Skyrim - Could the Dragonborn Become Emperor? - Elder Scrolls Lore
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The Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim is an open world action role-playing video game developed by Bethesda Game Studios and published by Bethesda Softworks. It is the fifth main installment in The Elder Scrolls series and was released worldwide on November 11, 2011. The game's main story revolves around the player character and their quest to defeat Alduin the World-Eater, a dragon who is prophesied to destroy the world. The videogame is set two hundred years after the events of Oblivion, and takes place in the fictional province of Skyrim.
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I mean, looking at the other guilds quest lines, he just needs to get a job as the castle courrier and 7 missions later we got ourselfs a new emperor.
Lol
DANIEL SANTIAGO MONTOYA OTALVARO, with the refreshing exception of the Dawnguard where he stays a grunt agent for his entire time with the guild
search no more, this is the best comment here
Or she.
Coffee Succubus, we’re talking strictly about the dude on the box cover art which is a dude. (I know that was redundant)
"The dragonborn still has mortal years to live by."
*Laughs in vampire.*
That, and it seems like these emperors live awhile. I read in a book in Skyrim that one of them lived to be 108 years old.
@@wokenpancake if the LDB is an Elf-race then he/she will also live quiet the long life
@@Odysseus0000 idk it doesn't seem acceptable for them to make him the emperor but considering the thalmor might bend to his will because they're from the same race might be even better
I think the dragonborn becoming a vampire lord is canon because he is shown as a vampire on the Dawnguard DLC cover rather then dressed in the dawnguard uniform. It would be really dumb for the last dragonborn to allow himself to die of old age after all.
@@Stormvermin-bx1lh It's neither confirmed nor not that Dragonborn became a vampire or not. You have to remember that there multiple choices in game quests like the civil war quest.So while destroying Harkon with auriel bow is canon. Or Dragonborn being a nord in lore is canon whether or not Dragonborn became a vampire probably won't be.Think of it as the same situation as the Dragonborn killing the emporer or not. It all depends in your Headcanon.
By the end of Skyrim, the Dragonborn has potentially pledged themselves to fifteen different Daedric princes, possibly also Sithis, certainly Akatosh, and is potentially a werewolf and a vampire. Theory: They're "the Last Dragonborn" because all those forces will be so busy arguing with one another about who gets the Dragonborn's soul that they'll never actually die, and will remain the immortal God-Emperor of all Tamriel.
Also...wow, you guys really hate the Empire, don't you??
You’re leaving out the fact the Dragonborn, having a dragons soul, also shares their ability to absorb the souls of other dragons once they are slain. Given the amount of dragons you kill throughout the game it’s easy to say those Daedra would be rewarded with one of the many dragon souls the DB has and not their individual soul, which ol would go onto Aetherius and eventually back to nirn since the Dragonborn is Ysmir
@@jame9277 I thought Dragonborn is Shor, and Ysmir is Talos.
@@VERGILGASM I'm pretty sure theyre the same thing, maybe im wrong
@@VERGILGASM the other way around shor is talos yismir is the dragonborn
The Empire 4E is a shell with a rotting carcass inside. Of course we hate the Empire. They should have fought on just like the Redguards did. The Redguards managing to push back the Thalmor despite peace with the Empire is clear indication that the Emperor signed the concordat, with losing conditions to spare his own life and his fathers ascent to the throne. The concordat led to the Redguards seceding due to being betrayed by the Empire and to the civil war in Skyrim.
Where is all the indignation of that "rebellion"
I’d much rather be high king of Skyrim than emperor of Tamriel. However I can imagine that there would be a lot of people who would rally behind the idea of another Dragonborn emperor.
I wish you could call a moot with all the Jarls and become High king of Skyrim.
@@amariel1811 …. Then missions to drive the Thalmor out.
I feel like High King would be a natural stepping stone, you need support after all and Skyrim would be a hell of a loyal base for the dragonborn
@@tzimiscelord8483 yeh and this way like many emporers if our time he is both high King of skyrim and emporer of tamriel the problem would be with his death (we are assuming he is male and a nord btw) if his heir is nord this I fine but after a few generations the line between nord and imperial blur and this could lead to another civil war with skyrim wanting to be ruled by a nord.
Let's see, high king of a frozen rock? Or EMPEROR of an Entire vast continent? Idk man seems like a better deal for a cushy life in the white gold tower rather than solitude.
Imagine him showing up to the capital on the back of a dragon with several dozen flying overhead when he makes his claim. Not exactly something you could refuse from either a political or military standpoint.
Thuazabi like Danarys?
Joseph Dume yeah, except skyrim dragons are immortal so
@@D00MKNUCKLE just got a cool story idea.
Dragonborn is inserted into asoiaf with Paarthurnax, Odahviing, and Durnahviir. Proceeds to have much sex with Dany and create a BIG GODDAMN EMPIRE.
ye, i like.
The dragons of asoiaf are just animals, while TES dragons are semidivime beings.
I doubt the Dragonborn would care about Dany either way. He might just end up pulling a Tibby Septum by having her put out of the way... permanently.
@@LordMortanius well yeah, depends on if he finds her hot or not :P
Dragon born: is a literal living god
Random skyrim guard: I’m watching you
Eh, well, demigod, but yes...
@@CaleTucker speak for yourself, I use console commands and mods lol
The guard is Sans the Skeleton in disguise.
There is no proof he is god, however akatosh has many reincarnations and avatars that are usually dragonborn, martin septim being one example, and i think talos too, so its very possible, although he's no demigod, because in the skyrim universe god's and daedra are the physical manifestations of an idea, mentality or concept, so they physically can not have children
@@Thuazabi yeah i do that too
Think of the dragonborn's achievements in totality. Killing the emperor or eliminating the dark brotherhood, War hero (stormcloaks or empire), blessing of Nocturnal's luck (as well as leader of the thieves guild), harbinger of the companions, wealthy property owner and thane in every hold, slayer of Alduin , Harkon, Miraak, Countless Dragons, Undead and Bandits, member of the Morrowind Great House of Telvanni, helped the wealthy East Empire Company , killed Windhelm's version of Jack the Ripper, has the artifacts of almost every Daedric Prince, can craft any potion armor or weapon, has influence with either the powerful Volkihar vampires or key member of the Dawnguard, Arch-mage of the college of winterhold (and earned the respect of the Psijic monks in the process, helped the Blades rebuild, and not to mention knows every shout, spell, enchanting technique possible, as well as having helped various characters throughout the game from the menial task to the heroic. Th question isn't whether or not the Dragonborn is fit to be Emperor but WHO COULD POSSIBLY BE A BETTER CANNIDATE?!!!
Also forgot to mention access to the near infinite Knowledge contained within the Black Books.
Well, anyone who has some amount of political knowledge and experience would be better.
But given how you became the archmage of Winterhold and the leaders of the Compansions...
Also dont forget the slayer of Serana's "Portal of Oblivion" 😏
Well all that sure is impressive..but how often does he frequent the cloud district?
We attend 1 class and end up going on a mission and boom. Arch mage. 😅
I'd imagine anyone could be Emperor if they set their minds on it, but a dragonborn would certainly find the task to be much easier thanks to their inherent power and legitimacy.
Fudgemuppet: dragon born is a highly prestigious title
The npc of Skyrim:
“You want something from me?!”
“I’m not afraid of you, even if you are my elder”
“You’re new around here, so don’t get in my bad side if you know what’s good for you”
“Do you get to the cloud district often? Oh what am I saying, of course you don’t”
“Citizen”
“Let me guess, someone stole your sweet roll?”
Etc lol
*literally rips a dragon to pieces* Bandits: "Ooh, shiny armor, me want."
Another wanderer here to lick my fathers boots good job
I know right, at least the champ of cyrodiil got a statue outside Bruma.
Becoming dragonborn
Guards:........
Becoming the harbinger of the companions
Guards:HAIL COMPANION
@@oakeye980
*bruwuma
Dragonborn: **Assassinates current emporer in dark brotherhood quest, takes his clothes and wears them, then charges into the imperial city with an army of dragons and nords** "I'm the captain now."
I don't think they can really say no tbh lmao
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh what.
@@anthonypisarski9913 this my friend is called a.....Plan 😂
@@countlitmogaphil392 Jager Tharn 2
@@anthonypisarski9913 😂😂 indeed
@@anthonypisarski9913 or pull a real hagar that, impersonate him by becoming a master of illusion magic, and hide the emperor's body somewhere
"You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just
because some watery tart threw a sword at you"
Where is that from?
@@connorross4571 Monty Python and the Holy Grail
@@kimwelch4652 oh right.
😂😂🤣🤣
"Last Dragonborn" can also mean the latest one or the last one to appear. It doesn't necessarily mean the "Final" one. Also if the Dragonborn is turned into a vampire lord by Serana, a daughter of Coldharbour, he is guaranteed to live forever and be even more powerful and will easily conquer all of Tamriel....until he grows bored of the mundane life of Emperors and secludes himself like Harkon did.
