Saiyans VS Viltrumites
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- Whether you've watched the anime Dragon Ball Z or the animated series, Invincible, it's probable that you're acquainted with their power and impressive abilities due to their biology and reputation. The Viltrumites and Saiyans are some of the strongest and most fascinating alien humanoids that have endured tough battles, fought worthy foes, and have surpassed their limits time and time again. Although the Saiyans have clear superiority in the feats department, the Viltrumites have their own fair share of adaptations that outshine the Saiyans in some aspects. But what were to happen if their capabilities were combined? Would the resulting hybrid be inferior to a purebred, or far surpass the pinnacle of both races? So, who wins between Saiyans VS Viltrumites? Find out as I go over both species and try to determine how strong a Saiyan Viltrumite Hybrid would be!
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Made this because many of you were wondering how strong a hybrid would be. So, how powerful do you guys think they would be? Please let me know and I really hope you guys enjoyed the video!
Do Saiyans vs Kryptonians next. How powerful would that hybrid be?
@@joshmathew7551 the power of Superman with the potential of Goku!?! That’s literally power incarnate!
Mega chad video
They would be pretty poggers ngl
you forgot to talk about how saiyan children work kind of like viltrumites. IE gohan surpasing his father trunks etc...
The average Viltrumite would beat the average Saiyan, but most exceptional and above average Viltrumites would be stomped by above-average Saiyans
I think a lot of people are getting caught up in the main character fallacy and thinking the average Saiyan is on the level of Nappa. Frieza singlehandedly killed every Saiyan except a handful who happened to be off world by just blowing up their planet. The average Saiyan would be at Raditz level or below.
If we are comparing Viltrumites and Saiyans as a species, Viltrum would stomp planet Vegeta easily. Main character Saiyans are clearly far beyond even the strongest beings in the Image comics universe, but those Saiyans are extreme outliers and less than 0.00001% of the total population of planet Vegeta.
TL;DR
Goku/Gohan/Vegeta >>>>>>> Mark/Thragg/Omni-Man
BUT
Viltrum > Planet Vegeta
@@handouras1930 goku solos Viltrum, change my mind
@@handouras1930 Raditz is a low class warrior, mid-class floats around nappa level. However yes, as a majority most would be low-class fighters like Bardock and his crew.
Talking about saiyans on planet vegeta in the dragon ball super
There are not any average viltrumite they all get killed off
One thing you overlooed is how Saiyans don't start showing signs of aging until near the end of their lifespans, which combined with the Viltrumite lifespan, means that the Saiyamite would be able to live thousands of years without aging and keep training the whole time.
That’s not necessarily a good thing. Viltrumites do get stronger with age, even if they’re not training. Which is why conquest being one of the oldest, was one of the most strong viltrumites. They’re like Odin and Thor, better with age. They basically get stronger until the day they die. Kinda dumb imo, but canonically correct.
@@RiceCubeTech they still age, they just do not show any signs of it
@@RiceCubeTech That just means that they would likely gain an extreme measure of power in a short time OR they would gain the energy like normal but wouldn't look old enough to have it which would confuse the hell out of anyone fighting them who was familiar with viltrumites.
Doe one downside for the Sayiamite hybrid, is that they wont stay as a saymite for long. Viltrumites do not just get stronger with age, but their viltrumite DNA also gets more prominent, overshadowing any other alien gene they got over time until they become a full blooded Viltrumite.
If anything, seeing as the Viltrumite does make you long lived as a whole and not just the viltrumite parts of it, the Sayiamite might still retain their Sayian traits for longer than a normal Sayian's lifespan (much like how Oliver stayed as a Thraxan hybrid for years despite the Thraxans only living in matter of months). But yeah, the benefits wont last forever.
@KVAcedo27
Think it's more likely that they will age slower than a normal Viltrumite due to the Sayian dna retaining the youth for longer. While by the point they lose the sayian traits and become full viltrumite, they will start aging like any normal one.
While as for the strength increase, it is likely gonna be greater yeah. Cause the Viltrumites grants faster healing, which may lead to more potent Zenkai boosts, plus they get passively stronger due to the age factor alone, which is a big deal.
Basically in 'gaming terms' Viltrumites at level 1 have some pretty potent stats, meanwhile Saiyan's at level 1 are just a little above average. But around level 100 things change. Viltrumites can't get any stronger now, but a Saiyan in theory has no level cap. So they can if they so desired get up to level 1000 or even beyond.
Actually Viltrumites can get stronger because I'm pretty sure they get stronger with age regardless of training and fighting shape. That's why even with one arm Conquest is still one of the strongest viltrumites. But you are right in that Saiyans on average are weaker than Viltrumites, while any Saiyan above average is very likely stronger than most Viltrumites (regardless of what fans of either would say, there are around 2-3 Viltrumites that could give the likes of Goku a good fight, whether they win is a different thing)
@@limdoo6473 no viltrumite can't give a good fight to goku or vegeta
Additionally, Viltrumite “Mains” would be able to passively get stronger to their max stat cap the longer they are alive (the more they age)
In dark souls terms: saiyan are those weapons with mid stats at best with amazing scaling that takes them well beyond strong, whilst viltrumites are those early game breakers like the dragon weapons that destroy the early hours, but begin to drop off in viability quickly since they don’t scale with stats
@@limdoo6473 they could maybe give a good fight to goku in base or super saiyan at best
Here's something else to consider about hybrids. Viltrumite DNA eventually overrides the host species's DNA. However, even if this would effect Saiyan DNA, the hybrid probably wouldn't be shit outta luck. The MMO, dragon Ball online, takes place in a parallel age 1000, at least 200+ years after the main series. A certain percentage of earthlings at this time are descendants of Goku and Vegeta. Because it's been so long, these hybrid descendants have less than 1% Saiyan blood. Even so, they're still able to transform into Super saiyans. And given what we know about the Super Saiyan form now, what with s cells and everything, that actually kind of makes sense. S cells are hereditary and the more you have, the more your offspring inherit. It's one of the few and only species traits that sticks around.
But you have to remenber a Saiyan hybrid has all the traits a normal saiyan have like the tail for example at the birth.
@@heitorpedrodegodoi5646 sure, if you're a half Saiyan. The tail is a recessive trait because Toriyama got sick of drawing it.
