DO NOT Make These Mistakes with Your Overland Rig!!!!!
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2023
- Will and his friends discuss their worst overlanding and off roading modifications. They are candid about the stupid things they have done to their Jeeps Wranglers, Toyota Tundras, Toyota FJ Cruisers, Nissans, and Hummers. These are fantastics tips on what not to do with your 4X4 Off Road vehicle if you plan to car camp, truck camp, off road camp, and/or overland.
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The more time I've spend modifying my suspension, the more I'm understanding the value of factory components. There are great aftermarket components but with proper engineering comes a proper price point too. My greatest advice to anyone wanting to off-road on a budget is to keep your suspension as close to stock as you can. Slightly taller springs, sub 2", paired with matched shocks will generally not require much afterthought but will allow for a taller tire thus gaining more ground clearance & contact patch. Id also say get out there with your stock rig and see where its limitations are, based on where you want to take it and do take it, and then see what is worth spending money on making modifications.
Great comment and advice. I agree 100%.
Thanks for letting me be part of this Will! It was fun to share, and see everyone else’s mistakes as well 😂!
Thanks for putting together a great segment and helping folks beware of those sway bar connetors!
This video is helpful. Before I started my build I watched so many videos and asked so many questions to local people about what not to do that go off-roading. I’m 2yrs in and still learning from others. Always planning my next adventure. Thank you & the collaborators again for this video. I showed my wife since we are now starting to build her Jeep.
Right on! I learn as much from other people’s mistakes as I do their successes. So glad it was helpful to you and your wife. Good luck on the build!!
I was laughing really hard over Nathan's nerf bars, my adventure buddy had them installed when she bought a new Colorado last year. She discovered really quick that they are nothing but a shin killer but doesn't want to admit she was wrong so she leaves them on because they look cool 🤣
LOL. That's a classic nerf bar deny-er right there! Thanks for watching!!
WOW what a colab!!!! Thanks not only is this information useful, but thanks for introducing some great creators I can now follow!!!! Thanks for sharing and inspiring!
So glad to hear you liked it!!
Enjoy your videos. Serious at times, hilarious at times!!! It is fun to be able to laugh at yourself. Keep up the fun videos and taking us places we have not seen before.
Thank you so much! More videos coming very shortly!!!
A 12v cooler is great to have although it also requires a battery unit to run it if you don't want to wake up to a dead battery, I have a 54qt unit and originally I got a Jackery 300 to run it which would be fine in cooler weather but in Texas during the summer is wasn't enough, I needed something with over 1200wh which I now have plus some solar to go with, including cooler about a $1500 investment.
That is a really good point, thanks for sharing. Many of them have a low voltage cut-off..but I've heard from several folks that it didn't work and they had a dead battery.
I swapped my factory running boards for Predator steps, then I seen another 4Runner with one side all crushed 😂. Ended up finding a guy on Marketplace with TRD Rock Sliders who wanted to trade even up, so we swapped them in his parking lot and I've rocked them ever since.
lol. That sounds like a pretty good deal for you actually!! And as long as the other person wasn't taking their runner off road, a good deal for them too!
I really enjoy your videos! I’ve been listening to your podcast as well! You inspired me to make my own CZcams channel to document my family and our adventures into the horizon!
For some reason this was flagged and I didn't see it until today. It's so cool to hear you launched a channel! Congrats and happy editing!!!
Great video. So many rigs, so many mistakes. Love to hear I am not alone
Dumb is universal 😂😂
Really enjoyed watching this Will. Funny and helpful. 👏🏻
Thanks man, great tips from you!
Great job guys!! We all make mistakes I think at some point it’s inevitable. Hope it helps people out!
Thanks for watching and dropping a comment. Hope folks find it helpful too!
Thanks for finding a great FJ cruiser build!
Tyler has a great channel..lots of good content there!
Love these tips, :D. Good hanging with you guys!
Always good stuff from you Fletch, thanks for participating!
