How One Mistake Cost 16 Skydivers their Lives | Disaster in Ohio
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- Find out why eighteen skydivers jumped from a civilian airplane some 20,000 feet above Lake Erie instead of jumping over Ortner Airport, Ohio.
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Imagine being those lucky 3 who were kicked off because it was too full...
...or those lucky 2 whose swimming skills apparently matched or exceeded their skydiving skills.
Final Destination though...
Survivor's guilt, most likely
They were picked up by a passing boat@@roberthagedorn290
they died trying to do something that tens of thousands if not hundreds of thousands of peope have done. what was the point? you're not inventing something new, the risk is not worth it at all
Sometimes it takes more courage to say "no" than to say "go".
Which can also be confusing. When I used to skydive in Idaho, I had a buddy of mine on a jump run that I wasn't on, and they would fly out over this reservoir to gain altitude then head back towards the airport.... They were right near the edge of the res and dude opened the door to get some cool air in the cabin cuz it was like 100F on the ground and pilot said, 'NO NO NO" which, due to the noise of the wind and the plane, my buddy thought he said 'GO GO GO" so he just bailed out without even looking for himself. DOH! Fortunately, they weren't quite yet over water and he ended up landing safely in a field, about 5 miles away from the airport. DOH!
It's a shame the pilot that was involved in Kobe Bryant's death didn't have that courage.
Anyone of them should have had the authority to abort. Can't see land. Abort. Not sure? Abort. Actually if they had an abort plan this never would have been allowed. I don't sky dive, but I worked in dangerous situations in offshore oil. Hopefully lives were saved by the lessons learned here.
Bingo. Peer pressure is enormous. Look at the billions persuaded to take a dangerous injection.
@@bobgillis1137 And the millions who died because they believed the lies propagated by kooks.
I cannot begin to imagine the absolute terror they must have felt once they got through the clouds and saw water. Poor souls RIP 🕊️🌹
I'm just amazed that none of them thought maybe we need to shed our gear before we hit that water so we don't drown! I mean they deployed the chutes at 3,000 feet. At a decent rate from there of 1,000 feet/minutes that's 3 minutes to plan for a water landing.
@@MadFox-jr6by I don't even want to think what was in their mind and soul..
It's a good lesson to help the rest of us. When you are stressed out, panic will not help. Control your breathing, think about the problem. So many people have no idea how to react when the encounter something unexpected and terrifying. @@cocobau
well no shiet sherlock, were you in their shoes?
@@MadFox-jr6byyep exactly, so many mistakes unbelievable
While I've read of this incident many years ago through my ventures in the sky diving community, I remain shocked that such a level of irresponsibility was present on the flight deck of that aircraft during this jump sequence. How in the name of God do you in good conscience allow anyone to depart your aircraft without visual reference to the ground? It simply numbs the mind.
I'm guessing income had a lot to do with it, perhaps the pilot was under pressure to provide sucdessful jumps? Honestly I have no idea, It just doesn't make any sense to me
If you give jumpers the option to leave, they will. Regardless of wx conditions, they'll happily jump right out.
Are you saying you have never heard of a sky diving operation dropping (customers) thru clouds ?
@@alanaldpal950 If he/she hasn't, then he/she isn't a skydiver😔
Pilot here. Blaming the parachutists here does not sit well with me. The pilot knew that his rules are written in blood, and yet he violated them anyway. He should have been criminally prosecuted for 16 counts of homicide.
The pilot was really negligent in this case. There were so many red flags that the jump should have been aborted.
Good trollin' on his part, daily laugh.
the jumpers were negligent as well, jumping into clouds without visual references
The air traffic controler mistakenly confused the jump plane, (a B 25 not a DC 3), with another plane that was flying near the DZ and radioed the pilot of the jump plane to tell the jumpers to exit. Both the pilot and the air controller lost their licenses.
Humanity is peppered with red flags.
My dad was 1 of the lucky sky divers that was picked up by the boat. Wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the person in the pleasure boat.
Mine too!
My dad was out getting milk.
My dad was probably humping mom according to my age. I have to ask mom, though, since my dad died humping my mom's other brother
my dad was the boat
My dad made sure the drain plug was in the boat
I cannot imagine the absolute terror of the divers when they realize they’ve been dropped over water. This is heartbreaking 💔 🕊️ RIP fearless lads
I'm a bit confused as to how/why they all drowned. Were they all unable to cutaway and remove their harness in the water?
@@pennyether8433 They were miles out into the water, and while the video doesn't mention the conditions, they could have been pretty bad.
