Woke Journalism Is The Death of Civilization - Batya Ungar-Sargon | heretics. 57
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- čas přidán 21. 07. 2024
- Batya Ungar-Sargon is a the opinion editor of Newsweek and the author of Bad News: How Woke Media Is Undermining Democracy and a quite wonderful speaker and journalist. She talks about how journalists are too comfortable with authority, as they all come from the big universities now.
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Chapters:
0:00 Batya Ungar-Sargon Highlights
0:45 The HUGE Change In Media
4:30 These People the Most OVER-EDUCATED in the World
8:25 Insidious Lefties
9:45 Racist to Have a Border!?
11:10 Kelly Osborne, toilets & shouting at Andrew
15:15 This Was All Intentional
16:45 The Billionaire Class
18:45 Brexit
20:45 The Democrats Are Rich
22:45 Columbia Uni Protests (Oppression Envy)
26:45 Europe vs States on Jews
29:45 What if Andrew Were Attacked
31:45 The Status Game
34:15 Feminizing Men
36:45 Protestors Compared to Dr. King
37:45 Benedict Cumberbatch’s ‘Colored’ Mistake
39:45 Andrew’s Dad & Poshness
42:45 Mao’s Struggle Sessions
44:45 I Do Declare Accents
47:15 A Heretic Batya Admires
Do you agree that journalists are the most over educated people? Let me know below, and hit like!
I think most higher degrees just teach people jargon, not ideas or how to think and analyze, or give them a working knowledge of history or problem solving, but entirely focused on how to sound smart. Their sole purpose is to create a language barrier that prohibits people from questioning one's value to a job or society. Sounding smart and putting yourself beyond reproach seems to be the goal. In a age of propagandistic journalism, jargonism seems to fit right in with the principles of higher ed - baffle them with bullshit and goad them with emotional appeals and manipulation. Look no further than the people with higher degrees in the sciences who sounded 'smart' even as they didn't even know what science was (a process not a result) or could tell the difference between 'good' science and 'bad' science during covid. Same people think democracy is a result one deems good, not a process of the majority rules. They have higher degrees but don't understand basic word meanings - that's jargonism.
You might be posh but you're not pompous 👍
Interesting the point about denigration of menial work. I think one of the most denigrated is the "home maker" - no wage and yet probably the most important job of all to raise children.
Yes. And some of the people I know with the highest education are some of the stupidest, most narrow-minded people I've ever talked to. It really is just a status thing. Frustrating.
They also think anyone without a college education is stupid. Which is blatantly untrue.
My mom is a maid, and she takes a lot of pride in her work. She loves leaving homes looking sparkling clean, and people vie to get her to take them on as clients. She used to work in an office job, and she prefers this. She says she likes getting the house looking exactly as she wants, and then she gets to leave and doesn't have to see it turn back into a mess (unlike cleaning your own house). She also makes good money. People can definitely find dignity in these kinds of jobs.
That's peasant work.
I'm gonna be an Influencer.
The fact that people consider Functional jobs like hers as Menial illustrates the idiocy and wannabeeism of everyone locked into the status game.
Absolutely. Many people in my country can make good money from being a maid, or cleaner. It’s an important job!
The best boss I ever had (they were at the very top of the organisation) walked home from their office with a litter picker and a bag cleaning litter from the grounds as they went. They set the tone for the organisation that NOBODY was above any job there and keeping the place clean and in beautiful condition was important.
@@Amazology Menial just means using your hands, like manual. It's been turned into an insult.
I don't think I've ever seen quite this kind of chemistry. The interview went by so quickly. Please get her back on in the future.
Yes PLEASE!
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I just made a very similar comment. I think they’d make a great couple.
They are so funny together, I was cracking up the whole time. Very complementary personalities. They should have some kind of podcast of their own talking about whatever lol
LOVE HER! WE ALL NEED MORE Batya
We sure do!
We need a Batya in Canada.
May I ask what your political leanings might be? I only ask because Batya seems to have found a lot of support in conservative circles. I think she speaks to a lot of the working class concerns that have been taken up by the right and abandoned by the left. The reason I find this dynamic especially interesting is because Batya is a self-described Marxist. Can't say I ever saw that crossover happening. Interesting times for sure.