Dammit, you beat me to it.
the fun thing about dragonborn taking molag's curse is one, it would be incredibly hard for him to venture due to vampires being killed by the sun(this is according to lore, in the game you dont die because of balancing issues)
and two if and when he would be killed because skyrim doesnt exactly put up with human cattle farms, his soul would be subject to molag bal's pleasure
@@cindin3802 no because the DB has too much power. If i had to guess the LDB will ascend to godhood
Our character would probably get bored of being an immortal dragonborn emperor and simply achieve CHIM, achieve amaranth, and screw off to another multiverse of possibility 😂
Nah, when he gets bored, hermaus mora will swoop in and treat him like mirak
I wish that there was a “yes man” option where instead of you siding with the Imperials or Stormcloaks you try and become High King.
Like conscripting your own army?
@@paulring6759 - no, just using five Talos Amulets to shout both sides off of High Hrothgar.
@@jacrispy3275 Tru dat
@@jacrispy3275 No, shout their leaders TO High Hrothgar, from where they're standing/sitting
Quantum *Highking
Video idea: "A Comprehensive Guide to Immortality" where all known paths to immortality in ES lore are explained
Meh most of them involve various forms of undead or God hood.
It's funny that i only saw this video now and in the suggested videos thumbnail i can see this very idea as a fully fledged video:
czcams.com/video/meqQgfkb-wE/video.html
One of the famous ways for immortality
~
Tgm
A path to immortality, open console command and type 'tgm' 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
JoãoHenrique Correia no cheese rolls
If you look at this from a game development standpoint, it would be difficult to write that the PC becomes the emperor due to how hard it is to make lore around a customizable character.
They can make a canonical version and just let the players have theirs. Honestly while most players like the lore of the elder scrolls universe alot if people just like having their own story. So it wouldn't be hard per say, just hard to make a good one that doesn't contradict already established lore.
They did it with the hero of Kvatch…
A lot of the trailers showed a male nord sort of like how Morrowind showed a dunmeer and oblivion an imperial.
They could easily deal with this though. Same way they've delt with it in the pass. The Nerevarine was Dark Elf by default but defined by player choice in the wiki. It's not game breaking and often times they just refer to that person as the Nerevarine same would be true for the Dragonborn Emperor. He's just the "Last Dragonborn Emperor" They can refer to him/her by title vs ever referring to them by specific name/race etc. Super easy and honestly with how loose they wrote some of the characters of history's lore like Tiber Septim who is the most famous yet least known in some respects. So totally doable with TES writting style imo. You mean to tell me the most famous man in all of history who conquered all coast to coast no a single person can 110% without doubt claim to know his actual race. There are opinions and the such but its all speculation and conjecture at the end of the day so if that can "pass" the PC becoming Emp is totally doable at the very least they should've became high king via themselves grabbing it OR at least allowing us to marry Elisif. After the story concludes in the Skyrim playthrough the lore could state that person went on (The High King AND Queen of Skyrim went on to reunify the empire or Strengthen it;however you would want to word it. And go on to fight the Dominion OR the next great war against the Akavir.) So whether you are man or female, marry Elisif as a male or female, or take it for yourself regardless and have your own wife/husband depending what the player picked. It still would fit in with that wording "The High King and Queen of Skyrim went on to do XYZ. Then onward to Emperor and Empress" bam. Never once mentioning their personal names or races. Because lets face it at the end of the day our character in skyrim WILL be refered to in canon lore as "The Last Dragonborn" never name, race, or gender so could paint it however you want. OR they will do it like the Nerevarine... "Nord by default; defined by player choice" lmao
If I am correct, the canonical last dragonborn is a nord
I’ve always had this feeling that the last Dragonborn’s purpose isn’t necessarily to defeat Alduin but rather to keep the current kalpa cycle going, it just so happened that making him the Dragonborn would be best suited for the first big bad(s) you face. The only evidence of this is the events of both dlc
Both the DLC are about people trying to take over the world, not end the Kalpa.
I always thought the opposite, the dragon is an agent of chaos, stopping stagnation and to keep things changing.
@@timyuusis3372 It’s likely the Dragonborn is actually there to end the world. You return Alduin’s soul, the soul of the destroyer to akatosh. But despite being destined to be the destroyer and having the soul for this task alduin was never a destroyer, he wanted power and control.
The Dragonborn has defeated 3 antagonists that seek control.
@@stevefilms1997 I think Akatosh will choose a new World Eater. He denied the Last Dragonborn access to Alduin's soul, since it would grant the Last Dragonborn the potential to become the World Eater, and Akatosh either hasn't decided who will take up that role, is waiting for us to die to turn us into an actual dragon in the afterlife to one day send back out in Alduin's place (unlikely, given the Last Dragonborn is implied to be a Shezzarine), or Akatosh has a different candidate in mind.
Personally I think Paarthurnax is going to become the World Eater. By founding the Way of the Voice, he has proven that he has already overcome the same lust for power that drove Alduin to neglect his role. And sure, the Dragonborn can choose to kill Paarthurnax. But when the Dragonborn dies, Akatosh may be able to reclaim Paarthurnax's mind and soul from the Dragonborn.
Dragonborn could declare the emperor as a illegitimate ruler and use his status to claim his legitimacy. And start a coups d'état. Would be good dlc. He could even say it was his divine right to rule.
I mean whose gonna stop someone who basically has an army of dragons that serve him
Except that canonical fact that the dragonborn isn't a douchebag usually. In the case of miraak another one is able to cleanse the world of his tyranny.
this is some fanfic shit
@@usern4metak3ns doesn't the dragonborn assassinate the emperor for the brotherhood
@@Trismixify why do you say that as if you made some kind of point?
If you played the brotherhood storyline you would understand how stupid you just made yourself seem...
“You two might want to burn those uniforms”
Im gonna lose all my benefits.
Im gonna lose my only pair of clothes.
I know this reference, but don't remember where it's from. Where is it from?
@@jshooa4840 skyrim parody
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@@Jakethesnake2007 I fucking forgot the name of that Comedy Genius! THANK YOU!!
I wonder would the Khajiit, with their worship of Akatosh and history with dragons, rejoin the empire if there was a dragonborn emporer?
I wish
That is a great question
Yes but how would the racist Ulfric handle that as High King.
@@Bornwithadkrlman racist Ulfric? When was he ever racist?
@@isaac_aren He puts all Dunmer and Argonians in a designated ghetto, sounds pretty racist to me
A while ago I heard someone theorise that The Last Dragon Born isn't exactly the last. The theory said that they are considered the last because the world was meant to end. So if they failed then it they woulld be the last, but they didn't. Time goes on past the point it was meant to stop. leaving a potential for more. This been said, they aren't needed anymore. Another way you could view it is that the Last Dragon Born was the last Needed Dragon Born.
From a game design POV, I could see Bethesda using that as the ironclad basis for not including Dragonborn powers in subsequent iterations of TES. For many players (including this one) Skyrim is their first, and possibly only, experience of TES. Not having the ability to shout in a new game would feel... weird. Best to have a reason to belie those expectations. ='[.]'=
@@Raycheetah I honestly didn't use any shouts at all in my first playthrough lol. Except in the tutorials. I dunno the button was in a weird location on that laptop back then. It was only MUCH later that I used it once in a while. I dunno it made the game too easy.
Or by last dragonborn, it could mean the last dragonborn line. So if your character is Walder Frey, loads of dragonborns!
@@Raycheetah There are no reasons not to include voice commands into magic system alongside hand movements. No one said that they have to be the Voice. In fact custom spells from previous games usually are far more powerfull then Voice. A few order of magnitude more powerfull.
Im more interested in what happens to the world after skyrim.
The world was *meant* to end as it had countless times before.
I would wonder what happens to the world now that it hasnt. My theory would be rapid entropy.
Ive seen story lines before in othet works where people destined to die that dont, meet with even worse fates than their original.
Would the world of elder scrolls now start getting much, much worse until it ends in an uglier way?
I’m almost certain the Dragonborn will become the emperor. Paarthurnax gave foreshadowing to it by saying: "We were made to dominate. The will to power is in our blood. You feel it in yourself, do you not?"
Dude Bethesda is never going to do that for ES6.
@@Priceluked You're obviously right but that would've been excellent material for an epic dlc
Paarthunax also says,"What is better? To be born good or to overcome your evil nature?" ... if the Dragonborn follows the Way of the Voice it's likely they would not choose to dominate Tamriel.
Would old Hermaous Mora allow his chosen champion that much freedom?
@@HaddaClu Hermaous Mora does not get a say, the Deadra is full of bluster and bullshit, making claims to things he has no power over it's been his schtich for a while, even though he has no more power than any other Deadric Prince.
That being said Mora would likely be quite glad to see the Dragonborn go full Tiber Septim, as it would suit him, which makes me lean more towards the Way of the Voice being a better ending for the Dragonborn, choosing it to spite the arrogant Deadric Prince and all his hollow claims of dominion over him.
