Turn an Art Trace into an Original Masterpiece?
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This painting is totally yours now. Gorgeous!
(Small librarian soapbox/cheer incoming! it's positive, don't worry.) Naming your source not only gives credit, but it also allows the artist who follows you, even decades from now, to trace a path back from the work. They'll discover the "conversation" between your work and the botanical bible. Then, they can look at any sources named in the book and follow the conversation back even further. (Try it sometime if you haven't, folks. It's like a delicious internet rabbit-hole turned up to 11)
Kristy, I know you acknowledged this by comparing it to writing a paper. I just can't help making the point explicit, because it makes me so happy. It's not a chore we should do from fear, but an investment in a rich creative environment for the future. OK, speech over! 😂
Love this speech! Pinning this comment so every reaaaadddd!!
In college I first learned about the wide world of collaboratively created artwork. I was introduced to the working thought process behind Any Warhol’s infamous soup cans… Basquiat’s commandeering of public spaces as his canvas…Richard Serra’s very private art in very public space, Christo’s literal wrapping up of public lands to make his very original artistic statement.
Intention and responsibility play a huge role in how we access other’s work, ping off of it and evolve it into something new, but it’s there for us to do just that. Responsibly
Its definately yours now! Its beautiful.... Salvador Dali said " Those who do not want to imitate anything , produce nothing."
The mood is happier. The trace is functioning as an underpainting. The 2 are very different.
You totally made this your own! I am trying so hard to get out of my ocd ways so that I feel like I can just see where my work will take me while inside I feel like there is a little version of me walking around, banging on a drum, singing "you suck, you're bad, you mess up everything" (oddly enough, a catchy tune)
That voice is in my head too. I’ve learned that this voice has only one power. Only one. The power to prevent me from doing cool stuff.
I think this is a known issue for all artist, LOL your critical voice sings OH MY
Very helpful video and that painting looks completely transformed into 'Kristy style' to me. I'm still at the stage where I am copying works of other artists that I'm learning from online. It's very helpful as a beginner and it's definitely helped my drawing and composition skills. I think since I'm someone who isn't selling their work or even showing it to others as their own, I'm comfortable doing that. One thing that struck me in your video is the conversation about fear. I question why I'm unable to move from copying to trying to find my own style and it really is all about fear. Something to work on for sure
honestly it was already transformed enough the first time! people are keyboard warriors i don't see how imitating a painting is any different then following a tutorial. the art will never be the same exactly and its a great way to learn!
(i like both your pieces too)
also i dont know how i missed this video when it first came out!
Great point!
I truly appreciate having the opinion of a professional artist on the subject of using references and making them original. As a newbie, I am inspired by so many artists and others photos and want to paint something from that inspiration, but am concerned it would be copying so then I don't try at all. This was so helpful! TY! ❤
Love it - I see no problem with acknowledging the source in the title, that surely honours the original. I really want to make art but, being terrified of the blank page, a trace is a helpful start - thank you for showing how to transform that into something original
One of the best reasons to trace!! Get over that white page hump fast!!!
I'm getting my 🐈 and we are sitting down watching this learning how to steal art and make it our own together. How fun is this.
❤️❤️❤️
Watching and listening to this video is wild. I don't do a whole lot of visual art anymore (though I may be getting back into it soon!) but I started from two different but I think complimentary directions: drawing cartoon figures (anime, really, but some western inspo too) and pixel art/sprite editing. I say they're complimentary because they're both very intention-filled, and when working on a canvas of about 50x50px, while there's a lot of unseen *work* in the finished product of choosing colors precisely and managing gradients, one pixel art a time... Every pixel is still *visible*. To me, the idea of putting effort into drawing something, painting it, and then just painting right over it? Feels like madness.
Which isn't a negative. I couldn't let go in the way you do with the watercolor stuff, I'm beginning to learn, lmao. Which is fine. I'm glad this world for you.
Oh wow so fascinating!! I do hope you get back into visual art!!
those dark negative spots made everything soooooo much better, wowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww.
Hey buddy. Do you do water painting?