@@pennyether8433 One jumper couldn’t swim. They were 4-5 nautical miles offshore with heavy boots and clothing. Some were pulled under before they could shed their gear and clothing. They also didn’t know exactly where the jumpers landed, so searching was not pinpointed or immediate.
this is stupid
Technically they were not dropped over water, they jumped of their own volition. Remember these were all experienced sky divers who would be aware of a prohibition on jumping through clouds. Had they heeded that basic guide none would have jumped.all would have lived. While ATC and the pilot both made huge mistakes ultimately the jumpers themselves
made the choice to jump.
That was really painful to watch. My heart goes out to their families.
they dont know you
@@theghostoftravel and it was 1967
i give a high 5 to charles darwin's spirit
@@theghostoftravelBelieve it or not sometimes saying the right thing is appropriate
Never understood the desire to jump out of a plane
Edit: Ironically, I’m now doing a skydive for charity
It’s probably an insanely cathartic and exhilarating experience but no way in hell I’m ever doing that. I’m good on the ground thanks. Even being out in the ocean terrifies me
Not everyone enjoys fun the same way, it's okay. But IYKYK
Neither did I till I tried it .. best experience of my life ..
Nor me.
It's one of those dumb things like mountain climbing.
Jumping out of a working plane 20,000 feet in the air.... I never understood that "hobby". And I'm a pilot.
If you want to swim, you have to get out of the boat, if you want to fly you have to get out of the airplane. In other words, if you have never jumped, I can't explain it to you, and you could never understand.
It's pretty fun. And pretty safe. I don't do it often and i certainly wouldn't do it with 16 people.
I'm a pilot as well, I run my own cockpit.
@@billsanders5067That has got to be the stupidest explanation I have ever heard... That's like saying if you truly want to drive get out of your car and jump on the hood while going down the freeway
*adrenaline junkies*
I've heard of this one before, very sad indeed. I've never skydived, and never will as I have a massive fear of heights (more specifically of falling.) I can't imagine the terror of seeing the water below them, parachute gear is heavy, and not designed for landing in water. The guilt of the pilot must be immense.
And the tower who told they were somewhere other than over water.
@@macforme Both are criminally negligent , pull both their licences .
@@bitrhbj56 makes sense.... they are doing jobs where lives depend on them.
May be he couldn't care less at all!
It's what happens when the mission becomes more important than safety. Despite obvious errors by the pilot and ATC if the rule "you cannot jump if you can't see the ground" was followed, this would never have happened.
jumping from a perfectly good plane outside of war time is darwnism.
Skydiving is a sport thousands of people all over the world enjoy. Thousands of jumps a year are concluded with no serious accidents. And the UK's paratroopers do it all the time as military exercise. I fail to see what "darwnism" has to do with it.@@cagneybillingsley2165
@@cagneybillingsley2165speaking the truth
@@cagneybillingsley2165no it isn't.
@@cagneybillingsley2165There is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.
Wow, this is nothing short of a horror movie. I’m 58 and never heard about this.
In Britain, several years ago, some parachutists jumped from a plane at an airshow, on a clear day, when there was a helicopter operating below them. Despite good visibility the outcome was both tragic and inevitable.
Oh...
So you're not going to tell the actual story of what happened??
@@meghanmisaliarFigure it out.
That's what I was thinking, or at least the name of the air show. @@meghanmisaliar
Details, @cuchi?
In Army special forces we had to practice water jumps twice a year. The worst part was the canopy coming down on top of you and getting tangled up in the parachute cords. I hated it because I couldn't swim lol. We would wrap tape around our wrists and ankles to trap air pockets in our shirt sleeves and pant legs. It would help us float til we got picked up.
I used to drop skydivers through clouds all the time. But this was using GPS and ADS-B. The position of the aircraft was ALWAYS known. This accident occurred in a time when, GPS was not a thing, mode C transponders were not used and ATC used primary radar returns with vectored turns to identify aircraft. It's a pretty rudimentuary way of doing things butnit worked, until those times when it didn't.
You are much smarter than this moron that was flying these poor souls
The ATC mistakenly identified the jump plane that was several miles outta over the lake with another plane flying near the DZ.
@keithhendrickson8522: All well and good [ IF ] equipment is functional. The over reliance on avionics has made the skilled navigator an endangered species. Left in the lurch one hot summer day (1960's) when my Omni took a dump, ground haze with smoke from brush fires obliterated any VFR checkpoints, conditions were borderline at best for a student pilot and I should have waited for a better day. Radio was functional, with the help of Atlanta Terminal Radar, North Sector, I was vectored back to PDK Airport. My C150 had no IFR capability so the controller had me fly some turns to ID my aircraft and position. I learned: 1- As soon as departure would allow check your NAV equipment for functionality BEFORE leaving your area NOT later enroute. 2-On borderline days for VFR, wait until another day. 3- Never trust totally any electrical powered device without a backup plan. Digression: years later I became an Industrial Electrician and put groceries on the table repairing and maintaining production machinery, some electronics have gremlins that take delight in ruining your plans. 4-A fully functional navigator aboard could have, in all probability, prevented the above. While VFR checkpoints were lacking, a close approximation can be determined. WWII Navigators in B-17's with primitive equipment flying above cloud cover over Germany, sometimes DR was their only method for a MPP (most probable Position). A trained navigator may well have prevented AA-Flight 965 tragedy. To turn your navigation over to a miserable computer, to alter course radically ?? (unless directed by the controlling agency). when your ck points have resulted in a good fix that coincides with your ETA's demonstrates a mindset that is complacent and disengaged from reality. With the luxury of VOR-DME I may hear.. " three-three-bravo say position".. " FIVE-ZERO- nautical on the two-two-five" ( VOR ID) three-three-bravo."