@@superpaytonmars8852 That's actually a hilarious way of putting it. Imagine if Toriyama was asked about that.
Q: So Gohan and Goten don't have tails because their human DNA makes it recessive?
A: Suuuuure... let's go with that. *Thinking* They must never know.
@@illuminossentertainment3253 Gohan had a tail, multiple times as it regrew. He just made that decision with Trunks, Goten, and Pan.
@@infinite683 I know. It was a joke.
Imagine a half Saiyan, half Viltrumite though
-long lifespan
-ridiculous durability
-built-in healing
-get stronger every time they almost die
-get stronger with age
-transformations
-impervious to most disease
-can hold their breath in space for long periods of time
-great stamina
@DestroyerMicheal OP Viltrumites don't age until they're like 500, which is insane, Omni-man i think in the show said hes 2000 years old and he barely looks 45
@@stareagle9244 yeah, he looks like he’s 46
Krytonian, Saiyan, Viltrumite hybrid means death for the universe. The Krysaiyamite or something idk
@@user-vs9ds3dc2y and with sayain DNA head probably only look like a teenager
Cell. You're talking about cell. Remember the cell saga?
Saiyans Pros:
- Zenkais
- Transformations
- Fighting Abilities
- Fast Growth in Strengh by Training
- Better learning capabilities of almost every type of skill
Viltrumites Pros:
- Long AF life Spam
- Faster Healing no matter what kind of injury they face
- Can Breathe in Space
- Better Body efficiency in terms of stamina and energy
- Constantly having their power activated
A hybrid of the 2 would be more Broken than either
In my scenario I'm coming up with, Kefla is the Saiyan viltrumite hybrid.
After Planet Vegeta was colonized by Viltrum, Thragg impregnates a Saiyan woman (Kale) & she gives birth to Kefla.
She proves to be a monsterous hybrid capable of taking on fully powered Kryptonians.
A rather well summed up
@@SlashinatorZ ummm that I’m scared now
Technically they can't breathe in space, they just don't need to take in new oxygen for 2 whole weeks after a single intake
Veltramites
Gets stronger as they age, and long af life span
About the Ultra Ego thing.I actually think it benefits saiyans way more. Because saiyans have a biological lust for battle, I would imagine saiyans would have more benefit. Since Vegeta states "the more my battle soul burns, the stronger I grow"
which im mostly sure is referring to the saiyans natural instincts; which is how Vegeta used Ultra Ego
It would be more useful with a viltrumite and UE is about take damage and viltrumites can take a lot of damage like getting your organs hangs out of your body and your brain being out of head
Hence why Vegeta got it and Goku didn't, Goku is an Earthling, biologically Saiyan but mentally human. Becoming an Angel is an obvious endgoal just like Vegeta becoming the next God of Destruction is fitting of the last full blooded King of Saiyans, a race known for terrorizing planets across the universe. Almost poetic too, Akira Toriyama definitely has some good end of the series in mind.
Technically this statement is false if we're talking about the sayians from King Vegeta versus the original sayians from planet sadala
viltrumites are also genetically predisposed to aggression and violence tho
I don’t think think Viltrimite dna would completely overpower Saiyan DNA. That hybrid would be insane. They would essentially create a god.
Same
The viltrimite dna would be dominant, Omni Man knocked up an alien that’s basically a whole insect and the baby came out looking mostly human.
@@johnii5959sayain dna a whole lot different, gohan a half sayian had a baby with a human, which makes a quarter Sayain, but could still go super Saiyan, so it’s pretty dominant as well
if we go with DBO, even someone with 1% saiyan DNA can go super saiyan. Which mean they are pretty fing dominant
@@jeremiah394 but as far as we know Saiyans haven’t reproduced with anything that doesn’t look human, that required genetic engineering. Humanoids and insects have insanely different bodily structures from our skeleton down to how we breathe and see, I still think it’s safe to say the Viltrum genes would dominate.
I believe a Viltrumite's DNA, doesn't necessarily override others DNA but counteracts the negative eventually showing dominance. Saiyan DNA is active from day one and I don't believe it would be seen as a negative to Viltrumite DNA, so in my head a Saiyan-Viltrumite Hybrid would be disgustingly overpowered.
Imagine a Kryptonian and Viltrumite Hybrid
@@The-Snake-Gear, so a Kryptonian with practically no weakness. And here Viltrumites were thinking they can't get better.
@@The-Snake-Gear no
@@The-Snake-Gear still wont be stronger than goku. Who is literally God of all saiyans
@@ke-go7xj superman is stronger and more powerful than goku
I have the Invincible guide and I really like how in depth it goes on Viltrumite biology. It explains in great detail how their "Smart Atoms" work. I sort of wish Dragon Ball also had a more hard science fiction guide that covered Saiyan biology the same way.
Yeah, scientific stuff with Dragon Ball would be damn cool!
Tbf we have s-cells which are like midaclorians
Do you if marvel has such a book?
They explained S cells
I'm honestly fine with dragon Ball never going in depth about it's powers because it can be really annoying how overly complex some magic systems are. It's honestly what discouraged me from watching Naruto.
The one shortcoming of the average Viltrumite is that all of their power is housed inside of their bodies; they don't actually have any kind of energy projection. Just teaching one to use DB martial arts would make them ludicrously powerful
I have to agree with this
Saiyan would destroy a viltrumite sorry it ain’t even fair
Bro is honest ong
Viltrumite saiyan hybrid sounds absolutely horrifying the only downside I see is that the individual would inherit the ear weakness of the Viltrumite
Yeah, they'd likely still have that drawback, but I think the ki would help remedy that.
@@Chuck completely? Or while they actively use ki?
While they're using ki to fly.
@@Chuck you should do a saiyan/kryptonian hybrid just for fun 🤣🤣
@@Chuck i dont think a sayin vultrimite hybrid is possible
I love how Saiyans just scream louder to get a power up boost. Works every time.
Who’s gonna tell him?
Here before the goku fans get Ultra ignorant.
Im a DBZ fan but Im not gonna say anything
Hahaha good joke 😂
Wait…are you all talking about the heart virus or did I miss one?
