The Nikon Z6iii, Z8, Z9 or ZF - An Honest Talk
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- @liamgoodvisuals and I have had a little hands on time with the Nikon Z6III, and here are our recommendations. Members site monthly: www.taylorjacksoncourses.com/...
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In this video we talk about the Nikon z6 iii, vs the zf, vs the z8 vs the z9. Specifically when it comes to wedding photography and hybrid video coverage.
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Also, Nikon... plz 1.4 primes.
Josh 😍😍
@@j.sauer.photo_ I wonder if Nikon will let Tamron and/or Sigma make the f/1.4 primes?
I've been using Nikon since 2004. Each system has their pro's and con's, it is really up to what works for each photographer. It could also be that the thought of selling everything to switch systems could be a poor business choice especially if your shooting all year long. Bringing in a new system alongside as a test seems like a much better business choice. That being said, I'm sticking with Nikon until I retire. Currently using a Z9, ZF and D850 for backup.
To me this sounds like such a perfect set of cameras 😭
just at two years with my Z9 and im currently at 717691shutter clicks! I love this camera
it doesn't have a mechanical shutter the numbers are irrelevant it should shoot literally millions of shots .
That's just one wedding
My mechanical shutter on my D750 failed on me during a wedding. Right as the couple was doing the first kiss. I had a D4 on me as well but it had an 85mm on it and I was up close because I was using a 17-35 on my D750. Needless to say I missed the kiss 🫠🫠🫠. Never going to have that problem ever again with my Z9 😅
Either way you would have missed focus hahahahaha 😂. Experience Greatness Sony, Canon, and newly crowned Panasonic. Best autofocus in the game atm.
@@alphaandomega2709 missed focus on a D750? You must be under 30 years old 🫠.
@@alphaandomega2709greatness sony?😂🤣😂🤣
@Photomeike Missed focus on a D750...not sure its ever happened...let alone D5, D850, D500. Not under 30....
Ordered a Z6III on day 1 to go with Z8.
@@alphaandomega2709
sony focus fastest But not the smartest focus
The most polite conversation ever
Canada!😊
Finally, ZF comparison with 6iii ... should make a different video comparing both. With features and what are the major differences or minor differences apart from the ergonomics
I think the Z6III is a huge win. I will buy it as a adtion to my Z6II.
Taylor I appreciate your videos. I keep seeing this thing about Nikon and video recording to two card slots, my take is this whenever digital started SD cards and digital media wasn't reliable. I have had many hybrid cameras on the past 7 years, probably since 2020 I have not done memory back up for any professional jobs, a few caveats, I don't cheap out on memory cards, I don't pass memory cards from a camera to another without formatting them in the new camera before shooting. For reference I use currently the A7SIII, A7IV, Fujifilm xh2, Fujifilm XS20. I really believe we are pass the point of mid reliability on camera cards into pro systems
Those camera are fantastic. I enjoy my ZF along with my glass : 135mm 1.8S Plena, Voigtlander 58mm 1.4, Nikon Z 40mm 2.8, Nikon Z 26mm 2.8, I’ve now sold my Z7II.
I still haven’t used the 135 but it looks great!
woah.. that lens setup sounds dreamy!! 😍
@@NetvoTV I sometimes use my shutter dials on my zf just for the feel but there are times I just use the dials instead since its faster for me to adjust the dials
Ooooh I need to use the 135 1.8
@@NetvoTV The "Press a button, turn a command dial" operational mode has been part of Nikon AF SLRs since the late 1980s [F801 / N8008]. After a while, it becomes very simple with the consistent actions.
Have Z9, just pre ordered Z6III for travel and content creation.
I’ve been on the Z6ii / D750 for two years and am so pumped for the Z6iii. It’s mainly for the upgraded autofocus. I pre-ordered one and if it’s all good, I’m gonna get another one. I hope the dynamic range is as good as the Z6ii.