wonderful. But you had better have a backup plan for your Nav. and from speed, time, and direction to know your MPP.
Only the dead would place their lives in the hand of an electronic device. GPS or ADS-B, If you can not see the ground, do not jump.
@@justanotherguy469 Every time you fly on an airline you place you're life in the hands of people who quite often can't see where they're going, and are navigating solely by means of GPS and electronic navigation.
These incidents are hard to digest at times. As a pilot I know the importance of doing everything by the book, rules and regulations are written in blood sadly. As a chinook pilot I am often reminded of the Mannheim incident. (Which involved jumpers and was an issue involving maintenance)
Fault is proper to see the
1. Jump master
2. Illegal Ways the pilot error numskull.
Was it not a Chinook that had to make an emergency landing when American diplomats were held hostage. I think it was found that one part was a fake
Ground-up walnut shells used clean out hydraulic passages was what I read.
I read about this incident just last week and TFC made a video about it. As with all accidents, this incident made skydiving the 'safe' sport it is today.
Gear didnt kill them the cold water did.
It's far safer than you realize. I've had ONE minor injury in 15 years of it.
There are multiple reasons why you shouldn't do a skydive through clouds, all of which are connected to the concept of 'you never know what is beneath you or where'. These skydivers unfortunately fell victim to one of those scenarios.
Apparently in the UK that rule would mean you practically never skydive, I heard. So it's not such a hard and fast rule.
no reason to skydive period
You could have stopped at the word "skydive".
Here I'll fix it for you.
"There are multiple reasons you shouldn't skydive".
You had me at the first sentence.
@@904Anonymous❤
The consequences for the pilot and the controller would have been interesting...
The FFA pulled the licenses of the pilot and the ATC.
Oh. Interesting. Thx :)@@billsanders5067
Their guilty conscience would have traumatized them more .
this is actaully terrifying..
I flew over Ortners Airport all the time on my up to Lake Erie. I flew out of Botsfords Airport Wellington next to Wakeman, Ohio. I never landed there as it was a private cargo hub in 1979. I never knew this story.
Title of the video says "one mistake" but at the end of the video the rundown lists separate mistakes made by absolutely everyone.
Yes such a stupid title.....
I have a few parachute jumps but the real reason I did it was to get to fly. I finally decided to purchase a plane and get my license. One of the Best decisions of my life. When I did my jumps I did not even get closer to the door until I could identify visually my drop zone.
It was different for me. Flew for 25 years, then skydived. Several hundred jumps later, gave up on my pilots license renewal. Just didn’t feel fun anymore after learning to skydive. Skydiving to me is the most fundamental form of flight, and the canopy ride ain’t bad either!
Familiarity breeds contempt. All those involved thought they knew better than the rules, which exist for a reason. I was concerned as soon as the second airplane joined the fun to take pictures. They never found their target because of the clouds. Didn't they think to set up communication with the drop plane in order to coordinate and set the jump properly?
Reading the Wikipedia article it seems the government was sued for the error of the ATC, but the pilot had a wavier signed by the jumpers and the parachutists were determined to not have "contributory negligence" because prohibitions against jumping through clouds were intended to protect people on the ground, not the people jumping. So the only person held responsible for their actions was the ATC.
Mrs. Inky Sez "Enemy cat!!! fight fight fight!!!"
There was a lot that went wrong here….
When the story got as far as - 2 planes, 18 jumpers, almost no communications, too much cloud cover, no real plan for contingencies, I thought, how many things could go wrong here? The responsibility was on everyone involved. Those were the early, rogue days of skydiving.
That wasn't a mistake, it was a deliberate decision to jump despite being above a cloud layer.
I don't think you understand what a mistake is. A deliberate decision can certainly be a mistake.
A mistake is 2+2=5. They made a CHOICE - a DELIBERATE decision.
i agree with @prasad530 - i think you mean that is wasn't accidental - they made the made an error in judgement and decided to jump anyway
That is not a B25, it is a C47 or DC 3 civilian aircraft. Better know as a bisquit bomber used in the Berlin airlift.
