Does the Kemper Profiler SUCK Now?
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Hey kids! Its Uncle Ben Eller, and i'm here to ask the vital question: Does the Kemper Profiler SUCK now??? We've got Fractals, we've got incredible plugins, we've got the Helix, the Quad Cortex....and of course, more REAL AMPS than ever to make sick tones with!
I used the Kemper Profiling Amp for a long time... until i got my Fractal. But for this episode of Meet the Machines, i'm resurrecting the Kemper and digging deep into some of my old favorite profiles to try and determine if this piece of gear still has what it takes!!!
In this video, i'll take you through some of my favorite profiles from The Amp Factory, STL Tones, Tone Crate, and more, plus give you my realtime first impressions of the latest Kemper updates and how they changed the effects (especially the delays and reverbs) plus the newest Rig Manager update! Its a hoot AND a holler!!!
I plan on doing a BIG comparison video between the Kemper and the Axe FX 3, so please let me know what you want to see in that video in the comments section!!! - Hudba
Thanks for watching me revisit the Kemper again!!! What do you want to see in my Kemper versus Axe FX 3 breakdown video?
Thanks so much Ben for doing this video. It's because of your Kemper video back when you were going through Eddie's profiles that I plan on getting one for myself.
Please do an A/B between the two comparing Eddie's sounds and profiles. I can't help it...I'm still binging very heavy EVH. RIP Eddie
I'll give you a $100 for that Kemper. Deal?
I’d like to get your thoughts on which one better for recording…for sitting in mixes.
I have never tried the kemper and though it has a few benefits like the formant filter which sounds cool. I think overall as a more versatile unit I would definitely go for the axe fx iii
yes
If you can’t get killer tones from Kemper… it’s not the kemper
100%
You hit it right there :)
Totally agree!
indeed he misses some insights on what to do or better what not to do. Anyways if fractal is more his thing ...whatever makes you feel good.is the way to go:-). I own both and kemper is by far , for me, the go to.
@@yves-zv5ey some people use both! Sounds awesome.
The transparency of your process is fantastic. Thanks for not editing out the goofy bits. Great work as always, uncle Ben!
I have a hunch that it is not Kemper who sucks, but guitarists like me who arent working in their skill hard enough)
There is a little bit of a learning curve to the Kemper. Took me a few weeks to figure out what i was doing wrong. I also prefer it through a real cab and not FRFR.
The kemper still holds it own even after all these years I fucking love mine and always will
@Cire Rednulk exactly. Regardless, why would anyone expect something like this to sound identical to a tube amp. People set themselves up for disappointment and cry it sucks. I see so many bands use these live it’s clear people like them and trust them enough to gig with.
Kemper is great at getting the given configuration of an amp, but at soon as you modify this setting using Kemper's buttons, you're adding the modification as Kemper sees it, not as the original amp sees it (the eq and gain levelling of each amp is different and the Kemper can't capture this). The further you go from the original setting the less you gonna sound like a real amp. Kemper is great at taking a picture (a given configuration), not at making a movie (messing with the configuration).
Well said.
good point.
Exactly what I was thinking watching this. Most profiles are made accounting for their specific level of gain. If you wanted a lower gain equivalent you'd just make/get another profile, not turn down a knob.
It still sounds good when you tweak settings. The issue is that it doesn't behave the same as the real amp would. For example something like a Silver Jubilee that has reactive EQ. I prefer this since it reduces tweaking time.
That is the best analogy I have heard regarding what a Kemper does.
It is funny how when you have a lot of gear, it comes in-and-out of use and our lives in such interesting (or even seemingly innocuous) ways. The feeling that comes back can be one of reverence or indifference, but either way, nostalgia provides a lot.
Thanks, Uncy Bang!
I’ve had every iteration of the Kemper and currently have the Stage and powered Kabinet. They’re great for live. This pandemic has seen me pick up an HX Stomp and an FM3. I totally get why the Fractal stuff appeals more to people used to certain amps and their controls. My FM3 is my favourite to play through at home and it makes home recording so simple with the inbuilt interface. In the studio, I’ll use whichever solution works, whether it’s plugins, the Stomp, the Kemper, the FM3 or my amps. They all have their strengths and there are great tones in all of them, once you learn their idiosyncrasies. Whichever workflow fits you best. On the whole, I feel that Kemper is analogous to an amp and stomp boxes, whereas the Fractal is more like a Bradshaw rack system. Both in tone and complexity/flexibility.