@@gammasmash1924 - I don’t believe that one iota.
@@gammasmash1924 I think she's getting ahead of the curve, that's all. Does this woman look like a marxist to you? She's a poster child of the utmost white-collar liberal PMC privilege and status-seeking. And a driven careerist opportunist who fancies that she knows which way the wind's gonna start blowing, and is course-correcting accordingly. And has nothing in common with anyone outside of her intellectual circles, which incredibly enough someone as palpably a lightweight as this person is can even rise to the ranks of the intelligentsia. I thought you had to be a lot smarter than that. But that's our meritocracy in action. It's open to anyone now, and you don't really have to be exceptional, just get good grades and be a diligent student, which is not even close to the same thing. Bottom line she's peddling her new book, and these appearances are part of the obligatory YT book tour. Quite frankly, she's hideous. And has the polemical finesse and tact of a boy-crazy teenager furiously studying to get into an Ivy she has no business attending. Thanks lady, for representing like that for the toilet cleaning people. You're all heart. Even the right-leaning host of this podcast had to gently push back on that. As anyone would....
This woman is fantastic. She speaks the truth so eloquently.
Batya is the kind of woman who justifies women having equal rights and opportunities.
She's a self-identified Marxist.
She's great.
And a very appealing personality with it.
Well many truths .. make sure to fact check her though .. they all lie to further their agenda
I have worked as a barmaid, waitress, chambermaid, cleaner, including doing the bathrooms and toilets in hotels and pubs. I am fully aware of how under appreciated those jobs are...but I took pride in doing them all well. There is nothing more unpleasant than a dirty toilet or bathroom. I truly appreciate.. in fact, Im very grateful, to whomever has cleaned it and made it nice for me and Im always impressed when I use facilities that are spotless and can see how beautifully clean someone has made it. I appreciate the refuse collectors and people at the tip who keep our environments clean and pest free...our health and safety as a society absolutely depend upon it. Big thank you.
Thank you for providing an essential service to all of us!
This woman is not for you; she’s anti -working class.
I'm not sure if I've heard an interview on a deadly serious topic that was as informative (and hilarious!) as this one. I've always admired Batya, but the way she diagnosed the dysfunction we're dealing with here, in a few short minutes, was sheer genius.
Love her. You have great guests andrew.
My first job out of school was cleaning toilets dont knock it, today I'm a PhD engineer working for a multinational, flying business class.
So was mine… chambermaid in a dodgy hotel.
A humble start in piss and shit.
Traitor! I'm just kidding 😅
My second job, starting the summer before I went to uni, after my first job working in a shop, was as a ward assistant. Which basically means cleaning up bodily fluids, helping old and sick people to go to the bathroom, turning patients who couldn't turn themselves so they didn't get bedsores (I saw some horrific bedsores, one of the worst things I ever saw).
After that, the jobs I had in bars and restaurants during my studies were a piece of piss.
"Can you take this dirty bin out and clean it?"
"Has it got human blood on it?"
"Um, no?"
"No problem! Let's get that bin sparkling while I listen to drum and bass on my earphones."
To be clear, I enjoyed both jobs because it feels good to help people. And its fun to get people drunk and make sure they have a great time out or having a meal.
In the late seventies I was a coffee shop waitress who had one roomate, a receptionist, and we shared an apartment in a nice neighborhood, ate out at restaurants, bought the latest lp records, each had a car, and went to concerts. That seems unbelievable, now.
It's one of those things where folks think they can change the recipe without changing the results. Look at how much was changed, and how quickly, and it's no wonder we can't do things like that anymore. The real problem, though, is that people don't want to believe that there are consequences to actions. They'll still support the change because they can't bring themselves to admit that they were wrong, that they screwed things up in a big way.