It will be better in DR. I shot with a Z6 and D850 but the Z6 III ill replace both. I do not need Z8/9 45mpx. Where I moved to 24 years ago it will take a long time before we see and Z6 III unless I fly back the US to get one that added $2000 it the cost. Everyone thinks I am crazy for still using the Z6 but it is me #1 body over D850 which is likely the best DSLR ever made but the low light performance, weight, image quality and my subjects are people so I do not need the latest AF system because I average 2 missed focus per 500 frames, which is better than my second shooters with later Canon and Sony users who brag about how much better AF they have....but the results betray them, I get the cards and do all the editing...color and AF , plus the Z lenses and low light performance the old Z6 is the better tool. A Z6 with a 85 1.8 or 1.2 just gets better results over a long shooting day, Same with studio work and my ballet and live theater work the files are just better. Some times I use a second editor on a long event like international economic forums with 8 days and 140 countries represented, there is a lot of frames to process, each single shop or video(I use a wireless boom for audio assistant, and a spotter, a girl who knows who everyone is so there is no mixup in names/countries represented. For me, Nikon has never failed me, so there is zero incentive to switch, no brand has the 50 1.2 and Plena or as true colors, consistent menu or low light performance. And never worrying about one failing. I do not hire seconds with Sony too flimsy in build, too little access to parts and no parts are available for cameras out of production.
I have a gear crush on the a series, I was in my local camera store over the weekend looking at the sales and they had a Nikon z63 and it felt really good in my hands. If I was resetting and starting new I’d have a z8 and z63 in my bag and a zf with me at all times with that new 35 1.4 glued to it
I had a shutterfail in the middle of a wedding back in the days... it was a 5D mk1 which was not used to heavily at the time... so NEVER say never, it can happen.
I agree on the Nikon ergonomics and the way the grip feels. I shot a borrowed Sony A7r3 with a 100-400mm for a sporting event just to try it and the yes the grip with the weight of the lens (while not to heavy) where the zoom ring is required me to hold it closer to the body and made using the Sony more uncomfortable. My Z9 with the heavier 180-600mm I can easily walk around and hold all day without any issues. While it’s heavier, it’s just balanced and easier to hold.
oh man.. i'm such a huge fan of Liam's work.. and he's seriously one of the very few photographers that makes me wanna stick with Nikon.. even tho im still on DSLRs i've been slowly upgrading, hopefully i can trade my D750s to D780s one day.. or save enough to go for mirrorless altogether, maybe Z6 or Z6ii if possible.. is not that easy here in my country..
So kind! All the best on your photo journey! ❤
@@liamgoodvisuals Tyvm, my wife is also a fan of your work hahaha all the best to you too
Just been notified that mine will be available for collection tomorrow morning - it's only a 20 minute journey but I'm leaving now!.
Hah Nikon does a great job of getting cameras out fast
Keeping my Z6ii and Z8. This will make a great 3rd body.
I hope your Z6II won't be too unhappy about becoming the third body. 😂
@@UnconventionalReasoning she has purpose. Modified for H-Alpha wavelengths. Like the D810a
Since you shot the a7iii how does it compare to Z6III?
I’ve already kind of asked something similar on a previous video, but I’m seriously looking at jumping ship from Fuji to the ZF and I’m also starting on the hybrid train (monthly price noted!), does the ZF allow you to shoot a good amount of raw and then switch instantly to record video…I know the dial is crap but does the buffer allow it? My Fujis definitely have a lag and lock things out until it’s all written to card.
Matt Granger did have the sensor shield break on his Z9. I think he might have dropped it, I can't remember. So, no shutter failure, but the sensor shield can break and not retract. on the Z9 and Z8. Just thought I'd throw that out there for you to chew on in the middle of the night before a big wedding.
Oh yes this is true hahah. Thank you
Only Kai breaks more camera equipment than Matt Granger. He has destroyed tanks like the D4. It's good that somebody abuses their gear, so we do see the edge cases. 😂
ive used 2 z6 bodys lots of d7200,s 2 d4 an d4 an d4s a d3x im on second d850 the reason i sold the z6 on was the dirty sensor after a lens change racing circuits and airfields etc get dusty it really is a problem on a mirror less body the only 2 z bodys i would try would be the z8/z9 for the sensor cover i bet they dont brake an its down to dropping the camera doh!!