Glad to see a new gear video. Great on the uploads recently Ben.
I find that if you turn down the "Definition" instead of the Gain, it doesn't change the profile characteristics. A lot of profiles have the Definition up to 10. Between 5-7 is the sweet spot.
I hear what everyone is saying but honestly just tweak a few settings on your Kemper and you can get any killer tone you want. I've had mine for 4 years and I haven't looked back at analog since. But hey, to each their own...rock on brothers and sisters! Find your tone and create! :) Peace
What tweaks gave you made? Would love to hear. My guess is that it is in the first three cabinet settings.
Can you share?
@@rockstarr9000 Sm 50 OD is my go to I just add a little more gain and I'm good with that. I haven't had any issues with roll off or loss of tone when backing off volume and there's always your low, mid, and high knobs you can adjust to eq that particular profile. Endless possibilities for tone IMO
My biggest issue with the Kemper is its complete lack of dynamic range. Basically it sounds like someone took the original amp, put attenuated everything above 10k and put a hard limiter compression on the audio. Again this works for recordings that were going to be compressed in mastering anyways, but it's just lacking the dynamics that a real amp would have. All in all though, gigging with one in a mix at loud volumes for a cover band that likes to get tone as authentic as possible, this thing works great. But for me, every time I revisit the Kemper in anyway I quickly remind myself of this.
I really wish that he would make a Kemper 2 now that processing power has essentially tripled that could do more dynamics. Chris Kemper did this with the Access by releasing a second one, so i'm really confused why the Kemper cant get the same treatment. Even Line 6 has addressed this issue with a recent updated of the Helix, and that was a complete and total game changer for people like me that are sensitive to this.
@@lorenmorgan1931 I play mine through my headset DT 990 Pro and it sounds very dynamic to me BUT I recently saw Rabea's review of it comparing it to other profilers and I could hear what you're talking about. Even with this "issue" I can still tweak mine to tones I really like but I have a few favorite go to presets that I always use because the other preset profiles don't work for me at all. These new profilers also seem much more user friendly and I agree the processing power is only getting better with each passing day. Hopefully Kemper will bring out a new edition to solve your issues but for me I really am totally content with what I get out of my Kemper. Peace brother and I hope you find the tone you're looking for.
What your doing is one of my favorite things to do once a year..
Every time I've ever found a tone I really liked ive wrote down and took pictures of all knob settings on amps pedals and guitars and once a year I alway find myself going way back to what I really liked in my late teen years and its awesome to get all time machine with your past self
Not sure if you use these parameters or not, but I love what the "character" and "amp volume" controls can do. Character is killer for making it behave and feel more real, and "amp volume" enables you to simulate the amp being cranked up a bit.
The eq bit is spot on. I like oodles of gain and it took me longer than it should have to start removing highs and lows. I thought I was destined to own every fizzy amp ever made. Now I use a frown curve on pretty much all heavy tones and I'm much happier with all my heads.
I kind had the same experience with gain and treble. Essentially rolled both down to the point where I'm like ok this is definitely not going to be enough of either. Nowhere close. Turns out my intentionally turning them way too far down was probably closer to where I wanted it than where I was before.
"Don't worry, things are gonna get better. He was homeschooled." Thanks for all the laughs along with the lessons!
Kemper is phenomenal. Doesn't matter what year it is. It sounds phenomenal. I produce rock and punk bands for a living and it makes things sooooo quick too. One of the best purchases ever.
Killer content as always, Uncle Ben. My favorite profiles lately have been the Fortin Meshuggah pack from Replicant Audio. They sound good with everything! I was wondering what frequencies are you chopping off in our hi and lo pass EQ?
Man, it must have been quite the experience receiving years of updates (rather significant ones too) in one go. Haha, now I wish I hadn’t performed every update as they were released because after one another they were all like… mmkay, sure, maybe a little better than before 😂 The unit sure has come a long way and it was really nice to be reminded of that! Nice video, thanks! // Wince
Would love a video on how you make your guitar videos. A little meta, but I always love seeing the behind the scenes stuff!