I agree it was not our income-- it was the government and the hand in our pockets. Back then we weren't paying for the enormous bureaucracy that has grown and spread through every part of our lives. I was a registered Democrat but still voted for Reagan
The toilet cleaning point was very good. I know a lady who is coming up to retirement age, and she cleans for a living, she puts 100% effort in, every single day. When she goes on holiday, it takes 2 young people to do her job, and they don't do it half as well, they even take longer, she goes home at 12pm, they take til 3pm. So called 'elite' people don't get life. It's that simple. I mow lawns for a living, they probably think that is a shitty job, whereas I think sitting behind a desk is a shitty job, I'm out in the fresh air, and sunshine, listening to music, earning £30 every 20 minutes or so. They all think the only measure of success is more money, I think the measure of success is how to pay less for life. There are so many loopholes if you just take time out of the rat race and think. If I'm a "lowly" lawn mowing guy, how come I drive a mercedes s500, and have visited 38 countries?
You’re totally right. Mowing lawns in the sunshine while listening to music sounds like an amazing job to be honest. Sitting in front of a computer is shit. Even if you’re paid a lot.
Having cleaned toilets for a living, I can assure you that their is nothing dignified about that task.
Do you have a winter job or is what you earn during spring / summer enough to see you through the year?
@@lavienestpasunlongfleuvetr2559 yep, i cleaned a few and I hated it
I cleaned toilets. Part of working in a restaurant was cleaning the bathroom. Wasn't what I desired to do. It's just one of those things everyone does as part of jobs like that. I thought everyone knew this. But now I realize not everyone does at all.
And yet there is a huge obvious elephant in the room...those who migrate to Western economies with no desire to contribute or integrate into the host country simply to enjoy the benefits whilst campaigning for the same values they hold whilst rejecting the values of their host country.
Right but they cant vote and they have plans to wranglethem into ghettohs and control them as a true second class. They will likley create some sort of scondary citizenship via lying about what they are actually doing in the bill.
Yesssss!!!!!!
I dated a young woman in the mid 2000’s who attended Columbia’s journalism school. She was from a super rich family and had been catered to her whole life. I knew the media was doomed at that point. She now teaches journalism and that scares me.
Over educated academically maybe. In human nature, not so much.
Very few of them have any common sense and their heads are full of ideological nonsense that's pumped into their heads in university. Thus, they're not even educated; they're indoctrinated/brainwashed.
spot on. So many of them have no common sense or realism
Probably one of the best interviews I have heard in ages. We sometimes forget how powerful humour is in getting a message across. THANK YOU 😊
Cleaning toilets, it's called work it's very important work imagine a world where no toilets are cleaned not very nice, we do it to survive we do it for our families you do what needs to be done.
Exactly, I can't understand how people end up so detached from real life that they don't realise that it is these jobs that actually allow us to live in a civilised society.
My God Andrew.....you are knocking it out of the park with this Heretics channel.......well done....keep "em coming.....
I'm 70 years old. Have been a (not uneducated) working class rebel for all of my live and I want to salute this young woman with much respect. She has understood what not many people understand these days. The woke people are a special kind of "left". They are the kind of people we, in the "revolutionary" 70's used to call "petit Bourgeois gone wild". People grown up in a very protected well to do environment going to university and starting to discover for the first time things outside their bubble: attending lectures in overall as to show their solidarity with the "working class". Boy, were they weird! But now as Marcuse et all have told them that the working class is not revolutionary anymore there's nobody to reign them in, and they become a danger to society and to themselves!🥴🥴
Oh man...this girl has got the script. She needs a VERY PROMINENT PLATFORM to put these ideas out there!!!!!!!
I enjoy Andrew's podcasts and like his style, but on this one I am GLAD Batya called him out to confront his attitude about cleaning toilets, he climbed down a bit and acknowledged that some people have to do that, but he should realize her point about how in the past that was a dignified job that could provide a dignified life - an honest job and an essential service. I was surprised by Andrew's ungracious comments. It's honest, hard work, and we can't have a well-run society without workers like that holding up our facilities, restaurants, office buildings. I know a mother and daughter who cleaned motels - they lived in a nice home in a decent neighbourhood, the daughter had everything she needed and went to our school. She had no problem telling people about that. That was over 25 years ago though. Those jobs should be respected and restored to dignified pay and compensation, now.
What differentiates North America from a lot of countries, at least for now, is that we do not look down on, mistreat, abuse, or shame anyone in these jobs, service industries, etc. There may be individual people who do that, but as a society we frown on mistreating people in those jobs. It should stay that way - but it brings up the larger point Batya is making about how far we are moving from that - in many aspects of society.
