Time For Left To ADMIT Boys, Men Are In CRISIS | Breaking Points with Krystal and Saagar
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- čas přidán 28. 09. 2022
- Krystal and Saagar are joined by author and policy expert Richard Reeves to better understand the crisis facing boys and men he tackles in his new book
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As a young white male who grew up in California without a dad, I've NEVER heard someone more perfectly encapsulate how I feel. Book = sold
As a 52 man and also born and raised in Cali who also had no dad…. You are not a victim. Until you realize that and accept it and that no one is going to save you or help you but you can do it all on your own. You are more than enough it will be hard and yet you will succeed and exceed. I graduated with a 2.2 gpa in high school and yet I have two masters degrees and make over double the salary I need. It took years to get my S together. Who do you want to be and are you going to let anyone or anything stand in your way? But you and I and any man living today can do anything anyone else can do.
Jordan Peterson said the same thing for years
@@wdeemarwdeemar8739 Didn't say I was a victim, don't know why you're trying to strawman me as such. If you're trying to relate our life experiences as anything similar, just remember: meth wasn't outlawed until you were 16, the internet wasn't mainstream until you were in your 30's, the average cost of higher education has quadrupled since YOU were 18, and homelessness is rampant throughout the US, particularly in California's wealthiest cities of LA and San Francisco (nearly got mugged there last weekend, booyah). Yeah there's plenty of blame you can place on the individual for their own outcome, but if you're really looking at the overall decline of our civilization and NOT seeing how poor leadership/socialization play a key role in the outcomes of it's people, you're just fooling yourself.
@@andy52709 I wonder if you’re romantically involved with POC, and if so, if you notice any differences between their lives and your own
I had my Dad , my mentor and best friend die when I was 16, life is about living and without him it was so hard. But I found a way to compete in life and have some happiness. But I can see how you can find a dark place and never make it back. That's when life must be lived for all the heavenly glory it offers.
It is shocking how just talking about males struggling immediately pisses so many people off.
its even weirder how many other guys it pisses off
Krystal is clearly pissed off.
It goes against some established narratives and touches upon race issues in ways that are counter-narrative.
When you point out that young black men are struggling and that there are factors other than racism you're going against the narrative. The truth of the matter is that all young men who aren't born into the upper class are facing these challenges.
@@Th3Chuzzl3r who? White knights, simps?
@@dolphmanity she's a dope.
This guy is gonna be the villain in Olivia Wilde's next movie 😂
😂
No he isn’t cause his solutions unlike Peterson isn’t to send women back to the kitchen in order for men to feel useful again. The fact you missed that key point is quite concerning but also revealing.
Its because he said Boys and Girls are different . That makes him a enemy of the Woke Democrats.
Men get too emotional
(i.e. Angry)!
Why?
Men's Rights Advocates have been talking about these issues for decades and called misogynists for it.
This may be the best segment I have ever seen on Breaking Points. The guest was brilliant at being politically neutral.
Yes I'm glad to finally have representation as an insecure male
@@lj2265 we get it PL. You don't care about other people.
Sagaar made it into an attack on the left. He ignored the fact that the worst males role models in the USA are male GOP politicians.
I'll bet he's being bot swarmed on social media anyway
Literally nothing being said about the fact 60% of women vote democrat and 70% of democrats say they wont date outside their political party, also just the fact have they looked at modern women? the obesity, the psychological disorders/ psychoactive prescription drug usage, I mean just those two categories is over 70% of all women. Also colleges are literally woke nonsense now, the fact that isn't brought up either I mean... this segment is just lacking we have a sick society with a purely propagandistic education system and they wonder why men aren't participating to the fullest....sheesh
Any parent with a boy (especially an "active" boy) has seen this play out in school. My family took drastic measures. Wife quit job, moved away from suburbs, started homeschooling our sons. The difference in our boys is palpable. They are thriving more than I could have imagined. We're making far less money, have a smaller house, older cars...but our family happiness, quality time, and lifestyle makes me feel undeservingly blessed. Our boys are out in the woods everyday climbing trees and testing beyond their grade level. Homeschooling is the answer for some families. Best of luck to all you parents raising the next generation of men. May we all succeed!
Yes! People need to be willing to make less to make sure boys or girls too are raised right. I know a couple that has all girls. Both the husband and wife made a lot of money but they decided the wife would stay home the first part of the kid's lives than they switched it and let the father stay home and make sure they're raised right onwards. Parents working together make happier home's.
The benefit of a dedicated care giver goes far beyond academic education. Something that was lost in the equality movement is the consequence of both parents working and the effect on children. What should have happened is that more woman became the bread winner and more men became the care giver. What did happen is the care giver disappeared.
I have 2 boys - this guest was Spot On!
Beautiful!
I've been saying this for years. Many people just shrug it off.. Sad times we live in where young boys get drugged to stay still.
All the homeschooled kids I ever met had no social skills.
Probably my favourtite segment ever done on this show, this guy absolutely nailed it. If only everyone could watch this 20 minute video, we'd all be a lot better off
You should see crystals interview with c owens when she screams at owens for making the some of the same points..
He didn’t nail it.
He absolutely did NOT “nail it” by any standard. He is not giving adequate consideration to the ways education has changed significantly to favor girls. “Good” behavior and behaving like a girl are essentially viewed as the same things now, and girls will always be better than boys at being girls. The vast majority of teachers are now female. Mothers almost always get custody of children and are the primary parent directly involved with schools. Most physical education and opportunities for exercise have been cut or removed, which is essential to boys. Competitive physical activities in which boys thrive has been removed except for the handful of boys able to make the school team, only the very best players when all boys need this type of stimulation. If you behave like a boy, which boys tend to do most of the time, you are poorly behaved and might need to be prescribed medications so you can behave better. Why can’t boys just be girls/ well behaved?
@@AKSBSU He mentioned "The vast majority of teachers are now female." prominently in the video. Child custody would take another 20 minutes just to accurately describe, it's riddled with issues.
This is condescending garbage. The left has just moved from hateful misandry to patronizing misandry. Notice how he totally ignores studies on grading bias and blames male brain development for poor performance in school.
As a male teaching in elementary school for the past 13 yrs. I firmly believe we need more boys and girls only elementary schools. They're just so different at that age, and yes girls are much more mature and able to sit still and focus in a classroom setting at those young ages.
We need more male only academies with a curriculum focused first and foremost on the development and control of the body, as that seems to be what most of my male students struggle with. They just have so much pent up energy, and technology exacerbates the problem because it's fundamentally a cerebral form of engagement. Boys and girls by and large don't move their bodies enough, and it's especially debilitating for our young men. Male only academies could have a curriculum that allows more outside time, mandatory team building activities that focus on physicality. Mandatory participation in a sport. Everyday would start with calisthenics and a yoga style isometric control of movement and mindfulness. Trust me, this would solve many of the problems that are plaguing our young men in this increasingly sedentary world.
This. Most my memories of elementary school are of me not paying attention and then getting yelled at for something I didn’t know that I was doing it
Girls benefit from outdoor time as much as boys. Education was designed as an institution to babysit kids for working parents, not for actual educaiton.
There is an African proverb that “A child rejected by a village will burn it to the ground in order to feel it’s warmth.”
Being kind and compassionate to others should not be viewed as weakness or sympathy, but as a wise investment in the future of humanity.
Wow, I’m definitely putting that in my back pocket.
@@jeremy-thebystander4031 That's not quite the same thing.
Sounds like a school shooter?
@Wise Guy o.o Is it? I always figured Armageddon was more of a mix between a reminder that all of this, every building, every person, every book is temporary; and to take care so as not to doom ourselves, as there's no guarantee a savior of any stripe will save us from ourselves. o.o
Kind of a tangent, I know, just a curious thought.
So good. No one CHOSE to be in this world. Compassion should be something we give, not expect to be earned.
The oddest part of this conversation is when women try to burn it down. It's not about tearing women down, it's about bringing men back up, and it benefits everyone.