I am not a pilot (nor a sky diver), but didn't it say the pilot didn't have ear phones and had to use one, from the divers? My question is how did he intend to talk with the traffic control? I must be missing something.
I think he just forgot them. He seemed to not be the prepared type.
The ATC mistakenly identified a plane flying near the DZ with the jump plane that was several miles out over the lake.
There is a speaker in the cockpit, and a hand mic. We all use headsets anymore.
I'm pulling a Krammer, "I'm out."
Why anyone would willingly jump out of a perfectly good airplane is beyond my comprehension.
The description says a B-25 WW2 bomber, but the video shows a DC-3 airliner
@@snotnosewilly99 and the video says it's not the right plane.
Because the aircraft that we jumped from was never a "perfectly good airplane"...
Why anyone would willingly sit on a motorcycle without any safety when he can drive a car is beyond my comprehension...
Skydiver AND pilot here. Your comment is so old that it has a beard ten miles long.
@@herrunbekannt7556 I agree. Motorcycle riders without protective gear and the need for speed are just as stupid as air jumping thrill seekers. I mean people die all the time but thrill seekers shouldn't be mourned at all.
And how does one compare people jumping out of planes to people who decide to use motorcycles instead of cars? What the alternative to jumping out of an airplane?
That is not a B-25...it's a DC-3 (C-47 in the military)
He mentions that it wasn't the real plane near the beginning.
Talking about the Mitchell, could you please do a video on the B-25 that flew into the Empire State Building back in the late 1940s?
1945
It's Not A Mitchell In This Video!!!
Two of my biggest fears: falling and drowning. Throw in being attacked by birds and it's the trifecta of Worst Way to Die (for me).
My two are like yours falling from a great height or drowning
I decade or so ago I had a summer job packing parachutes at the local DZ. I also have a tremendous fear of heights… the restraint I had to force upon myself when jumpers would ask my how many jumps I had - I’d mutter, “just one 😬, but you’ll have fun!” while my spine shivered 😂
A summer job packing parachutes? I thought that all sky divers traditionally insisted on doing it themselves, since their life would actually depend on it.
@@SofaKingShit If you run the numbers then you would have way more success with professionals packing rather than someone who had just learnt it in a class.
"Summer JOB!?" what?... Im sorry but um idk man
@@SofaKingShit the majority of the packing they do are for the Tandem Jumps and the Students learning to skydive. Pro Skydivers pay the packers to pack their chutes because doing it 10 times a day works the knees. The Packers do it all day everyday so they more than likely to pack a parachute better than most people and quicker.
I'm calling BS here. A "summer job packing parachutes". Riiiiight.
Man, the bird sounds are intense at the beginning of this one.
Every time you skydive you roll the dice on something going wrong. Plane, pilot, controller, weather, equipment, etc. Most times your roll a seven and have a great time. Someone's eventually gonna roll snake eyes. The bottom line is that, THEY KNOW, but choose to do it anyway.
Seven on the come out roll!
You can say the same thing about driving on the freeway
Yea you can and you will, until you become an adult.
@@TheIronDuke9 Um no. As a drive on the freeway is usually a necessity. I don't drive on the freeway for a 'thrill'. "Think before you type." Words to live by.
You're still rolling the dice, for thrill or not, everything is a choice@@SultanKhan66
"Military version of a B-25"? I did not think the B-25 was ever non-militarym though many since have found civilian uses such as camera work. (Just as well you informed us that the DC-3 shewn was not a B-25!).
A B-25 was used as a Camera Platform for the filming of Battle of Britain (1969)
I caught that as well.
Glad I found yours before replying. My Dad flew DC-3s and that ain’t no B-25, my goodness, like no one would notice the difference.
@jeffhale2982 I've Been Arguing With A Guy About This Very Subject!!! There Is NO B25 In This Video!!!
The Thumbnail Is A DC3 And The Plane The People Are Jumping Out Of Is WAY To Short Plus Has A Tail Wheel!!! The B25 Has Tricycle Gear!!!
Like You Said, As If We Wouldn't Know The Difference!!!
Glad Someone Else Has A Brain!!!
@@rockerpat1085 C-57s in WWII, right? My Dad flew A-20s, A-26s and B-26s in the war, then DC-3s in the 1950s out of Tyndall AFB, Florida. Always said the DC-3 “Gooney Bird” was his favorite plane to fly. “Military version of the B-25?” There was no other version! Someone’s a little mixed up.
It would seem that the egos of those involved may have heightened the risk and the thrill of the moment may have just been too much to resist.
Not the same thing but speaking of pilot ego, it was precisely that in my opinion that caused the Tenerife disaster in 1977.
The actions of the KLM pilot were morally reprehensible.
This is beyond tragic it’s sickening the pilot of both planes involved and the air traffic controller should be all fired and put in jail
This happened in 1967. They're probably dead by now.