Her book is a beautifully told story about the business history and movements within the news industry and the cultural woke movement. I can’t recommend it enough.
Andrew looked a bit exposed - for the first time in my view. His privileged background and his inability to relate to ordinary people became painfully clear when talking about people cleaning toilets.
Actually I liked that bit, Andrew was willing to show his bias and listen to an opposing viewpoint respectfully.
Yes agree. I was well cared for as a child and have had good jobs in varied fields. Including well paid in nursing but exhausting hours and workload. But amongst the many jobs I have had included a job of doing just that. Cleaning toilets. I did it because I had to and can't say I aspired to it. But it was honest work. And I loom back and appreciate I had the job, and the much ended money at the time. I have known many who have done this at times to survive...cleaning and labouring work. I never felt less than doing this basic work. It was a dream to do it. And most wouldn't aspire to it. But when you need work you do what you need to. And take pride in whatever you're doing. To say it is beneath you means you have a privilege mindset.
True, but I think he is also quite self aware about his privileged background
I thought similar however in fairness he’s always authentic, right or wrong, he is what he is, no pretending
As someone who has cleaned restrooms at times as part of past jobs I felt an immediate revulsion toward him when he showed his attitude toward that kind of work. Not a surprise when he said he was a remainer. The posh accent tells on him.
I used to be a housekeeper and if not the fact I'm disabled now, I would gladly take that job over my office job. I used to love cleaning, it brings me satisfaction and people were happy with my extra effort, I felt appreciated. Office job is clean, not smelly, not physical, but life-draining, frustrating and I feel like a shell of a human.
Batya is the most precise, most succinct, puts the finest point - on the malevolence, divisiveness & hypocrisy of the American woke elite. Just brilliantly put. Absolute rockstar.
The Steve Bannon coaching tree produces another superstar.
My second job, starting the summer before I went to uni, after my first job working in a shop, was as a ward assistant. Which basically means cleaning up bodily fluids, helping old and sick people to go to the bathroom, turning patients who couldn't turn themselves so they didn't get bedsores (I saw some horrific bedsores, one of the worst things I ever saw).
After that, the jobs I had in bars and restaurants during my studies were a piece of piss.
"Can you take this dirty bin out and clean it?"
"Has it got human blood on it?"
"Um, no?"
"No problem! Let's get that bin sparkling while I listen to drum and bass on my earphones."
To be clear, I enjoyed both jobs because it feels good to help people. And its fun to get people drunk and make sure they have a great time out or having a meal.
Life goals are sitting around a table and having the quality of conversations like Andrew and Batya.
What they crave is NOT being stopped doing whatever they want to do.
No what they crave is not being stopped doing what their father and his father have always done
I was one from a posh background where everybody was told college is mandatory. It’s not. I’m a very contented custodian with 2 useless degrees in music.
I'm cleaning toilets for a living, have an Aa, and two office specialist certificates. I'm also behind on my rent, but don't want to go back into HUD housing. And I am happy.
Those of us without a degree would be interested in knowing what your earnings are Vs what they would be if you didn't have one. I know loads of people who didn't use their degrees but they definitely get paid more just for having them
@@souxcasa That's a fair point indeed and I'm sure that many such experiences fit that model. Perhaps it's to do with the line of work or employer, etc. but in my own personal case I get paid 35k per year like all my coworkers (except the senior ones - they get paid more) AND I've learned Spanish for free!
You must be a pretty bad musician then
@@bulldogklaus47 I imagine the job does have something to do with it. Free Spanish lessons is cool :)
In the USA, blue collar workers often earn more than college professors and PhD’s. My son studied Philosophy in College and now performs a blue collar job, drilling wells. He earns a high income. My husband has his PhD in chemistry from an elite university. Our neighbor, an uneducated (but intelligent) steam fitter earns more than my husband. So, it’s hardly worth getting a college degree today. This is especially true with the cost of college.
Same in the uk. People with high level degree qualifications earning and having worse career opportunities than vocational workers. Construction comes to mind.