And hence why we are where we are in society
women aren't stupid when it comes to social hierarchy, they've always been hardwired to manipulate it in their own ways. Just look at examples such as Anne Boleyn, Maria Theresa., & the Suffragettes
those same women are the ones that say they only want "high quality men"
The moment I'm up, I'm leaving 🚪🚶🏽♂️the cheeks are sweeter on the other side of the ocean 🌊
It's how society works right now. For a lot of issues. Sadly.
For me, school was always hard because it required reading books and trying to imagine from words rather than hands on. I found that if I was to do something instead of being shown how to do it, that I'd catch on and retain the information much quicker and I'd excel at it better than most people would.
Well it’s ehh you had homework, for you to do if HANDS ON.
The current schooling system was designed with MEN in mind. You’re saying you can’t do well in an environment designed for you? How weak are you, man?
@@nothereyetlost Probably not as weak as you, seeing as you have nothing better to do than attack him for sharing a personal experience.
@@therealsapdad1942 probably not as weak as YOU being that you have nothing better to do than attack me for having an opinion.
This is called kinesthetic learning. There are several different styles of learning. There is nothing wrong with learning in that manner.
@@nothereyetlost it wasn't created for men. it was created to create obedient robots for manufacturing and the military.
I would love to hear the stat on how many women have a desire to do what it takes to be a CEO in the first place.
hundred upvotes !!
Krystal and Saagar, this is probably one of the most important interviews you've ever done. This is the result of labeling one group bad/privileged and everyone else as their victims, but without solving the actual problem (and creating new ones). From the bottom of my heart, thank you!
You summed it up perfectly
You can't solve the problem of capitalism oppressing working class men when working class men cuck for capital. There's nothing more to the argument. Stand together or stand alone
This is literally privileged people claiming victim hood. It's how Trump won: by scamming.
@@climatecrisisdragon3628 Marxism is the root cause of the problem, Marxism is not the solution to the problem.
@@climatecrisisdragon3628 What does this mean? Blame the victim?
It's so frustrating to hear such casual sexism against boys, even when trying to help them. The idea that literally giving quotas for women, having overwhelmingly female teachers and creating behavior standards based on female behavior and drugging a generation of boys with adderall "leveled the playing field" and girls are just better is so infuriating.
Right? Not to mention actively pushing girls over boys, giving women more scholarships over men and hiring and promoting women over men. None of this is an "equal playing field." I'm shocked that they're shocked.
@@johnhammink2716 that's exactly the kind of conversation that needs to be had. Nobody has a problem pointing out a deficiency in men, but we ignore any deficiency in women or we change the system to cover it up. Also notice how the "new role" for women is be strong and independent. All things that benefit the woman. The "new role" for men is "since we've limited your opportunity to provide financially, find other ways to contribute" nothing that is actually just for men
"if we give women the right to vote, the men will be oppressed"
I think you missed the point. Acting the victim just because we've leveled the playing field a bit. Boys AREN'T being drugged into a lack of education. It's just the whole boys will be boys isn't as tolerated...which is a GOOD THING!! That's how we ended up with so many frat boy RAPISTS
The idea that gender doesn't exist, biology doesn't exist, is so stupid. I'm sure the US Women's Soccer team identified as champions when they played an under 15 boy's team from Dallas, but they still lost 5-2 to a bunch of kids. It's NOT a level playing field because there are two genders that are different and exist.
This was a very interesting discussion. I'd say one of the best pieces you've done.
Man! This interview was so reminiscent for me of classic public broadcast news interviews, wherein the intelligence of the audience was respected, non-sensational, and the professionalism is top notch! This clip more than any other makes me want to become a breaking points subscriber.
Thank you for covering this. I keep telling people, this is one of the least talked about yet most alarming topics of our time. A world that makes men feel they have no story is a world that risks driving lonely depressed men to extremism, and we all know the dark roads where that thinking leads.
Right!! And that leads to more broken families, a less safe society that women simply are unequipt to provide for society. Telling men that their only value is their financials while making it even harder for them to improve said Financials is a big contributor to why we are here. It's alarming to me to see men with a total disregard for the lives of women these days and I think much of this feminist agenda and rhetoric has brought it to this point.
Yes man. This is really dangerous. It’s frightening and no one is talking about it
Funny how this same empathy is missing for men of color all over the world. These men are just terrorists...lol
Ur damn right I'm ready to follow and leader that voices this truth, no matter their agenda.
It’s radicalizing for young men. Look at the demonization of Jordan Peterson. Who replaced him? Andrew Tate. They demonized and silenced him too. The next person is going to be even more radical and going to have an even greater impact.
Part of what bothers me is people who are concerned about young boys are labelled incels, and the boys themselves are getting called these nasty names too. Name calling is not going to help matters, and it will simply make boys more aggressive and socially isolated.
I have to believe that society is doing this stuff to boys intentionally, because I have a hard time believing they can be this stupid to not have seen the longterm effects of this years back.
oof, yeah, I had forgotten about that word while watching this. it was a change to not hear it when this topic is discussed.
It's pretty terrible when you hear/see a woman look at a picture of some average guy and they say "I'm getting Incel vibes". Like, wtf? It's just some guy with mild balding and on every other topic the person saying it was very progressive and self-righteous. Can I get some progressiveness for me too? I was born to be someone who likes books, not a "monster that is under control".
@@Matemo-rf4xz , I'm 70, was attractive in an offbeat but never handsome way when I was your age. America was still considerably influenced by Christian culture; most young women wanted to find husbands, and be wives and mothers; we were pre Internet; there were three TV broadcast networks; we still had factories; and people weren't so effing money obsessed. I'm sorry you find yourself in such a miserable culture, or anticulture, to be more exact.
@@bobtaylor170 I appreciate your words. It has been kind of like a constant rejection/punishment thing I have gotten from every relationship... I'm starting to find people though, I think.
Bringing-up boys to be masculine men who are NOT toxic, sociopathic, or predatory is a huge chore….the fault of parents is that they fail far too often than they succeed.
‘Why should women care how men are doing in society?’
Imagine that question with the sexes flipped. The response difference would be night and day.
My whole life it's been about empowering women and disempowering men. Can't call that an equal playing field. We need to find an equilibrium if we don't want society to collapse.
You better believe there are a lot of men who don't care if society collapse. Some even want it to happen (and some pray at the altar of "accelerationism").
Nut job alert, nut job alert. Please share how you personally can (dis)empower anyone you ego maniac....
My 6yr old son is extremely smart, learned multiplication at age 4 just through conversations with me. He does the math in his head. He was not emotionally ready for kindergarten last year so we homeschooled him and didn't make him do much but learn what he was interested in. He's not in first grade, going to school and he's doing really well emotionally and is able to follow the rules. I'm a mental health clinician and I prioritized his social emotional development first and I think this has helped tremendously. I refused to believe he was a bad boy and needed punishment. I worked on development instead. He's just barely learning to read but he's much more interested and willing than he was last year.
I applaud you for your efforts, as your present efforts will have a invaluable positive impact in your son's life; earnestness-ly.
Have you ever punished him for anything?
Fantastic! It's great to give parents the freedom to assess their own child's needs.
You're a great mom Joni. 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾
@@mostlysunny582 Odd question.
Please start doing more expert interviews, at least a couple a week. It really is where you two shine the brightest.
Good call. Krystal and Sagaar don’t seem to prepare or read up an really any subjects they discuss. “I didn’t read the article, BUT” all the time. They’ve gotten kinda lazy and just show up and voice their opinions they’ve always had.
Good to hear experts. Ppl
Could learn a lot from Joe Rogan interview style.
A fairly large percentage of men have come to the conclusion that in today's society the classic marriage and family paradigm is no longer working for them and have decided to quietly opt out.
The only thing the cultural establishment offers young men is open disdain at best and concern trolling over toxic masculinity at worst
exactly - why would men want to go into college when a plurality of the departments are openly against them
And how much of this is 'the left needs to clean up and stop scaring the normies' and how much of this is actually heart felt. If it's the latter, great, but my guess, just like Bill Maher and his rants, it's just trying to clean up the narrative before the election.
yeah cause Top Gun was really a fringe film. Keep victimizing yourself maybe it'll work.