It’s always good to see Nissan content.
@@brackeng1294 Woohoo! One of us, one of us, :D. Lots more Nissan content to come from me!
Lots of words of wisdom there! Unfortunately, I can relate to a lot of those mistakes!
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Great video Will! I just got my patches today, so thank you for them! One of the issues with Sway Bar disconnects on a Fake Jeep (FJ) us that they are an IFS front end. Over flex is horrible for IFS vehicles, whereas there's no CVs in a solid axle vehicle. Another reason Broncos are a bad idea for off-roading! I'm so glad you listened to my advice and went with the 386 Jeep!
So glad you FINALLY got it. Sheesh. What’s with that guy who can’t get a patch in the mail anyway 😂. You nailed it on the IFS..I should have mentioned that, but glad you brought it up in the comments!
@Venture2Roam I honestly wasn't expecting the patches, so I wasn't worried about it. Lmao. I'm just enjoying your channel and helping where I can.
My 4Runner is all C4Fab. Really strong quality product but the rock slider is hard on the calves when exiting the vehicle.
Good meeting you today at KSuspension Fab.
Great meeting you too!
Will, another great teaching/informational vid. I really enjoy and learn from them. Love the format and the wide range of views. Have you thought about doing one of these on nav systems or sat comms and maybe the groups top 3 and why?
Great idea! I’ll add it to the list.
Dude!! that was a really fun collab. Thanks for putting it together. Cheers man!! Say Hi to Kate. J & C
Will do!! Cheers!
😂😂. Great video. Man I can’t wait to see Chris’s JK done.
We finished the suspension earlier this. Week. Vid coming soon!
Great video Will and thank you for letting me give my two cents on my worst mod. Like you said in the video, better quality or better placement for rock lights might make a difference for some people, but with my awning lights they are just not for me. Thanks again!
It was a pleasure as always working with you on this Mike!
I'm here to point and laugh. 😂 (coming from the guy that upgraded to 20 inch rims and 33 inch tires 🤦) great video Will!
Hey that’s a great setup for getting groceries!
On the thing about cooler I use frozen water bottles for ice. 1/2 or Gallon mik Jugs work too.
This is great advice!
So many truth bombs. Spacer lift bad. Quality lighting good. Meat water bad. Ice coolers should be saved solely for making mixed drinks 😂 Somehow my plastic side steps have survived 5 years as "rock sliders". JKS makes good disconnects 👍
Awesome comment thanks for watching and sharing!
With 4 inch lift a d 35s, i needed some running boards. I dont do super difficult stuff with mine. Just mud trails in WV.
There's really no problem with having nerfs or runners as long as you know the limitations they create. I sometimes wish I had a step into my rig!
Not a modification but my biggest regret is when I bought my Jeep I got a soft top. Being a toy and not an everyday driver I thought having a soft top would be fun. I’ve since learned that on long trips it gets real annoying real fast! Shortly after buying it I drove it from Arizona to Maine and back, that was one of the longest most uncomfortable experiences 😂
Dude...me too. I got a soft top...and now it just sits on my garage floor. Kate is tired of looking at it so I have to figure out how to get rid of it now :)
Swaybar disconnects on solid axels are a great modification, don't overlook bumpstops and longer brake lines if you added lift though! I can see how a swaybar disconnect on independent suspension would cause problems on the CV's.
Oh man…a lift with no brake line extensions is asking for trouble. None of us have done that one…but good addition to the list!
I’ve had pretty good luck with mods over the years, but I messed up choosing a rig once. I bought a 1999 Isuzu Trooper. That thing was a BEAST offroad. But it burned oil, got maybe 8 mpg highway, was loud, and the 4wd had a mind of its own. Eventually it was so unpleasant and expensive to run, I didn’t want to take it anywhere and eventually sold it for pennies.
I actually always liked how the Isuzu Troopers looked and kinda wanted to build one up... but their reliability issues are a huge hurdle.