The Dragonborn is definitely a contender for the throne, just think about it. The Emperor dies in the Dark Brotherhood time line, and the throne is cleared for the Dragonborn. Also, either result of the civil war could possibly still result in the Dragonborn’s ascension to power, though the imperial one seems far more realistic.
Why not do the same thing Tiber Septim did, just build an army and invade.
I'm a bit late, but I'm not sure the dark brotherhood quest line is canon. I think it's likely given the amount of content, but there's still always the destruction of the dark brotherhood happening too. Or they might somehow avoid the death of the emperor some other way.
@@MichaelClark-uw7ex Just become the Emperor and comand the armies of Cyrodill, High Rock and Skyrim. Beat the AD in a 4th great war and GG.
@@pauloh.alchaar I don't think it would be that easy, depending on how the Skyrim civil war actually played out and the Aldmeri Dominion is not going to sit back and watch.
The Empire as it stands is decadent and fractured, the best thing is to rebuild it from scratch through conquest them drive out the Thalmore like the Alessians did to the Ayleids.
@@MichaelClark-uw7ex Neither the Dragonborn lol. You will have all the shouts and some Dragons by your side. Humanity will join him if Titus Mede is dead.
You’re forgetting the fact that Talos in supposedly out Lived his great grandchildren in one of the books it stated his great great grandson succeeded him when he died that he lived to be over 150 in that amount of time you’d probably be able to not only overthrow the dominion but completely eradicated and bring the entire award to Peace
Easily, if not by right then by Might.
With 2 dragons at his side and the ability to bend civilizations to his will, nothing could stop him.
he should, rising from ranks in Imperial route, or doing Code Geass thingy in Stormcloak route
unless herma-mora keeping him from doing so
he can get a whole lot more than 2 dragons at his side
@@yashkarkhanis5324 I think he meant specifically Odahviing and Durnehviir, the two dragons the Dragonborn specifically knows how to summon in the game. Yes other dragons could likely be cowed by the dragon born using Bend Will, but we know these two dragon specifically for sure willingly serve the Dragonborn as allies, and honestly you done need much more than the two of them. Besides maybe Paarthurnax (who is also an ally of the Dragonborn) they are the two most powerful dragons in existence.
That's what I'm thinking. The Dragon Born comes riding in on a Dragon into the White Gold Tower.....with a couple more Dragons in tow. But even with the Bend Will shout alone would work.
If Paarthurnax will back him he could bring a small army of dragons to the table, and a small army of dragons, led by a particularly powerful Dragonborn, is easily worth at least 1 large army of men and mer.
I stop listening after hearing the phrase “made love to a hill and died in the process”
I had to process this information and the images in my mind that it conjures.
Fugdemuppet is highly skilled in Conjuration magic.
Aka "Fuck it, that is the hill I'm dying on."
A hole's a hole 😩
A good way to go
If your obvilion character becomes sheagorath after the events of the games Bethesda could set up something like this reveling a backstory to the character maby being in distant lineage to the semptims
sheogorath is a concept of mentality physically manifested, no-one can become him, you cannot become a daedra
@@cindin3802 tell that to the shivering isles dlc in oblivion( or was it morrowind whatever)
O shit ur right
Oh but the septim lineage is wiped out
He is definitely not a descendant of talos
I actually tried to overthrow the Empire after finishing the war. I went from hold to hold defeating all of the guards and fighting the Jarl and knocking them down. Got a very high bounty from it
Here's how I see it:
Assume the mantle of Dragonborn, defeat Alduin, unite Skyrim, Claim a hold as a Jarl (one of the ones who you would have defeated during the civil war.), use your status as Dragonborn to sway the opinion of the moot, become high king or queen, don't get assassinated by the Aldmeri Dominion, Allow the dark brotherhood to kill the current Emperor, vie for control of the empire as a Dragonborn Emporer, unite the empire, fight back the Aldmeri Dominion, win.
Or just (If we think about necklaces realistically) wear 5 amulets of Talos and shout your way onto the thrown, the child of Akatosh demands it.
And let’s say your race matters I mean imagine if the dragon born is a High elf and or Orc or Breton he’ll what if they were Argonian how would that play into it
lol Khajiit Emperor ftw.
@@shadekerensky3691 this my subjects is skooma good for soul veeery relaxing
@@thae9455 lmao Then he accidentally brings about an Alfiq heir and the Empire falls into chaos.
The dragonborn becoming emperor makes so much sense. Especially when you take the dark brotherhood questline into acount and consider how much it would make the Thalmore squirm.
Not only squirm, *LITERALLY* they're afraid of him.
They will be pissed that a man is stronger than literally all of them
P
The 'Last' Dragonborn could be the Second Coming of Talos/Tiber Septim
@@WookieGroundZero not just fear. But also jealousy. I mean Tiber Septum was able to ascend to the rank of divine without much issue while the high elves have to work their butts off to get their. So when the last dragonborn shows up. It would make sense they would go to unreal lengths to prevent history from repeating itself. Though as any player of skyrim would know. Killing the last dragonborn is easier said then done. Would probably have an easier time trying to fight one of the Daedric Princes to the death. Or trying to make Sherogorath sane.
The Nerevarine is dragon-born though as we know from the Lost Prophecy:
"From seventh sign of eleventh generation,
Neither Hound nor Guar, nor Seed nor Harrow,
But Dragon-born and far-star-marked,
Outlander Incarnate beneath Red Mountain,
Blessed Guest counters seven curses,
Star-blessed hand wields thrice-cursed blade,
To reap the harvest of the unmourned house."
Ultimately speaking, the idea of dragon-born is divine right to rule, and this can even be seen with the rise of the Nerevarine who had united the tribes and houses of Morrowind as well.
The phrase "dragon-born" in the Nerevarine prophecy likely refers to the fact that they come from a territory ruled by the Septim Empire, whose symbol is that of the dragon. AFAIK, there is nothing in TES III Morrowind that leads us to believe that the PC is Dragonborn (possessing blood and soul of a dragon).
@@astronautical1060 except that the concept of dragonborn isn't developed as much as it is in Skyrim
'But Dragon-born and far-star-marked' - could easily mean marked by the Dragonborn (Uriel Septim) and far star (Azura). Don't forget that in Morrowind you are a prisoner chosen by Uriel to go to Morrowind based on certain signs in the Elder scrolls.
@@Savahkahkim so is morrowind the earliest game that has a “Dragonborn” as a concept you could say?
@@HHLucifer666 No. In Elder Scrolls Adventures Redguard - which takes place during Tiber Septim's life - there's a bit that says this:
"Make no mistake, Talos (now Tiber Septim in resplendant Cyrodilic) is still on the ascendant. I now believe the oracles have been badly misinterpreted - Septim may indeed be the *Dragonborn* as foretold. The Mer must unite at last or be consumed one by one."
if you add to that a "Lady Miraak" mod and the Last Dragonborn marries her, which begins the new lineage of Dragonblooded emperors, then you have exactly what I would imagine happening.
I use the cut content mod where you can save miraak so basically theirs 2 dragonborns at one time
And one dragonborn could be high king and the other the emperor
Lady Miraak sounds fuckin hilarious
"Lucia, if you cannot clean up after your pets, I swear to Talos I will name your brother Blaise as the heir to the Empire of Cyrodil and not you."
*moanfully* "Yes, Papa."
AncientSlugThrower now imagine you have a mod Which let’s you adopt all the kids
@@rokkfel4999 There is a mod that let's you adopt up to 6 kids. I have it and adopted Lucía, Sofie, Alessan, Blaise, Sissel and Brite (after I killed their abusive father hehehe).
Sofie sofie yes papa eating sweetrolls no papa telling lies no papa open you mouth
Dragon shout
I picked the same two children. Coincidence? I think NOT!
Haven't been this early since Martin Septim lit the Dragonfires.
Under rated comment.
Haven't been this early since I first met juib as a prisoner
But septim was last second lighting them? If he was any later Daegon woulda destroyed the city
But like, he didn't light the dragonfires. He destroyed the amulet and become an avatar of akatosh and left behind a kickass statue, but the dragonfires are unlit.
@@Blastanker hello other dragonborn
Simple answer, yes. With how powerful he can become in Skyrim, he could take the throne with shear force. Plus, he's got tons of allied.
Now there's a theory. The Dragonborn is Talos reborn. I'm sure someone put that forward already, but that's an interesting idea
The Dragonborn is more likely an incarnation of Shor than of Talos.
@@MindForgedManacle you got a point there
@@MindForgedManacle Didn’t Talos Mantle Shor and take his place as a Divine?
Wouldn’t us becoming a renowned figure of either Stormcloaks or the Imperial Legion be the Last Dragonborn Mantling Talos?
@@Davidofthelost He took Shor's place in the mythic as the hero-god of humans, he didn't become Shor via mantling. Shor (whether as Shor, Shezarr Lorkhan, Sep and so on) is still a known god. If Talos had mantled Shor himself, no one would know there was a difference between the 2.