@@emmetharrigan5234 one film! Wowie. Crazy how that film massively over earned and people said it was the first time in forever a film resonated
@@MC_heart4 So basically men aren't oppressed and are widely embraced around the world and all this whining is for nothing. Thanks for reinforcing my position :)
One thing Americans have to wrap their head around is that men and women having a different role in a relationship is not incompatible with equality. You can both be equal and be filling a different role. Different does not = less than.
Agreed. But, many want to dictate what roles each person plays, restricting people to outdated gender norms. It's about choosing for yourself and your family.
And we can't subscribe to these different roles to everyone based on their gender. Maybe the key is to stop judging people in general. Live and let live and help one another.
@@johnhammink2716 Mostly Americans, yes.
Watch out there, sounds like you are pushing the deeply conservative idea of complementarianism.
@@pamelastoesz733 Biology dictates which role each person plays.
As a left leaning guy I've been trying to be a positive role model for younger men. Preaching things like education and empathy. The idea of going back in time is, as far as I'm concerned, comes from fear of feeling like you have no place. Cuz that's my issue. I'm fighting to prove my worth despite not finishing college.
Good job Mate
Great job guys! Keep it up. I wanted more and that’s awesome.
I don't agree with *a lot* of what Andrew Tate (or Jordan Peterson) says, but there is a reason he was so popular online, his words were resonating with a lot of young men who felt that they were not appreciated and had no real place or worth in our society that was constantly shitting on them for being heterosexual men.
The top 1% of Americans is all anyone focuses on as an example of toxic men or men who abuse their power and position...Most everyday men are just trying to get by and make sense of all of this.
I guess the new script for males could be something along the lines of: “You’re more than just a breadwinner. Let’s celebrate fatherhood and good things men do.”
I can get behind this
Biggest reason that will never be embraced by the progressive/Democrat/left (other than a lack of belief in the reality of biological sex differences) is that they are anti-natalist. You can't find your identity in being an excellent father if you forego having children altogether.
What are these "good things MEN do?" Because again, they will never allow a narrative that includes positive qualities that are inherently masculine.
women dont wants kids... so i guess the new script is society is buying garbage and going to strip clubs.
almost like it's a problem of capitalism and not feminism
Script?. To think this "societal" alone is ludicrous. If that was the case, women wouldn't have a problem with it. There is an extraordinary polarization in the sexual market by all measurable metrics. Women want what they want, if men don't do it, the attention will be concentrated on the few who can. This is like the body positivity movement, a delusion of thinking this can be negotiated
My experience as a male engineer (graduated University 2015) and into the beginning portion of my career highlighted what I would describe as an over-correction for female inclusion. My experiences are my own and obviously anecdotal to the conversation, but relevant nonetheless. Throughout college, I noticed a heavy emphasis on assistance to females unequal to that offered to my male peers. My engineering college had free tutoring centers which I attended weekly... only to get passed over time and time again while the tutor made their rounds tending to each female, sometime multiple-times, before myself or other male classmates could get a question in. Class office hours were generally short and much of the allotted time was spent with the professors running out the clock helping my female peers. When it came time for internships, nearly all my female peers landed offers as freshmen and sophomores... The majority of my males classmates weren't so lucky - many not receiving offers till their Junior year if at all. Once in the work force, many of my female colleagues advanced at faster rate than their equivalently performing male peers. Lesser performing female colleagues survive while their male equivalents are laid-off (as they should). The list goes on....
That said, I work with many incredible female engineers. I am not downplaying their aptitude or denying their legitimacy... but neglecting a gender for the sake of inclusivity seems like a counter productive approach. For the past 10 years there has been a push for women in STEM, every poster in college had a smiling female engineer front-and-center, many textbooks/college pamphlets had the same... every career fairs had women highlighted at nearly each booth, and in the workplace we celebrate "Women in Engineering Day"... don't hold your breathe for "Men in Engineering Day" haha. Point is - women are in engineering - and its normal. But at what point does the hand on the scale recognize that there are two sides and ignoring one in pursuit of the other may not be the best approach. The men I know in the profession are incredible, some brilliant, they've toughed it through engineering school, they pay their student loans, they work hard, still put in the time to hone their craft, and building incredible products absent the daily recognition. Maybe its time to appreciate both.
I certainly agree that a course correction is required.
I work in Higher education in a school of Architecture. I recently was sitting in on a presentation discussing the demographics of the students. The school sits at 55% male and 45% percent female. For reference the actual field of architecture is 75 percent male and 25 percent female. The presenter spent a majority of the presentation talking about ways that we can close the gender gap at the school.
You are experiencing now what women and people of colour have always experienced. It’s frustrating isn’t it. Totally believe we needed to tip the scales back now so that we are treating people equally.
@@blammela The problem here is that two wrongs don't make a right. Treating a new group of people like shit because other groups used to be treated like shit does not solve anything for anyone. In fact, it's dangerous, because it builds resentment. After all, the men today who are suffering are not the ones who created these problems in the first place! The average white male had zero choice over his race or sex when he was born. He did not right before birth get an options menu and say to himself "ah yes, I think I'll select being born into the oppressor class!" No, he was born by random chance into his skin just like anyone else. The idea that these random and innocent people deserve to suffer for the evil decisions of men of the past is just completely ridiculous. This is like punishing the child of a rapist for the rape that their father committed. It not only makes zero sense, and accomplishes nothing (the father is still out there!), but it's morally wrong for the innocent child who had nothing to do with it! So yes, while the pendulum absolutely needed to be corrected to be more inclusive, we're reaching the tipping point where it's starting to swing the other way, and the consequences of this are going to be inequality in new forms, for innocent people who never created the inequalities in the first place. And this is wrong!
The big questions, do they deliver on the engineer front, you will never know the truth.
Thank you for covering this. Men are being shamed and forgotten. Many of us feel we are expendable. Thank you for talking about father's. I am a dad and the court system has treated me as dirt despite my providing and giving time. Feminism is a lie.
Don't forget that in the US men are expendable since they're still required to sign up for the draft, 3rd wave feminists don't want to bring that up. The selective service system stated it can be easily done.
You’ve just traded hateful misandry for patronizing misandry. Notice how he totally ignores studies on grading bias and just blames male ‘brain development’ for the education gap. 🙄
@@Dennis-nc3vwthere isn't a grading bias..the grading is always how it is supposed to be .the marks are just rewarded to person who is better at listening and obeying the instructions..with time girls have beaten boys in their own game..
Even girls which are rowdy get less favours from teachers..
Even in military l, female sharp shooters are awarded more since they listen to instructions and follow commands..
The system needs people to be obedient, women are good at following rules..
There's an echo chamber, boys misbehave more, the more they misbehave, they're punished more, the more they're punished, the more they misbehave..
An ideal society needs a perfect balance of femininity and masculinity
But People want their own gender to win..🤷
More and more Men and women are acting like a different species every day.. Women want the world to be in the lead of women, men want the world to be in the lead of men's and women as baby making machines..
If society isn't soon finding a way to bridging biological differences between genders instead of dividing them by boy and girl things, I'm afraid either we'll end ourselves, or will eventually evolve ways to reproduce within the same sex.. Like those lesbian lizards.. There's research under way about how women could reproduce using another female's bone marrow, there's research underway about how there are incubators to grow a baby from the scratch..
Well, if our behaviour doesn't gets better atleast we won't bother eachother.. And then people can finally realise the faults of their own gender 😂
Although homosexual people already open about how much dating their gender sucks sometimes..😂
We have to take actions..
As a therapist, I cannot tell you how much I appreciated this discussion. I have seen so many men/boys in my office that struggle immensely with their self worth. Especially when they aren't able to fill those typical male roles of providers/protectors. They blame themselves and mental health is another area that men struggle with partially because of our society.