To be fair on the whole Saiyan inteligence thing, while they did jack most of their tech from the Tiffles they were competent enough to maintain and improve upon it, even inventing powerballs that acted as replacements for moons, meaning they technically were the real inventors of blutz wave tech not Bulma. So while not as advanced as Viltormite tech they weren't pushovers in that epartment either
It’s implied in DBS Broly that the saiyan army didn’t just have warriors but pilots and mech teams that worked on the technology for the planet
as saiyans get stronger they do get smarter just look at goku the problem here isnt really about intelligence its the fact saiyans love fighting and will have no intrest in learning goku actively avoids learning about anything but fighting but as the power levels rights the saiyan brain rises to match the challenge so they just dont have many intrested in the sciences
i dont think goku a good example, because there's not much intelligence feat outside of fighting intelligence. Probably use Gohan instead, cuz his intelligence dont seems like coming from his mom side. @@boy123istacken
@@rifarira9160 Can't use Gohan he's way too smart
the reason you can say Goku is getting smarter is his brain is just keeping up with his reaction speed and combat knowledge so he is techniquly smart even if not in comparison to others (he could spend a few days memorising all of his worlds science and academics but he wont
Imagine if a Viltrumite learned the Kaio-Ken. Or even crazier, imagine if they used the Time Chamber.
the kaioken would likely be very easy for them to use due to their high durability, meaning a 20x kaioken should be nothing and they could increase it further to like 100x kaioken and still not feel the side effects. And due to their long lifespan they could continually improve it.
Training doesn't do much for them. Other than Mark but he's a exemption.
@@thejinxedcat3616 yeah, while saiyans doesn't seems to have a limit viltrumites seems to have some kind of limit, so in a time chamber a saiyan could get from a low class warrior to an overpowered being capable of destroying solar systems easily (training with a good partner) while i don't think if villtrumites will get much stronger than an average viltrum after training 2 years in the time chamber
@@thejinxedcat3616 yea but imagine a hybrid
@@phoenix12409 But that is KI, While they can enhance their bodies with KI they will never have a stronger body naturally.
Worst thing is if they would be potentially in the same universe, what stops Viltrumite from having ki? Viltrumite with ki sound dangerous asf, considering they also won't have a limit to the ki and can probably maximize it better than any other race, just like they did with smart atoms.
Hot-take: Viltrimites have a much higher power-floor than saiyans have but a much lower power-ceiling.
That's a good way of putting it!
@@Chuck I'd also point out Kryptonians and Czarnians blow 'em both out of the water (Except *MAYBE* some of the multiverse-breaking stuff Goku has pulled recently)... Then again I'm a DC fanboy.
Considering that Goku through the entirety of Dragon Ball to the very beginning of Dragon Ball Z was considered to be *below average* by Sayian standards, yet still had feats like beating guys that can bust moons... It's unlikely.
Nah raditz who was very low class with a powerlevel of 1.5K could stomp piccolo who could blow up moons effortlessly. The average sayan was within the 1 to 3K range, and also there's a whole lot more of them than vilturmites.
@@aprofessionalgamer5355 if you don't count universe six then there was about 7 full blooded sayians alive by the time raditz arrived. the viltrumites were few but had way more than seven.
I have a feeling Kirkman draws a lot of inspiration from manga and anime. His other series tech jacket was basically his version of the guyver.
yup
I appreciate your name
Imagine he did not draw them
Umm wth is your problem
You need help angelo
A sayian and viltrumite hybrid sound extraordinary when you think about it. Both have the ability to get exponentially stronger withe each near death or just very difficult battles. Add the technically superior base physiology of viltrumites and adept ki manipulation, and you have one of the strongest beings in the universe!
What about the potential of Viltrumites to learn ki techniques? Instead of fighting would gohan for instance be able to teach Mark ki techniques? Because we know a Gohan and Mark meet up would be peaceful. That would be interesting to see
Gohan would likely also be in a hero agency with Ceil, Mark and Gohan would eventually meet. Gohan seeing that Mark's heart is pure, would indeed teach him a thing or 2 about ki. It should take mark a few days to learn since videl did it in a few days.
@@StanTheBlandprobably not even a few days but anything amplified by Ki is dangerous
@@gogetathestrongestfusion True, Mark and Gohan have super speed so they could do it much faster than 10 days tbh.
Interestingly in DBZ, there is a race with even more impressive endurance than viltrumites, that being Frieza's race, those guys are nearly unkilleble without evaporating their whole bodies. Frieza could still fight loosing half of his body and arm, after which he survived in space for many weeks lacking most of his torso, legs, arm and half a head, and kept living despite it. Even non canon Cooler was nearly unkilleble, after being blasted to the sun, he survived many months in space being only half of his head, before finding "Spaghetti Star". Overall Frieza's race is just absurd in nearly every way possible, they themselves are already like Saiyans-Viltrumite hybrids
Yes they are badically like strong Viltrumites with Ki ability.
Yeah, pretty much!
yeah, there nuts. They can breathe in space, survive literally being cut in half, and have crazy growth potential. However, I must say, frieza is a mutant, so we don't know how strong the rest of his race is.
Yeah, we really should remember that…
Except that freeze’s family was an exception to the rule, they even stated that he was a “freak even compared to his own people” so I think it has more to do with king cold’s ancestry being strong than freeza’s race being the strongest
Saiyans hit the hardest, but viltrumites have superior resilience and survivability. Then again, they’d only win against saiyan saga Saiyans, but just barely due to it
Edit: Oh no I’ve started a war
Watch the videos before commenting
@@danieladowell5025 lol I’ve watched the three vids before this and I already know this the differences between the Saiyans and viltrumites. I know my shit lol
@@chefcurry9774 did you comment on the wrong thread? I wasn’t even talking about the saiyan’s technology
@@liammcguire1954 yea
No. They would lose to any saiyans. Saiyan saga vegeta literally solos thag entire race
A Saiyan-Viltrumite hybrid is a disgusting idea
and I love it
What about a Saiyan-Kryptonian-Viltrumite Tribrid. A "Saiyantonianmite" if the Saiyan-Viltrumite Hybrid meets and breeds a Female Kryptonian. Just imagine how powerful their child would be?
thanks for the video
All the Viltrumites have to do is chill out and wait out 100 years, since they are immortal.
If they had an all out war, Saiyans would win
No I would not be a smart move. The Saiyans can the live for hundreds of years in their Prime, they only start aging once they get towards the end of their lifespan and that is by accelerating aging. And all that time they can get stronger.