I know it's not exactly the same, but it kinda reminds me of how the metal zone (even the waza) sounds to my ear after switching to the Revv G3. Going back just exposes how much my ear has changed over the years.
Revv G3 = godsend of a pedal
Adding like 1-2 on direct mix in amplifier settings, brings so much clarity and pleasantness to any metal sounding profile. It's a powerful tweak
Ahh the memories of tones past, how much better they sounded in our memory than when we try em again. But just some knob tweeken and soul seekin your happy ears will be Freakn 🤘🏽.
Did you try turning it off and back on?
Edits to come
The dog ( Turkey, lol my cat is named Goose) is really looking cool as he grows! What a cutie! Great show Uncle Ben!!!
There's a free "Rust in peace" sound somewhere in the Rig Manager that sounds really similar to the actual album. :) Would be nice if you could get your hands on a Kemper Cabinet to see what you think about it.
I have 10 nice guitars, and the one that I go to is my gretsch black falcon. For some reason those filtertron pups just work perfectly with the kemper tones when recording. My Lp supreme is second for double tracking.
And I always use an east river drive but turn the gain down on the profile. Totally happy with kemper for recording.
Great video UNK. That Archon sounded awesome and I was just listening to my phone no headphones. And whatever that thick metal tone was after it. Time to get some NEW GEAR for me.
Glad you enjoyed it
I used to use a Line 6 POD HD Pro and upgraded to the Kemper Rack in last year. Best buy I ever made.
I love the studio eq effect. Helps with cutting thru the mix and cleaning up the low and high end.
Great demo Ben, I have an Axe III and a Kemper and use both regularly. The Axe is more tweakable, but for some reason the Kemper sits better in a mix. It seems to capture all the crap things about an amp, crap things that make it punch through a mix a bit better. They did an update a few years ago that fixed the low end problem with a lot of profiles.
this was a great video! as someone who is trying to decide between the axe fx and kemper that comparison video would offer a ton of insight!
Interesting that the first example you played sounded exactly like my old cheap Eagle strat copy going straight into my old Carlsbro practice amp. Interesting choice of sound, Unka Ben. 😉
Great video. It’s kind of hard to keep comparing a kemper to an axe fx. Modelers are different from profilers and respond in a completely different manner.
For high gain profiles you really can't go wrong with Josh Middleton's (Architects, Sylosis) Heavy Tones Bundle 3. They come pre-EQ'ed and sound amazing. Love the vids btw!
They sound like someone put a blanket over the cabinet.
Great video again! Joining patreon today.. does either the Kemper or Axe fx clean up with use of the guitar volume knob? I’m using Bias fix in my daw now but it doesn’t clean up from the guitar on dirty tones..looking for a change. Thanks!
When you get around to making it, a comparison of turning down the gain on each unit would be interesting! You've shown us how that works on the Kemper, but is it better/worse/the same on an Axe FX?
Waaaaaaaaaaaay better on Fractal. I’ll totally show that in the video.
I've found using my own custom IRs made a huge difference in my tone and in some cases more better. There were even some packaged rigs that I changed out the cab and instantly changed the sound from good to amazing.
Also, I still love my Kemper because it works for me. the software updates have made some major improvements and keeps me excited to experiment with several settings. My primary project right now is a Thrash band, so I mostly use a Sinmix profile based on the Razor SINAMP with a Friedman 2x12 v30 IR.
I've had my KPA for a little over 2 years now. It's still to this day the best piece of gear I have ever bought. Absolutely no regrets. No looking back. The only thing I wish I would have done was profile my Egnater Armageddon before I sold it. Once you learn the Kemper it pays for itself 10x over in my opinion.
Great to hear!
@@BenEller also love me some killer Uncle Ben Content 🤘🏻 more " Things (band) does" videos!
If you ever showed up at my studio with that thing you'd be asked to leave.
@@OpusLoveProductions Yeah, giving you full control over almost every parameter you can think of, any amp and effect. While at the same time tracking a clean DI signal without the need of a box so that you could reamp later? Don't be a snob man. It's ok to love analog and Tube. I still do! But you're being rather ignorant about it.