Loved this discussion and will probably buy that book as well
As a therapee the only thing that helped was to reject modernity and embrace masculinity. Testosterone changed my life
@@BlastinRope chemical imbalance is very much a thing too. Glad it has helped you
2 points that I've noticed:
1. By college, girls are about 2 years ahead of boys. I went to a small college, and you could see how individuals of different age entering college did. 16 year old girls (there were a few) and 18 year old boys entering as freshmen were mostly, but not always, not quite ready to succeed. 18 year old girls and 20 year old guys were mostly, but not always, ready to succeed in college.
2. Men take more risks. If you take a risk the ceiling for achievement is higher, as is the chance of failure. Of course men are going to show up at the very top levels of achievement, but they also show up more often as complete failures. The bell curve is flatter for men: more complete successes and more abject failures.
A big factor in that is also that college isn't for everyone. It's not for over 60% of the population. Combine that with college is a structured business rather than a place of learning also plays a big part in that.
Maybe that's what is happening in the context of how education and child-rearing are being handled currently, but I highly doubt that is inherent to the sexes. After college I worked at a university with a lot of foreign students, and there was a much stronger association between race and maturity than between gender and maturity. The biggest issue I ran into as a student group advisor was with white girls. Is an incomplete picture because I didn't have to deal with frat boys. But I don't feel like I observed a big difference between the preparation level of the sexes when I was in college, either...
It's amazing how the "greater male variability" thesis never comes up in these discussions. This thesis is exactly what a scientist who believes in evolution by natural selection would predict would happen given the relative value of male and female reproductive commitment. Evolution prioritized getting women ready for motherhood and up to speed as quickly as possible, while sacrificing the higher upside to do so. Evolution prioritized male variability, more absolute success and more absolute flops, and allowed more time for men to get up to speed in order to create more successes. One man can fertilize many women, so you don't need that many men to maintain a growing population.
In the past, it was easier to keep a civil society, because warfare was an easy way to dispose of the male flops.
It’s also interesting to note the IQ spectrums mirror this exact phenomenon as well. The ends of both extremes are filled with males.
@@SuperSupersoda The only problem with *your* thesis is that evolutionary science is sexist, therefore your speaking about it means you're a misogynist. Take that, bigot!
I held my son back a year in elementary school (mainly he was small) , it was hard for him as his friends moved on. It worked out very well, he was larger and could play sports and more mature and better focus than the boys he was with after the change.
That's kind of cheating though to be honest
I don't think people understand how truly bad it is unless you're a young man yourself. Men do not show emotion the same way as women, but spend time in a group of any young men and you will quickly see how full of directionless despair they are in, through no fault of their own. And I'm not talking about the minority of "loser" men, those have existed in every generation. I mean the average young man who did everything right, and like Richard said, there is no new script for them, and they are staring into an abyss of uncertainty, with no roadmap, while society screams down their neck that they are privileged and have everything handed to them. The levels of this are society breaking. Something's got to give. Thank you Richard for this book, and Breaking Points for covering it.
One item they didn’t touch on here that is very unintentional result of this trend is that with more women going to college and less men going to college it shrinks the dating pool for women, because college grads will typically only date/marry other college grads. I’m not saying women shouldn’t be going to college, but it is an interesting, unintentional consequence that appears will only get worse as this trend continues.
That’s something largely unique to women’s dating demands not men’s though. Men will date downwards along education & income while women largely only date up. There are excel but they aren’t the rule and some will most certainly “settle” in their perspective. Most are not since 50% of women within certain age range are single & childless.
Given the opportunity most will jump to a better prospect if they think they have the opportunity. Per numerous studies, women expect men to make at least 150% of their income and have the same education level or better. Yet 60% of the population makes just 38k for individual income. As well as 60% of college attendees being women with that number expected to reach 70%. The supply doesn’t meet that demand especially when you apply other physical characteristics requirements like hight & looks.
What they fail to understand in just the education requirements, is that education is a constant through life, is readily available for free through online resources, through direct work experience, and through corporate funded connections. Just because someone doesn’t go the traditional route for education doesn’t mean they are educated. Just because you’re formally educated doesn’t mean you’re intelligent either.
They have a very rigid outdated view on society as well as men, applying classism & elitism in their “preferences”.
I’ve been saying this for years but kept getting called a misogynist and a MRA (Being an MRA isn’t a bad thing. It’s just that this term is often used to mean women hatred) for simply pointing this out. Then you’d get derailed with dismissive laughs (“oh yeah men have it reaaaaly hard! Boo hooo!”) and the conversation pulled away towards talking about patriarchy and how it affects women.
edit: I do disagree a little with what the guy said at parts. My agreement is more to do with the video title.
It's textbook at this point. I don't think things will change, it will get extremely worse. Because so much of what men go through women and upper class society and government leaders, they are blind to it. The entire society is run on men's ability to accept their suffering so they can provide for their families. Take that away and you will create the right conditions for foot soldiers of revolution.
More extreme politics will arise. Men need a purpose and one of the biggest proposes taking care family is being made extremely difficult through gender based family court discrimination. Passionate leaders will recruit those young men.
right, it won't matter until women suffer because of men. despite the gender of our leadership, we all know who has the ear of policy makers.
We agree with you that men are flops, we just disagree on the reason for that. Men are failing themselves, its not a me problem to have to worry about.
You should try choosing to look at what you have in life instead of being bitter about what you don't. You're causing all your own problems.
@@lj2265 That's not true for anybody. People's outcomes are dictated by both choices and circumstances beyond their control. Hopefully they're never is a you problem that somebody else has to worry about because all of us will remember what you said in your above comment.
@@chaschristiansen you don't need women to suffer thats extreme af. You need to make changes in culture, regulate dating apps ability to mess with men and boys mental health.
Society complained when Facebook did an experiment on young girls, testing for depression and how making them that way could lead to more ad buys. If that's wrong why can't it be said it's wrong when dating app do it to young men. It's also wrong and evil.
Education system needs to remove the bias and have balanced teaching that fits both genders. The way we teach needs to be less oriented to girls learning style.. You can teach in the style that both genders learn.
Men and boys with their hands and girls with reading, writing and visualize presentation, currently the way we teach is extremely leaded towards girls. Policy fails boy and men. Also hire more male teachers by raising the wage of teachers nation wide, also don't allow for the number to become 98% women teaching compared to men.
Punish gender bias in teaching. As of now Female teachers punish boys way more for the exact same behavior issues done by both genders.
Policy changes in family court and parent rights.
And many more.
Brilliant segment. Thank you, this is such an important topic that has been mostly overlooked.
I'm feeling much better about keeping my son back one more year before starting kindergarten. My girls are on the young end for their grade school year but I never questioned if they were ready and have done just fine. My son who is born right on the cut off could have been pushed in but it didn't feel right and I decided to start him next year. It can be hard sometimes to trust your instincts when parents are so pressured to "get their kids ahead in the game". Glad to see someone proposing some solutions to these problems.
I’ve told so many people to keep their sons back… just from my personal experience.
My nephews we did the same held them back a year and there doing educational better
@@Frankelmind1 By the looks of it, you should have been held back a year... or several.
Holding back does better imo better for sports better for social standing and for education.
As a boy who started school a year too early I hope I can reassure that you made the right choice, and that decision may project prosperity to your son throughout his life. You’re a good mother!
There are many complexities in this issue, and I was emotionally awakened by a simple truth this weekend while watching my young cousins (4-6 years old) play together. There is a perceivable truth that boys must be allowed to be boys or, at least, be in an environment of other boys. Boys, when let loose and unbound, are inherently aggressive, loud, destructive, rambunctious, painfully curious, and many a times a nuisance. However, the discouragement of these attributes has indeed led to a society of men not being fostered well, for all of these attributes can be channeled in to something GOOD. Boys can also be protective, confident, creative, intelligent, innovative, strong leaders or moral character, and dangerous in the face of evil, both physically and morally. Our current society, especially in our education systems, has placed a negative stigma on these inherent traits and chose to penalize them, rather than to foster them. Many of our educators, parents, and leaders would rather have boys behave like girls, rather than put in the work to foster boys to men. A strong man is now considered toxic. There may be some validity to this! As a young man who abhorred fraternity culture, I can assure you, what some boys deem a man is absolutely toxic. This is partly because the modern man is yet to be defined, and many boys are falling prey to the societal harm of abandonment and empty purpose. Many boys growing up today, unfortunately don't know what a strong man is. Some may never find out.