I'm not dead and I was there.***************** @@dukeford
As a Skydiver, I would NEVER jump without being able to see the ground, and the pilot should have had his license revoked and been prosecuted for
negligently violating safety protocols....
it wasnt the pilot's fault, it was the ATC mistaking the cessna plane to be the B-25
@@ItzLuzTheOfficial WRONG - it is against safety rules for a pilot to allow jumpers to go when the ground is not visible, and that is the main reason for the deaths, and this rule is in place to be the most important and final safety check, in case there are other "errors" before the jump. The pilot did not obey this rule, and had he done his duty (as required) the skydivers would not have died. Also, it's against safety rules for skydivers to jump when the ground isn't visible, so they were negligent too, and I think they (really) were fools and killed themselves by jumping.
Use to fly a few planes for a drop zone no one out of my plane without know exactly where we were over the drop, so what should his case was an airport? good size one at that what were the winds on the ground? Calling ATC saying at 12 five about to let jumpers out and wait for positive response The 12 five we’re in a positive control air space for a major airport where I lived so they did know what we where about to do but the end of the day it’s the pilots responsibility
The FFA pulled the licenses of both the pilot and the ATC.
Jump pilots are known to get "subtle" pressure to bend the rules and do what they don't want to do.
Disappointment turned into good luck for the 3 that couldn't go.
OK, it's not that hard to do a water landing. The important skill is not to panic. Just release your parachute immediately upon touching water and carefully swim out from under the canopy. You can breathe under the canopy as long as your head is above water, and you need to carefully extricate yourself from the shroud lines. That's not a hard skill to master, and if your're planning on jumping ANYWHERE near water, it's worth training in a pool.
Thanks for this as I was wondering why so many drowned. I have no experience or knowledge on this whats so ever, but I was wondering why they couldn't come out from under their shoots...
The problem was not landing in the lake, it was the water temperature. They died due hypothermia.
@@24JJ821: The encumbrance was their soaked clothing and harness.
How many times have you jumped yourself? Everything happens in split-seconds - getting rid of the parachute and the protective gear while you're in the water and soaked with the strings wrapped around is a nightmare. Even though these were experienced divers this was the first time in water which they were not prepared for . The lucky two were rescued by a passing boat .
@jkardez4794 You are obviously what sky divers refere to as a whoofo. Parachutes do not have "strings", if you are going to make connents about something you do not know diddly squat about, perhaps you should think about the advice of keeping your mouth shut and letting people speculate as to whether or not you are a total moron instead of talking and removing any and all doubt. Futher more, why do you make the assumption that none of the jumpers had never made a water jump? I made several intentional water jumps, when this accident occurred an intentional water jump was one of the requirements to obtain a USPA D license.
First to watch ya video bro. Keep going❤❤
BFD
I've been following you long enough that i remember you posting this a few yrs ago.
Don't think I'd be able to live with myself after that.
I had a few jumps under my belt when I moved out west and considered resuming. I contacted various skydiving outfits. While I was speaking with one guy, I asked him if his outfit was the one that had several fatalities in separate circumstances. He admitted it, but blamed the first jumpers !
Some people are just criminally delusional.
How awful for them to see the water coming at them and not land! So many things went wrong and my heart is with all involved in this horrible incident that could have been prevented.
they splashed in ok, but the weight of their gear dragged them down very quickly. The two who were saved managed to remove most of the gear and they were able to float.
@@adotintheshark4848 I'm not a skydiver. What gear would cause them to sink that fast? I realize the chute is bulky but didn't they have a quick release back then?
What an incredible, royal screwup this was. The pilot had no clue where he was and couldn't see the ground. And the parachutists left the airplane without telling him or alerting him? Did the pilot not notice that his airplane behaved just a little differently when he lost roughly 3,100 to 3,500 lb of payload (my rough guesstimate)? In 1967, were transponders on all aircraft? That is, did both the B-25 and the Cessna squawk codes at the air traffic controllers at Cleveland Center? If they did not, I can understand how the new controller might have been confused. The previous controller should have pointed to the radar scope and told him which was which. The pilot deserved to lose his pilot's license and I would have seriously considered criminal prosecution.
Thanks for all the graphical recreation!
Not a plane crash but still a loss of so many life’s due to negligence on both sides. 😢
Damn! Just from watching the "progress" of this flight (mission) I actually broke out with a sweat on seeing those skydivers being released where they jumped. What a horrible feeling they must of encountered once they broke through the clouds!
Yep. The "horrible feeling" would have been "I know better than to jump INTO clouds....period." Everyone gets some blame on this one: the pilot, ATC, and the jumpers.