If Viltrumites waited out The Saiyans would start evolving and Saiyans like Broly are now being born like the new normal
@@zachbahamutson5477 It's literally stated, that Saiyans only live for a max of a hundred years.
@@zachbahamutson5477 No, Saiyans have lifespans similar to humans. They just retain their youth for a much longer period of time and it’s hinted they rapidly age when nearing death although this has never been confirmed
@@zachbahamutson5477 they can't live for hundreds of years..
A hybrid would probably have to use a wish on the dragon balls to stabilize their genome so that the viltrumiite genes don't completely take over.
That's a very good point!
@@Chuck Goku and vegeta used a barrier during the top arc against the trio de danger. Wouldn’t that protect them against the sun?
Yeah, I was curious about that. If Viltrumite DNA can gradually replace a person’s DNA would that make a hybrid progressively weaker the less Saiyan DNA they have?
Honestly that would be his weakness cause he would stop getting stronger from battle since his saiyan genes are going away and Honestly he would lose to ability to transform into his forms because he lost his saiyan blood
Who knows how much sayin power they would keep, I personally don't think they would get weaker as they age at the very least, as we saw with Oliver, he took on many viltrumite traits but retained his thraxan memory and even retained memories of being a newborn baby, so if he can keep memories from before his viltrumite DNA took over, I don't see why a sayin-viltrumite hybrid wouldn't be able to keep their strength and power.
3:12 That made me chuckle and you've earned a sub.
Good point on needing to be aware of the threat to defend against it properly properly one of the biggest issues for the match up
So basically, viltrumites have far higher base stats,durability and lifespans, but saiyans just have _insanely_ better stat growth across the board. Combine the two and you get a being that can live for ages, and has insane base stats that woud only grow as they fought.
Though the drawbacks would likely be the battle lust and the high intelligence would probably lead to a monstrously genocidal tyrant beyond even the likes of freiza and buy if the resulting kid isn't raised properly.
So the question imo wouldnt be "how strong would this kid grow to be?" but "how would you we keep the kid on the straight and narrow?" if not "what could even check such a being if they were to exist?"
That's a great way of putting it!
Yup, pretty much
You make him and broly play mates in VERY far galaxy
Weeeell its more that the dragonball universe has Ki and living beings are able to use that energy to just.... upgrade by cultivating and training in ways that just isnt possible in the invincible universe. A viltrumite introduced to the dragonball universe and taught how to harness ki? I'd be curious to see how that would go.
True but tbh frezia if he trains for like 10 years nonstop he would be the most op character in dragon ball
The reason why Goten and Trunks we're able to become super sayian so easily, according to the author is that Super Sayian is a genetic mutation. And once both Goku and vegetal became it, they passed it on to their kids.
Yoy pretty much summed it up
S cells, people who live on peaceful planets like earth get it more hence why goku transformed easier than vegeta. And on top of that apparently the less saiyan cells there are, the stronger the saiyan is. In dragon ball online which is canon, people have a very low % of saiyan blood but they are able to transform extremely easily
That's what I always figured personally.
@@isaiahwalker2242
The humans in Online literally had to wish on the Dragon Balls to go Super Saiyan tho, it was an ability lost to time for them.
@@helixsol7171 true but after that it was super easy. Plus pretty sure that was only in because of a game mechanic not an actual lore thing
This was not only a cool what-if video, but the continuity of both races being surprisingly similar is pretty invincible.
Viltrumites can survive for extended amounts of time without oxygen as in days or weeks but saiyans are highly susceptible to ‘suffocating’. So if a viltrumite and a saiyan were fighting the viltrumite could just smash the planet and leave the saiyan to suffocate and then find a new planet with air. Idk just a thought.
Saiyan's ki allow themselves to breath in space lol, and goku and vegeta can use instant transmission (teleportation) anytime
Instant transmission fam. They can literally instantly transmit anywhere
@@Hussain-zu1gl Sayians can't breath in space even with KI who told you that?
And Goku and Vegeta aren't the normal Sayian. But yeah true.
@@kakerake6018 Also no they can't they need a target which in this scenario im guessing this is in a new universe with no one having the home field advantage.
@@waffleten9750 bruv literally go to another planet
Imagine Broly battling every viltrumite, no vultrimite wouldn't even RIVAL his power because he can passively get stronger as the fight progresses or how long the battle will be.
thats Z broly, Super Broly just gets better at fighting
@@PrincessToken super broly powered up A LOT during his fight. He grew up fighting giant bugs, started getting beat to shit by Vegeta then ended up fighting SSGSS Goku and Vegeta who both are casually universal within a few minutes. There’s no way he only just got better at fighting
@@ayame8095 Thats called ikari 2nd stage, like when he had control over ikari thats second stage which is stronger than normal ikari.
@@PrincessToken uh no at first ssg vegeta was giving broly a hard fight then over time broly God stronger than SSG vegeta and started to beat vegeta up so. Get your facts right 🤡🤡
@@usopp2683 IM SAYING HE GOT STRONGER BECAUSE HE WENT INTO HIS SECOND STAGE DAMN, Second Stage > First stage obv, than he combined ssj with ikari since he was using ikari first. and they never state he was actually getting stronger, all vegeta said was he was getting better AT fighting, not strength wise
The problem with viltrumites against saiyans is a saiyan elite can effortlessly blow up planets with a single blast and even weaker saiyans like Nappa can raise their fingers and turn an entire city into a glass floor in an instant. Heck humans in Dragonball like Roshi can blow up moons in seconds and hes fodder compared to most saiyans. Ik viltrumites are much more durable than saiyans with a ridiculous healing factor that relies on their heart. But i don’t think most viltrumites can effortlessly survive planet destroying attacks to the face and like viltumites it only takes a hand full of low level soldiers to end civilizations like its no big deal. So I’m going saiyans for who would win in a war if its purely against those 2 races.
I can kinda see this becouse it took the dad months to whip out that one planet then again I don't know why he didn't just grab a meteor and chucked it in the beginning
I’m a dragonball fanboy at heart but if we’re talking Planet Vegeta Saiyans only, I think they would most likely lose.
Viltrumites being millions of times faster than light would be a problem because realistically speaking that would also count for their strength.
A singular pebble going at the base speed of light presuming it didn’t burn up in our atmosphere would cause the extinction of humanity in a explosion larger than the one that killed the dinosaurs.