Well said.
I worked in public schools for years and what you say is absolutely spot on......natural boy behavior is stigmatized and punished in school settings. Boys will naturally pick up sticks and make them into weapons, they mimic and imitate behaviors that would be needed for fighting or war. Just today I chaperoned my kids field trip and the boys were bumping into each other and using the "bump" to push each other....and laughing (all of which NOT appreciated by the teacher).
One time I worked with a kindergarten age boy (5 years old) and I was in his classroom when the school resource officer (SRO) was giving a safety lesson. The SRO said, "when you see a gun, what do you do with it?" and the boy I was working with blurted out, "you shoot it." I had to refrain from falling out on the floor laughing, and one of the female school staff said, "what's so funny?" to which my reply was......"well, she did just ask a 5 year old boy what to do with a gun, and he gave her the concrete logical answer". Oh, the ladies were in a huff (of course, we were all women working in there). But, this boy was raised in lily white liberal suburbia where I worked, and as a boy, EVEN he knew the purpose of a tool such as a gun, even though mom had probably never given him the chance to have a toy gun and probably avoided guns in general, yet he knew). Lol.....lol.....that experience always reminds me of how much things have changed for boys in the last few decades, yet the nature of males has not really changed, only being silenced and stigmatized.
"The modern man is yet to be defined" I like that
Toxic masculinity manifests when there is a lack of masculinity in a man. A weak man is propone to aggression and violence, as it is the only way they know how to express themselves, or convey pain. Unfortunately these type of men are weak, and cannot handle hardship or tribulation as a barrier that is formed through trail and error is never formed in such a individual. As a result weak men are sensitive not only to difficulty, but also words - which is a fundamental trait of the opposite sex, as reputation destruction is the comparable violence that a woman that can experience; in other words, a man punishes to settle a dispute, and a woman destructs a reputation to settle a dispute.
As a weak man is completely emasculated, as he has never taken a risk, and thus has never genuinely experienced failure, a weak man is inherently uncompassionate towards other, and are propone to selfish behavior.
In essence, everything 3rd and 4th wave Feminism decries in men, is everything that the ideology has encouraged in men.
@@FukUNerd Saying the quiet part loudly, the definition of the modern man that matters most is the one offered by women.
“Just look down. Look at the rest of society” something people in Hollywood, media, DC, and 60k/yr universities are incapable of doing
good thing the rest of society just paid off their debt
I like Richard's sentiment here. I would avoid the phrase "looking down" though. Part of what makes disgruntled young men so volatile is the feeling of being looked down upon. I know what he meant, but "phrasing". :)
@@MC_heart4 oh yeah man. 10 or $20,000 that'll totally pay off their debt. The application forms haven't even come out yet by the way.
Elites look down on everyone.
Lol this why BP's "populism" is meaningless. You are conflating your cultural antagonism with economic critique. Your sentiment of "just look down" applies to those with capital so not just "Hollywood or the media", but oil execs, financiers, or the majority of the upper tax bracket - that vote majority for conservatives, they dont need to "look down" ?
This is a fantastic introspective. Will definitely be buying this man's book and will read it will great interest. Thank you Krystal & Saagar for continuing to bring in such rich & worthwhile content on your channel.
Get more women into congress? Did he suddenly forget that they are chosen by election? That’s the most moronic comment I’ve heard this week.
I think valuing physical labor more would help too. Just because someone is working with their body and not their mind doesn't mean they should be valued any less.
@@johnhammink2716 the place we will be soon. Imagine how bad dating market gets in 2030 and 2040. Yeah politics will get extreme due to so many young men coming of age and not being able to find a wife. There is a Storm coming and society does not see why this issue is important.
most jobs in the office & marketing sectors are pretty Mindless and already mostly Automated so it's not like the secretarial "work with fancier titles" these college graduate women are occupying is exactly rocket engineering either
They will be low wage jobs due to immigration
Manufacturing jobs are not coming back. The labor force has to retool for the future, but half the country is bickering about college being made free or accessible to everyone, selling the lie about "trade school" for jobs that don't exist anymore, while the rest of the world with universal college adapts. It's hard to envision a good future for the US with these culture war traps that stop progress at every turn.
In this day and age there are no jobs that can be done without the mind. Most people dramatically underestimate how much knowledge and skill some supposedly "menial" tasks actually require. I'm pretty sure most of the people who hold bachelors in gender studies or literature or communications would utterly fail if they tried to complete an apprenticeship to become an electronics technician.
I grew up not having a father in the house. Trust me, it makes a difference whether you're a boy or a girl.
In my PhD cohort, all 7 of us are women. In my master’s cohort it was probably 3/4 women. In my undergrad Chem department the majority of the students were women, and yet there wasn’t a women’s bathroom in the chemistry department because when the building was built in the 50s, women didn’t do the hard sciences...😮 This shift in the education gap is very obvious across all levels. And I’m seeing it more and more with my undergrad students as well.
"women didn’t do the hard sciences": You clearly weren't alive in the 50s. Who do you think did all the calculations for NASA and didn't get any recognition until 10-20 years ago? Find out who the first programmer to ever exist is. Find out who Marie Curie is. What do you know about Einstein's wife? Women always did the "hard science", but their recognition was taken away from them. Look up how many women had to pretend to be men in order to get an education at all. *smh* @ how misinformed most people are when it comes to reality.
More of this. As a dad who watches his son raised from a distance, this hit home. It’s not my choice to be where I am but here I am. The struggle is real
One of my absolute favorite YT channels is the Outdoor Boys. A fairly young father to 3 boys showing them how to be boys. I love to see them be loud, curious, risky, and dirty. To many women are raising boys without a father, for whatever reason, and those boys are filling in the gap for whatever mom needs. Fathers need to step up and mothers need to let them.
My GF was raised by a single mother (dad left to screw another woman, then left her when they also had kids), but she had a strong and compassionate grandfather in her life who taught her how to fix a car and play in the woods and shoot a gun and respect boundaries and be held accountable for her actions, etc. I can't understate how critical that was to her development.
@@universalsoldier2293 nothing like a great grandpa. Mine just died at 92, a fantastic male figure but so is my dad. Although my parents divorced when I was young he was a great dad. Came back to help my mom in the middle of the night to deal with my stupid decision to sneak out one night at 15.
All of them hit the nail on the head with this. If equality is going to be preached, then it actually needs to be equal, not only when it's convenient, part of the narrative or status quo
Yep, exactly.
Feminism can't deliver equality because their premise is it's a patriarchy that privileges men and oppresses women. If that is the starting premise it will always be assumed that anything that helps women is a move towards equality and anything that helps men must be reinforcing women's oppression. They will never feel they've hurt men enough to equal the score.
As far as education "being more important for females" I agree with. Your options as a female are limited without a college eduction. I work in a manufacturing and where I'm at women are rarely hired on floor jobs ( maybe 5 in the 18 years working there, none in my department.) For a woman it's fastfood, nursing, or nothing. Culture is the problem.
As a single guy in Canada, I have paid my share of taxes. I get no real benefits or right offs like others do. But, when it comes time to get help I get bare minimum if anything, nothing is geared to help single males. They take on all burden but end up with no benefits. From shelters to housing to food banks!
Appreciate someone taking the focus off women for once and a non-bias discussion about men. Well done!
who do most white men vote for? quit whining.
If you're the type of person that would talk to a stranger like this in person, I'd have nothing to do with you.
@@charlottesghost2845 Is your argument really that the majority of a group of people vote for someone you don't like then their issues don't matter? That seems incredibly arbitrary and frankly, stupid.
@@charlottesghost2845 Quit your hating.