I have a small book by Austin Klein called, STEAL LIKE AN ARTIST. Great little book. If you are questioning this method... Read the book. It's okay, loosen up!😊
Watch my video from last week… we are reading the same book :) This vid was a follow up to that vid :)
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I love your style! Just stunning. Thank you the great advice.
Thank you so much!
Absolutely gorgeous art! Love your rainbow ring & nail art too! TFS!
Thank you so much!
I think you've made this your own. Beautiful!
Thank you!!!
I love the bright colours of the end result, beautiful 😍
Thank you! 😊
Very transformed into your own
piece. This was a great video with a very good message
Glad you enjoyed it!
Wow, great words. Been working on being more loose in my paintings and just enjoying the process. I agree perfectionism=fear. Art has helped me so much. By the way you definitely made that your own and i love it! ❤ HUGS❤
Thank you!!
Wonderful tutorial. So helpful and encouraging. Thank you!
You are so welcome!
So beautiful with all those bright colors!! I wish I could show you what happened today with a practice and new paint. I heard myself say “blends blend “ 😂
I’ve learned more from you than anyone. I so appreciate all you share with us.
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Big Magic and Steal Like an Artist are two of my touchstones that I constantly return to. Love this.
Ahhhh perfect!
I love this! Definitely your own 😊❤
Yay! Thank you!
Love it, Kristy!!! Wish I could paint like you!
Oh thank you!
Love the pop ups and the painting!
😘😘 I was so proud of those goofy pop ups and you’re the first to mention them lol!!
Absolutely your own! Thanks for talking about this subject!
You bet!
You really teach a lot more than painting skills your fantastic 🤩
Thank you so much 😀
Wow! Learned so much😊
I'm so glad!
I'm in WV and was out photographing mountain laurel on my hike with family last weekend. It is such an interesting flower. I think it is also WV's state flower or shrub.
They are!!!
Its all YOU😊. Also, I trace sometimes because I can’t draw well and definitely mine turns out to be mixed media.
Love your channel!
Thank you so much!
I love everything about this! Thank you! I think it's all yours! You could name it revival 🎉❤
Love that!
Love your channel! New to paint! Still practicing on leaves! 🍃
Wonderful!
Love it!
You did a great job transforming at piece. I can tell you were inspired by it but no, you have not stolen it. Thanks for the video.
Thank you so much!
I cast a vote for you having you way crossed the line from steal to yours. This is fun to watch!
I’m glad!
Yes, it’s definitely your own, in my opinion, and it’s just lovely
I think so too!
Quote on quote artists especially ones that are selling their art get so wrapped up in the rules end come up with off the wall stuff like in water colors You can't use this and you can't use that and don't do this and don't do that it's absolutely ridiculous you can't have any fun. The subject of stealing other people's art, It's such a hot topic and among artists it really gets the conversation going. One hundred percent that is your painting in this case. In retail you are sent out to look at your competition and see how they're displaying their items and if it looks good you steal from them but, There's no law to say you can't make the same display. But in art, it creates so much argument. It really makes your head spin. Even when you don't even plan on selling it just for practice. If it feels wrong to you, don't do it...
So well said
you are super Amazing talent WOW So brillo ....thank you for sharing xxxxx
Thanks so much 😊
Love how you are truly making this your own. I love the abstractness impressionist style this has transformed into. I love that "Just make the art!" You say with such true passion I'm running to my art room now! And yes I love making bad art and good to my eyes art because it's fun it's joy it's because Kristy Rice says so. I'm doing it!
Wahoooo!
Would never guess the trace part! Fun watching!
I really, really like this!
Thanks!!
Ooo sticky topic. Finding the balance between inspiration, enhancing and copying. Even stickier if one then sells and profits from it. But the boundaries are shifting, esp with AI art now in the mix too.
Was watching an Aaron Schwartz documentary and they showed how the internet changed copyright laws.
Your piece was so interesting.
Oh sooo fascinating indeed! So much to consider :)
You definitely made this your own art!
Yes! Thank you!
Perfection is a form of fear. 😯😯 Ouch!! What a slap in the face and soooo true!! 😂 Guilty as charged. 🙋♀️ Personally, I think it looks too similar, but you are heading in the right direction. 👍 You seem to be taking a realism piece and turning it abstract with the square berries. As a non art critic, just a plain Jane who has no clue, my brain gets confused in that state(like it takes so much).... 🤪 I like the color changes!! 🌈
I know right? Huge aha moment!