One pebble, going at the speed of light.
Now imagine a fist coming at you millions of times faster than light rapidly when you aren’t even able to hit them back because at most Saiyans are the speed of light at VERY high balling.
Of course if we’re adding main character saiyans or U6 Saiyans it’s no contest.
Super Buu and SSJ3 Gotenks are dimensional and they were surpassed by pretty much every saiyan besides Goten and Trunks separately, Perfect Cell was a solar system buster and even Goten/Trunks are arguably stronger than him.
It took multiple of the main character viltrumites to destroy one planet, much less a solar system which would take millions of times as that.
@@kninzotagoni3635 If he destroyed that planet or that civilization, how would he get home? Remember how he had to threaten those aliens to send him a portal back to Earth?
@@conscripthornet4430 I agree with you on that. plus I thin sayains at that time we're in the beginning of there species so they didn't advance as much even with frezas help they were kept in check. if they grew and known more about there biology and trained accordingly then maby they could stand a chance
that's true. he had no idea were that planet was. so I am guessing he could of whiped it with a meteor or smashed the core with his fist but we haven't seen it yet
I love how Chuck mentions every explanation for super early super saiyan transformations we've got over the years lol. S cells, tingly backs, high base power, etc. 😅
Amazing video man and I like this video alot :]
Always thought this would be a sick fight, cause most ancient Saiyans and Vultrumites are at a similar level of power
They're all in that planet level range
King Vegeta could wipe three worlds with the wave of his hand.
@@maj1nprince Yes man. The KING OF THE SAIYANS can do that.
@@maj1nprince That's not everyone.
@@FatMCSteve I definitely agree with that. Plus their ranking systems are pretty similar with only a few elites, but many low class. The Viltrumites might have a slight numbers disadvantage though, since unlike saiyans they do just outright kill weak members. Saiyans atleast allow even their low class, weak members to survive and test them by sending them to planets as infants.
Dude, the fact that Bardock can control himself in Ozaru is impressive considering what Vegeta said
Bardocks whole team seemed to be able to control themselves in the Ozaru state. But their memory of the events were spotty at best, with the exception of Bardock. Who remembers everything about a fight but next to nothing about his family.
In the case of a Saiyan and a Viltrumite hybrid, I think that both genes will mingle perfectly without one taking over or overwriting the other at all. Each gene greatly benefits the other and fill in the gaps of each race. What's more is that the being would be so powerful that the only care is the animal side of the Saiyan blood, the Monkey King (Oozaru) form, mainly because this is not a technique but part of the Saiyan Biology itself.
What is a technique that is a step up of the Super speed of a Saiyan and that indeed even surpasses the hyper speed of a Viltrumite is the Instant Teleportation that Goku and Vegeta learn from the planet Yardrat. Also, another key element missed from the Saiyans DNA is the power boost the Saiyans get after being close to death. This means that the might of a Viltrumite/Saiyan Hybrid would still increase in power with this genetic ability.
DOPE ASF BRO
The Viltrumites would have been a cool rival species to the Saiyans if they ever existed in DB. My opinion of course.
No cap, but imagine instead of being rivals they decide to work together and breed with on another. They would surely be a dangerous species. “Viltru Sayains”
"write that down, WRITE THAT DOWN"
@InitialSven where'd you get that from?? Viltrumites breed with anything and anyone, they don't care
@@kingpotato7183 you're right on that. Even Viltrumites will resort to rape if it means they get to breed a powerful army
@InitialSven what are you talking about, at least monkeys are still primates, while viltrumites are willing to breed with insects
While “non-canon” it should also be mentioned that its implied that Bardock and King Vegeta could control their great ape forms. If a Saiyan can control this state and then go Super Saiyan they will then transform into a Golden Oozaru and then a Super Saiyan 4. While not as powerful as the god forms this form can rival SSGSS if the Saiyan trains enough. {but that’s moreso having a higher base form than a higher power boost.}
Yeah, the games really expand a lot on the forms and their capabilities.
canon bardock and vegeta III were also able to do it in fact
That's not Canon
@@azurbreak5682 Canon bardock isn't confirmed tho all we know is he saw Granola went to murder him and proceeded to change back to regulars form
ssj4 would be stronger, if you assume they already have god ki, potentially. baseline god ki boost is atleast 400x base form, as base goku could fight just as well as ssg goku(after falling out of ssg form), and ssg is obviously stronger than ssj3, so itd be 400x lowball. Imagine ssj4 but with god ki, basically. ssj4 goku limitbreaker x400+ from god ki would have an insane multiplier. thing is, ssgss and ssg have absurd multipliers as well, so im not sure if god ki ssgsskkx20/ssbe or ss4 limitbreaker + godki would be a close fight or not.
I love it how , you have Adrenaline from BO2 playing in the background
This video has gotten me through the end credits of assasin creed, thank you. Fucn these credits.
Saiyans stomp hard not alone are they casual planet busters on the average but Saiyans have a variety of techniques, destructive capability with energy based attacks, and they can turn into Oozaru to increase strength. Viltrumites only got the advantage in durability since they have near Invulnerability.
Nice pic!
Viltrumites could kill the saiyan race if they are smart about it. Viltrumites could find a way to take the fight into space or have 3 of them destroy planet vegeta.
@@megaavonaco9954 lol no way they would be able to mount an attack like that without the saiyans knowing. Plus that feat took the gun of that space guy who could shoot through anything, and a mark who was nearing the end of the series.
@@megaavonaco9954 Pure Saiyans are shown to survive in space though. Such as bardock and goku
@@megaavonaco9954 yeah as if one avarage Saiyan can't blow up a plant by themselves while viltromites need 3 top tiers to do so LMAO the Saiyans would lay waste to the viltromites
Your average Viltrumite is superior to the average Saiyan, Vegeta at the beginning of the Saiyan Saga was considered to be one of the most powerful amongst their race at the time, even Nappa (who was getting up there in years) was considered well above a low class Saiyan like Raditz. However if we're going to take into consideration specific individuals of each race, Goku, Vegeta and Broly are so much more absurdly powerful than the rest of their kind that's it's not even fair to compare them. Even the most powerful Viltrumites like Thragg and Mark would pale in comparison to those three.