@@charlottesghost2845 the party that actually talks about them with respect, recognizes how essential they are to the maintenance of society, and doesnt threaten to shut down their workplace in order to "save the planet" while making them an unemployed loser to their wife. Wow funny how people vote for the party that actually gives them representation, who would have thought...
The best thing I did was sign up my son for a youth wrestling club. I did wrestling and it taught me discipline. It also forced me to do well in school to participate in tournaments. I ended up getting an Honors Scholarship when I went to college that payed for everything. I wouldn't have gone otherwise. It's important for men and boys to participate in masculine activities and spaces.
That is the societal conditioning of the patriarchy and perpetuates misogyny! Just kidding, 100% agree
My son's school is about to start a wrestling ju jitsu club. He will be going. This year at the school they also hired more male teachers. The boys feel connected and have role models now. It is so important for them to have positive people in their lives.
@@AA123TD Exactly! Wrestling time is now our Father/Son bonding time. I bought wrestling mats and we practice at home. He loves it. Little boys need male mentorship and it just wouldn't be the same if we weren't participating in a collective space. The other fathers that know how to wrestle help train the kids, so it's good for all of us. There are girls that participate too, but it's mostly boys. He's doing way better in school now too. We were really struggling with him these past couple of years with school, but once he started wrestling it worked itself out.
I wrestled in High School. Very good experience.
It's kind of effed up though that sports programs (and a few advanced-placement math scholarships) are really the only way that young men are getting a shot out of the Demotivation cycle though. There's not nearly enough Trades programs to scoop up all the rest who maybe weren't BUILT as natural athletes or human-calculators
The failures of the education system does not call for a “new definition of masculinity.” It calls for reforming the education system.
The current education system is NOT a level playing field. Even when I went to school my mostly female teachers put a lot more effort into ecouraging girls which meant us boys were told to sit down and shut up. If you're told your attempts to participate in your classes amount to "unfairly monopolizing the teacher's time", you stop participating. And I was lucky in that I went to school before it became commonplace to "treat" boys' need for movement with Ritalin.
And there are more subtle ways in which the education system favours girls. The stories my school gave me to read were mostly aimed at girls and bored the shit out of me and my fellow boys. Force seven year olds to read stories they're bored by and they'll grow to hate reading; which is a huge problem for the remainder of their school career. Give them stories that captivate them and they'll enjoy reading, and "hitting the books" will sound a lot less daunting than it does to someone that associates with boredom other forced upon them.
Notice how he totally ignores studies on grading bias. The left has simply progressed from hateful misandry to patronizing misandry.
I've been noticing this for a while now and I'm really glad to see you all having a discussion about this. I work in higher ed in the Education space (preparing new teachers) and the pendulum has swung well past the equilibrium...
The rise in popularity of voices like Andrew Tate should be no surprise.
Indeed.
I don’t view Tate as particularly dangerous, but I am concerned that the reasons that gave rise to Andrew Tate can also give rise to something FAR more dangerous.
So are you to blame for all these woke groomer teachers im seeing on the internet?
@@johndymond4596 No. your attraction to bias confirmation and the profitability from engagement promoting algorithms are. Your outrage is the cause of your outrage.
@@johndymond4596 Yes. You have found the mastermind behind everything wrong with society. Embrace your destiny and bring us salvation.
@@ghostpiratelechuck2259 wow you guys really can't take a light hearted joke. Sensitive much?
8:30 Recruiting drive for male teachers? Sadly, this is an out-of-touch take. We have an ongoing and increasingly tragic *Teacher* shortage in general because our society doesn't value them as anything more than daycare, and they just aren't choosing that line of work any more. Saying we are going to recruit "Male" teachers like that's even a choice on the table is depressing to hear discussed as a reasonable option.
We need more men to take up teaching as we need more women to take up skilled trades. I’m not saying try to change the playing field with incentives, but it’d diversify fields which both have labor shortages.
@@ecoRfan You miss the point. Men, women, it doesn't matter for teaching because neither are going into the field now, or are leaving it in droves. It isn't a matter of awareness, and schools have refused or are incapable of offering pay incentives - the only ones that matter. Wages just haven't kept up, classroom support is at a century low. Most teachers pay out of their own pocket to stock classrooms with everything except the desks and textbooks. Into that environment, suggesting "we need to encourage more men to become teachers" without fixing the fundamental problems of the field is just naive.
@@lord6617 Understood. I was trying to add to the point. But yes I fully agree that poor pay and conditions have led to the exodus. Teachers don't get enough respect. It fits a pattern throughout society: the most necessary jobs are treated and paid poorly, while many unnecessary "bulls*** jobs" are overpaid.
It’s much more complicated than this, while more male teachers might help I think the fact that education is extremely left leaning almost everywhere in NA has a more alienating effect on boys than the gender of their teachers. There are plenty of male teachers who will still shame boys for history’s faults, their race and religion, “privileges” real or perceived, and also take an adversarial position to the boys’ parents which is beyond confusing.
I think the gap in female CEOs and leadership can be explained in the different ways narcissism and psychopathy presents in the sexs. It's less about the glass ceiling and more about what are you willing to do to get to that level. At this point I would have more respect for you if you didn't want to be a CEO.
True
Loved this soooo much! Excellent content.
Although my perspective is just anecdotal, the aspect of education becoming more important for girls than boys is incredibly true. I know many families that basically require it for their daughters and the boys are just left to their own accord and doesn't really matter. Such a massive shift just in my lifetime!
Yeah, the real sexism that isnt woke.
That's a blessing, all school does is brainwash people
It's funny, because as a woman it was completely the opposite for me yet you make it the rule. It's called being the golden boy/girl and that's the problem, there shouldn't be favorites.
@@Mariet31 of course when it comes to men like my son and I, grade school teachers are in the way. Now that we freed him, my 12 year old son will be dual enrolled in college this year. Men are more variable than women.
Yeah, many people think education is required for girls, they just leave boys to their own accord. The problem will come in 20 years, when the girls grow up, want to start families:
The normal time for that in nature for women to have their children, is when she is in her 20s. So then the massive shift came along. Here's how that's working out for these girls:
They look around, notice there are very few capable males around, for the women to pair off with. Ooops. We created a shortage of suitable men, by favoring girls over boys. It backfired on us.
I guess feminists didn't think their theories thru very well. Unintended consequences:
Birth control came along. Then feminists pushed for sexual freedom. Then the internet came along. Then women started outcompeting me. Turns out, men often prefer sexual freedom and choice and variety, more than women do, for biological reasons.
Problem is, what Dr. Jordan Peterson said: women only "mate up", they want men who are as capable as them, or better. That's what the dating data already shows: 80% of single women pursue the top 10% of men, online.
Computer dating opens up all the men in the world, for women to theoretically having a choice, being able to meet those men. We think this is a good thing. Is it? This online social media trains women to believe they will all end up with top guys, trains women to believe infinite choices are available to women.
Trouble is, women are most attractive, most fertile only in their 20s. Women are given only a very brief window by Mother Nature, to get a family in place. They really don't have infinite choice. Technology fools them into thinking they do.
Feminism and technology has trained them to avoid family, get a career instead. Women succeeded brilliantly at that. They got the career. Well done. The problem is for women: now they outcompete men, marriage has collapsed for most women. Why? There are not enough men around to form permanent pair bonds with, since women outcompeted men....and women prefer men more successful than they are. Ooops. Massive shift? Will that work?
We set up our economics and dating, against the norms of Mother Nature. The feminist plan is already backfiring at university, where women vastly outnumber men. Ooooops.
I think this is a great segment. I'd also like to say as the female breadwinner in my family, I hate being the breadwinner. And my husband not being the breadwinner is not because my husband is lazy or anything. He works very hard, 6 days a week, sometimes he is gone from 8 in the morning until 11 pm. But then he works for his family and their professions don't bring in the money.
Honest question, why do you hate being the breadwinner?
@@searose6192 Because she is a woman.
@@currymunch6097 I am asking her.