@@karterestill You can do all that with a laptop. For the price of that thing you could buy yourself some real gear that won't be obsolete in a year. And just maybe you won't sound like everybody else. its a great way the throw a few grand in the garbage thats for sure.
Tones are mostly pretty sweet, but I’m surprised you’re not using your Revv mkIII Generator 120 with the built in Two Notes hardware. My G20 with the stock 4x12 preset is perfect for recording.
I can imagine that TriRec and 5153 tons layering well together. Good stuff Ben!
An interesting thing about that gain reduction thing is that given how the Kemper captures dynamic range, I think reducing gain on the Kemper itself ends up being way more akin to reducing your guitar volume. Obviously you aren't messing with the gain control during profiling, so the Kemper only knows how to model that behavior by how the amp responds with different voltage levels being fed into it. Rolling back your volume on more saturated high gain amps does tend to produce these sorts of shittier results.
This reminds me to revisit my digitech metal master. Thought i sounded like hetfield back then
I would love to have a Kemper, just way out of my price range. I did my first and only record using a couple real amps and a RP360. EQ played a huge role in getting the frizziness in the 15-20K area out. Thanks for the cool vids Ben!
So I tend to use more low gain profiles and add gain when needed but I never noticed a loss when lowering the gain knob. Have you updated your kemper? I loved the high gain 5150 from fluff... ahh just got to where you updated
It’s all in the definition setting! I’ve had the kemper stage awhile now! Beats the crap out of carrying a tube amp and pedal board! My load in and out takes two trips now; not 5!
Uncle Ben! Noticing you do alot of picking with your fingers and the pick on some of those tasty lead runs! Do you have a video breaking some of that technique down to stepdad speed?
Yeah man, the hybrid picking thing infested my playing years ago and now it’s just automatic! I love it.
i made the switch to the Kemper earlier this year and i couldn't be happier - i run it like a preamp into my G Force into a Fryette 292 into 2 4x12's
I've been curious about your thoughts on the Kemper these days... still love mine to death. It really is just about finding the right rigs for your personal tastes. I agree, Sinmix is amazing and I've bought all of Gregors stuff... Deadlight/Tonehammer are also the shit. I've owned both the Fractal and Kemper for years and can't choose a clear winner, but being a metal guy I lean towards the Kemper somewhat 😁👍🏻
This video takes me back to a store us older guitar folk remember well. Yep, you’d have to go to an actual place to hear these shredderific tones. Oh Guitar Center, Temple of Shred, we miss you so 🙌🏼
I have the powered lunchbox. Absolutely love the tones through a Mesa cab. It's a bit different if you're using it in the studio for recording and running direct. Thought I'd add, love it for live shows. Setup in a minute or two.
That EVH stealth sounds like a Gary Holt tone. Dug it.
I think the tone shaping options in the Kemper beats most tube amp. The definition control is very powerful, and you can even adjust your pick attack, power amp sag, tube shape etc. It’s true that the knobs doesn’t work exactly like the profiled amp, but I never felt adjusting them make them sound any less realistic. Out of all the profiles I got, perhaps I like only 10% of them, but I can really tweak those to sound absolutely amazing.
I liked the Archon profile the best…..along with the early jcm800 one you had. That’s usually what I use in my fractal….and the Jcm 800 2204 sitting in my room…..🤟🏼 I’d like to hear the jcm800 models in both units in a shoot out ! 🙏🏼
I think you should check out Lasse Lammert’s Lee Jackson GP-1000 profile. He’s got the download for it in his video description. Good Alexi Laiho and Marshally shred tone
My new QC put my FM3 and Kemper on reverb. I still have the AX3 for my studio. I have used Fractal for over a decade.
@@70mcnevin Funny this coming from someone that doesn't even have one. I captured some rare amps with mine and it nailed it. The quality of amps is actually outstanding and on par with my FM3;. It has so many pluses compared to any other floor modeler out there. How many amps do you really need 200? How many delay/verbs and amps can Kemper use in 1 preset compared to QC? Im having hell a good time being a beta tester..lol All other floor units will be judged by the QC, like it or not. It is a new product and Im so glad they built this for guitarist. It gets even better from here on out.
