For example you have a vocal which spikes loudly occasionally. Do you lower those spikes manually first to make a more even wave form? Then apply the metering. Otherwise the level will be to the highest peak and lots of low wave image.
Hello. Thank you. I would handle those separately via compressor or clip gain. All the best.
thank you for the video bro and i want to ask when you are mixing and one instrument is louder how do you deal with that without touching the fader
Hello. There are many ways to do this. But you have to think of the signal flow. For example, if you do lower the game of a loud instrument in certain areas, the compressor will be affected. However, if you keep your eye on the overall level of the tract at the highest point, you shouldn’t have to do much if you balance it to -18 DBFS. If you were using a VST instrument, I would just adjust the level in the instrument itself. If you have analog instruments, you can adjust the input gain. Or you can chop up that section and edit the gain using event edit.
great video sir. Do you normally switch all vst instruments to transform audio
Helllo. Not always. My computer can usually handle it. But it’s there if I need it.
Does it make sense to simply normalise all tracks to -18db at the same time, then you’ve got all tracks ready for the plugin chain. And you would maintain that -18db through your effect chain on each channel so your plugins are getting the volume they need. Any volume automation for individual tracks that isn’t corrective but for effect could be done on a gain plugin at the end of the effects chain on the -18db signal. Then simply use the faders on individual tracks post plugin chain and only for balancing. Mix buses faders can be used to control the levels of each group hitting the master bus if needed. I’m wondering if there is a flaw in this approach or if it would work? Thanks for your great and thought provoking videos!
Hi. Probably not. It’s all content dependent. Piano vs perc not the same. Some tracks you want to maintain the dynamic range.
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Great video brother!!! Can I ask how you select whole groups so quickly?
Thank you. I use scenes. I program the scene number shortcut on my macro board which is a mechanical keyboard.
Покажите, пожалуйста, как использовать -18db в каналах микшера Studio One при микшировании, как в аналоговых консолях😊🙏
George Pinto???....nice to see you again my friend!
You too!!!!! Let’s stay in touch
Hi Jorge,
Bro, thank you for such an excellent instructional video. It was clear and concise and straight to the point.
I have a question, at the end when you convert the tracks, what’s do you do if you then have to add an additional vocal or instrument track? Is there a way to revert back or can you just add it and convert it again?
Thanks in advance my brother.
Probably best to add and convert again. There’s so many ways. You can also save a new version or a scene.
Why not normalize all audio files to -18 that needs just 10 secs?
Great video! Is that track available anywhere for practice mixing?
Thank you thank you. Yes the track is available. However, you have to be a member of Tournamix.
How did you make your waveforms appear white?
Irrelevant question, but how'd you get your wave forms to change from the standard color black to white??
It’s all good. Can you point me to the exact second or minute that you’re talking about please and I’ll let you know.
I'm using stems from an old band recording. It's just a stereo track for each instrument so the drums aren't separate. Is it still a good idea to do this as I've noticed they were all recorded very loud at near cd master volume of -9 lufs
Should be but don’t worry if you have leaks close to cero
@@PintoMusicHTX did this last night. Fresh session, tracks in and looped the loudest part (where the band all kicks in). Vu in to -18 and levelled each track. Master bus on -12 the needle in the red, not moving. The only way I could get it down was if I added mix tool and dropped the master by -6
Why you its -18 on individual tracks and -12 on master? and one think I didn't understood even after you do all the leveling it peaks at the master and again at some point in time you solo all the track and render the audio you test and the mastering fader doesn't peak really confusing, please explain?
Hey there George. Couldn’t you have just highlighted all the audio and used the Studio One gainstaging macro? What if you gainstaged all of those audio tracks? This could take a while to do. I was told that you could also put a level meter on each track and monitor levels that way.
Yes. That is another way to do it. I’m sure it will get you close to tweak as you go. Thank you so much for watching and taking the time to comment. I hope you have amazing week!!!!
There is a gainstaging macro??
@@robertfimbres9628 yes. In the sphere.
Can you just use RMS meter on channel strip instead of using vu meter?
Yes.
i can't find the vu meter in studio one. there is a level meter, is that the same?
Haha. You have to download. It doesn’t come stock. Have a good one
maybe make that more clear then. thanks@@PintoMusicHTX
@@riffer-t great point. I will be more careful in future videos.
Is this method done before or after setting a compressor and eq?
Howdy.Before. That way you have good levels going into them.
@@PintoMusicHTX awesome. I mixed a song today and applied the method and it definitely is the way to go. The only thing is that no matter what I do, my end mix sounds too thin and not BIG. Mixing is so hard to be good at and I give you props for being one of the better engineers that I've seen.
@@f2tv what? Thats amazing! Sorry to hear that you're having a difficult time getting your mix to sound big. Thank you for all your kind words. Maybe I can mix your song and see if there's anything we can both learn. Send it to me.
@@PintoMusicHTX sounds good. So I got my mix to sound louder now and I'm curious to see what you think. I have a small clip of the song but how can I get you to hear it?
@@f2tv ns345music@gmail.com
You use a VU scale of -18. Means that the needle hits 0 when the track level is -18dB. Which is pretty quiet for a record. Then additional you reduce the level via gain input in the mixer channel. In some cases you get a result -18-13dB = -31dB. So can you tell me what is the good thing to work with that massive gain reduction? Technically it means that you reduces very important bit resolution information for all further stages like plugins or volume changes. What you are doing here is the worst you can do in terms of audio quality.
Again, you reduce a nearly perfect signal for around 30dB, new rendered. That means you steal digital information, bit resolution from the signal. So why do you think, a following EQ or Compressor or Reverb sounds better now, when a signal has less information to work with than before / with more information? It doesn't makes sence.
Jus