@@KristyRice Totally!! 🤗
That struck me too. I feel like if it's not perfect no one will like it. Yet I see art and think if I did that I wouldn't show it to anyone. We are our worst critic out of fear I guess!
@@marytesta3003 Very true!
I love it! It’s totally yours!!!
Thanks!
Think of it this way… if a young child started singing beautifully…. You wouldn’t stop them and say… no no no…not until you write the song, compose the score etc…..
I just can’t 😂 As soon as the color blocks went down after a nice loose start… anxiety. Might skip ahead. 😳😂
It’s okay. Skip away 🙏🏻
I like yours much more than the picture❣️‼️
Ha ha thanks!
Love this mixed media. Don't we copy from God's creation all the time. Nothing wrong with tracing, especially with complicated subjects. Recently bought the Shirley Trevena book with mixed media . Took some ideas from her. You definitely put your stamp on it.
Need that book!
Agree
I love how this turned out. Can we use watercolor brushes with regular acrylics if not mixed together?
Absolutely! I would however use synthetics not natural bristle watercolor brushes
100% yours thanks😊
I was with you compositionally till you added the white sprinkles. Sometimes, I think we go too far with that particular technique. As far as the ethics.... I saw the author of the book you referenced speak. He was very inspirational. I myself am all for drawing & painting original pieces of other artists as a learning technique, I've never thought of actually altering an original to the point of making it mine. I'll try it. But, I have an inner voice that keeps telling me that trying to sell it is still cheating.
Yeah I kind of feel like spatter is a love it or hate it thing lol
Collage of ideas ❤
Yes!
You totally made it your own. I liked it better than the first one you did.
Ha thanks!!
doesn't look anything like the original. I think it is fine. Love the colours and the direction.
Thank you!!
Side by side, I can still see they look very similiar. Especially with the butterfly where it is in relation to the berries.
I can understand using the original as a source to see how the berries look or the shape of the berry leaves. And then arrange them in your own pattern on the page. Not everyone will have access to actual berry bushes. One needs some kind of refrence.
I can understand tracing pages from a coloring book because you dont want to color in the actual book + maybe you want to practice a new media. Maybe you want to practice blending markers or you are just coloring for stress relief. Or maybe you are brand new to painting (like I am) and you are just learning how to actually paint. That I can understand - but you are not selling stuff. You just want to learn how to create shadows and light and you are at the very beginning stages of understanding this stuff. And not everyone has a goal of selling.
But I would not copy ART. Use reference photos.
All well thought out points but it all begs more questions.
Any Warhol’s soup cans… presumably made him a lot of $$ and his was worse than a trace by some standards. However his intentions weren’t to copy but commentary, just like mine. Mine is homage to Victorian botanical art.
It’s not an easy copy but don’t sell convo. How do we measure the sincerity of intention?
@@KristyRice i dont know anything about soup cans. I don't eat stuff out of cans. Its bad for your health. And I don't understand why anyone would want to paint a soup can when there is nature outside. Oh I have autism so I think differently than neurotypicals. And I really don't understand modern art. I only know if I go walking in the woods - which is where I was for 1.5 hours - I don't see colored squares floating in front of the scenery. But if they make you happy that is all that matters. And when you have autism you often get hung up on "rules". I am just trying to learn how to paint. Or to color with markers without getting a bunch of streaks. 😐 its good for anxiety. Because its relaxing. And I am trying to draw Slapshot (who is a quarter horse I know).. I put him in my bullet journal and some cactus (because they are easy to draw 😉) but if drawing soup cans makes you happy then you should try to draw that. 😊 but to be honest I don't understand why someone would want to draw soup cans. I guess they like to eat soup?? I have so many food allergies + sensitivities I cannot relate to that anymore. 😐 dumb corn allergy.
You killed it!!! Looks nothing like the original.
😘😘😘
Kristy - unless it is my imagination- I noticed a Color Cube???
Can you give your thoughts on this products and its value when watercolor painting please??? TY
You’re not mistaken! I actually did a video with a lot of info about them:
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Thank You so much Kristy!!!