When comparing education, incomes and jobs don't mix apples oranges and Broccoli. There are many variables doing that . 🇺🇸
Dont forget that as of 2022 there has been a nationwide hiring freeze on all publicly traded compants for white men. Down 97% hiring year on year since due to that blackrock edict. So getting a job as a chemist is impossible now if your white
There’s a lot of chemistry going on here 😉
Massive pheromones.
@@chrisbfreelance *_Mmmmmmm..._* *Pheromones.*
No kidding. I love it. 😇
It's great to watch.
Yeah I picked up on that as well.
As an Irish person, I'd just like to say that I'm so embarrassed of my country. I just don't understand the level of antisemitism. I hope it will change, please don't think we're all a lost cause ❤
I've met many Irish people over the years, both in Ireland and whilst travelling. Some of the least prejudicial people, in my own experience. Just being treated poorly by the ruling class. It's never the people on the ground.
There is a civil war in the offing but not based on religion, this time on class. Amazing how the nationalists fought the British for independence only to hand it over the the globalist of the EU
Protections of arabs is shocking. Despite the part they did in ethnic cleansing all over the world 🌎...
Got a feeling you're confusing zionism with judaism, protesting for palestine is not antisemetic, zionism is not what judaism is.
Being against Israel is not anti-semitism. Google "black and tans" and what their connection to Ireland and Palenstine were if you want a better idea of why Ireland is mostly pro-Palestine.
She's right. All honest work has dignity. Superior intellect and extensive educational credentials do not necessarily correspond, which is another way of saying that superior intelligence is not overrepresented among journalists.
This is the flirtiest interview I’ve seen. No judgement we need more of this!
I was hoping I wasn’t the only one who noticed.
We had a cleaner in my office, a lovely woman, really took pride in her work. I soon realised she was smart, too. Turned out that she’d previously helped her husband run a logistics company and they had a fleet of HGVs until they were dragged under by a customer who went bust owing them a lot of money. She took the cleaning job as a way to bring in a bit of income while they got back on their feet.
The thing I admire most about her is she had no airs and graces. She didn't think she was better than anyone else, nor worse than them. She just wanted to do an honest day's work to the best of her ability.
Treat everyone with respect and don't make assumptions about them from the job they do.
yes! the biggest fallacy of american immigration and economics is the idea that "nobody wants to do those jobs anyway." if the jobs paid more, they WOULD want to do them. but immigration, especially illegal immigration, has depreciated wages
I worked for local news for a decade as a studio crew member / technical director and I can confirm the newsroom had a competency issue. Most of these people don't even know how their own stations operate on a technical level. We had news anchors that didn't know how to open folders on a computer. They couldn't even grasp the concept of dragging and dropping folders into each other. You could unplug a reporter's computer screen and they'd assume they needed a new computer. This is the level of IQ we're dealing with. Very rarely did I meet a reporter who took care of their equipment, it was like a 99% guarantee they'd destroy their own camera some how.
This was one of the best interviews I've seen on this channel yet, well done.
I've been a cleaner and a journalist. I decided that i was doing more good ( and earning more ) as a cleaner.
What a superb interview!!! I didn’t want it to end. It was like your the oldest friends. AMAZING woman, please please have her back, Andrew 🙏🙌❤️
This was so informative and SO funny. My face hurts from smiling. Thank you ❤
This is your all time best interview on Heretics. Batya is quite brilliant. You two had great rapport.
Love her. And thank you for having her on. She's f-ing REAL. And she's (mostly) right.
Also, great chemistry between you two. 😉
I am now a Batya Ungar-Sargon fan!!
Glad she called you out on the toilet cleaning comment Andrew, a job is a job mate, (no pun intended).
This was a great interview - the energy was super fun!
That, 'you're so dangerous' at the end, with her head tilted...that was basically, 'I fancy you' lol
Andrew, the black lampshade behind you is crooked!🤣
Black lampshade FTW!
I'd call it jaunty
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That's a lampshade of color, you racist! 🤣
😂🤣🤣🤣🤪
I recall telling my aunt that I was struggling to find a job back in 1998/1999. She asked why. I said that over 20% of my city (Wilmington,NC at the time) was illegal immigrants, and they work cheaper. I didn't lie. There was no malice. She called me a racist and hung up! I swear to god, and I said NOTHING remotely racist. I didn't know she was so brainwashed nor where it came from at the time.