I don’t understand. Skydivers can’t swim or tread water? Wouldn’t they be able to immediately call for help?
parachutes are heavy. if they didn't get free and clear of the chute immediately upon reaching the water, they would sink with it.
@adrianmizen5070 They exited the aircraft several miles from shore and there was none one to call for help. Most likely the died due to hyperthermia.
@@billsanders5067 that could definitely be the case too if it were cold weather. i wonder how long it would have taken search & rescue to find them
@adrianmizen5070 If I recall there was an organized search conducted. The problem was no one knew that there was a problem until none of the jumpers landed on the DZ. Also the pilot could not have been sure about exactly were the jumpers exited the jump plane.
Many could swim but there was four foot breakers. Small craft warnings out. Treading water wouldn't for long.
They weren't charged for the jump cos they would end up paying with their lives!
Had a similar experience years ago when we were cleared by air traffic control and wound up being in the middle of the Mississippi River. Two landed on an island and myself and another landed on a wooded hunters road. No injuries or casualties.
How horrifying! So many mistakes. Such miscommunication. All things considered, it's amazing two survived. These were all experienced sky divers and yet they chose to ignore the rule of not jumping through clouds. Terrible price to pay. RIP 16 souls.
I actually find it more amazing that all the others died. Why? In a not-freezing lake.
@@charlesmiller3278 In heavy gear attached to a parachute. Would have sunk like stones.
@@margeebechyne8642Yep, nowadays on some drop zones near big water you have to wear a swim west. And nowadays the the gears are not that heavy as in former days.
Five miles from shore is a long swim
@@bobcoy2074 I imagine they used Butterfly swimming stroke, which is notorious for inducing rapid fatigue. Probably should have tried back-stroke instead.
One of the many, many reasons I refuse to skydive. I feel just awful for those men, breaking through the clouds and going, oh, s***! Im going in the drink! What an agonising way to go. All I can think of is, WHAT was he thinking of, dumping those men into cloud cover? Has he lost his MIND? I hope he had his pilot's licence revoked!
It's a lot safer than you think. I've been injured many more times skiing than in 15 years of jumping. Odds of you getting killed jumping are about 1 in 145,000. Safer than riding in a car.
wow first time you are doing a different video, nice
My dad was supposed to be on this jump, but he told my mom that he had a weird feeling about it. He felt like he shouldn’t go. She was like, then you should go. So he didn’t.
My older brother is actually named after a good friend of my dad that died that day.
Crazy!
Can't imagine how all those Parachute Jumpers died. May those who drown Rest in Peace
Back in 1967 communication technologies weren't much developed unlike today
True but this was human error.
@@danpatterson8009 And plain thoughtlessness. The Cessna and B-25 could have communicated by radio, for one thing. The controller going off shift could have told his relief, "don't mix up these planes, there's one full of skydivers and they HAVE to reach their drop zone."
Back in 10,000BC the internet didn't exist unlike today.
Safety should always be number 1!
Drove past that airport last week and was explaining to my friend about what happened. I always think of them.
As experienced skydivers, they knew they’re not supposed to jump through clouds, but chose to do so anyway…just because the pilot says go, doesn’t mean they should.
When boarding they were told they wouldn’t be charged and didn’t have to pay for the jump. They must’ve thought it was their lucky day hearing that.
That is a DC3, not a B-25. Two very different aircraft.
This human error is so typic. Be it flying, bikes, sking, climbing. There is always people ignoring the red flags.
These were my brothers instructors. Needless to say he gave up skydiving
The animated airplane shown is not a B-25, it's a C-47 transport plane. The civilian version is a DC-3.
None Of The Planes In This Video Are B-25s!!!
He mentions that it wasn't the real plane near the beginning.
@@hadassahsoddsandends Thx, I missed that.
That’s a DC3, not a B25.
Odd that the pilot, after expressing his concerns about hoping he didn't release them over water, proceeds to let two other people jump. Weird. He should ceased all operations and flown back to the airport ASAP
Imagine flying on a small plane to jump, and the pilot has to borrow your headphones because he doesn't have any.
Can you say, "I think I'll jump right now."
The pilot forgetting his earphones in no way was a contributing factor in the cause of this accident.
@@billsanders5067 Didn't say it was. Did say it would not instill any confidence in me about the pilot, though. Isn't that a bit like an astronaut forgetting a helmet? Or a police officer forgetting his badge or uniform or service weapon? Or, oh, I don't know, a pilot forgetting his headphones? Did he remember his wallet? Did he forget his glasses? Did he remember to put new batteries in his pacemaker? Did he at least remember to set the mixture after lifting off or was that still set rich? How long until he forgets to put the landing gear down on approach?
You know, there is a simple solution... he can keep the headphones ON THE PLANE like most pilots and plane owner/pilots do. Not like he's flying different jumbo jets around the world and has to keep his own headphones in case there aren't a set on the plane already.
