Arcade Rhythm Games - The Story Of Programmed World
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- čas přidán 15. 08. 2021
- Konami's arcade rhythm games have gained some popularity in the west in the last 15 years. With the advent of improved internet technology, Konami put their arcade games online, to allow for the recording of data. During all this, a small network project quietly came along to make a massive impact on the western Bemani community. This is the story of the ill fated rhythm game shadow network Programmed World.
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Persona 5 - When Mother Was There
Kors K as StripE - Programmed World
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An interesting point to note: At the time of the PW shutdown, there were only FIVE Round1's open in the US and only two of them outside of California. I was very fortunate to be near one of those non Cali locations. By the end of that year they opened 3 more stores and by 2017 they were opening stores like crazy. If it weren't for covid, their expansion rate would have continued to grow into 2020 and beyond (many planned stores were cancelled). Hopefully in due time some of the major key areas without a R1 (or plans for one) will be able to get them.
covid shut down the one near me 😭
I wish they knew Europe exists
@@Danku Europe is a problem for online games due to the laws
Taunton?
6:00 if anything understates the issue; I've been unable to explain the rationale of Konami to outsiders who have not grown up with rhythm games and gotten Stockholm Syndromed into these business practices. it's incomprehensible to outsiders just how xenophobic some Japanese companies like Konami are until you understand how stonewalled they are deliberately, both in terms of sales and communication.
their business practice would be UNTHINKABLE to US companies - refusing to expand your product internationally would get some CEOs outright fired by their board of whatever company, depending on if they lacked sound reasons for refusing to expand. clearly, there is no real reason for this, as Kyle Ward has built a rhythm game (StepmaniaX) in the konami-style genre with an extremely small team that has shipped sales internationally and uses a network similar to Konami; likewise with Andamiro, who also ships internationally with a network and no problems.
Konami's bizarre and arguably self-destructive business practices can only be explained by xenophobia or some other irrational artifact of Japanese business culture. they are not a company that deserves any respect from the international market, and holding any admiration for them at this point is ludicrous.
Exactly, fuck Konomi.
American e-Amusement has also expanded to IIDX, but only with the lightning model cabinets. Standard IIDX cabinets and SDVX are still running Japanese e-Amusement.
iirc only r1 has these at the moment, d&b still only has ddr
That started with Heroic verse being in (mostly english right?
@@defaulttool man if DnB started getting iidx, that’d be great, but i think the general population will be confused and shy away. The rhythm game section at the R1 here is mostly empty aside from Saturdays.
@@defaulttool correct. I've barely even seen DDR outside of R1 and most of the time will just see PIU or something. Shit's crazy and it sucks since there are so many people that would love to play these games just don't have access to it
I came here thinking you were going to talk about the song Programmed World by Kors k. I ended up finding out some good yet saddening information about how IIDX will never come stateside. Great video.
Konami is so risk adverse, it makes me sad to think America will never have full e-Amusement support. Obviously the arcade scene in USA and Japan are extremely different, but the expansion of Round 1’s makes me hopeful that someday Konami might reconsider the American market. Anime and video games are extremely mainstream now especially after the pandemic; it would be great if a good % of the American communities got into our beloved JP rhythm arcade games since a lot of people have been visiting Japan and round 1 continues to open new locations.
Yall have no idea how privileged you are lmao. You guys are 1 hour away driving of playing bemani games while we south americans have to travel more than 1000 KMs. Be grateful that you have official cabs available outside Japan.
@@Matias-zh3dp Literally so unrelated to my sentiment, it’s not like I was the one who decided your country doesn’t have official cabs. North America can have its own complaints while you still have yours, but don’t antagonize the North American region for your bitter jealousy.
All I was simply saying is I would like it if the arcade rhythm game scene continued to grow outside Japan. Good job liking your own comment lol
We used PW in the SEA region too. The community had one IIDX cab in decent quality running SIRIUS, the arcade owner completely supported us with the decision and helped us keep the cabs in good condition. Had an absolute blast for those short years 🥲
By 2015, KONAMI did the impossible: a location test starting MUSECA and SDVX with online e-amuse. While we still don't have a huge amount of games here but it's such an important win for us who kept the BEMANI passion going.
what country if you don't mind me asking (i'm also from SEA)
@@lovelymayapopCould just be a similar story, but I'm guessing Indonesia and the IIDX cab would be the one in Batam. I'm really out of touch with the arcade scene since COVID happened, but before that point I remember some arcades around greater Jakarta area had official online IIDX and SDVX (and Oreca Battle, if anyone reading this would care lol). Things were getting better and I hope they still are now.
Other things of note I remember: Museca was loctested but well nobody has Museca in official capacity now. Nostalgia was too, but I lost the thread of where that one went, either way I don't think it ever got to be as popular as IIDX and SDVX.
@@nekochaya5570 Me just a SEA player passerby, but I'm impressed Thailand (HHM) had able to deal with Konmai too (given in video stated that it is very hard to strike a deal with them). We started with online Jubeat cabs, then now we have all, IIDX DDR SDVX Nostalgia GTDR, etc, albeit a very limited number, metropolitan only. I'm the one of lucky player that can go 50mins by car to one of those arcade.