It really WAS about 20%. I beat it's way higher now, i moved.
I'm a house painter. Well, that's what I'm best at.. I do more than that, all construction comes with the territory.
I didn't move as a result of immigrants. I moved to PA to help my wife's mother, she had dementia. It was tough... and I still haven't started my own company here. I'm not working atm.. long story. I'm not broke, but the angst is REAL, i get soooo bored.
I might start a podcast myself.. kr some kind of CZcams.. I can't pinpoint wtf I want lol. I have an extremely high IQ, I'm educated, especially on politics and religion.. and psychology. Choices, choices.
Rarely seem so many original thoughts I haven't come across, all packed into one interview. Also great energy and humour.
I studied Media & Communications in both Canada and the US. The difference in the education provided was stark. In Canada, where I got my Comms degree, I learned to deconstruct media narratives and view the business workings/hierarchy/political machinations of our media outlets and how they impact society and what we view as "news." In America, I learned about the who's who of American journalism, how great and infallible they are, how to write news stories with a clear political bias, and that American media is correct. American media education is its own special breed of imperialist propaganda.
But what the hell is going on in Canada? No offence but really?
Lovee him or hate him, Putin was right about one thing in his interview with Tucker that no one in the history of mankind has propaganda like the US.
Such a good combination of information and entertainment. She has passion and knowledge. Andrew has charm. so good!
My father was a janitor for a large electrical utility he started cleaning toilets Comet he went to night school and became a high voltage electrical technician
Must be close to 50 years ago when my dad read us, at the kitchen table, a "Dear Abby" article. A mother had written in about the "injustice" that had befallen her son, who had received detention for "being snippety and disrespectful" to the teacher. His offense was that he was not interested in what was being taught and the teacher had told him "if you don't pay attention you'll end up being stuck with being a ditch digger all your life". His offensive response was "what's wrong with being a ditch digger, it's honest work, someone has to do it". Those who think of themselves as elite have been at it for years, us regular folk just think they are idiots.
Andrew forgets there are people that are genuinely limited to basic tasks. IQ is real and matters.
Every normal/high IQ person should be made to work (for a year or two) in simple tasks, like toilet cleaning or picking apples, so they have an appreciation for those who cannot escape lowly jobs.
Not everyone who has a low IQ would want to escape those jobs if they paid ok. I know people who love cleaning because it's a task you can just get on with without having to think. Physical labour os good for you if you're not so stressed cos you can feed yourself or your family. If you pay those jobs well enough there's plenty of people willing to do them and be happy doing them
That goes to the point of a market saturated with imported labour.
Andrew should probably watch some talks by Mike Rowe who presented _"Dirty Jobs"._ He's all about celebrating important work which most people would find unpleasant.
"Cleaning Toilets" is perhaps not a great example, because no-one gets a career specifically in toilet cleaning. It's one task in a broader cleaning job. But probably something you do less as you work your way up the ladder. Cleaning sewers is perhaps a more interesting example. As that's a job which is always dirty, but can also become very well-paid.
Don't underestimate how a person's family's economic status can affect their opportunities and choices in life too. There are plenty of brilliant sonsabitches all over the country doing so-called 'menial' jobs because that's just the hand that circumstance has dealt them.
you guys had fun, and I appreciate that.
Saw Batya on Megan Kelly not too long ago, she is very based and I look forward to this discussion. It’s going to be a good one.
Based??? What's that
@@reasonabledoubt6908 Ah, you must be a leftist?
@@d-pooly79 left of center but doesn't mean I don't think right have some valid points..
@@reasonabledoubt6908 okay, a reasonable position to have Based just means common sense, or critical thinking.
For many people, myself included, your family is your source of purpose. Therefore, a job is a job. Hopefully, it pays well and it’s something I don’t hate. If it pays well and the people I work for are nice enough, I’ll never quit, I’ll always do my work with integrity. It’s the paycheck that matters.
wow she's great. I wish this was longer
Great interview, Andrew. It was very interesting and informative for sure! I’m always busy for your lives 😢. You’re exploding with your subscriber’s count. Congratulations.