Hello from Australia I’m new to watercolor and you channel . I’m wondering can you please tell me what where the black pens you used. Thank you
Oh man.. Do you have any artwork?
Kristy it’s your art!
Ok, I’m admitting my dirty secret, I steal from photos. I live in Arizona, in the lower Phoenix basin. We average 9” of Rain a year. We live amongst cactus. My muscle memory can draw any cactus 🌵. So I trace pretty photos of flowers, My best friend lives in PA. We trade photos. If there is a photo online ask the person who took it. I’m getting better at cutting things out and composing them. Animals may take 10 tries to trace before you catch that sparkle that only they have. Thank you whoever invented erasers.
That’s a good secret with no shame to be had :)
I just drew some Arizona cactus yesterday! In my bullet journal! Used a reference photo to see what they looked like and then drew them on my own. I am new to painting and I thought a cactus is hopefully something easy to paint. Later today I will try painting them. 😊
What you make is a new, "fully yours" original... under copyright law, every new original belongs to its maker. You can only copyright an exact format, not an idea. Ideas being to everybody.
You RAWQUE (I made it my own)
😂😂😂😘
An artist once told me, nothing is new or “ original “ it’s all been done before. 😂😂
I might have been that artist…. Lol
@@KristyRice ❤️❤️🌺
I think it looks totally different.
👍🏻
Can I still sell it legally though? Without the author/photographer nailing me for plagiarism or copyright?
Given all my years of experience in the licensing world… I do believe for example, thst I could sell this piece as an original. Many would disagree. But I have completely transformed 10 minutes of tracing into something that in no way resembles or cheat’s the content of the trace.
I won’t deny it’s a gray area and you do need to be careful and very honest with the end results before you go ahead and decide to commercialize in anyway but I’m hoping that the example I presented here makes that decision making process just a little bit more clear.
@@KristyRice Yeah, I totally love the idea, but I will have to think about it. I could also probably try to get A.I. to create something for me to travel and transform. This looks like so much fun though! I love watching your videos 🌷.
I have to admit, I was a bit skeptical when you started out. It seemed too much like the original. But by the end, it was, in my opinion, very much your own creation.
Thanks :)
Hanging on my wall is an antique painting that I'm pretty sure is someone's student work where they copied a master artist. IMO, there's nothing wrong with studying (by that, I mean learning by attempting to emulate their work) the work of master artists. On the page or on the back, I will write that this was a study of the artist___. I wouldn't sell it, although it's funny because about 100 years later, clearly someone sold this guy's student work. If I am creating something for myself, I may be doing my interpretation of a mid-century or 19th century landscape to hang on my wall. I don't feel bad about that because few people are going to actually see it, I'm not trying to market my art, and, if anyone did see it, I'd happily tell them the truth. More than likely, they're going to assume it's a print. 😂That being said, as a creative, it really bothers me for other people to steal ideas from me. With the internet being basically a black hole, it's impossible to share your work or look something up to see if it exists without unwillingly sharing your ideas. It's bad enough that people I know do it. I've had people steal plot ideas, phrases from my writing, my bucket list, and my friends. That's probably why I don't try to put my work out there. I just enjoy doing it for what it is.
I feel you. I’ve just won a size-able settlement because another brand literally recreated my exact art and used on desk accessories. I used to chase my copiers in an a healthy way and for a time it got in the way of so much progress personally.
But this is all an entirely different convo but honestly one Id like to explore more!!
I can understand your reluctance to share your body of work on social media. Not everyone understands the difference between inspiration, influence from one’s mentors, the value of master studies, and theft/blatant copying. There’s a new YT creator who is also new to painting, and they overtly steal from other artists. Every other sentence is one of the following: “and now I’m going to add my signature ______(fill in the blank with something obviously stolen or a type of mark making that is so generic that it makes no sense for them to call it uniquely theirs).” “I am a prolific artist.” “I’ve only been doing this since the pandemic and have only had a few online classes; I don’t know the technical term for what I’m doing.”First I thought the channel owner was a troll, then I realized that they are serious. Any comment that offers a genuine, constructive, or academic critique gets deleted, and although the creator claims to be online to teach in spite of being new to painting, they guard a certain process with their life (again, nothing new or unique, but interesting), stating “It took me so long to learn and perfect this process, I may never teach it.” How sad.