Yup these 3 Saiyans punches Universe and Reality as a casualty in a battle
not true yamcha and krillin would stomp thragg and mark that's how weak they are compared to dbz universe
The average low level saiyans usually have a power level of about 1000 - 3000 which can already destroy more than 10 moons and even if we exclude goku, vegeta and broly, the remaining thousands of saiyans can beat 50 viltrumites
when piccolo destroyed the moon with one blast he was as strong as raditz
@@ericchen776 facts, tien fought with his arm cut off, and held his own against semi perfect cell
Good video
goku has been shown to have multiverse level powers. nobody in invincible can break time and space like goku can and has done
No he just had plot armor
A saiyan and viltrumite hybrid, that will be terrifying. Imagine all the Zenkai boost
Some amount of boosts, but the potential max output of a Zenkai would be terrifying.
The evil broly mixed with a viltrumite would be pretty cool and scary since broly alone can wipe out a planet easily and always gets back up even after being melted.
In my scenario, the daughter of Thragg & a Saiyan woman is a doppelganger of Kefla.
Honestly, all they have to do is get Alan to knock up a Viltrumite woman. If their offspring inherits his ability to Zenki boost, then they've created an unstoppable monstrosity.
The only problem with this is would there be anything strong enough to beat a hybrid to the point a Zenkai would activate?
You're not dealing with the average Viltrumite anymore! I AM
[Invincible Title Card Appears]
Nice video.
6:35 one theory about the transformations is that they are exclusive to Saiyans, since saiyans are incredibly good at adapting, when they tap into a new power their bodies adapt to the most suited form for the use of that power, hence all the different transormations.
Canon or not, I massively enjoy you showing filler clips like the Other world Tournament. A lot of people ignore that kind of stuff even though DB Filler adds quite a bit to the world
The Dragonball community is stupid AF. They've been debating for decades what should be considered canon vs what shouldn't despite everything being official media. If any of the characters did anything in official media released, then it's canon to the franchise; whether of it's in the main timeline of a different universe of whatever the fuck anyone wants to call it. They exist, so they count.
@@TheMissingLink2 yeah, that's why I never joined an anime community, they debate all the time and never stop, it's so annoying and really stupid, dragon ball, also one, because it has the most tard people debating on whose better, which character is canon or not, whose stronger, it's all just anime to me
@@TheMissingLink2 anime fans are necessarily the smartest people
@@yellownotmellow More like the most toxic people.
A viltrumite / saiyan hybrid sounds pretty strong.
But a kryptonian / saiyan hybrid, now THAT sounds scary
The second one is scary not taking any damage plus krupynite not doing a lot of damage due to the 50 50🐐
@@justsomedudewithnoneck8329 And being constantly powered by a yellow/blue star. If they happen to be in a red star, the ki abilities of the saiyan side will make up for it.
Kryptonian/ saiyan/ viltrumite Hybrid Imagine that
@@joshnegovetic1088 unstoppable
@@joshnegovetic1088 this is some serious lab shet
I love the bo2 music in the background
Kio Ken isnt a sayian specific thing, anyone can learn it given the training. Neat video tho, ive always wondered what race has the most benefits 12:30
I still believe Cell has the best potential. He can surpass Goku through training if he tried and from then on all he has to do is absorb new races for their abilities. Preferably absorb Majin Buu before moving on to a Viltrumite if that's even possible.
@Billy William cell did absorb Goku in dragon ball gt and gained a massive power boost from Goku for a brief moment
@Billy William Explain semi-perfect and perfect Cell then.
FASLE. COMEON MAN......Gohan
@@quinnbaygo2112 Cell has the genetic information of Goku, Vegeta, Piccolo, Frieza, King Cold, Tien and perfect cell has the information of the Android 17 and 18. He can survive in space, use Telekinesis, blow himself up and regenerate. This is literally at his base perfect form without any training at all. It literally takes SSJ2 Gohan to kill him. If he realized he wasn't perfect and started actually training he would be the strongest in Dragon Ball.
Kinda crazy how dbz villains could've won if they just put aside the superiority complex and actually trained lol
Imagine both Sayians and Viltrumites in the same universe continuously at war with one another making each race stronger and stronger
In my universe, the Saiyans are colonized by Viltrum instead of the Frieza force. The Kryptonians are their main enemy.
I think they would join forces someway(maybe involuntary) Maybe both working for Frieza. Or Viltrumites would take Friezas role
@@SlashinatorZ the viltrimites are not strong enough to colonize planet vegeta, they'd get slaughtered
@@curryposterizeslewashedjam3588 It depends. Will viltrumites be able to use ki if they got transported to the DB verse? They are to destroy planets just by using brute physical strength. No Ki/Mana or any energy like stuff involve. So them having ki would be a problem. If not than they get bodied.
@@noxflo897 no tey don't get to use ki once they transport to the db verse. king vegeta one shots all of the vilitrmites....
I love the subtle jabs
I read the entirety of invincible and the top tier viltrumites, (invincible and thragg) they were able to throw hands in the sun but they were dying quickly. Saiyans can destroy the sun and galaxies.
They can't even survive a planet blowing up because they will suffocate
Not really close since the weakest saiyans are easily planetary
And that’s without ozarou
@@223sfa6 ye
I don't see every Saiyan combined (besides Broly) before planet destroyed destroying a galaxy
Overall, Saiyans would be far better than Viltrumites, due to being physical comparable, alongside having energy attacks which can destroy cities, continents, and planets, with some higher tier characters even having attacks that effect the entire universe.
Although another thing is if it's Saiyans from the beginning of the series, or later on, because the power creep in Dragon Ball is far beyond that of what goes on in Invincible. I can see Viltrumites fairly going up against Saiyans from the beginning of the series, but I can imagine that main characters like Goku, and Vegeta soloing the entire Viltrumite race if they didn't hold back.
A hybrid between the Saiyans, and Viltrumites would just be scary. Increased stamina, survivability, and so on. All sorts of downsides are erased when you merge the two. Such a scary concept is better left as fan fiction, or else their universes would have a character which could only be stopped with bad writing.
Hell even if they hold back there nothing they can do to current vegeta and Goku
@@painvillegaming4119 vegeta at 10000 pl can beat them it would be a hard time for him but ce can do it
@@yaniscreton9665 10 000 can destroy big planets
(Like the big big ones)
yamcha and krillin could solo all viltrumites
do you think the saiyan viltrumite hybrid can survive hakai?