I used to clean houses and the job itself was quite enjoyable and you were left alone to work. What made me feel uncomfortable saying what I did for money was how others saw it. I recall thanking another cleaner as she cleaned the stairs in a really dirty language school I was attending years later and her face lit up and she said that comment made her day. Honestly, respect and dignity, it is the basis we should all be starting from.
I absolutely loved this conversation - besides from all the giggling you are both such knowledgeable, eloquent and interesting intellectuals ☺️🤣
27 minutes she says the Irish are "so racist". Isn't that a rather hypocritical thing to say!?
What an amazing interview!Fun,interesting,and i felt optimistic !Thank you both so much!
Amazing interview Andrew! Now more books to my list.
Fabulous guest and im going to buy her book x
I HAVE A MASSIVE CRUSH ON BATYA!!!! Also, Andrew, the accent’s posh. Your brain is interested in the zeitgeist. Most innately posh folk are dismissive and narrow to hide insecurity. Batya, (seriously girl) you need a Megyn Kelly kind of podcast: comment on news, converse with like minded folk, and trot out the occasional oppositional foe.
Take it from a 75 year old, military veteran - you’d be a smash!!!
10 yrs ago I was in Vienna on holiday when my 18 yr old son and I had an interesting talk to the hotel barman. We were surprised when he told us that in Europe it was a life long profession and much respected. The level of training he went through was admirable. As Australians we were impressed.
Wow, what a freaking outstanding interview. I have actually never watched it before, but you are a riot and Batya Ungar-Sargon is such a well spoken breath of fresh air! I have found my new favorite person! Thank you so very much for this outstanding podcast! I will be consuming everything from here on out from the both of you but especially Batya Ungar-Sargon.
She describes exactly what has happened in Canada, specifically with the CBC.
This was a thoroughly delightful interview. I learned a lot and it makes me happy to see intelligent discourse with a bit of humor and humility.
I’ve had both male and female gynaecologists. I found there are good and bad in both. I went to a female after going to a male who was an idiot, and she was terrible too. I was referred to another male and he was great. My current one is a female and she’s great too.
I'm Irish and just ignore those assholes. Woke mind virus and all that nonsense is rotting people's brains. I am left but I am in now way woke at all.
I love your stuff Andrew, you and Triggernometry.
May I ask why you are Left, or perhaps more to the point, why are you not Right? Sincere request here. This has perplexed me for some time.
@meb280 Hmm, I would if I had to classify myself as centre left. Being overly right or overly left comes off as being too dogmatic & rigid in terms of thinking.
There is too much you have to think my way or else type thinking. Religious nonsense, racism, woke idiocy etc.
@@oisinm332 Maybe things are different in Ireland as opposed to the U.S., but woke idiocy here in the U.S. is all Left. None of that on the Right. I suspect religion/faith has a large part in why so many people choose the Left, but I was wanting to find out if this is accurate. And, of course, the large majority would reject either extreme, including myself. Do you consider people on the Right to be racists and is this based on your own interactions or are you taking it from the media unchallenged? Again, I am a sincere seaker here, not trying to trick you or denigrate.
@@meb280 My exposure to the extremes on both sides is mostly from the media. Things are for the most part less extreme here. Although I did encounter an intense evangelical preacher from America who fit the stereotype perfectly. Just talked didn't listen, everyone is an evil sinner etc.
Thank god that someone who's separating liberalism's "woke" project from "left/radical left" is getting some oxygen!
Yep cleaned toilets through uni and enjoyed doing a good job x
All people should clean their own toilets after themselves
You are so right lady.
Great interview, Andrew. This point you made about cleaning toilets, though? And I’ve heard you mention this kind of opinion before. Work in service of others like janitorial work, nursing, food prep and delivery … are all noble and of great value to those served. And these can and should be done with pride by people compensated fairly and treated with respect. Batya was kind there not to call you out more than she did for the Posh view.