The Last Dragonborn hasn't yet done anything Talos did besides being given the title Ysmir, there's no mantling going on for TLD from 1 action alone. Mantling isn't just becoming renowned, you have to become virtually indistinguishable from the being in question in a form of extreme imitation. Otherwise every dragonborne would be Talos, and that definitely isn't true.
But really, we can be more confident TLD is an incarnation of Shor because they can sit in the throne of Shor in Sovngarde. As we saw in Oblivion, it's impossible to sit in a god or Daedra's throne unless you are that being or have mantled that being and become them. As a Shezarrine, TLD of course would face no obstacle sitting in the throne.
@@MindForgedManacle But does mantling require the divine or Daedra to willingly be mantled in the first place? Or can one Mantle them and forcibly take their position and powers to replace them?
As in the Shivering Isles DLC we mantled Sheogorath, but he was looking for someone to Mantle him and release him from the insanity to return to being jyggalag. Even then we see Sheogorath just about the same in Skyrim so was the Champion of Cyrodiil’s mind taken over by Sheogorath’s personality and they are now locked away forced to watch the Mad God doing whatever he feels like as the fart of a fly?
So then by your theory are we being allowed to mantle Shor to restore the worship of a God of Humanity to Tamriel? And would it still be us as the ones who mantled just a new body to host that god?
If the Dragonborn can become Emperor, that means that "Voice of the Emperor" would no longer be a race specific trait.
So Dragonborn is an Imperial.
@@bladey_0_10 no
@@bladey_0_10 No well yes if the player Chooses the Emperial race for the the last dragonborn but in wiki the last dragonborn is a Nord.
@The Boiman How do you know that?
@@bladey_0_10 YOur character is canonically always the generic native character for the province it plays in. Oblivion -> Imperial Morrowind -> Dark Elf
Rather like the idea of our Dragon born reuniting the kingdoms of man against the Thalmor.
Hell yeah
And leading the armies of man using the power of the thu'um
Hell yeah man honestly if they ever make a part 2 to Skyrim I would want that cause like that sounds like one hell of a battle
Rogelio Rivera Imagine a scene from inside of the Thalmor’s main keep. They are pushed back, hiding as they hear a ram batter the door, and then silence...one steps forward, bold enough to think they have given up. Ear pressed up to the door he hears hushed whispers and then Fus....Ro...Dah! As he is sent flying backwards, the gate door torn from its hinges as they both fall still before the remaining thalmor higher ups.
@@hiddendesire3076 fuck yeah
I think the Dragonborn well could become the emperor, and even though I personally think that "The Last Dragonborn" only applies in the context that the world was supposed to end, and that's why he was titled as the last, even if his dynasty didn't inherit the dragon blood, they _would_ inherit the prestige of being descended from a dragonborn, which would legitimise their claim to the throne.
I was thinking, in Akaviri there are some races who respect dragons, it would be realy cool ( and crazy) if the dragonborn could become king of akaviri and king of the dragons
Look what happened to the dragon priests
@@cindin3802 something something rebellion something something deadn’t
Ask uriel septim v how did it go lol
I'm very late for this but the dragons lost the trust of men when the blades went on a dragon crusade. The reason why the dragonborn just can't side with the dragons against alduin
@@cindin3802 yea but the dragon priests didnt know about bendwill shout ;)
"Could the Dragonborn become emperor?"
Who would stop him? If anyone questions him he can just *shout* at them to "shut up"
Lorenz Weber bend will lol
Or get a sudden fit of sneezes that become Marked for Death when put together.
@@HaddaClu yep. He's already gotten the ebony warrior that way, so why shouldn't it work on literally anyone and everyone else?
@Jhonny Auditore Sorry Nerevar, I have the high ground.
Neravine: But I have 100% damage reflection and 1000 blade skill.
The Listener goes full Lelouch.
"The former Emperor, Titus Mede II, no longer lives and I'm the one who took his life. That means, I am the new Emperor!"
All hail Dragonborn
*Elder Council:* _"Just let him be... For fuck's sake, this guy slauthers dragons for fun, can call dozens of mythical and non mythical beings to his aid, and makes legendary weapons and potions out of sheer boredom, we don't need this kind of excitement in our lives..."_
i would prefer siding with the empire and then once i am popular enough and/or if the new emperor is corrupt people of the empire would support me becoming the new emperor and i would take the throne that way
Bend Will is a more OP version of Lelouch's geass
@@Yuki_Ika7 Basically General Tiber Septim ascension to the throne of Cyrodill after Cuhlecains death.. the cycle repeating itself
I don’t know if this has been said already but shooting for High King of Skyrim might be a better tactical choice. Taking over the Empire would be costly and give the Thalmor time to gather strength, however becoming the High King especially if you get it with Imperial backing, opens the option of a stronger united front against the elves
could be easier to over throw Jarl Eliself than Ulfric. Eliself seems like a oblivious puppet ruler. she doesnt even know she has a vampire in her court.
Fudgemuppet: No dynasty wants to be overthrowned.
Titus Mede II in the Dark Brotherhood questline: ''alright I guess you can kill me.''
The last Dragonborn is practically a god. With the ability to speak pretty much anything into existence, and in the real world, there would be no shout cooldowns.
Unless you get a sore throat lol
@@plate_fox I'm sure there's probably a shout to fix that
Mary mother of god, imagine him just ranting in dovra, essentially making his own meteor shout.
@@brandonmiller9155 just pinching his nose after a long day of dealing with idiots,and ranting in Draconic,accidentally nuking the Summerset isles in the process
@Chip You forget that the dragon language has a ridiculous number of words, and that shouts can actually be created, even by mere mortals. E.g. Dragonrend
Ah yes, the three genders: male, female, and cat.
Edit: I was making fun of the beginning of the video, where he says "Why him? Or why her? Or why that specific khajiit?"
and lizard
Gamer 832 And green man
Didn't know "cat" was a gender.
Cat isn't a gender
R/woooosh
Says the dragonborn should be held with high regard
Kids of skyrim: are you here to lick my father's boots
I haven't actually watched the video yet but I always found it comical that the dragonborn could just walk into the Elder Council use the shout Bend Will real quick and suddenly he is the emperor
The Dragon Born would have a more politically advantageous route if he would turn his power against the Thalmor first. Defeating the foe that the empire was never able to and eventually bowed to. This would gather support even within the current Empire.
“I am the Empire.”
Screw the Imperial Empire! I will throw that away and create the Tamerialic Republic! Create a pact across all provinces while cyrodiil will be the center of control like the Elder Council! We need like the Ebonheart Pact! That's the 4th Era needs!
@@IamaDinosaur Thus, creating a weak, ineffectual government.
Not really when comparing Skyrim prior to the Third age then you cant say they benifited from being in the empire.. the exact opposite actually.
Because where are the great warrior kings? Where are the jarls rulling capital sized city? Nowhere.. All you see in these Empire supported jarls that they are incompetent and redicilously corrupt
All of Skyrim is collapsing because of the Empire.. Bureaucracy and politics is not and never has being the nords strongest side
Perhaps a federal tamrielic republic would be more advantageous, similar in structure to the greatest nation of all time, good ole U S of A. Down with the kings, long live the people!
The last time I was this early, Snow Elves still had eyes.
oof
Not all Snow Elves turn into Falmer
Slowly the Falmer are regaining their intellect and may let go of their hatred
Your voice is so steady and relaxing. I love listening to your videos before going to sleep ☺️
Akotosh: makes me dovahkiin
Me: omg thanks so much!
Also me: *worships talos
its not worship,its looking towards goal.
I’ve asked this before but people always told me “Oh the Amulet of Kings is gone therefore there’s no reason for there to be Dragonborn emperors” but that doesn’t really erase the Divine right that the Dragonborn has. In a society like Tamriel, are you really going to overlook the legitimacy of one with the soul of a Dragon and the blessing of the God of the Empire? As far as people are concerned, the Last Dragonborn is the latest heir of Alessia. (Edit: Video made a good point) (Another Edit: I have a feeling people are looking at this through the eyes of modern agnostics. People in Tamriel basically know the Gods are real, they answer prayers, a divine dragon literally saved Tamriel from a God of Destruction. They’re not gonna roll their eyes at the Dragonborn claiming divine right like how we would if a Habsburg claimed divine right for the throne of Austria. Unlike a Habsburg, the Dragonborn literally has divine power that he can display. Plus, I doubt the average peasant will think about the Dragonfires considering even at the start of Oblivion Baurus mentions a common misconception was that the Dragon crown was the symbol of the Empire and the most treasured jewelry of the royal family)
The Dragonborn has no Divine right. That Divine right came in the form of the Dragonfires and the Amulet of Kings.
@Viktor Samoja 1. Considering it was the reign of the late-Septim Emperors which directly resulted in the near-collapse of the Empire, this idea that ''Dragonborn = good ruler'' is rather baseless.
2. There is a new heir to the throne, pretty much confirmed by merely talking to Motierre. There won't be a war of succession.