@@searose6192 because if god forbid I ever lost my job, that is where we get our health, dental, etc. I would have loved to stay home with our child when he was younger. He is currently in second grade. I hated missing all his milestones. And with my parents being in their 70s, I know I dont want them to go to a nursing home but again I have to work because we cant make it on my husband's salary and we don't get insurances through his job. So that's another thing on my mind. Sure, we can go through the marketplace for insurance but I doubt those are great options and we couldn't foot the normal bills and the insurance without my salary. Sure their are other jobs out there but hard to say how quickly I could get into a position and where it is. We can't really move because of my husband's job. There aren't many opportunities where we live (rural area). I already commute an hour to work and an hour home. I mean most of the time I love my job and my family. I just am a worry wart sort of person and it would be nice to not feel like everything is riding on me. I know my husband would do what he can to help us get by if something ever happened. I am just the type of person who would rather not be the breadwinner. And I really think that came to the forefront when we thought my dad might have his foot amputated (still could be a thing). My parents live an hour from us and I felt guilty about taking off work a few times to help out with my parents.
@@AcesMaven If you and your husband live within your means and by God's standards, then God's going to provide for your material needs regardless of who's the breadwinner. The Bible tells us to not be anxious about our material needs and to seek God's Kingdom.--Matthew 6:32, 33.
This segment was very fascinating. I love these intellectual conversations!
Agree with so much here. The only thing I'll add regarding to the difference in school aptitude is the nature of the average boy and girl with a school hierarchical structure. It seemed as though, in a co-ed setting, that the boys in my schools spent the majority of the class trying to outwit each other in a social way in order to impress the girls, yet the girls were pseudo spectators of the shenanigans and spent more time listening. This is not so much a maturity issue as it was a biological prevalence, with boys 'fighting' more overtly for dominance amongst their peers, which in turn hindered school work.
It's so absurd to think that all that they did was "level the playing field"
Totally,. mainly cause it's not a game
It was leveled. They tore down the idea of 'man' to make room for this new field.
White America are getting a wake up call. All of these things were talked about in 60s & 70s w/LBJ, Patrick Moinihan, and feminism and again during the 90s Clinton welfare reform days. All of those policies on custody, paternity, and gender went ignored because it was seen as a black problem. Now with widespread divorce and single motherhood in other communities, the country is seeing the same results in education and success for their boys that were only familiar with black boys. They’re seeing the neglect from mothers, high school, the academy, and result that it has on young boys.
Grew up in the inner city as a white italian kid in an entirely black and hispanic area. Can confirm, saw this among my friends and community members throughout life. No one on the national stage or state stage gave a real shit about the problems that came with that environment and the people in it. They were just labeled black problems and used them as a political football. Was just a matter of time before it was prevalent in all the other communities. Liberals took the vote and delivered nothing in part because Republicans never even bothered to compete for their vote.
Tell black males to father their kids.
It is not that women are better at education but that the education system is skewed in favour of women. The system needs to be fixed and made fair to men as well.
The educational field is not level: boys learn differently than girls, but the structure of education tilts toward the tendencies of girls.
Very great segment I advise everyone to watch in full
Today was one of my favorite episodes, thank you for having this guy on!
7:31
“We need a model of mature masculinity that is compatible with gender equality.”
That’s the quote we need.
No such thing exists unfortunately. Its fantasy.
I am always blown away by the consistent outstanding quality of the segments on this channel. I have been a fan since the HIll
Such a fascinating conversation. Loved this segment. Great guest!
Awesome segment. 100% agree. The scary thing is that his warning will fall on deaf ears and the current trend will only continue to worsen until there is quite literally a breaking point. Both political classes have sown the wind and they will reap the whirlwind. Sadly, I doubt anyone will wake up and take a measured consideration of the issue like Reeves has down. I really appreciate his work and I am thankful for Krysta and Saagar doing this segment.
The easiest solution was separating schools by sex. There was a conscious effort not to do it and to cater schools around the way most girls learned best.
We're already at the breaking point, nothing is going to change. We're in the middle of an evolutionary changing of the guards.
Any discussion of the situation men find themselves in that doesn't use the word "evolution" carries zero weight in my book.
@@SuperSupersoda Please, elaborate.
@@okaySam Every single difference in the way women are treated by society and the way men are treated by society boils down to one evolutionary truth: eggs are expensive, sperm is cheap. That's why men's brains develop later than women's brains do. That's why men are over-represented in the top 1% but also vastly over-represented in the bottom 25%. That's why there are more male CEOs and members of congress, but why more than 90% of the prison population is male, and why men are vastly overrepresented in murders and suicides. When you compare the whole of one to the elite of another, without looking at the downside, that's Apex Fallacy, it's a logical fallacy and bad reasoning.
All of this has an evolutionary basis. The mechanization of labor, and the de-valuing of large scale physical labor has greatly de-valued men's contribution to the labor force. It's not a coincidence that women's suffrage followed right after the industrial revolution: evolution would predict that outcome. That loss of leverage was a good thing, for the record: it led to a more even society, and because I'm a firm believer in letting evolution do it's thing, and that no good comes of human beings trying to engineer mother nature, I don't really have a problem with the male crisis right now. I think we're in the middle of a massive evolutionary re-alignment that's happening at a speed never before seen in human history. It's just taking time to find a new equilibrium.
@@SuperSupersoda Thank you for that. Makes a lot of sense.
Do you have an idea what that new equilibrium might look like? And why do you think feminism led to a more even society, when the male crisis (and whatever comes next) is the result of it?
I think when it comes to girls, the changing definition of feminism and the changing attitude toward masculinity has turned them off for the same reasons, i.e. calling masculinity toxic and trying to relegate men to a passive role. A girl may scream about that at a protest when she's 20, but when she is ready to have children, she wants a man that can protect, defend, care, fix things, etc. Not everyone works that way, but id say at least 75 percent of 30 year old women want a traditional, masculine man. And boys are being taught to bow their heads in shame and subjugate themselves, and women and society will embrace them. That will not end well.
Need more of this. Great segment
The "red shirting" idea seems like a good one. There is data out there supporting that kids (boys and girls) who are the oldest in their cohort, either born early in the year, or if born late are held back from starting school a year, perform better academically and behaviorally.
Most accurate conversation on this subject I’ve ever heard. Thank you guys for shining a light on this!! Can’t wait to order the book.
The best way I’ve been able to explain this to leftist women, is “we have Done a fantastic job of figuring out what is toxic in masculinity, we know what we don’t want, but we’ve done a horrible job talking about what is healthy masculinity. Can you even think of a conversation you had describing healthy masculinity? Or is this the first?”
Isn’t it amazing how women’s attitudes and behavior in never discussed. The behavior on the part of many women today is atrocious, yet you dare not speak of it. Within our society, why is there no mention of toxic femininity?
Excellent point! How is it received?
Why directed at leftist women? They don’t control the patriarchy. This should be directed at the group of people really in control…
Reflecting on my own upbringing as a Gen Xer, I've noticed something interesting. There seemed to be a strong emphasis on women receiving education, not necessarily as a tool for personal development, but more as a means of ensuring independence. It's as if our parents feared that without an education, we women might end up being overly dependent on the men in our lives.
Interestingly, practical skills like cooking were not emphasized as much as they were for some of my friends from other generations. Perhaps this was an unintentional byproduct of the drive to push women towards academics and professional life. The thought process may have been that if we were taught to cook, we might end up only cooking for men.
Despite not being taught to cook, I managed to learn on my own and have come to enjoy it. It's worth noting that learning such practical skills should not be viewed as a setback to our independence but rather as a way to be self-reliant.
Who knew that putting the blame on someone for the past mistakes of their gender and calling them misogynists for that would have terrible conciquences of self esteem...
lol reading comprehension really isn't taught in school ? The idea of "toxic masculinity" are broad cultural critiques of specific traits. Not all of masculinity. There are also toxic femininity as well. The reason the former is brought up more is because usually the ppl in power are usually men. Men's lack of self esteem has more to do with key structural issues in society like: lack of economic attainment and access to affordable psychological and healthcare. C'mon open a book before you speak. 🤣
Shocking!