A few years ago I wanted to explore and try parachuting. After talking to my brother in law, who I love like my own brother, he advised me to reconsider. Why risk my life being aged in mid forties with a great job, a beautiful wife and 4 children? I have never thought about doing this or anything risky ever since. Seeing this video brings that conversation to mind as if it were yesterday. My prayers and deepest condolences go out to the families and loved ones of the 16 jumpers that perished in that day.
How did you get a great job?!
3 years after this incident, the same B25 was destroyed in a crash killing a different pilot.
My late father purchased this B-25 after this incident. It had been nicknamed The Black Widow. It later crashed killing the pilot.
so he knows he cant drop anyone through cloud layers and first decides to hold, and then proceeds to do it anyway while over the lake. genius.
I can't always look at the screen when I'm listening to these stories, and some people can't read, so it would be a lot better if someone could audibly tell us the story along with having the text there ❤ thank you for your hard work
Umm nobody has to do it the way you want, you have no control over how content creators create content.
@@starstatusvillarreal3747 get a dictionary and look up the word "suggestion" and then argue with the wall about it
The channel tried it once but it ended up feeling awkward and many didnt like it so he returned to the original version (this)
As in many accidents, it was a series of mistakes that added up to a fatal result. Only the government was sued (for the error of the ATC), but rather than that resulting from an impartial evaluation of all contributing factors, it was a matter of who could be held liable under existing law.
The good old Swiss Cheese model..
Ninety percent of this accident was due to the mistake on the part of the ATC. The plane actually made two jump runs. One jumper exited on the the first jump run and landed on the DZ.
Imagine the air traffic controller that was originally working the flight. Probably got home and turned on the news to see what happened
OMG, I kept praying the pilot was going to realize he wasn't where he thought he was before the skydivers left the plane to jump. 💔😭😭😭
Same here...
Can somebody describe how did they drown ? They got tangled on the parachute ? Or they got dragged down by the weight of it. Or how, how those two got their asses out of there
My question also
The two that survived managed to jettison some of the heavier elements of their rig ... boots, helmet, gloves, jumpsuits. Conditions were said to be very cold in the water, and, of course, without life vests they would have quickly been overcome with fatigue and hypothermia as they attempted to tread water. Terrible.
Good question. It was late August and Lake Erie is pretty warm then. Maybe they got smothered under their parachutes.
@@t.p.mckenna source?
There were small craft warnings out as there was a storm brewing. The lake had four foot breakers.
Good video
Allow me to make a minor correction: the aircraft that carried the jumpers was a military version of DC3, not B25. The military version of DC3 was heavily used during WWII as carrying paratroopers.
The Wiki story also reports the plane as a B-25.
That changes the whole thing, there's no bomb bay or turret and turret hatch on the dc3/c47. The video said the plane pictured was not the plane flown on the incident flight.
The airplane was a WW2 B-25 un modified Mitchell like Jimmy Dolittle used on the Tokyo Raid
en.wikipedia.org › wiki › Doolittle_Raid
I read about this on Dark Records channel, an absolutely horrible way to go.
And worse, apparently a boat was very close to the divers yet chose to ignore them and leave them to die.
RIP to all 16 skydivers.
I read that the boat could not see the divers, there was a choppy surface on the lake and the parachutes had already sunk out of sight, most likely most of the ones that died had already been pulled under. I just don't understand how none of them thought to take off their skydiving helmets and other heavy gear prior to impacting the water. From a 3,000' chute deployment that's 2-3 minutes to think about what to do for a water landing.
@@MadFox-jr6byYes, I wondered about that. A friend of my dads since childhood was a skydiver for many years, 1 of the best in my country, in fact he was chairman of the skydiving accident investigation board. 1 day with over 14,000 jumps under his belt, he was out just doing a few practice jumps.... and his chute didnt deploy. It wasnt high altitude, just a regular jump, so he didnt have much time, but he did the only thing, that could give him a chance. He curled up and made sure to land on his thigh bone. And he lived. His thigh bone was shattered, he went through several surgeries over the next couple of years and a lot of metal in his leg, but he is alive and well to this day over 30 years later with just a slight limp and ofc being a human weather predictor.
He had very little time, yet he reacted in the few seconds, he had, and it saved his life. Maybe it was his huge experience as a competition jumper as well as doing formations for years, maybe it was his experience from the accident investigation board. But he did something to try to save himself. Im truly shocked, that none of these guy apparently did anything.
@@MadFox-jr6by it's not enough time! They were in shock!
@@MadFox-jr6by Because of the cold water?