@Viktor Samoja 1. That is how most people would see it. Titus Mede is the only reason why there's still an Empire to this day.
2. Except that it does. Motierre aims to pull off a Pelagius Septim 2.0 when he kills Mede. After the death of Pelagius, there wasn't a succession war.
@Alika Fifi arafiah That's not how it works.
@Alika Fifi arafiah I'm not sure that he's t"the most succesful dragon born," given that Tiber septim acheived CHIM, and mantled Lorkahn to become a god. He has certainly been successful, but maybe not *that* sucessful, at very least not yet.
That theoretical scenario Fudge suggested at the end from Thalmor point of view:
Thalmor messenger: "Bad News, the Stormcloacks won. Civil war is over."
Leader: "Its fine!"
Messenger: "They have a Dragonborn."
Leader: "He can't take an army!"
Messenger: "They are discussing a union with Hammerfell."
Leader: (reflexively spits out tea) "WHAT!?!"
Messenger: "Also said Dragonborn has the ability to summon storms... Our Navy is actually threatened."
Leader: "... Okay, if we are smart about this we can win."
Messenger: "welllll-"
Leader: "WHAT IS IT NOW!?!"
Messenger: "... they have Dragons."
Leader: "... You know what? I quit!"
Messenger: "Your job?"
Leader: "No. Life. I'm personally going to be asking Auri-El what sick joke this is. Goodbye!" (jumps out of tower)
Your first sentence as Thalmor messenger makes no sense, but okay, whatever rides for you.
@@TheArklyte The Thalmor want to extend the civil war as long as possible to leave the Empire crippled and worn thin.
An end to it would allow 2 civilizations that absolutely hate their guts to recover. Its not the end of the world for the Thalmor if it ends, but could pose issues later on if they recovered enough.
@@hunterotte4085 yes, I know that. That's why they were helping Ulfric and exactly why I said that your sentence makes no sense. So?
@@TheArklyte Because, if Skyrim becomes its own thing, then they don't have to be locked in a war. As otherwise, they are forced do to their deal with the White Gold deal. Now that Skyrim isn't "Their land" anymore, they have no reason to waste resources on a war taking it back.
Sure, it isn't the best outcome for the Empire. But still isn't necessarily the worst either, like "season unending". The biggest thing both sides need is to recover after all. Now that the Thalmor cannot just force a war whenever they please, they have 2 viable enemies now and virtually nothing they can do about it.
And honestly, the Empire should just be focusing on rebuilding itself right now anyways. Rebuilding 2 kingdoms is far harder than rebuilding 1.
@@hunterotte4085
1)that is true for imperial victory, not for Stormcloak one. Legion that was stuck in mountains is still moving in, Ulfric is still a hypocritic manchild that is envious of Dragonborn and throwing a fit over everything and is disliked by majority of population.
2)you have same resources to rebuild same amount of land and damage. But with much less political and economical stability. This isn't HoI4, Skyrim won't suddenly gets its own focus tree and focus meter:\
3)what other nation or culture? Skyrim has the same culture for vast majority of its population as the rest of an Empire. Population that will face "crystal nights" now.
4)Thalmor win here. They still retain the casus belli Ulfric gave them, but you have weakened Empire even more.
All in all, good job. Just don't dabble into politics irl, please.
P.S.: the only person deserving of being a High King is Baalgruf, the only Jarl that cared to combat Alduin and dragon threat instead of petty struggles for power. Ulfric deserves only to be shanked in dark alley by Madanah.
you guys are so good...so well researched, and so well put. Every video. Always.
The first Emperor, Talos was a dragonborn, and the PC of skyrim is the first dragonborn hundreds of years, so it makes sense that you should be able to crown yourself as High King and it always annoyed me that the game gives no option to do this, unless you count mods.
Honestly, the game mirrors so much the rise of talos that not becoming something like that is a waste.
At least joining the oversoul of talos should be done.
Wait what? How does the last Dragonborn mirror Talos at all?
@@Priceluked because talos rose to power during a time that skyrim was in civil war. with talos being a trusted general of the jarl of falkreach or whatever hold it was.
@@Priceluked He also has gone to high Hrothgar, was called Ysmir, etc.
@@madness8897 1. Tiber Septim came from Alcaire, in High Rock.
2. Skyrim was not in Civil War.
3. Tiber Septim came to fight for a King who sought to become Emperor.
@@dutchpatriot17 1. i never stated tiber septim came from skyrim i said he was in skyrim
2. skyrim was in civil war cause it was in a war between holds, else what ulfric is doing wouldnt be a civil war.
3. how does that dispute that he was not a general of king /jarl from who i remember died with tiber septim taking the throne.
He can damn well take over the empire by himself lmaoo
Ever tried beating thousands of imperial soldiers in skyrim?
vatsku realyTM yeah but that’s just because he’s limited by mechanics. Like fusrahdah isn’t as powerful as ulfrics who can pretty much 1shot you even though canonically yours is much stronger.
@@veetivatka2569 At max level of 81 it's pretty damn easy.
Rylon Harmon and when you convert your skills to legendary and level infinitely, it’s child’s play. I was able to level my Dragonborn’s level to 125 before using the alchemy glitch to go up to 175. By then, the setting had to be on legendary for anything to be a remote challenge.
@@veetivatka2569 use the storm call shout
Conceptually the easiest way to become Emperor is to get adopted by Titus Mede II. (Possibly General Tullius might play a role in arranging this.) This make you heir to the throne and can help you get the armies you need to conquer some of the provinces that aren't part of the Empire.
holy moly your quiet compared to other youtubers - actually had to turn my volume up instead of down like always
The phrasing "the Last of X" is *very* common for protagonists in fantasy, and it *very* often means "the last remaining one at their specific point in time" - who then restarts the tradition. Eragon is "the last Dragon Rider", Aang is "the last airbender" (although his world had to wait for his son to actually restart that tradition), and so on. The prophecy might easily refer to "the Last Dragonborn" in a similar sense.
That's a good point but in the video it is mentioned that without the amulet of kings and with no pact with akatosh to keep then there is no reason for a dragonborn line of emperors since the end of the third Era. The protagonist of skyrim was made dragonborn by akatosh only because of the events of the game, not because he should be emperor. If akatosh wanted a dragonborn emperor he would have given the mede emperorsdragon blood as we know its not actually required to have a blood relation to alessia.
@@moretestmorebreast7654, I agree. The need for a Dragonborn seems to be linked to times of crises in Tamriel. There is no further need for a Dragonborn emperor, but Akatosh bestows the gift of dovah sos and dovah sul upon you, the player character, because you are needed to confront Alduin. If you fail, you are indeed the *last* Dragonborn. But who is to say that at some point in the future, another Dragonborn might not be needed to confront a new crisis facing Tamriel?
@@ldcraig2006 maybe our grandchildren will be alive to see
To me. I interpret it quite literally. He is last in the cycle. A being through some miracle will achieve CHIM.
@@fenrisvermundr2516 Didn't Tiber Septim already achieve CHIM?
Currently hearing this while my dragon born is sitting on the Ruby throne in the White Gold Tower. It's possible...... With mods 🤣
true
Which one?
@@candlequeen4002 Rigmor of Cyrodiil, its not for everyone but the final is satisfying (play through Rigmor of Bruma first so you can understand the story better Warning: Breaks the lore constantly and very brutally)
@@jorgeneves7969 Thx!
But MY dragon BOrn IS sittion On Throne OF HIgh REAch And HE is HIghking of SKyrim And Whoever HE want CAn send to jail,PUblic EXecution And CHange And make anyone JArl And LOts
Mod-HIghking Of skyrim VErsion 2
I mean given what previous Dragonborn were able to achieve, I am betting on them conquering the entirety of Nirn.
Years ago I was planning on writing some different stories - fanfic I guess - about what would happen after.
The Stormcloak version was set years after the final DLC: the Dragonborn the head of the rebuilt Blades (using bend will on Delphine because of differences of opinion on a certain dragon) and his own personal Dragon Guard and an army of dragons with Odahviing at his lieutenant. The Dragonborn would have been the power behind Ulfric's throne while trying plotting with Serana and others to evade the machinations of Hermaeus Mora as he was plagued by dreams of Miraak's end and Apocrypha.
Ulfric leads armies armies into Hammerfell to aid the Redguard against a new Aldmeri invasion in return for adding Dragonstar to Skyrim. Morrowind would be established as an ally from the Dragonborn's efforts in Solstheim and High Rock would have become independent kingdoms soon after the Empire lost the Civil War (but Cyrodiil would remain independent as a buffer state between the Aldmeri Dominions and the Empire of Skyrim).
The story would have seen Ulfric descend into paranoia and betray the Dragonborn while the Dragonborn defeats the Thalmor in Hammerfell, then burns all of Alinor in dragon fire effectively destroying the Dominion and leaving their armies leaderless.