The JCM 800 pack from Andy (TAF) is my fav since years. Try these profiles also with other cabs. A sound universe and best live tones. Never reduce gain of a profile, better look for another profile with less gain. Years ago Gregorzc from Sinmix told me, never touch the eq for my profiles😁😁😁using the kpa since 2014 I must say that the sounds and the updates are top of the list. Atm I can also recommend to try thu overloud. Also cool recording sounds.
I remember when you first got that thing. It was unbelievable what it was able to do when it came out. Funny how things change.
How’s the “feel” ? I’ve only played through my AX8 as far as modelers go…..it’s pretty good I guess, but obviously not as sensitive as a tube head/tube rack pre…..how does it compare to the fractal for you ? (Like guitar volume down stuff….how it cleans up)
where do you set your low and high cuts? does it depend on the source or is it usually at the same frequency?
I have that Brody Uttley RON profile too! I got a ton of great hi-gain tones off of Tone Crate, a ton of them seem to feature that Fortin 33 boost pedal, I think it's pretty similar to misha's precision drive
Key with Kemper is figuring out the Cabinet (IR) and EQ. Also - what is your signal chain into your DAW?
Best tone I have seen is a Friedman BE100 through an OxBox
Great Video Ben. Are you able to tell me what delay setting (type) you used on your 17minute profile? it had a nice stereo image to it. Really enjoyed your comments as well. Not too bad for a home schooled boy :)
Thanks for the learnin!
Great vid Uncle Ben!
Great video Ben, Trirec profile from Me still smokes. But we need to try Quad Cortex now hahaha.
I remember when You covered "Brother John" by Joe Satriani back in 2014 with this amp as part of Your setup, Just Awesome.
Good one. I personally have no problems changing gain on the Kemper and how it sounds through a cab, but what do I know.
Thank you for this video. I’m considering swapping my Triple Rec head for a Kemper. Would you? Looking forward to the Axe and Kemper comparison.🤘🏻
Thank you for the video Ben and thanks for just explaining what you forgot about the sound. It is even more helpful and nice to know you are not perfect :)
if possible it's always nice to revisit your old tones, you catch things haha
Man, those Wes Hauch profiles sound crushing! Are they commercially available?
I have the Kemper rack, a Koch ATR-4502 poweramp and a fantastic 2 x 12 inch cabinet with Creambacks. I think the sound is fantastic. I have several tube amps and great cabinets, but to be honest they are covered in dust here. But it's true what you say Ben, reducing a profile won't do any good. Then you have to start tweaking your profile again.
Ben, do you monitor your playing through desktop studio monitors when recording, practicing, etc. like in this video?
I think you would want that boomy low end on the jcm 800 if you’re doing a piece with only one guitar, EVH style
That Ibanez sounds so good, it puts the Suhr in the shade 😎
Nice video. I am not sire which way to go with buying a unit for studio use (mostly). But a Kemper, or buy some other unit out there with so many on the market these days. It gets confusing for sure. Nice playing also Ben...
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Hey Ben ! :) I also thought that chaing gain and mastervolume simply does not work like on a amp that is why i made profiles D.I. and with all relevant gain and mastervolume settings and different combinations and that was just a game changer
You're right on the whole gain knob thing. When ever I would reduce in the eq or gain, it made the profile sound completely different, and usually worse.
I don’t know how this isn’t what EVERYONE TALKS ABOUT in regards to the Kemper.
@@BenEller Yeah, that's pretty crazy. I always just figured I didn't gel with it, or user error on my end. Definitely reassuring to see someone else had that same problem with it.
That‘s actually the Kemper working as intended. It is much closer to a sampler - for the lack of a better word / concept - than a modeller. You want more gain and more treble? Set your amp up accordingly and profile it that way. I shot 24 profiles in total of my JCM 800 (8 base sound x 2 cabs, direct w/o cab), i.e. one profile per gain level and „bright / neitral / dark“ timbre. EQing or trying to tweak profile is a surefire way to Plastctown.
@@Gonzo2707 Gotchya. Like I said, user error on my end.
@@70mcnevin Yeah, that's basically where I was a few years ago. Don't get me wrong, the Kemper sounded fantastic. But the only amp I had to profile at the time was a 6505, so I was mostly left to use others' profiles, and ultimately didn't get the most out of it.