Troopers are so cool…from the outside. Thanks for sharing!!
Spacer lifts have a place- 1/4-1/2” spacers are great for helping with squat.
Shocks are the most seriously under budgeted and under prioritized item on any rig. Spending the coin on GREAT shocks, and then spending the money to have them truly tuned…. Changes everything.
The nerf bars! All truth!!! 🤣😂
A few moments on drop brackets would be good- they are great for over landing. Have even heard of guys saying “if your catching on drop brackets or control arm mounts you have bigger problems”- evo high clearance kit…. All day every day! No more catching on mounts- arms are bent for higher clearance… phenomenal design.
I used air bags for squat. But I never considered a bump stop lift for that. Good point. The problem is when a body lift is thought of like a new suspension. Totally agree with you on shocks. Thanks for watching!!
I think some spacer lifts are good (Epic Adventure Outfitters has installed Teraflex performance spacer lifts on projects and I have faith in them that they wouldn't install products they wouldn't run on their own rigs) but I agree there are many that are a bad idea. Great video, very entertaining and informative, funny as well.
Spacers definitely have their place, but I’m not confident they improve your suspension…but they can make just enough room for bigger tires in certain situations.
I agree that they don't improve suspension, just that good quality ones can give the clearance wanted, for bigger tires, or just more clearance. I'm currently looking at doing a teraflex base 2.5" spring lift kit, not a lot more than their spacer lift, and can upgrade shocks when the budget allows. Tired of rubbing the belly on my JLU. Keep up the great content, glad I found your channel, through Casey 250's channel.
@@tonyk1amt806I’m throwing 37s on my Mojave and might need a spacer lift until I out a new suspension on it.
Mistake #1 should have been wearing a white shirt when “working” on a vehicle. It’s kind of like the nerf bars of shirts. Dead giveaway that you weren’t actually working on anything. Haha!
Enjoyed the video as always!
Bahahaha. Caught. Although I did put in that drop bracket before I changed shirts. But you nailed me on that one 😂
My 4Runner came with factory nerf bars although they call them "predator side rails" and I think they are ridiculous. I have some sliders on order already...
I mean...it has an awesome name...but no. 😂
Honestly, Never done a bad mod. But then I have been modding for 3 decades and off roading for most of that. Even off roaded a 4" off the floor front wheel drive. Now that teaches you stuff!
A lot of people do poor mods to suspensions. Personally, mine is standard height, added helper springs and Anti-Roll Bars. still get full articulation so it's fine. better for road use. Dampers, now they are not kept standard. The most important part of the on road set up.
Yep, go rocksliders, I'll be making my own soon. It's a Defender, don't technically need them, but it might save scratching my nice galvanised cill rails.
Agree with poor headlights are terrible, so the standard 7" headlights got swapped out ofr Wypac Crystal's, look good and better lamps. will be going blue bulbs later on as they increase rthe usability of the lamp a lot, expecially in fog.
Coolers, even electric ones, gret for travelling, not good for camps. Just buy a proper 12v compressor fridge.
Good little vid, great advice from all of them. 😀
You've NEVER done a bad mod???? Everything has been perfect for 3 decades??? Sounds like you were born for this.
Bronco badlands comes with rock sliders. Frame attached. Fine for any overlanding rig. Most come without anything, so...almost a slam
Jeeps come with plastic steps too…so…😂. Thanks for watching. I’ll let Nate know he was wrong about that 😎
I really like the collaboration videos, how about using unknown CZcams channels maybe less than 20 subs 😉😂
Thank you! I feel like we're all unknown :)
liked the video overall, but I think we have some term confusion. The Idea behind the "Nerf Bar" comment is correct, but I am not sure about the term. Nerf Bars as originally devised are actually functional equipment. originally, nerf bars were installed on race cars as basically side bumpers in the case of "nerfs" or side to side contact (since they are meant to actually protect against contact they were welded to frame out of appropriate DOM to hold car weight or more) . for off road cars I have usually seen the term used in the same way to describe loops that are functional (ie should hold the weight of the car) the are welded onto rock sliders to provide vertical protection from side impacts. they are usually tight to the body and welded on an upward angle to protect lower doors and sills, thus they dont impact clearance because the slider portion is still the lowest portion which should be even with or above frame rails. they may still provide a bit of a step function, but thats more like a step out rather than a step up (more like a porch than a ladder) since the nerf bar should be at the height of the slider or above.