In light of Ulfric's betrayal, the Dragonborn, and his armies, and allies would switch to Cyrodiil, which would then intervene in Valenwood to help Bosmer factions opposed to the Thalmor. The Dragonborn would be accepted as emperor of a new empire of Tamriel with the help of an enterprising group within the Elder Council and he would arrive in the Imperial City on the back of a dragon accompanied by more. With his family safely in the Imperial City (his spouse and adopted and biological children) the dragonborn would fly to Windhelm one final time to kill Ulfric in an anti-climactic one-sided duel and bring Skyrim back into the Empire, just before Hermaeus Mora returned to claim him. The dragonborn would sacrifice himself rather than befall the same fate as Miraak.
With Ulfric dead, Alinor in ruins, armies of Thalmor in disarray in Valenwood and Black Marsh a mysterious threat, there would be lots of threats to come, but the Tamrielic Empire would be strong under the successors to the so-called Last Dragonborn with a the majority of dragons under their command. It would end with Serana seemingly talking to herself as she rode off, implying that she and the Dragonborn had evaded Hermaeus Mora.
The Imperial side would have had a quicker route to the throne. Fantasy? Yes, but this or something like it would have been my idea of a perfect end to the Dragonborn story. If you want to steal any of these ideas for mods then go for it!
Short answer: Yes
Long answer: Yes, because people still remember the Septim dyntasty and how the Empire flourished during that time and would want a return to that. Plus, considering it'll most likely be canon that Titus Mede II got a new external wind-pipe carved into his throat by the Dark Brotherhood, the Empire is going to need a new ruler.
Short answer : No.
Long answer : No, because Septim Dynasty was over a long time ago, only in Skyrim who still remember Septim Dynasty because Nords worships Tiber Septim, not the Dragonborn. And also, an Imperial Dragonborn join the Dark Brotherhood is very very unlikely. Firstly, why would Dovahkiin try to kill Titus Mede II ? He has no intention to kill the guy except one, he's a Stormcloaks and two, for money and the Dark Brotherhood glory. Assuming he's an Imperial soldier, he would cripple the Empire even more since the Empire lost it's ruler and he can't be the next emperor unless he start a coup d'etat, do you know how Monarchy works ? They aren't going to put him on the throne just because they lost an emperor and you're a Dragonborn. The Dragonborn Empire was over, period.
Unless the Mede Dynasty is dead like Septim Dynasty, then he might get a chance to be the new emperor (still very unlikely), or he start a coup d'etat. Even then, do you really think the Thalmors would let that happen ? They must have saw how powerful the Last Dragonborn really was. They might even finish the job before he finish his coup d'etat or even starting it.
And don't even get started about "What about Stormcloaks Dragonborn ?" Hahaha, do you really think the Stormcloaks could defeat the Empire without the Dragonborn and the Thalmors intervention ? The reason why the Empire has troubled with the Stormcloaks was because of the Thalmors supported them in the shadow, giving them equipments, war funds etc. The longer it take to stop the Stormcloaks, the more Thalmors gain.
If Dovahkiin side with the Stormcloaks, the Empire would be in critical state (as if it's already) and Ulfric Stormcloaks will be the High King of Skyrim. If Ulfric want to advance to Cyrodiil and other parts of Tamriel, they're going to the real war with the Empire and the Thalmors. And also, no other races will join the Stormcloaks, hell, they're not going to accept any unless they're Nord. Other races except the Khajiits might join the Empire but not the Stormcloaks. So basically, if somehow the Stormcloaks has become the new empire, Ulfric will become it's first emperor, no chance for Dovahkiin, LOL.
In conclusion, NO. The Last Dragonborn can't be an emperor, period.
Ohh LanLa
This Is Literally the dumbest reasoning i’ve ever actually heard.
What in the Actual Fuck Do The Stormcloaks have to do With the Septim Dynasty?
The Dragonborn Is A person with the soul of a dragon, dragons come from Akatosh, and many Dragons refer to Akatosh as ‘Father’.
The Dragonborn Himself is a A Divine being, albeit Demigod or full blown God, he is Divine.
The Mede Dynasty Is highly unpopular in the Empire, nobody likes them for fucking shit, Titus just got his ass kicked and called it a victory in the Great War.
The Septim Dynasty Was Highly Successful, they were popular, No Imperial would everr forget the Dragonblood Emperors, they literally brought the Glory Days.
The Dragonborn Has A Divine Right To Rule, And That Outweighs Ulfric and Elisif’s Claims For The Throne.
In The World Of The Elder Scrolls, religion is not about Faith, It’s An Actual Thing, the Gods and Daedra are real, and they can unleash real blessings or curses that can change the tide of Tamriel and Nirn entirely.
Ulfric Has no chance against the Dragonborn even if he Killed Torygg fairly or not.
Elisif would have to let go her race for Skyrim’s throne, and Leave Torygg as a memory, Because If The Claim Of The Dragonborn Is Divine, then it’s the strongest claim ever, No Sentient Being, could refuse the Gods Themselves.
The Dragonborn Could Become High King Of Skyrim.
And Seeing As He Saved The World, Thrice i might add, he’s the leader of every guild. The People Of Skyrim Would See him as A Powerful Warrior King, Talos Reincarnate.
Talos Is One Of The Most revered gods by the Nords. And If They Find The Dragonborn worthy, then his claim would be immensely strong.
If The Dragonborn was to go for the Ruby Throne,
He’d Have The Support Of Skyrim instantly.
And If He Succeeds, The Dragonborn can name anyone he wants as High King or Queen of Skyrim.
And The People will accept that without hesitation.
Finally, Should The Dragonborn Become The New Dragonblood Emperor.
He Would Have Massive Support From The People Of Cyrodiil and Skyrim, which in turn could influence Hammerfell to rejoin the Empire.
Why?
Because The Dragonborn Has Proven to be An Extraordinary Hero, Those Dragons that choose not to follow the way of the voice, Can Choose to Serve the Dragonborn and unleash their desire to dominate over the Elves.
Effectively Bending The Dragons to his will.
Slowly but surley, Provinces like Morrowind or Black Marsh could potentially rejoin the Empire, Out of Fear of the new power, or they want in on the Hype.
As A New Dragonborn Emperor, The Last Dragonborn would remind Tamriel and It’s provinces of tbe Glory days of the Empire, A Strong Ruler and a Strong Empire, the people would be so Hyped up to fight.
The Nords would literally revere him as Talos reincarnated.
The Last Dragonborn Becoming Emperor=
New God Emperor Of The Tamrielic Empire and the Fall of The Aldmeri Domninion and The Thalmor, Watch the fuck out Akavir ur next.
Headass Hitlerous Ugh, you want me to go thru your wall of text, no, disgusting. Next time put a “TL:DR” alright ? Sum it up at the end if it’s too long or keep it short.
Ohh LanLa Oh sorry, did i piss someone off?
the bend will shout alone makes him capable of claiming it. he literally doesn't even need an army or a claim, he could literally just walk into the white gold tower tell every there he's the emperor, then politely tell the thalmor to shove it where the sun don't shine and there's literally nothing any one could do to stop him
16:52 or just secretly become a vampire or figure out how Mirrak lived for so long.
Become the eternal Dragonborn Emperor of all of Tamerial.
I think it's possible for more dragonborns, considering that you can't devour Alduin's soul, so it could be possible for him(Alduin) to come back. So you would think a dragonborn would come to exist again, Or at least I would think so.
If he took the throne he would still be the "last dragon born" of the 4th era, because all future ones would be 5th era due to the beginning of a new dynasty.
Eras are too short these days. 1E was 2920, 2E was 896, 3E was 433 and according to you 4E would be around 201 years short.
@@leysont 7E 5 years
@@jacktom3799 10E kids will be very confused to hear that back in the day people only got one era old.
@@leysont 12E kids wait you guys are getting years
pop
So while the protagonist of Skyrim is called the “last Dragonborn” by prophecy. In Skyrim you learn that it is also part of prophecy and nature for alduin to eat the world and by you defeating him you have broken the prophecies and upset the natural order by preserving your Kalpa. Due to this there could very well be future Dragonborn as anything past the events of Skyrim is not supposed to happen in the first place.
No, the entire premise of Skyrim is that Alduin has come too early. Alduin is destined to end the world in the future so by sending him through time you are in fact upholding the natural order of things.
Someone hasn’t seen 2014 thanos coming to 2020 to end the world yet
“Prophecy…tells what MAY be, not what SHOULD be.”
alduin hasn’t been good with time give him a break he was literally sent to the future
@@abitcattywampus wasn't Alduin supposed to end time in the Merethic Era? But he just kinda went off and did his own thing? Then got sent to the future, and got defeated?
I thought about this concept during my first play through. Would be great to repel the Dominion back to Summerset Isle.
Given that the last DB is the most powerful mortal to ever walk Tamriel, it's probably a given that if they wanted to claim the empire, they could, and their dragon blood gives them an inherent desire to.