@@knoxyish With that many bodies, why were you changing lenses? 😂
@@knoxyish The dust shield has little or no effect in dust. Sure the cover prevents most dust being attracted to the sensor but when the shield swings out of the way the dust is still in the cavity so just delays depositing on the sensor until the cover retracts. Seriously, how many times have you needed to clean your sensor? I have needed to wet clean the senor 4 times in 5 years. With a good cleaning kit, I just routinely do it before an important session, it is very fast. Start to finish it takes 1 minute.
What picture profile you use for Nikon video and do you shoot in auto white balance to accommodate for the changing light... And how does the auto white balance work?
So I have a D750 but I'm not a pro, I don't do weddings or anything. I just like photography, especially when traveling. I looked at the Z6/7 (II) before but I got the impression that it might not be an improvement in every way over my D750. AF-wise, for wildlife, it might be worse. I think the Z6 III speaks to me. It's not just the AF, but also the IBIS (Hudson Henry had a shot at 75mm and 1/2 sec that was sharp), and of course the other benefits like exposure preview and AF all over the frame. Also, the screen flips vertically as well, which I like for low angle portrait orientation shots. I just hope SnapBridge is reliable for geotagging since plugging a dongle into the accessory port would limit the movement of that screen. It's smaller and lighter than my D750 as well, which I appreciate.
I do wonder if it is overkill though. It is also not cheap for me; I bought the D750 used for GBP550. If I buy it, it will be by far the most money I've spent on a body. And then I have to get lenses as well. I know I could adapt my existing ones, but I want to at least get the 14-30, and then changing lenses becomes like juggling with the FTZ. Also I do occasionally do wildlife with a 100-400, for which I often have to crop. The Z6 III doesn't give any more leeway for that.
Another cost-related thing is insurance. Especially if I go traveling, it will be more expensive to insure new mirrorless gear. Besides that 14-30 I'd probably get the 24-120 and 100-400. Meaning it's several thousand pounds of gear. I'd also hate to think that that could make me a target for theft. I don't want to think about that all the time when traveling.
Any recommendations?
Without any urgency, you might want to wait until the end of the year. Last year, the Z8 was released at $4000 USD, and by November it was on rebate at $3700. Last month, the price went down again to $3500. The Z6III may see some discounts at the end of the year.
Just switched back to Nikon from Leica. Still rocking a D850, but bought a Z f. Looking deep into the Z6III. Any thought on waiting for global shutter or dual write?
Final Cut Pro just included an AI slow-mo feature making the 60fps recording rate redudant. You can totally shoot at 30fps now and make things happen anyway.
The ZF feels like the right spot in terms of price vs features, at least in Europe where they kinda blew up the Z6III price.
Yup.
Would that have been a z6ii that the Sony kit was sold for? Or the Mk1?
There is a good Nikon interview at DP Review which was published yesterday. They acknowledge a lot of interesting things. I hope they don't forget their APS-C (DX) customers which are more like first time camera buyers. Don't leave that field to Canon R7 or Sony A6700 customers.
Since I invested in the Zf and Z8, I won't be getting the Z6 III (which I guess is a good option if you want both of those in a single camera, and as such, the Z6 III would be redundant for me, but I do still prefer to have two camera bodies anyway, one as a backup). So I think for the right person, the Z6 III makes sense. If you already own the Zf and don't need the video features, then you're not really losing out on much. The Z8 is obviously a Z6 III and more (mostly like a Z9 without the extra bulk/weight). For most people though I think if resolution is not a concern, the Zf or Z6 III will do (although since Nikon does claim the Z6 III is 20% faster than the Z6 II, does this mean it's say 10% faster than the Zf or what?)
With a Z9 or Z8, the choice of a second body between a Zf or z6III seems to be about operational uniformity. Does the photographer want two cameras which feel mostly the same, or is the dramatic difference appealing. It seems like Liam may prefer the Zf because it doesn't feel like his "work" cameras.