Running boards or sidesteps on the other hand dont provide any kind of vehicle holding or sliding functionality. they are merely for aesthetics or to provide a step up. I understand that many side steps like the one you guys pictured in the vid are designed to look tough, but I wouldnt call them "nerf bars".
a good way to look at it from my perspective is you can actually have all 3 things rocksliders, nerfbars, and steps in the same package or separately. Jeep Rubicons come with rock sliders from the factory but dont come with nerf bars to protect the side sill and lower door. Toyota 4 runners (2015+) offer a rock slider with a nerfbar oem where the bar sticks out past the side of the truck to give side impact protection. finally, rock slide engineering has rock sliders with power side steps that drop down automatically when the door opens, but retract for offroading.
looking around, I feel like this term "nerf bars" has really kindof been absorbed into non functional (for actual offroading anyway) steps so I am probably just out of touch. I like having terms for all three though, so I would ask what would you call an extension of the rockslider that comes up above the sill (or at least parallel with and out) to prevent against side impacts if not nerf bars? how would you differentiate between those and rails that are only designed to protect against impacts from below?
anyway just my 2 cents.
Really great comment! much appreciated context and info!!
Rotopax locks are awful!!! When I sold my 4Runner build I had to cut the locks off my traction boards and aux fuel container. I had not used them since the season before and in that time they completely seized up.
Nice to know Caleb isn't alone! I've never used the locks...they look to cumbersom for me..plus I lose keys all the time!
Lots of good advice in this video.
Those nerf bars tho.
The worst thing I have ever done, is buy a cheap air pump for $20 at a local auto parts store. Lets just say it couldn't fully air up 4 of my 31 inch tires after driving on a beach. Luckily I was only few miles away from a gas station that had free air.
Im not saying a 4 inch lift is stupid, but you don't need it for overloading. Plenty of people safely overland on stock height suspension. A 2 inch lift is more than enough for most people. My main point, its stupid to spend money one something you don't need or will rarely use. People drop $10k on large tires and suspension and barely use it. Buy what you actually need, not what want or what other people have.
Great advice!
Can you confirm Nathans channel. When I search I see his name on vids but when you ck on it , it goes to outdoor auto? Is that his site now?
Yep that’s his channel. He just changed the na,e two days ago.
I just ditched the factory nerf/predator steps from my Tundra, I HATED them so much!!
They are great for helping you get in the truck..but terrible for everything else lol.
@@Venture2Roam I have the factory ones for sale, CHEAP!! ha ha ha
@@theangrycamper 😂😂
Either you are the best dressed person to ever work on a Rig or you were just posing for the camera😂
100% posing. I changed my shirt a few minutes after to finish the work.
Another no no is wearing a button down shirt when installing a lift....just joking, great video.
😂😂😂. I agree 100% 🤦♂️
What is the worst mod, choices for overlanding, is cheap vehicles like Ford, Nissan, Kia, anything GM, especially Hummer, and FIAT/Chrysislers?
Lol. So what I’m your opinion is a non cheap brand choice??
@@Venture2Roam Toyota.
@@kellstat LOL. Somehow I knew you were going to say that. Hey, no judgement here..I'm glad you take pride in owning a Toyota, I think they are great vehicles.
I added a puck lift to the front of a pickup to level it out. Ruined the ride. I should have got longer front coil over assembly. A tip for anyone who has to use coolers. Freeze a bunch of water bottles to put in the cooler, they last as long as a block of ice and don't get everything wet plus it gives you extra water to drink once they do thaw.