The last Dragonborn becoming the Emperor, maybe this was the reason why the current Emperor had been chosen for Assassination through the Dark Brotherhood. After all signing that peace treaty would have gained him a lot of enemies and a new Dragonborn showing up perhaps gave them a reason and an opportunity to get rid of the Emperor.
also the event of the dark brotherhood questline can happen before people realise
@Emperor Louis The Retard so Mede told Mortierre(sp) to perform the Black Sacrement?
@@royalty843 no
@@slimretro2659 how else would Titus stage his assassination
@@royalty843 I don't know really, but Im guessing the theory is that Titus mede II upset his elder counsel on purpose so they plan to kill him cuz he thinks he's an incompetent ruler and wants to be replaced.
If the courts of medieval times are anything to go by there's a single recently widowed Jarl in Solitude that could help the Dragonborn in a political sense via a marraige. I doubt Ulfric's supporters could kick up a fuss with their limited numbers if you followed the Empire route. And you would be Ulfric's champion in the stormcloak route and as stated in the vid the Dragonborn would be pretty much Talos reborn in Ulfric's eyes. You get support from Ulfric and Elisif and you pretty much are the ruler of Skyrim. I doubt Sybille Stentor would even try to mess with the Dragonborn and her skill in manipulation could come in handy. The Dragonborn's offspring have dragonborn blood and noble blood from Elisif so the dynasty will have very strong claims in future. It 'sa lot easeir for the other provinces to follow a landed ruler claiming to be emperor with dominion over a province vs escaped convict hero. Being a Hero doesn't mean you can be an effective ruler TL;DR too much Crusader Kings 2 strats
Good point!
Well, he did spend most of the video explaining how being Dragonborn isn't necessarily hereditary or genetic, but a marriage to Elisif would definitely be beneficial either way
Sybille Stentor would be too busy napping if the Dragonborn defeats Potema the Wolf Queen.
@nathan smith She is still Jarl of Solitude even if you side with the Stormcloaks, and she relied heavily on the Empire and had many contacts with them and others around them that could prove useful, and if you side with the Empire and try to become high king that way she ends up as high queen of Skyrim, that's a fair amount of power to marry into if like in scenario you're literally starting from being an escaped convict.
I cannot disagree with that idea.
I believe in the Stormcloaks but not necessarily Ulfric.
I think that the last dragonborn would shift the balance of power dramatically by becoming the emperor. The bend will shout is in my opinion one of the largest factors in this. Just imagine this. A great war 2 scenario, but with dragons fighting on the side of the empire. It would be huge in all aspects. Imagine that you are an imperial soldier, fighting through the ranks of the thalmor. Suddenly, there's a roar from high up in the air, and a (or multiple) dragons fly over your head, breathing fire and frost down on the Thalmor. This would depend on when this second great war plays out obviously, the dragonborn isn't immortal.
"He made love to a hill"
Excuse me wtf?
What none of you factored in is that Kynareth doesn't like when her blessing bestowed on men, the dragon tongue, is misused for conquering. She gave this power to the nords to defend their home, and she took it away when they used it to conquer. The same even happened to Tiber Septim, when his throat was slit by an assassin, making hum unable to shout. But in the dragonborn case, taking back imperial land from the thalmor could be interpreted as defending not conquering. Either way, dragonborn would be the most interesting emperor for tes6.
But according to the Greybeards, their gift was given by Akatosh, thus making the conquering issue void.
Also the whole "dragonborn emperor" thing was a pact Akatosh made with Alessia. A pact that Martin Septim broke and replaced at the end of the 3rd Era.
@@johnmooney5829 it was first gifted by kynareth, it can be bestowed upon by akatosh too since he's the chief deity since like, forever.
Ahzidag just don’t use your shouts when conquering the empire, just use your other skills.
@@theboy1625 your shout is more powerful than most of your abilities tho, it significantly decreases the chance of winning.
A dragonborn emperor.
High King Balgruuf.
Perfection.
That'd be the first decree id make if i was the LDB emperor.
You mean high king ballin? *queue jarl ballin*
And having serana as our wife lol
No high king rolof
Agreed. Balgruuf is head and shoulders above the other jarls as a leader and governor. He deserves to be High King by merit.
I have a theory that the heretical passing of the dragonborn powers is directly linked with the amulet of kings. As each founded of thier respective dynasties made a pact with akatosh, he granted them the amulet of kings. With this they put thier own power or blood in the amulet making the lineage. So maybe the last dragonborn could make a pact and become the last dynasty.
Technically the Dragonborn saves Skyrim, and makes it to Sovengard to kill Alduin. And gets both sides/factions to get along somewhat for the first time in forever. Dragonborn should be High King of Skyrim or Emperor
In my headcanon my dragonborn is an imperial, who descends from a secret bastard child between Martin Septim and the Hero of Kvatch, who was an Imperial woman (since those are the gender and race I played as in oblivion).
The Masked Bard
I know that’s your headcanon but your Dragonborn won’t even live to see dragons return
@@nunuhermansyah7562 I don't see why that would be the case, honestly.
The Masked Bard
Oblivion takes place 200 years before Skyrim and humans don’t live very long
@@nunuhermansyah7562 I said that the dragonborn would be a descendant of their child, so it doesn't really matter how much time passes between oblivion and Skyrim
oh shoot never mind you win
I’ve always considered that “the last Dragonborn” means that he is the most recent one. Like, did you watch the last Star Wars movie?
Last means either the last ever dragonborn or last dragonborn bloodline. It does not mean latest.
Distortion Reaper There’s also the possibility that the Last Dragonborn will simply be the last to die, not the last to be born or even have the last Dragonborn bloodline
He's probably is the *last* dragonborn because the next time alduin comes knocking he's probably going to have the support of akatosh
I understand what you mean by last for example Martin Septim is technically the last dragon born during Oblivion till Skyrim where you come to exist than you are the last dragon born it's not like the title first dragon born because your the first no one can take that from you as long it is remembered you hold the title. But I guess the problem is the prophecy saying last dragon born, but than again the divides could just say fuck it and make another dragon born 😂
Its funny cause that *was* the last star wars movie
I'm okay with the dragonborn overthrowing them as long as serana is his queen
Let's just put a vampire as high queen of skyrim, i'm sure the nords would love that
@@cindin3802 they have no choice but to love that
“The last Dragonborn” could be taken to mean the last line of Dragonborns potentially. Or at least the Skyrim protagonist could spin it that way to strengthen his claim to the throne.
What if the septim that was lost in akavir comes back and reclaims the imperial throne
That would be interesting.
That was one of the story ideas Bethesda tossed around for skyrim. At some point in it's development
@JustSomeGuyOnTheNet Not as badass as Stannis, though.
@JustSomeGuyOnTheNet ...or I'll shoot an arrow at it"*
Hope he does
We need a Dragonborn Emperor series that discusses potential dragonborn emperors of every race
Lasyltherni the canonical race and gender are the defaults. For Skyrim it’s a male nord. Likely he’ll be given a cyrodiilic name if takes the Throne.
@@gabrielm.942 Or he'll just be called the Dragonborn Emperor by everyone in game, and his race and gender will be left unknown.
Rylon Harmon the histories were lost but it is know they were a powerful warrior a unmatched mage and blah blah blah semi generic stuff
Skooma cat wasn't sure where the dragons came from but from within the sweet dreams of the drugs he was pretty sure they weren't actually real, after all all he had to do was yell at them and they would fly to pieces. Also he woke up wearing archmage robes in the college and isn't quite sure how he got there so he sneaks out before somebody gets mad at him.
Oh my god, the Dragonborn won’t become emperor of tamriel
One of my own ideas was for the Dragonborn to become High King (or Queen), thus eliminating one major contributing factor of the civil war- Ulfric’s claim of leadership.
As long as the Dragonborn doesn’t utter a word for or against Talos, sticks to being blessed by Akatosh, there should be little the Thalmor can publicly decry.
And it means the Dragonborn doesn’t technically have to pick a side in the civil war. Depending on reputation, what is public approval among the Stormcloaks regarding the LD, usurping Ulfric is a high-risk/high-reward.
Then in my personal headcanon, the LD might be pissed off at Ulfric for contributing to Alduin’s return- “When the Snow Tower lies sundered, kingless, bleeding”. If LD could’ve gone back in time and bitch-slapped everyone else who made the prophecy come true, they would’ve done it happily.
My canon scenario would be after beating Alduin and the rest in the DLC, Ulfric grows a brain cell and remembers that the Empire he knew and loved had a Dragonborn Emperor. This could spur him to call a truce with Tullius and he would begrudgingly accept as Titus Mede was recently killed( Seeing as Guild Questlines would be canon whether or not you join the brotherhood). Next would be talking to the Dragonborn. Note that if you join the Dark Brotherhood, the Emperor says that he senses a certain "ambition" from you. This would show that the Dragonborn may also be interested in the throne if he's spurred on. The Dragonborn would accept Ulfirc's proposal as he also knows the Thalmor will go after him sooner or later ( Note that in the quest "Season Unending" Elenwen threatens you as she knows you were the one that broke in). They go to Tullius about this and he accepts as not only would that unify Skyrim, but also give the Empire hope that at last a new Dragonborn Emperor has risen. And seeing that Mede is dead, his oath doesn't mean anything anymore. They march off into Cyrodiil just as the infighting starts growing tense and the Dragonborn would either shout them to submission or challenge them in combat for the right to inherit the throne. (My head canon here is the Dragonborn arriving on a Dragon alongside Paarthurnax and co. with the Blades in tow after being convinced by the Dragonborn or got shouted into submission.) This scares the others and they would most likely be killed or others lay down after maybe seeing hope. The Dragonborn takes the throne and begins plans on taking back Hammerfell and Morrowind and he starts looking at the direction of the Summerset Isles looking hungry.