@@paponwappen7165Yeah it's not a fast progress but I think they're more open to (East and SE) Asia distribution. US and Europe on the other hand...
"Konami very rarely dabbles in releasing games in the US"
bro, they rarely release games in the *entire american continent period*
The closest thing to beatmania/IIDX we got here in Argentina was EZ2DJ almost 20 years ago IIRC, and that was short lived.
I don't even know if we can *BUY* cabs straight from Konami to begin with, or have access to their network.
Andamiro was/is one of the few Rhythm Game companies that still ships stuff to south america.
They complain about piracy, but refuse to send stuff anywhere besides the US/Canada/Chile
TL:DR
fuck konami
Konami just doesn't sell to south america in general, which is why Pump got so popular there instead of DDR. Andamiro will gladly sell to individuals / small arcades, they don't care, just give them the money and they'll send you a machine.
copado encontrar a otro argentino interesado en los juegos bemani
@@whiely Somos pocos y mayormente viejos jajaja
Es que cada release tiene temasos y es lo que inicio el genero. Medio jodido no estar interesado si te gustan los juegos de ritmo
Me habria copado probar IIDX en un cab, lo mas cercano que voy a estar a eso es armando un control y correr un IIDX piraton o jugar BMS 🤣
@@absurddive Mira te digo la verdad, yo soy un pibe de 16 años nomas y hace años que me encantan los juegos de ritmo pero hace poco me meti en mas en el lado de bemani.
Yo creo que en un futuro (no se si lo termine haciendo yo) una cab de IIDX en argentina va a existir, ya sea por medios piratas o Konami poniendose la 10 y los manda para aca. Si, obvio, te van a romper el orto con los precios si lo haces vos mismo pero si lo ves como una inversion de hacer crecer a la comunidad al estilo PIU, vale la pena.
Igual ojo eh, que los piraton andan muy bien en networks privadas, igual no quiero estar hablando de esto aca JASDJASJ asi que cualquier cosa en sows y discord crack 😅
Maaan, your channel is so underrated, you have amazing content!!
It's been almost a year and a half since US E-Amuse for DDR has been updated. Sure, it's still online for score saving, but for some reason Konami is still making US players stick to A20+. I was lucky enough to play on an imported gold cab a little while ago (which obv runs the JP version of the game), and oh my God, we are missing a TON! No idea why they never released us A3, and it's quite a shame they still have not. I'm glad that the server is alive, but it's gotta have a ton of dust on it at this point. I want them to release it soon, as my R1 only has American-spec white cabs. (R1 please send JP HDDs or bring in a gold cab from overseas I'm begging you). I'm afraid Konami is going to just end support or leave us in this space of a "last version" until A4/idk comes out, and even then I'm not sure what they're gonna do...
Not sure how I didn't hear about this video before but I watched and I just want to thank you for making accurate rhythm game content about something very important in the history of the US scene. You got a few minor details wrong but nothing worth bringing up. There is honestly a lot more than can be dove into regarding this subject but I enjoyed the concise flow of the video. Good work.
Agreed on all fronts
this is why i’m thankful for projectflower
Wow, this is a well made video for rhythm games. I hope this video goes well and get noticed by people that are interested in rhythm game histories
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Amazing video man 👍 I'm more into the 5keys Beatmania but I vividly remember the shut down; our local community reunited at the arcade that night and we all played together for the last time, both old and new players.
Wondering what is the "plastic instrument games crash" you mentioned?
I talked about it a bit in Dead Rhythm Games - Guitar Hero but it was basically the point in NA when all the rhythm games that use a plastic instrument (guitar hero, rock band, etc) caused rhythm games to pretty much die in NA due to market oversaturation
What an interesting concept. Amazing video as always!
Boy am I glad that emuse is _slightly_ more accessible than before
another thing now, at the time it was DDR and Disney Tsum Tsum that were on Konami US E-amusement server, later on when Beatmania IIDX lightning cabs were available they were run on US Eamuse as well, which came out around 2019/2020, Right now we have DDR, Beatmania IIDX, and Sound Voltex Valk running Eamusement from the US side.
Is this where that unofficial Technika server got its name from?
Now we have U region e-amusement for IIDX Lightning Model and SDVX Valkyrie Model, compared to SEGA rhythm games KONAMI is at least doing something so we can play the official games in America
And then there is Europe 😔
i know right. i think he could gain a bigger audiance if he also targeted the problems bemani players in the EU face
There is one and only round 1 in Europe, and its in Moscow 🙃
Idk where in Europe you are, but the rhythm game scene is going crazy here lately
@@g3orge573 NL. I wouldn't say crazy, but we can play some Bemani games in some arcades.
@@mobiuslau You have almost every current bemani/sega game in NL, with more coming in the near future. What more do you want?
would have loved for this to cover the situation outside of america too, which have even less access to the game
the situation with Europe is even worse
I've seen some smaller arcades with up to date bemani titles in recent years. I guess they are just emulating online communication and not supporting e-amuse?
They're on Eagle server.
Oh hey I know that R1
Hey, Programmed World is a name of my favorite song made by kors k. I like it.
Yeah the network name was fully intentional.
South America would have one of the strongest community ever, and this will never be possible, thanks Konami...
No joke I just finished playing DDR extreme 2 before I watched this lol
ahem….
KONAMI WILL SUE