Definitely upgrading to the z8 and z6iii or 2 z6iii
Need the ZF user link TOM woldenburg or holdenberg that was mentioned in the video who sold NikonZ9
At 11:40 you talk about shooting medium raw size but I didn't think that was an option on the z8/z9, but those are the cameras that Liam uses?
it's not called medium raw, it's compression options. I use the middle one to bring the files down a little
The Zf is a stand-in for the FM3A! 😂
The Z6III vertical grip is different than any other, it's the MB-N14, the Z6II/Z7II use the MB-N11 and the Z8 uses the MB-N12.
I always appreciate when CZcams photography influencers emphasize the ergonomic benefit of the grip. Sometimes people think, if their wrist hurts, they want the camera without the grip, but the grip actually helps.
When Liam talked about "medium raw", is that the HE or HE* options? Or does it have a reduced megapixels raw option? Reading the "documentation", it seems that the medium image size only applies to the jpeg files, but it's easy to misinterpret the information. I know some of the DSLRs like the D850 had lower resolution raw files, but I thought Nikon dropped that in favor of the HE/HE*?
Luv my zfc
I was using my new ZF to shoot a party in a barn. Once the light started to go, I attached my SB800 to light the scene, only to find that the viewfinder and screen, go so dark that you can’t see your subject. I’ve been searching for an answer, as I thought I might be doing something wrong but can’t find a solution. This doesn’t happen on my Z7. Surely this can’t be right?
Apply settings to live preview turned on?
@@mikh8l Thanks for your help. Yes, I have now turned it on and it’s works.
Thanks for asking this question
It sound like the ZF is a quite capable camera with its only fault being the ergonomics ??
For some, there are other small quirks and quibbles. The second card is a micro SD, The battery is smaller than the Z8/Z6III battery.
Zf and Z6III use the exact same battery and are rated at the exact same amount of shots @@UnconventionalReasoning
@@JHL1994 My mistake, I thought it had a different battery. Thanks for the correction.
@@UnconventionalReasoning yeah, honest mistake!
There is no Medium RAW in Z9/Z8 like we have on Z7... unfortunately... Somehow I thought for a moment that they finally added it via firmware... 😅
How does Liam use it then haha
@@TaylorJacksonPhoto Ask him 😅 He is probably talking about RAW new compression, but not Medium RAW like in Z7. 😉
It’s just different language. It’s not called medium raw, it’s 3 different compression options of the raw files. I use the middle one.
lol 895,196 shots would have been around 355,000USD if shot on Kodak Golds…
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Hey. Try the Megadap. Makes Nikon/ Sony a no-brainer.
Also on Zf, you can get small lenses with aperture rings.
Could you tell how is the AF performance when adapting a Sony lens to a Nikon Z? It is definitely a very good idea (the 50mm 1.2S is to bulky, I would like to take the 50mm from Sony)
Nikon Getting Good In there System and Body. ..we will wait the Canon R6 Mark III 😃😄 it will be a Beast if 30MP.. .
would the Z6iii Autofocus be a huge step up from a D750 when it comes to autofocus performance? My largest concern with the newer nikons is the Eye Af seems to front focus quite a lot.
I have recently gone from d3s and d800 to z system (z9 and zf). Yes the autofocus is a huge step up for these aging eyes! Yes, there is a learning curve and I am needing to trust the camera more, but as soon as I pull up the files I am pleasantly surprised. Also enjoying the lighter bodies. I have not experienced the front focusing I have heard with the z6/7 bodies. (Im shooting with the 85 1.8 wide open)
@lucybluemoon51 yes but the z6iii is not the z8 or z9
+1 who have D750 and thinking to switch to Z6iii because of the eye af. So what is the situation with eye AF in Z6iii?
@@timmasters4893the z8 and z9 don’t have front focusing issues. “Quite a lot” is not accurate, it’s more accurate to say “on very rare occasion”. Z6iii will likely perform the same. Z mirrorless af is more consistent, precise and much easier to get acceptable results compared to DSLR. In my opinion.