All in all, it really showed me just how far digital gear has come, so I'm glad for that experience. But I think I will go with a Fractal FM3(maybe an Ax8) or a Helix this time around.
For low gain tones i found when the gain is low to boost it with an overdrive like a precision drive with the drive at 10 oclock. Great crunchy yet clear low gain tones 👍
Thanks for sharing!
I love all the profile , modeling tech . However I'm slowly heading back to just a great valve head . At least at this time there seems to always be something that these units can't replicate .
How does this compare to software modelling ? Like guitar rig or Logic Pro
Would like to see you profile your dream rig that you had at sweetwater and see if it compares and then build it in the Axe FX3 and compare all 3
Great video, thanks a lot...! HELL YEAH.
What is the Kemper running into for power amps and speakers in that clip? Is it the speakers on the desk?
Hey Uncle Ben, what is your favorite amp and cab for realistically loud home volumes? I primarily play 80’s hair metal Ratt Dokken ect.
Splawn Quick Rod, hands down
Nice! I shared a stage with Rivers of Nihil in Des Moines, playing bass with Divinion.
No you didn’t, but thanks
@@cmurduh1 I sure did. Fri, August 25th, 2013
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@@cmurduh1 I'd share the album, but that would disrespect Ben's channel.
So will this be added back into the rotation?
I had the axefx2 and always felt the tones were dull stock. They lacked highs. The kemper with some tweaking always worked better in a mix. I felt like it took more tweaking to get the axefx2 there. I have not tried the axefx3.
I use a Kemper live through a Marshall 4x12 and have been complemented MANY times on my tone and people saying it sounds incredible at gigs. I bought a profile pack a while back (can’t remember which one), and slightly modified a profile called “Gojira”. And I’ve used it for a ton of gigs and it just sounds so aggressive yet really…smooth and clean. I didn’t need to tweak it much at all, but I found a sweet spot and have just not bothered to touch it since. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it!
I just love my Kemper. Tried to jive w/ the Axe stuff...def cool for sure but I spent more time building presets than I do with the Kemper. Want a Fender Twin...audition profiles until you find one you like instead of making the Twin model work w/ EQ & IRs.
How about home studio tour + guitar collection video. We know that you have DOD Grunge pedal... Just Sayin' 🤣🤘
Rule #1 - take your DOD Grunge and throw it in the trash.
I second this!
Quick question...Ben...when you going to have a signature guitar we can buy? If not that, any chance of seeing a "If i designed my perfect guitar for me" type video?
Thanks Uncle Ben !
I enjoyed mine for a bit, but was constantly tweaking with it. Let it be paid profiles I bought, one's I made, freebies.. it was a lot of tweaking. Bought a Helix and now it's a lot of playing and not a lot tweaking. It was a fun year with mine tho.
Exact opposite for me.
@@khall187 that's the beauty of today. There is something for all of us to find our niche.
We definitely need a head to head brown sound comparison.
I bought my but split with the Axe effect but bought the Kemper because it had its own power amp you have to be careful with what profiles you buy but you say your turn down the gain well you have to adjust the tone on your amp you have to adjust to it if you don't it will sound bad on a real amp your Chanel is awesome and your lesson is amazing cheers
wouldnt having the kemper in front of your monitor affect your judgement a bit?
This was real interesting. Do you own or have you ever played through the Helix?
nope, but i've got buddies that LOVE it!
I don't have kemper but I tried a few TH-U rig libraries profile.. What you describe about turning gain knob down also happens on TH-U. I can accept if it happens in THU since it is cheaper than kemper. But i can't get my head around when that phenomenon also happen in an expensive unit like kemper. Maybe I should try your tips on making hi and low pass, maybe the TH-U will also sound better. Thanks for your tips.
Very cool man!
Tone Junkies clean profiles as incredible. GGD's All the gains pack has great heavy tones
I’d like to see you revisit and compare EVH brown sound tones and newer EVH tones on both units. I’d really be interested to know what you don’t like about the AXE FX3. Also, any Mark Camerron amp presets for either units? Thanks!
the sounds sound really good it might tighten up with a overdrive
Thanks Ben. Very interesting 🙏
Glad you enjoyed it!