New Cycle Analyst 3.2 Beta, Firmware Features (updated regen controls and more)
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- čas přidán 30. 03. 2022
- This video covers some of the new features and additions that are in upcoming in the 3.2 firmware update for the Cycle Analyst device. There is a heavy focus expanding the regenerative braking capabilities with some of the activation modes described in our regen video ( • New Cycle Analyst 3.2 ... ). It also expands the torque sensor behavior to support torque only sensors with no cadence signal, along with some bug fixes and other niceties that are covered in the release notes.
The firmware update is available to beta testers via the CA setup utility application and we look forward to hearing additional feedback before making this into a full release later this month. - Věda a technologie
Power from stand still (decoupling cadence) is an amazing improvement! Thank you!
i don't understand why that is new. can't you just get instant power with a momentary handlebar pushbutton?
@@sidneycowznofski A requirement in some nations and country regulation requiring nothing on the handlebar to control power, this tork system works.
Thanks for the thorough explanation. You've got some great programmers.
I really like the back pedal to activate regen - one bonus is that it lets you use whatever brake levers you want! Where can we get hub motors with integrated torque sensors??
Excellent! Can't wait to try the update. Thanks for all you do at Grin!
Our pleasure!
great new features!
Brilliant
Very cool new regen options. Without an aux button, a good cadence/torque interface would be "regen on with brake tap" and on 100% with no pedal movement, but lower regen the faster you pedal forward. Idea is to regen while converting human power or modulating speed towards your "stop point" (timing red light that will one day turn green). Also the on 100% should have a ramp up time to not be too jerky, but be extra jerky 100% fast with back pedal.
great disclaimer!😄
Thanks!
I just upgraded a bike to Phase Runner and All Axle and moving to this firmware unlocked a lot of great features.
A couple of questions/requests:
1) It would be great to make pedal regen only turn on if I'm also braking with a brake lever (I do have brake lever switches). I often back pedal just to orient cranks for cornering.
2) It was really confusing to figure out that 3.2b3 is newer than 3.15. I kept trying to find these features in 3.15.
3) Unrelated to 3.2b features, I wish there was a way to get geometric increments instead of linear ones on DAux. Example, when using this for PAS/Torque adjustment it would make sense to have 4 steps of 0.5, 1, 2, 4 (2x per step) or 0.5, 0.8, 1.3, 2, 3.3 (1.6x per step) vs 9 steps of 0.5, 1, 1.5, 2, 2.5 ... 4. Linear gives too many useless options (like 3.5 isn't a useful step between 3 and 4 in this example), and geometric more closely matches how most other systems work.
Agreed on item 3, understood about 2 (should really be 3.1.5), 1 is an interesting suggestion we haven't heard before but is doable for sure so will be put in consideration. Thanks for the feedback and glad to hear you've been enjoying the new features so far
Love the music. Not sure about the complexity. But understand the minutia of tech..
Incredible! Are you gonna carry these integrated torque sensor direct drive motors in the near future?
Oh, this looks neat.
Here's a suggestion for the next firmware update : Control over the cruise control via the Multifunction up/down switch. Say, if the Cruise is using speed, the switch could increase/decrease speed, same for wattage or amps. Otherwise it's kind hard to hit the right wattage just by holding the throttle still.
And thanks for the great products and updates !
Thanks for the feedback and there is a way to do this to some effect. Just setup the digi aux function to be your watts limit or your speed limit with a high number of levels. Have your throttle mode set to pass-thru, hold full throttle to engage autocruise and it will take you up to whatever you have set for your limit via the MFSwitch buttons, which you can adjust up or down at any point. Let us know if that does the trick. It's much easier to hold full throttle for your autocruise engage time.
@@GrinTechnologies Oh that's nice ! As far as i'm concerned, it's pretty much exactly what i wanted it to do. And i can go back to full power just by holding the 'up' button for a second or two.
Solar firmware and back pedal regen? Can you make that happen please. It would help me out a ton.
There is soo much information out there and trying to find info that applies to my system is hard. So with this update would I be able to attach a thumb throttle and use it as a ebrake lever,if so could I do this with jauopay front wheel kit. (I am disabled and cant afford much) I have a Ghost Rider chopper bike and the forks wont allow me to have disk brakes on the front with this motor kit and for the back I got just pedal brakes. I am looking to maximize braking through my DD front wheel and I am assuming the ebrake lever on off switch isnt the max potential of the braking that can occur.