No. This happened on August 27th. Lake Eerie surface water temps that time of year are around 72 degrees F. They drowned from not disconnecting their gear and chute and being pulled under. @@surf2257
There's no way I'm going up in a plane and I sure as hell am not going to jump out of a perfectly good plane especially not being able to see what I'm jumping into, I guess these are the risks you have to take if ya want to be an adrenaline junky, I'm fine being a ground squirrel lol
🙏 to the 16 people that lost their lives in this terrible accident and their families 🙏
Then you've missed out on a lot of fun, and a wonderful world by letting fear rule your life. Granted, I'm not going to skydive, but I have traveled and flown a lot, and continue to do so. Very sad when fear cancels out sensible adventure.
@@donnabaardsen5372 I'm almost 50yrs old, I've traveled with my stepdad in his big rig growing up all over America and I've been on vacations all over America, I've traveled plenty, you don't have to fly to travel lol I would like to see Europe before I die but I still don't have to fly I can easily take a cruise ship. I'm not knocking people for flying don't get me wrong, It's a fact it's safer than traveling in a vehicle but I'm scared of heights so it's a big HELL NO for me!!! 😂🤣
There is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane
I haven’t seen a perfectly good plane. I don’t think one exists.
Thanks for the note
The plane pictured and discussed is NOT a B-25. It is a C-47 (military designation) and a DC-3 (civilian designation) It has a service ceiling of 24,000 ft. WTF?
He did disclose that it was not the same plane depicted but I do not know why he does it that way sometimes? Why not just show the correct plane?
i was taking a course for skydiving. when i was out watching other jumpers, and saw one that the wind grabbed him as he was landing, and dragged him through a turnip farm, that really tore up his body. he did survive but was badly hurt to almost dying. i quit the course that day.
We used to work the jumps at Ft Bragg. I was a medic. On one jump the man landed wrong because his shoot opened too late. I'll never get that image out of mind. 🥺🥺😣😣
He didn't survive.
There's no way I'd ever leave a perfectly good airplane for a thrill... parachute or not!!
Don't worry you will never ever jump out of a perfectly good airplane, there is no such thing as a perfectly good airplane.
Air traffic control was a major part of the tragedy.
I never understood how people had the guts to skydive for fun. You’re risking your life every time you jump out that plane it’s a 50/50 chance you might not survive. I had a friend who wanted to go bungee jumping in San Diego . He asked me if I wanted to go I was like are you insane I don’t play Russian roulette with my life
So stupid words! The most people die in a bed! Also car driving, swimming, etc. is not without risk!
@@gelberalterdoppeldecker7142 I might die this ways but I won’t die jumping out of a plane
@@gelberalterdoppeldecker7142 I bet their families don’t think my post was stupid. They mostly likely would still be here enjoying life with family if they would’ve never jumped out that plane
@@MrDereklewis1985 The odds of getting killed skydiving are about 1 in 145,000. About 38,000 die every year in cars in the US. Bet you still drive a car. Annual jumping fatalities run around 15 or 20 depending on the year.
I love that he never let them know they’ll have to pay. That’d be like question #1 on my list before I even saw the aircraft.
He didn't charge them
As a skydiver I can tell you the we will lime up like lemmings inorder to.log a jump out af a unique aircraft, especially a war bird or helicopter.
I wonder how the pilot felt when he heard what happened…
He cracked open the champagne
The video talks about a B-25 bomber, i.e. a North American B-25C Mitchell bomber, but it shows a Douglas DC-3, also called a skytrain, and in the military version it was the DC-47. Very well researched.
I grew up near this airport and my father told me about this tragedy years ago.
My heatfelt condolences to all those brave divers who unfortunately lost their lives. This was a very tragic disaster which could easily have been avoided.
I've always liked your videos, but there seems to be a big jump in video quality/production generally in this video -- nice job!
Hard to believe that so many jumped out when they not only know the visual jump rules, but can not see where they are jumping into ...
Airplane in the video is a Douglas DC 3, or a military C-47. It is not a bomber and not a B-25. I have jumped out of planes, but always in view of the target, otherwise you don't know when to jump.
Just awful..so many mistakes made..i hope those responsible were punished !!
They all made mistakes including the jumpers.
@@SultanKhan66indeed but they didnt all die for them
@@lolabellacat299- the jumpers knew they were the ones most at risk of death
@@johneyon5257 yes im sure they did...but they didnt cause it ..someone else did
@@lolabellacat299 - you seem to want to avoid accepting what other posters are saying here - the jumpers DID CAUSE their deaths by jumping - despite skydiving protocol saying they shouldn't - if anyone said "i shouldn't jump when i can't see the ground" - that person would have made down alive - the cause-effect linkage is pretty clear
Sounds like a lot more than just one mistake
Indeed there were a number of contributing factors.
“Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time have come.” ~ Tussman’s Law.
I think the narrative mixes up Ortner and VORTAC as points of takeoff.
That's a DC-3, not a B-25.
He mentions that it wasn't the real plane near the beginning.