Great tip on using coolers. I understand using pucks for leveling..but some folks think it’s a true lift and it’s not.
lmao meat water. my wife almost threw up haha
🤮 no coolers for me lol.
funny cause I use my rock lights all the time at camp. Also I just purchase the white ones to actually see stuff, color wont help you there
Yep. I think they could be useful if used/installed right. I’m still contemplating getting some for the 392.
I wanna know about that FJ40 in the background.
Go check out @independenceoverland
Wait..you mean in the shop? That’s actually a Badierente. It’s an awesome rig. Nate did a video on it.
I was told that once you get to your third build, you will get it right.
I think there's a lot of truth to that!
Mistakes exist to learn from 🤷
Totally...hoping our mistakes help others :)
Trying to make ppl understand there is a difference between a “lift” and a performance engineered suspension.
Spacer lift, pucks or drop bracket lifts do nothing but make the rig higher, but it will indeed handle even worse with higher COG and inferior springs/struts, etc.
spend the money and buy a quality suspension! You, your passengers, and the rig itself will be so much happier and not beat to 💩 by the end of the day.
Also better traction and articulation!
Great points. Thanks for watching and sharing!!
I just bought a 2013 Tacoma that came with nerf bars, 20" wheels and low profile sports car style tires.
Major cringe
I mean…that’s a great setup for getting groceries..but not so much for going off-road. 😂 Hope you have a blast changing it up!!
Hey I'll show you that I am fully capable off-road in my full size with nerf bars. I'm 5'2 and require them for my lifted truck but that doesn't in any way mean I am an inexperienced driver... 😂 but then again I sit in parking lots laughing at jeep builds so I guess it's only fair. 😅😂
And to be fair my truck wasn't built only for rocks it was more built to take on the Owyhee County mud so there is that too but we will ignore that part lol 😅 but it's pretty cocky to claim that nerf bars means I can't drive offroad. Although all other points are spot on.
You’re right. Nerf bars don’t mean you are a bad driver. You actually have to be a very good driver to have them and not damage your rig when driving difficult trails.
Haha won't argue there 😆 I just have to poke where I can. Sliders are definitely the better option
P.S. Props on taking on Owyhee mud..that stuff is no joke.
@@Venture2Roam it's definitely in a league of it's own but it's kinda why I enjoy playing in it.
I would greatly disagree that suspension and tires are the most important for off roading, lockers should be your first modification for off roading!
Interesting choice! To each their own. Lockers are an incredible improvement. IMO you get way more performance improvement for 95% of your offroad driving by improving your suspension and tires, while lockers will give you a significant benefit, but for me, usually only in circumstances/situations where I'd need good tires and suspension to begin with.
"Meat water"! 😂🤣😂🤮
Sounds so gross.
Turn off the background music. It is beyond me why CZcams content creators think playing background music over their voice is somehow enhancing their videos, it is not, it is distracting. We came to hear you, not to fight background music which quickly becomes extremely annoying and intrusive. Many folks have hearing difficulties, thus while concentrating on your voice they must also concentrate on tuning out the music; frustrating. Your background music ruins an otherwise exceptionally good presentation.
I hear you loud and clear. It was a little bit of an overkill rant, but I understand your point. I probably won’t change my style based on this comment, but it’s something to think about. You should check out Coddiewomple overland. No music ever. I bet you’ll love it!
These mistakes are hilariously comical. First mistake is trying to buid a serious rig out of a newer truck. Get you a straight axle vehicle. A vehicle thatbwas built to last from factory.
What rig would you choose??
@@Venture2Roam depends what you're building it for. Overland or rock crawler. Might need a truck over an suv or a jeep but you cant go wrong with a 90's jeep cherokee or toyota. A jeep TJ if you dont need alot of room.
@@_JEBUS I like those options!
Don’t do any lift.
Lifting a rig is definitely optional. It all depends on the types of trails you want to drive.