Goku went from a power level of 200k to 150,000,000 after just healing up once. Saiyan Zenkai boost Is broken…
yeah pretty much
Is 90k to 3 mil
It was indeed 90k to 3 million. He used x10 Kaioken to 30 million but failed miserably against 50% Frieza at 60 million. Then he used overload x20 Kaioken in a super kamekameha at 60 million power to even the odds but Frieza lived. He only reached 150 million after went super Saiyan with multiplier of x50 to base power.
good video
Thanks for the visit
Worthy of the evaluation
I think my second favorite character in the series, Allen, definitely deserves his own video. He's one of a kind, the sole survivor of a genetic experiment by his race to create warriors capable of fighting the Viltrumites. He actually gets hefty zenkai boosts, and became strong enough to beat the shit out of top-tier Viltrumites like Nolan.
For sure!
Guy has limitless potential if you think about it… he’s probably the second strongest being in the invincible universe by the end. Hell, one more boost I bet he could’ve beaten thragg!
My boy Chuck uploading more frequently. Love seeing you cover all these topics man, you're awesome!
Glad you like them!
Question: Is Will Smith's Hancock really a Viltrumite? They can easily fit the Hancock story into the Invincible Universe. As of now, I think that's the closest to a live-action Invincible we're gonna get.
Hmm. But viltrumites don’t get weak by being with their mates…. Isn’t that basically the plot of Hancock?
Hancock was entirely different than the Viltrimite race.
No. When Hancock fights, the elements themselves get all messed up. Hancock is more like a Biblical angel in feats and power. When he fought Mary, atmospheric phenomenon just started firing off all over the place with lightning storms, tornadoes etc. There's way more to them than Viltrumites and Saiyans. In fact it's implied that oxygen deprivation has no impact on Hancock at all given that he flew to the moon to put that 'all heart' logo on it for Ray.
Whatever the case, I'd say Hancock is closer to an angel in terms of his abilities and therefore would stomp any Saiyan and any Viltrumite.
That would be the best of best out come.
Saiyans are also able to withstand extreme temperatures if you remember that was apart of their training in the Room of Spirit and Time.
Nothing implies it's literal coronal ejection levels though.
@@Chuck I'm waiting on that Cosmic king video....take your time
@@Chuck I think Viltrumite's are better, saiyans might be stronger but Viltrumite's have better adaptability
@@Chuck
Ki Beam Attacks vaporizes their targets (Why an explosion didn’t kill Cell but Gohan’s Kamehameha did). Unless this implies a coronal ejection is superior to a Solar-System destroying blast condensed into a beam, that still... doesn’t mean much.
@@1973Ganesh you're not anyone of importance, no one cares what fictional race you think is stronger.
saiyans have more potential but viltrumites have more base strength, a typical viltrumite would beat up a typical saiyan, but the strongest viltrumite vs the strongest saiyan would just be the saiyan massacring the viltrumite
How do they have more base strength? Strong saiyans are casual planet busters, while it takes multiple top tier viltrumites to blow up one planet, and do i even need to mention goku and vegeta?
@@wiswc Saiyans needed to actively train to get stronger whereas Viltrumites get stronger with age alone. Rarely do you hear about Viltrumites training, thats due to the fact that they are constantly getting stronger just by existing. If Viltrumites could train as much as Goku and Vegeta did, with similar progressions, they could be really do some damage.
@@wiswc Strong Saiyans being planet busters were only shown at first with Vegeta during the Saiyan arc who at that point was probably the strongest being his race produced outside of Broly by a large margin. With that we can conclude that Saiyans before their introduction were not actually planet busters.
@@thatlemur6065 vegeta's father was also a planet buster, plus the point still stands, top tier viltrumites could barely hope to keep up with casual planet busters like saiyans
@@seandent3732 that only shows that saiyans are superior since they have unlimited potential with training and ability to evolve even during fights, while viltrumites have to wait decades or centuries to get close to their level.
it's obvious who has more strength and potential
This is the most nerdy thing and im here for it.
That call of duty lobby playlist near the end of the vid haha
11:38
"Omni-man surviving with a hole in his chest"
"Shows Omni-man torso looking like a noodle"
This was awesome, would love to see you conceptualize what a fusion of Superman and Goku could be capable of
Imagine a Kryptonian-Martian hybrid? Also a royal blooded Asgardian mixed with a Kryptonian would be the most broken thing imaginable.
I would argue that although it’s not directly stated, the Saiyan’s genetics in a hybrid also tend to be dominant given the hybrids abilities to still go super saiyan, great ape, and age slower than a human’s. Even Pan who is only 1/4 Saiyan has some attributes of the Saiyans even if she hasn’t ever shown the capability of reaching super saiyan. I would suspect we may still see that at some point in the future though. Basically, I’m saying a saiyan/vultrumite hybrid would likely cancel each other’s dominant genes out, allowing them to maintain the benefits of both species throughout their life.
I feel like Saiyans are overall stronger.
In some ways, yes!
I’m pretty sure for the most part they are about the same but just thinking about Saiyans like Goku and Gohan really overestimates the power of the Saiyan race overall. Sayians like Goku are the outliers.
Saiyans are offensive warriors.
I would say Viltrumites are defensive warriors of attrition.
Both have their beneficial traits that if put together make an even more dangerous hybrid.
@@THED3ADLY7 Bardock, Shallot etc.
Yeah they are superior in most aspects. The only factors I’d say the viltrumites are better at is their intelligence and resilience, along with stamina
Doesn’t matter. Both would lose to Alvin and the chipmunks.
Interesting video, but I wouldn't call it a VS video, more so just a comparison of the two
Thumbnail Is really clever
Thanks!
A viltrimites Saiyan hybrid would be strong in every possible way besides maybe hacks. Getting stronger as you get older and getting stronger by getting beating up. It's almost to amazing. Ssj viltrimites would be broken in general ozaru viltrimites are stupidly broken aswell. As a huge target now with ki everything just becomes godlike I'd argue that a Saiyan viltrimite that trains and breaks their body down would easily get up to ssj3 easily by atleast atleast late teen years.
In my Kryptonian Saiyan viltrumite what if scenario, the first Saiyan viltrumite hybrid is played by Kefla. Daughter of Thragg & a Saiyan woman
@Vladimir Putin yes, this would be a doppleganger of her
I mean, they should be able to do more than that. The universe 6 saiyans did ssj2 in a day….