Can front DD motors also have integrated torque sensors, that would prevent overspin?
Fantastic, this is exactly the product that I enviosioned, but apparently already exists. Is it fully programmable, I mean, can you also add you own controller software, for those who have software dev skills?
I just want a thinner, more integrated and sleeker design. The functionality is already fantastic. As it looks now, it is the cheapest looking part of my ebike.
WHERE can I get one of these TDCM motors ????
Hey Justin, i hope you could help with a bafang bottom bracket torque sensor, i've been trying to figure out the connection and i got it kind of working, but it has some random spikes of rpm, and regardless if i set 1 wire or 2 i always have to connect Dir and rpm together to have any signal going
Best to do this kind of troubleshooting help via email.
Hi buddy from the uk I have a stealth bomber clone with your controller my mph is constantly flashing it’s brand knew bike I did press by mistake the preset mode and since then it’s flashing mph on main dash it won’t let me get into speed menu many thanks Stewart
THIS IS THE BEST PRODUCT IVE EVER SEEN PLEASE DON'T CHANGE EXACTLY EVERYTHING YOU JUST SAID BECAUSE YOU NAILED IT SERIOUSLY. IM GOING TO BE BUILDING A REPAIR SHOP AROUND THIS WHOLE CONCEPT WITH THIS PART AND PRODUCTS FROM GRINTECH, I DONT CARE ABOUGHT MAKEING MONEY, SO ILL JUST BE BUYING THESE TO SELL AT THE SAME PRICE YOU HAVE ONLINE.
My only fear is more people will find out how useful and amazing a feature packed this tool is, and I won't be able to get more :)
Seriously guys, I have one now on every bike, and the ones that don't I am ordering soon!
Push button for cruise would be a nice addition. I dont see how to quickly and easily set cruise. I have to run a wire all the way down to the controller just for that. Push button to cruise, push again to cancel, brakes cancel... Is that in there anywhere?
There is a throttle autocruise (hold the throttle steady for XX seconds and then it latches), but not a push button cruise mode as such. With PAS sensors the need for cruise is largely negated since it achieves a similar effect and then gives you up/down power or speed control via the Aux inputs.
I can't get pedal regen (3.2b3) to work, the ebrake switch regens, PAS works, the pedal regen indicator shows on the mains screen when back pedalling, but no actual regen. Using an EB312-4110 with throttle-low regen.
What does the throttle output voltage do? And do you have the speed signal working properly? The back pedal regen is only active when the bicycle is rolling, as it needs to clear automatically when the vehicle comes to a stop. So if you don't have a speedometer hooked up to the system to show bike speed then it won't function.
Any update on the v3.2 drop? I’ve got the bike built. Ready for some e-coaster brakes!
It's available in 3.2 beta3 from the setup utility software. We'll probably still have it in beta stage until well into the summer while making refinements, but functionally the bulk of it is there and yours to play with!
What about us guys that have three or four motors any plans for that in the future?
At that point, you probably do want to have the display in high range (kW) mode and so just changing the RShunt to be 1/3rd or 1/4 of the individual controller value will do the trick perfectly.
I have a Crystalite CT4840 Controller. Will this work on my trike setup?
Yes the Stand Alone Cycle Analyst can work with systems that aren't Grin, ebikes.ca/shop/electric-bicycle-parts/cycle-analysts/ca-sa.html
Would anti-lock regen braking be feasible with the CA or Phaserunner? Since you have motor/wheel speed, it seems like it wouldn't be too hard to have it throttle back the brake torque when rotational speed is zero, but maybe the refresh rate is too slow?
For the most part regenerative braking is intrinsically anti-lock. That's one of the beauties about it.
@@GrinTechnologies You mean because of they don't have enough torque? My GMAC locks up very frequently going downhill off road. 10t, 26" wheel, 52v. This would be a great feature to have.