@@apocalypse_frau I know exactly who you're talking about. They were selling copied work and, I'm fairly certain, buying likes. I called them out on Instagram and they got really mad and blocked me. 🙄 I wondered if anyone else noticed what was going on.
@@TuxieTude yes; they sell on instagram. I thought that I was the only one who could see the hypocrisy until I realized my replies to others on YT had been deleted. I haven’t been to their instagram, but I think they’re buying subscribers on this platform. The math isn’t mathing. Just for funzies, I am going to count that person’s catch phrases and quotes of note in their next video, and keep a running tally moving forward. Maybe I will use my “signature” tally marks in my next work. 😂 🤣 Thank you for speaking out; I was beginning to think my expectations are too high, and our society is morally bankrupt.
@@apocalypse_frau Lol Signature tally marks. 😂 No, you're definitely not alone in seeing the hypocrisy. I saw it right away on Instagram. When you're gaining a thousand followers every other day or so and most of those followers have no profile picture or haven't posted anything something is wrong. It made my heart hurt to see other's work being copied and sold as one's own without any form of acknowledgement. I can't stand things like that. Honestly, I think a lot of people these days are fairly morally bankrupt but I often see things a little differently than most. 😅
while i understand art theft...i feel like i should point out that folks are allowed to copy paintings...also...there is growing evidence that old masters 'traced' their subjects via light sources and sketched them in that way...in either case or in tracing...you can certainly call it your own...because when you make a copy of the mona lisa...you have to alter it in some way...and when da vinci sketched his muse for the painting...he probably used light projection to sketch her in...but experimented and used his own experience and expertise to bring her to life...just my two cents
Don't think it's a rip-off. Even the sciences build on what was created in the past.
If you state your inspiration in the title, do you need to ask for the author's permission? I would love to learn more about this.
Legally, if you’ve changed the artwork enough and it stands clearly as a honorary piece, I don’t believe so. I’m not a lawyer but this has been my experience.
For example in college I created a collage piece after reading The Handmaid’s Tale. I used photocopies of the book pages,
cover and integrated with my own illustrations etc.
I titled the piece after a quote from the book, something like “I do not wish to gaze at something that is no longer mine”. I sold this piece under the guidance of my professor ultimately and we discussed the ways in which it wasn’t copying but commentary.
@@KristyRice Yeah, that sounds like a tricky subject, but great if a person can pull it off. I am not sure if I could trust my own judgement enough, in that case, ha ha! I would need a second opinion from a professional before I ever put something like that up for sale.
@@KristyRice that sounds like an incredibly powerful piece!
I trace all the time.. I have learned the most of my skills by tracing some one beautiful art. Do I sell it? No..
Ok, I don’t see anything about the original, so why even take the time to trace and just skip to colorblocking and then draw/paint?
Interesting point. I’m still seeing the clustering/cascading of berries + melon and placement of the butterfly.
There are so many reasons any artist beginner or otherwise would start the process the way I did, with a trace:
1. A love and adoration of botanical renderings from the 17 and 1800’s inspiring a new work not built off botanical intricacy like the original but something else. The trace in this case become a rough blueprint for the honorary piece. Imagine it as a new way to collage without actually using a photocopy of the page.
2. No interest that day in flexing my sketching muscles.
3. Needing a compositional jumping off point and a desire to focus on line quality instead of illustration skills for the first layer of my piece.
There are soooo many reasons🤍
For me I can't draw well(I actually found a class I'm in) so will sketch trace but never use the same colors etc. I'm not even a good enough artist to copy😅
Completely original.
Are you an artist? Do you do water painting?
It's totally your own.
Tracing someone else's art would never be acceptable for me. The very idea of it is too cringey.
And that’s totally okay :)
Not a fan.
Do your own work from your self
I did :)
You took someone's artwork, traced it and colored it in. No, it's not an original piece. It is a very easy way out of taking time to draw and compose a piece. Lots of YT'ers are fond of tracing, instead of actually drawing something original.
I do appreciate your input but I disagree. Much respect regardless :)