Dont think the Sayiamite hybrids will be able to go Oozaru, cause chances are the Viltrumite DNA will overwrite all of the non humanoid traits at birth, leaving them tailess. Much like how the Thraxan hybrids lack all of their insectoid features and just kept the fast growth, intelligence and blue skin... Untill they got older.
@@wildshark9248 that's because those guys were prodigies
Damn i wanna see Conquest vs Nappa now.
Nappa one shot him lmao
@@michadrzymaa2206 With one planet busting attack sure, but he likes to fool around.
@@Pedro-zu3uq he would play with him a little bit and just torture him and then kill him
What’s the music in the background it sounds badass af
One thing, as some people state Fly speed is not equal to fight Speed, being an special ability of warping space in deep space like a Gravitatory engine, if not Allen stated on a point that him(in a point he was equal to Omniman) is nearly Lightspeed(Slower in reaction and combat speed than Raditz
Also, in the case of some Sayins, there is the chance a mutation can occur. This makes them usually more timid in terms of personality, but great fighters, with the latest (Broly) being capable of keeping up with base form and super Sayin Vegeta. And they also have a special super sayin transformation possessing tremendous power and a green aura called Legendary Super Sayin which was able to force Gogeta (Fusion of Goku and Vegeta) to go into Perfected Blue just to keep the edge.
it was already proven because of super and gt. saiyans, hybrid or not. have different path forms depending on there environment. but primal (SSJ4) is one of the most unique forms. as well as Gohan's new form. we got so far. they really should give each saiyan characters there very own forms, like gohan. that would be nice and creative. I just hope they don't ruin it like "oh now everyone else has the same form." that would be messed up.
@@rickydiscord7671 They kind of have, Vegeta got blue evolution and Ultra Ego, Goku has blu+kaio ken and Ultra Instinct, and Gohan has his new form. Trunks and Goten are still a little young to be fighting on that level, though Future Trunks did have that spirit form.
@@ssfbob456 blue evo ether goku or vegeta would be using that no matter who it is. goku had it in manga and vegeta had it in show. not there own forms AND not unique. it's just a limit breaker and some characters have done that a few times before.
as for the rest. ego, instinct and kaio are not forms. spirit "form" was just a power boost.
and who the hell say gohan "didn't" have a new form? please don't miss lead and miss read what I say.
Mark is special for many reasons he is a hybrid of the son of the emperor. He also got a boost from eve, the avg viltramite will not reach marks lvl cuz he is essentially stronger than omniman he just holds bacc alot mentally. Notice when mark is mad he easily beats multiple people. A fusion would be crazy but the avg saiyan would lose to the avg viltramite especially if its a death match type of battle
I thought everyone knew. One of the stronger universes that didn't have to fight in the tournament of power was the one with Viltrumites.
I made it up. But, I like the thought of it.
The music in the background tho. It was from black ops 2 multiplayer mode. Gives me too much nostalgia.
Glad you liked it!!
The home planet of the Saiyan race is Sadala, the Planet Planta was conquered by the Saiyans after the defeat of the Tsufurujins, and they renamed it "Planet Vegeta".
Sadala is the home planet of the universe 6 saiyans. They dont have the same history.
@@Liex59 Mistake friend, Sadala was the home planet of the Saiyans in U7 too, only in U7 the Planet was destroyed by Civil War.
@@cavaleirot I mean if a line of dialog from a Xenoverse NPC is your source idk if that's 100% canon. Sadala is never mentioned in the manga or anime.
@@Liex59 Again you are wrong, Vegeta did mention Planet Sadala as the place of origin of his race. And remembering that Universe 6 and 7 are twins, so much so that in U6 the Humans were evil and exterminated themselves and the Earth was destroyed, the Saiyjins of U6 are good. In U7, the Saiyjins were exterminated and their two Planets destroyed, both the Sadala origin and the Adoptive/Stolen Vegeta.
Not really much of a fight for the saiyans the viltrumites would get stomped down pretty badly in my opinion but still great matchup
Didn't watch the videos yet have you
@@danieladowell5025 It doesn't matter because chuck didn't say that the Viltrumites won.
@@danieladowell5025 clown.
@@Namato360 I never said that vultamjtes were less powerful than Saiyanas my point was that the comment started off the assumption that this video was about a fight when if you've seen the video its not really about a fight
@@danieladowell5025 dude you have been going around every comment trying to ruin everyone’s comments. You do know there are people who read/watch DB and read invincible? Instead of commenting and getting mad over minuscule comments, get a life. I’m sure you have better things to be doing
It'd be cool if the Saiyan DNA is so resilient and has such superior qualities in ki control etc that the hybrid gets the best genes between Viltrumites and Saiyans. All of the traits of the Viltrumites, including lifespan, combined with the ki control and massive potential for power of a Saiyan. The only human/Saiyan hybrids we've seen were descendants of Goku and Vegeta. I wonder if it'd make a difference if the offspring were a random Saiyan, or if Goku really does represent a lower level Saiyan, and that any Saiyan can climb to the highest levels of power if they train and fight like the surviving Saiyans.
4:12 oh how fuckin dare you
Not the tingly back explanation!
Edit: the censorship sound is terraria lmao btw good video
Farmer with the Shotgun > Zeno > Ramen Guy > Angels > Sayans > Viltrumites
So yes viltrumites have high survivability and durability since they are near invincible, but Saiyan's can grow stronger over time during a fight while for a Viltrumite to get strong they'd have to age up
Please a do a video of a Tribrid of a Saiyan + Kryptonian + Viltrumite called Saiyantonianmite.
me seeing the thumbnail in my reccomended: oh trust me buddy, you don't want to go down that route
If mark gets Ultra Ego he would be unstoppable. Cause my dude is everything but Invincible. Man gets his ass kicked every episode
lmao true even in late comic chapters
Big facts lol
Lol
Hasnt died yet
XD
Spoilers for the Dragon Ball Super Manga:
It's now canon that not only Vegeta but also Bardock, Goku's father, can also control his Oozaru form.
Yup
The Badass hairstyle of a saiyan combined with the bitchin mustache of a veltrumite... you get the most SUAVE mofo in the universe!