Something my Dad taught me was never to feel that a job that need doing was beneath me and always to have respect for people who’s served me. I think that servant leader idea from my Dad, in my military service and in my career has served me well. And in my home? Yes, I clean the toilets. I take great pride in that and, I dare say, that are fine looking toilets. 😂
As a 53 year old who has figured out that I won’t be pegged as right or left, Republican or Democrat since over the years I’ve learned to truly look into a subject when asked if I’m for or against a position. I cringe when people speak in blanket statements and group people under a specific moniker and then proceed to define that moniker and arrogantly proclaim their collective motivations and intentions.
I loved the banter between you both and enjoyed listening to her views and perspectives even though I strenuously disagreed on a handful of points she made.
If I was sitting at the table with you both, I would’ve had to respectfully argue and debate her on a handful of points….which would be a fun challenge as I really enjoyed her energy, enthusiasm and ability to succinctly articulate her complex and multifaceted views.
Bravo!! ✊thank you both!
Great banter and great interview!
Great interview - thank you both. Batya is my idea of someone from the "left" that I have always identified with. Hearing the "woke" referred to as "left" never fails to trigger my gag reflex. : /
Brilliant interview. Some fantastic guests and conversations on this channel. Love it. Keep going
Only 10 minutes in and it's amazing already. Especially what she's discussing at 9:10!!
The development of the 'Hunger Games' society is and has been happening before our eyes..
This was brilliant. Great energy. Loved the banter.
The opening 2 mins is the most cogent and succinct explanations of some you will hear. 100% agree.
Best description of the current societal shift I have heard. Thank you!
I haven't paid any attention to what college students are saying since they definitively won me over to their side with the vicious protests of Yale professors Nicholas and Erica Christakis due to the suggestion that college students, as adults, could pick their own Halloween costumes without guidance from college admin. They convinced me, absolutely they weren't mature enough...for pretty much anything. So until they can dress themselves, they don't get to determine university or U.S. foreign policy. That's just my rule.
Right on. Thanks for sharing.
Great episode both of you. Loved that!
I'm 61. At 18 I had no highschool diploma. I worked as a construction laborer, an engraver, a security guard, a stock clerk, a cashier at a gas station over three yrs until I decided to go back to school. Got my H.S. diploma, then attended college. At 35 I started a career in sales which I still do to this day. None of what I studied in school is specific to my career in sales. Working hard at jobs / school and learning how to think critically is what prepared me for my career...and for LIFE
Regarding the toilet cleaning, and menial jobs in general: I think men in particular are probably more self conscious about it because being seen as low status is potentially more harmful to romantic success and general respect from others. It's all tied together with perceived competence/intelligence and ambition, or lack of. There is also the possibility that being lower status might affect brain chemistry, although a lot more research on that is needed.
Your podcasts are getting better all the time! And yes I most certainly agree with noblesse oblige!
Bringing in cheap labour is a form of imperialism without the need for a military. Instead of exploiting people in their home countries, import them and exploit them in the imperial country. Meanwhile legacy population of the imperial country undergoes colonisation in line with new arrivals all becoming a colonised class. As with most great empires, the poor and weak in the imperial home country are on a par with those in the colonies.
Gone are flags, military campaigns and colouring the map red (as with the British Empire). Now the poor and weak legacy population at home are forced into a colony with new arrivals with the same arrogant line drawing that defined imperial colonies in C19, colonials are corralled while the elite imperialists are disguised as responsible and sensible politicians. It is an appalling and increasingly deliberate deception.
Another fantastic Heretics interview here. Thank you, Andrew Gold and thank you, Batya Ungar-Sargon.
Brilliant episode!!
Thanks !! She’s brilliant !
Wow, she Nailed it 👏🏻
Wherever you have toilets, which is everywhere - the people who work there also have to clean them-hotel housekeepers, environmental service workers, janitors in the schools, malls, even the food service people in the restaurants, the people at the gas stations-it’s an add on duty. They have to be trained in pathogens and biohazards, they are trained to prevent people from contamination. They are also exposed to various chemicals, so need training for chemical hazards -if they also serve food, they are food safety trained. So they protect us all from sickness and no one notices.
I have to agree with the other comments here: insane chemistry, engaging banter, very entertaining and educational to watch. the both of you!
Great conversation, thanks for it.
I loved this interview......so much fun!
I love your interviews - but this one was really funny! Also, Batya is a very interesting interview partner. Well done!