@livejames9374 I have already seen sample photos taken by the z6iii that look nice but when zoomed in you can see its focus point is on the nose or hair. It is known that Nikons eye AF is not as consistent as Canon or Sony. I am sure it would be a big step up from the D750 because it also is not perfect. I actually View the Z6iii as what the F750 was when it came out. Lots of trickle down from their pro bodies. Very excited but I also feel like the tech from the Z9 is now 3 years old and an Expeed 8 is likely to be used end of this year or next year. And with that processor I think it will be game changing. I'm just sick of waiting
Regarding the memory card comment, Im on the side of not having all your eggs in one basket. Walk on the carpet too hard with your socks on and then you can shock that card, losing everything...
Liam can easily be a film actor.
@12:38 Medium Raw files, what?! Z7II have medium raw, but not Z9/Z8
I'm just shocked Liam's using the Nikon Z strap for his camera... Woah.
they’re so grippy! I have other straps but this is the only one that won’t slide off my shoulder randomly
Support lenses, not hold the weight by grip - FOR ANY CAMERA.
Wow, editing that many photos must be excruciating.
Had a Nikon D800 with over 800k on the original sensor! D850 and D4 with over 300k. Ironically the z6ii sensor went out around 100k. 😢
I have a Z6 with 690k frames and I ever shoot burst, never fails me. I also never had all the AF problems people rag about all the time. But I shooting ice hokey at the glass and the Z6 is the first camera out of the bag and D850 is in backup that has never been needed
Z6 III would have been OK, only If a high res Z7 III had been announced at the same time and the price had been more comparable with the Sony A7 IV.
6:00 I guess you think z8 for families and going out is too big? I am thinking on selling x100v and Q3 and buy it. I want one body for daily and for wildlife/landscape
I’ve used the Z8 for photographing my kids with the 26mm 2.8 pancake lens. But that lens is tiny. I wouldn’t find the z8 enjoyable to walk around with my kids with a different lens
Liam is looking slimmer and hotter
Hey Taylor and Liam; Usually I don't use much of the video featuers; How would you rate the ZF compared to the Z6 III in price/value and what's actually the benefit of the Z6III compared to the ZF in terms of the partially stacked sensor ? Basically I would say, the ZF is the perfect camera for me and I really love to carry it arround but still, sometimes I feel curious about comparing features of the newer bodys, but I can't see much of a reason to upgrade (Sorry, not a native speaker...best wishes from germany) thanks for your work
The only reason I would go from zf to z6iii is if I wanted better all wedding day ergonomics
@@TaylorJacksonPhoto thanks Taylor for your fast and kind response. I really love your content.
Best wishes,
Michael
Z6 III the GOAT ! No debate
I shoot Nikon whole my life - they do not care to contact ppl who are loyal to the brand… my experience is they do not care for their loyal users at all… contrary to Leica or Sony. I’m really sad about it as i love Nikon.. but hey just don’t care as a company…. :( 25 years in - nobody proved me im wrong :( :(
Hard to imagine going from the sony platform to a Z6 for wedding photography. My Z6 doesn't have very good eye detect autofocus.
it was a weird choice I must admit. but glad I stuck with the system!
I have the OG Z6 and the auto focus frustrates me. I’m debating on the z8 or Z6 3 but a little nervous about the auto focus on the Z63. So leaning on the z8
So was the a7i and a7ii
@@mikebrown200004 you’ll be really happy either way :)
@@mikebrown200004 z63 is 90% th3 af speed of the z8/9 twins
The Dynamic Range and Iso performance of Z6III are not good as z6II. This sucks.
A stop better in tests and reports by early reviews
I don’t think you were using a z6iii for those tests
8k/60 fps might be good for capturing UFOs 🤣😂
I sold all my Nikon gear (which included the Z9), bought two A7IVs and eventually built out a full kit. I’m only really jealous of the ecosystem. I miss Nikon’s colors, didn’t like the weight of the faster primes, but love the Z8 being affordable. I wish Sony had an option like that. The A1 being $6500 is ridiculous.😊
The z6iii pretty much offers what a7s3 was offering other than low light, the zf for that style edc, the z9/z8 as the tank workhorse.
Z7 would prob be a hi-mp dream camera considering how z6iii came out , cant wait for z5ii aswell
One of the best things about Nikon cameras: delivering jpegs out of the camera without editing. [I hate editing... 😂]
BUY IT AND HIRE ME NIKON. LIAM IS GOD