This was a good discussing but I think left a few things out. Generally females date up social hierarchies. There have been a number of articles in recent memory where professional class women are asking where all the good men went. Well if boys are disadvantaged in the class room and not making it in universities there will be a lack of professional class men, simple as that. Russia, if I'm not mistaken had experienced a lack of men in certain social strata and it's caused strange societal effects. So solving this is important for everyone.
Secondly I want to add that feminism has lost popularity because it's not just a rights movement but also an ideology. The guest called it a cultural movement but it's more an ideology with its own lines of thought separate from the simple universalism of suffrage and opportunity. Patriarchy theory, stand point epistemology, and so on aren't needed to achieve equality under the law. When one introduces these ideological things you're no longer just asking for equal treatment rather your asking for belief.
Spot on^^
Well, not always. It's much more common among lower classes to try to date up, upper classes would be more flexible as there aren't that much choice if they all try to get a partner in the upper 1%. These upper classes women also have more means of their own so they feel less vulnerable.
The problem comes from most of these professional class women have four lower classes grand-parents, so they still have the lower class dating culture (marry/date up, or else you will struggle all your life), even though they should adopt the upper class women culture (is his assets a good complement to my assets).
@@mariannerichard1321 the nouveau riche are an easy target, but they're hardly the only culprits when you actually look back at enough nobility and royalty throughout history. None of them were just happy with squires, they all expected lords and tall handsome knights
You're out of touch with reality.
And by solving this you mean what, exactly?
As a queer person who grew up in the 80s and was never never given a script on how to be a grown person and had to figure it out on their own, I say this to men who are struggling. Just write your damn script. Don’t expect it to be written for you. Life is more enriching and worth living that way.
I couldn't agree more. 80 percent of men will fall because they wont be able to cope. But 20 percent will have this mindset and survive.
Your Gay you are aloud to do that. A Straight male that does that is considered a Raciest Sexiest Overbarring Pig.
😂 sure, have you spoken to men and gotten this or did you just hear more of what you wanted?
Enjoyed this segment. It was enlightening
This was awesome and insightful and perspective changing! Really looking forward to checking out the book! Awesome guest!
Wow, I LOVED this segment. I've been talking about the slower brain development in boys for years, but it NEVER occurred to start them a year late in school. That's such a simple, and yet brilliant idea.
I feel guilty for retiring and not serving anymore. Maybe I'll start being a substitute teacher to give back again. We may soon reach a moment when it WILL be "all hands on deck".
I have really feelings about that particular suggestion, my analysis of conventional education is that it is child hostile generally and needs reformation. Starting later can help but doesn’t address the root problems of starting all children on a stringent academic program too early, not enough movement, not enough free play, etc.
@@emilyreitnauer203 That sounds like a very rational point. We are all apes, and it’s just a fact of evolution that we are not designed to sit in chairs for 5 to 10 hours a day and be expected to not move around. Especially when we’re talking about young children. Very good point Emily!
No, it's not really accurate at all. School is not made for the masculine male. Many can succeed academically in other environments.
I've been reading about elite private schools having some boys start a year late, of course they have the advantage of evaluating every child on a one-on-one basis, but if they're doing this with a lot of boys, there's probably something to it, of course by the time the info trickles down to everybody else it'll be decades later.
They do better at everything, from sports to socializing to academics, if they start later.
Great segment. Thoughtful.
Nothing here about women increasingly becoming the breadwinner but still expecting a husband to make more than them as providers. Less and less men are now in a woman’s pool of potential mates, which means women are slowly classing themselves into having no options for a mate.
That is a big point. Better Bachelor talks about that. I think Sandman and Think Before You Sleep might also talk about that. The Pareto effect kicks in and the women ride the cock carousel with about 20% of the cocks being ridden by 80% of the cow girls. Another one is that the IQs of men and women are distributed differently with the male curve being above the female curve at the tails of the distribution (115). The STEM starts at around 110-115. This also accounts for the glass ceiling. You can't get women to keep the trains running or fix the plumbing, etc, etc because most them can't and the few that can usually don't want to do that kind of work. This guys thesis is fundamentally flawed. You can't address men's issues while keeping the tenets of feminism. More and more, it turns out that a women's place is in the home.
Excellent interview, someone who is actually talking sense rather than spouting partisan beliefs.
Well Krystal's still there, so the second criteria is still being satisfied.
In a world in which the phrase "Third Way" has become something of a slur, I think Reeves is putting forth a reasonable Third Way.
Once the porridge was too hot, now it is too cold, . . .
One thing that Reeves did not mention that ought to change is our divorce/child custody laws, which are unbelievably antiquated in their notions, unfavorable to men, and, in my opinion, the cause of many men falling into an "I can't win, so why try" attitude.
This is so interesting. Thanks for bringing this issue to light. We will have to rethink things. Masculinity seems to be extremely important for young boys. Boys need more help and I am so grateful for your point of view.
The moment one group, ANY group, advances at the EXPENSE of another, there will be potential for chaos. It is almost inevitable.
Incredible! My son is born in September. So he almost 6 entering into Kindergarten. We were also able to get him into preschool early as well. A week after he turned 2. So he had 4 years in preschool. This man is correct. He dominates in school and he more mature than other boys in his class. He was the only boy testing into GT. The fact that he was able to cognitively grow more before starting helped him tremendously.
There is ZERO evidence that starting school early has long-term benefits.....ZERO
@@msp5138 well, there were some pilot programs that showed positive results. also, many parents low key have done this with their sons already, albeit for sports
*Re: "We were also able to get him into preschool early."*
That was a good idea!
In addition, some kids may benefit from working a year or two between high school and college (especially when they're paying rent at home).
This is interesting.
Wow your son must be really smart to DOMINATE in fucking kindergarten haha! Is he doing *gasp* multiplication already? He must be a genius to do that!
Very awesome talk. I truly appreciate it
Great segment! Much needed.
Statements like “most men today earn less than they did in 1979” ignores that that’s true of all workers…some good points but it’s hard to see men as disenfranchised when they still hold top positions in just about every category of work life
The family balance is a mom and a dad and each one has a specific duty to raise a good family.
But that’s not always how it works out is it? Families are very dynamic and there isn’t always gonna be a mom + dad + kids situation and that’s okay
That's what someone from a third world failed state would say lol
@@huntermcgee4981 It may not always work out that way, that doesn’t mean it isn’t the ideal situation to raise kids
@@huntermcgee4981 why is it okay when outcomes are terrible??
@@gwills9337 why is the outcome terrible sometimes even when someone has a mom and a dad? It’s because everyone is psychologically different and humans are subject to nature and nurture and not every person raised in a good, nurturing environment will have a mom and a dad. That’s just the reality of the world
This guy to years to research this topic. Fantastic that he can now prove what I've been saying for at least 10 years - Feminism, or female empowerment (or any other label you want to insert) went from "women being equal" to "men are bad." It went from "I want a job and pay that is equal to yours" to "down with the patriarchy." From "I want an equal partner in our relationship" to "I am superior in the relationship and you are nothing." All of these things have in common exactly what the gentleman said, which is the social movements started off with noble causes, but after it told women they are equal, they started telling men they were bad....now men are confused and don't know what to think....there was never a replacement, just a finger wag. This gentleman is exactly correct.
Nut job alert, nut job alert.
@@ilikelichens You couldn't be more wrong czcams.com/video/-9YhPd1kpwQ/video.html&ab_channel=ItsComplicatedChannel
The fact that this is your takeaway from this segment is interesting.
I was friends with the head of admissions at my college and they told me that so many more women appled to that school, that all male applicants essentially got affirmative action to create a remotely gender balanced student body. The student body was 60/40 women to men, and this conversation occurred in the 90s.
This type of segment is why I love you guys. Shine a light on important issues in an apolitical way. Too many issues get wrapped up in political and cultural war dialogue and get lost in the noise. What an excellent guest
Except there's clearly a side of politics who's milked the demonization of males for almost a decade now. Democrats and their rhetoric are a big contributor to how society has turned against the average boy and accuses them by default of having privilege and being at fault for most of the problems out there.