The Thalmor would be: 👀
I doubt that the LDB is really the "last" Dragonborn. Alduin isn't truly defeated and could potentially come back, so the need for a new Dragonborn may arise.
In-game they theorize that Alduin isn’t truly dead so he can come back to fulfill his purpose as the world eater. Whether that’s true or not is up for debate but I think it makes sense
Didn’t the LDB consume Alduin’s soul?
@@thespellchecker9123 No, the LDB can talk Paarthurnax and Arngeir and there is a dialogue that starts by the player admitting they didn't absorb Alduins soul. It is actually impossible to absorb Alduins soul even by lore standards he was the "first born" of Akatosh he has a purpose given to him by Akatosh and thus the LDB is not meant to permanently stop Alduin.
Then the Godhead would be stuck in a comatose state if he really did kill Alduin.
No, He *will* come back
The Dark Brotherhood quest-line would fit in completely with The Dragonborn becoming emperor of the classic Empire, or starting a new one, due to the death of the current emperor by your hands. Not only as The Dragonborn does he/she have the prestige seen in the public eye, but also the shadow influence of the Thieves' Guild and The Dark Brotherhood to support his/her ascent to power. As the game is written, by siding with The Stormcloaks, defeating The Empire, weakening The Dominion and depriving them of access to The College of Winterhold, being the chosen champion of all of the Daedra, and an agent of The Divines who restored their pantheon to it's full glory of the nine, The Dragonborn was written to become a Demigod Emperor with the backing of man and god alike, free to forge a new empire, or conquer the existing one.
i would still join the empire after the dark brotherhood questline, i just need to keep the fact that i killed that totally not a body double for the emperor or real emperor but already has an heir chosen and Victoria Vicci under lock and key, i already have a sort of "rightful authority" to rule from being a dragonborn
I'm glad you mentioned the absence of the Amulet of Kings and the Dragon Fires, because that was my first thought on seeing the video's title.
I was also interested in the subject, because as I played it was with the thought that my character was going to be the next Emperor.
So while there's no longer any "right" to the throne simply by dint of being dragonborn, the Last Dragonborn has as much "right" to the throne as the Medes, which is simply if they can take the throne, they can become Emperor.
Im in the middle of building my build for my next playthrough as the founder of the new empire and that helped me a ton thx :p
“Could the Dragonborn become Emperor?”
Yes. The answer is definitively yes.
Why?
Who the @#$& is going to stop them?
I mean just being the Dragonborn means they’re a borderline god by the end of the game, but they could also have the backing of the Mages guild, Theives guild, Dark Brotherhood and the Imperials or Stormcloaks. With that backing the Dragonborn could take Skyrim whenever they wanted with ease and from there who in Nirn could stop them? They could just Jabberwock the Empire into submission if they wanted.
No, just no, man.
I mean,unless the gods intervene,or any of the other possible demi-god characters come by,like the hero of Kvatch(?) And the guy you play as in Morrowwind
@@lordofshades9852 Hero of Kvatch ain't demi-god, dude. He's a Daedric Prince of Madness. And the Last Dragonborn is basically a demi god, at this point. He's the most strongest Dragonborn has ever lived, second is Miraak.
@@someguyonyt2831 so.....a god then?
Lord of Shades Well, yes and no. Yes, Daedric Princes are stronger than Aedras. And no, they aren’t god, they’re evil.
I don't know why Bethesda doesn't give players that “Rags to Riches” Story Archetype. For some who is Destined to Take on such Suicidal and Perilous Tasks, surely the Player would be Rewarded by becoming an Emperor or a High Ranking Politician with Power, and even adding in a Secondary Storyline where the Player can do those Sorts of Quests, regarding their Rule or Political Standing. Not to mention that the Player can Order Soldiers, Servants, etc to complete Tasks or Quests or the Player can do those themselves.
I don't think that Players feel Fulfilled because they are not Rewarded Properly. The Player just feels like a Pawn, just to be Used or Sacrificed by NPCs and they don't even get the Recognition that they Deserve.
Yeah literally all you can do in Skyrim is become leaders of random guilds and become a low ranking general you’d think that someone that leads all these guilds, runs the college of winterhold as Archmage, being the thane of every hold in Skyrim, and literally won the civil war for either side would be much more powerful politically. Even with saving the world running every guild, running the college, being a high ranking officer or general, you can’t even be in charge of a small village; and that doesn’t include the doesens of times you’ve saved the world from anything from vampire overlords to a dragon unkillable in the mortal realm who is literally called, “THE WORLD EATER” You’d expect being that powerful would give you the right to at the very least become a Jarl of a hold especially after single handedly winning the civil war. You’d also expect that the Thalmor would attempt to recruit, kidnap or assassinate you seeing how much a threat you are to them.
That wouldn't make any sense, nobody would just be crowned emperor because they were brave and saved many lives, this isnt a fucking fairy tale, political positions arent just given away cause youre strong, you have to have to be a bit smart
"Lets make this imcompent guy who knows nothing about ruling an empire emperor because hes strong"
Not even greek heroes in mythology get rewarded most of the time
two words: "lazy writing". Okay, to be fair, marketing and management pushing the devs to burp out the game at an arbitrary date rather than when it was finished was why the story has so many missing elements, cut content, and poorly-closed story arcs, but in the end it boils down to someone somewhere choosing to throw quality out the window for one shortsighted reason or another. Or, as a lot of the modding community puts it, Bethesda throws out a half-finished game and then modding tools so we can do their job for them :P
@@dongenove3048 ?????
@Phillip II of France i guess , but my point still stands, if you want to have a more logical world the dragonborn shouldnt become king or emperor.
Him not getting rewarded anything other than a "thank you" is quite dumb however. Give me something, a castle with servants, money, anything.
Notice how every time a none Dragonborn sits on the ruby throne, the empire crumbles. Varon Acualarius took the throne from the remans and soon after the empire completely collapsed and Cyrodiil was in chaos and the rest of Tamriel is at war. With the Medes the empire is slowly falling apart, provinces are succeeding one by one, and a newer and more evil power has risen (the aldmeri dominion) and has more influence in Tamriel than the empire now, perhaps this is a sign that the ruby throne is meant to seat a Dragonborn ruler, that an empire seated out of Cyrodiil can only exist with a Dragonborn as its leader. A Dragonborn emperor could very well save the empire and the human races of Tamriel from the threat of the thalmor. Seeing a Dragonborn become emperor would surly terrify the thalmor as they know that is when the empire is at its strongest.
I think that the Kingsmoot would be pretty inclined to vote for the Last Dragonborn as new High King of Skyrim, or maybe Titus Mede II didn't have any direct heirs and so theres now a bit of a power vacuum in the Empire. I could see the Last Dragonborn maybe becoming Emperor by marrying a high-ranking Mede and so they might still carry the Mede name if the Last Dragonborn doesn't have a last name or has hidden it due to their past before the events of Skyrim
Ah yes, Emperor Succme69.
😂
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I feel like it would be Ulfric’s dream come true.
His wet dream
@@theboy1625 Exactly!
Too bad he’s a traitor, he would have made a good general to the legion.
Not if im a high elf!
Me, as an immortal Dovahkiin when FudgeMuppet starts talking about the Dragonborn needing to work with a mortal number of years. XD
probably, most factions give us leadership roles very easily but I guess it depends on the character you roleplay as and even then, being an emperor is very hard. I always saw the dragonborn as someone who should the advisor/problem solver type of position, like Darth Vader or the sheriff from vampire the masquerade: bloodlines. noone even lets you make decisions a leader would make, they always call upon you to solve problems. need anything killed? call the dragonborn. need anything recovered, stolen, delivered or collected? the dragonborn can handle it. need someone rescued, protected or escorted? well as long as they have a pulse the dragonborn can pull that off with ease. actually scratch that, Serana doesn't even have a pulse and we still managed to pull her out of that crypt.
Last time I was this early, Miraak was still on Nirn.
M'aiq was once dragonborn blessed by the dragon god cat of time that one was
Last time I was this early I was still an Aldmer rather than an Altmer
Last time I was this early the lillmolthiit existed
last time I was this early I was cracking open a cold one with Sithis
@@Enfernex I like to think they made a daedric deal to escape the elves, much like Miraak bitched out with the help of Ol' Herma Mora, because I really want the fox-folk to come back at some point. I'd like to hear what they have to say.