Because it's slowed via magnets and magnets dont lock up
@@bobbobberson9441 oh I must’ve been imagining it lol
would this work on a ncm bike (i heard they make everthing non standard and i want a new not shit screen)
It's only for bikes with an old-school V3 Cycle Analyst display that have proportional regen capable motor controllers.
hello justin weve streamlined an easy big addon for the ca.v3 using a wemos d1mini ,a logic converter and a 5v to 3 v converter it lets you create custom dash screens in torque pro app on your phone ,can even add analogue inputs to show when lights or blinkers are active on the screen for people wanting to register their high power bikes the unit just connects to the ttl output of the cav3 all the parts were under 20 dollars, illsend an email to grin through the week ,and see about posting one to you,im not going to charge for it, as its not all my work, just work out a free how too,and parts list,thanks for all great videos and products
can even remove the screen with this then the whole fits into a tiny box ,i actually like the old look mounted in the frame like some older stealth bikes had,its easier to read ,and have the fancy dash on handle bars, the only thing im having trouble with cav3 is with dual motor power splitting looks like having to build little pcb with little trimpots to limit throttle signal to one or other ,seems theres no easy way to have way to set 100/50, 100/100 for 10 second boost then back 100 rear only
Hey there and very sweet to hear this. Is the wemos board small enough to fit inside the CA3's enclosure itself so that you can have the wifi unit all self contained? We'll look forward to seeing your email and we absolutely encourage people to make use of the TTL output to transmit the data onto more modern display and logging platforms and running with it.
@@katiekumcgil Correct that active management of independent dual motor controls is not available on the CA3 platform, as it only has a single analog output line. However, probably 90% or more of dual motor systems don't require this, you can set in the motor controller throttle map how the power is split between the motors and have them all controlled with a single bus. See czcams.com/video/Ub4EP2_mAds/video.html
How do I control the regen with GG ox control?
What exactly is gg ox?
Are any of your hub motors torque sensing ?
The TDCM HCA5, but we're still developing the ecosystem around it before we make it available to buy.
So fricking cool! Yeah, I'm a nerd LOL!
♡ Nerds!
when are you going to realease a more modern cycle analyst display?
lol wut? NEVER! Fine the way it iz.
@@dogdipstick i have one on my bike already, i love it, but i also lile color lcd
@@francescocaravella4556 Yeah. Do you know you can choose either ORANGE or GREEN backlight for the CA? the device comes with both, a green day light and a night light in orange. You can switch the two.
Yes still only single color, but just like Ford said... "Any customer can have a car painted any colour that he wants, so long as it is black."!!!
Yup, the disclaimer at the beginning " When dinosaurs ruled the earth"... However, some simplicity is good for user. I am no fan of expensive multi color display... when one color is all you need.
Must have unless you have middle drive lol.
Did this ever leave beta? I can't find it in 3.15.
It's still in beta, 3.2b4 is in the works with bidirectional throttle support added, , and hopefully after that is proven it will become the main release.
Gooddamminit I want a 155mm axle SOOOO bad. gimmie on e Justin, I cannot free up the 200 bills for the whole crankset.
You know how many of these things I buy. Lol. I just need a good tork sensor thatclears a wide pack. I would lovet o get my cranks right around.... 160mm apart.. and your ERIDER Torque Sensing bottom bracket would do that.
If i could afford it. C'Mon send me one. I'll promote your systems with teh super powers of datalogs and braggin about having the best ebike oin teh block.
Geeze uym my keyboard is getting bad. Lol.
Want new modern color screen with explanatory icons and maybe touch screen. 🤗
Why do you need color? Touch screen is easier to break.
@@sammiller6631 I'll settle for larger screen and icons w/ 4 way arrow pad.
@@sammiller6631
Because it’s his perspective. It’s like asking someone why is that your favorite food or why is that your favorite color lol
I don’t.
@@eastwood111 No, it's like a vegan going to a steakhouse to ask for a "new modern" vegan dish. The vegan can take his "perspective" elsewhere. Bosch already makes colour touchscreens with their Nyon ebike display.
Can I bring my ebike to your shop and you set this up for a two motor, two batterie system just say yes and I will arrange to get it their.
But Grin is not a bike shop, mogeking. They are a bike parts manufacturer and distributor.
Why can't you set up your own two motor system, mogeking? It's a good learning experience.
@@sammiller6631 have you ever thought its non of your business why mogeking56 wants Grin to convert their bike. They may not have the time or technical know how or even they may not be physically able to do the conversion themselves.
@@jamesemery1 Grin is not a bike shop. They are a maker of parts. You don't ask Shimano, Bosch or Bafang to build you a new bike either.