how to make patches for seamless Wheel well rust repair 1968 Firebird
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- čas přidán 24. 07. 2024
- Found some rust damage to inner wheel house after removing trunk pan form a 1968 Pontiac Firebird. Looks easy enough to patch and quicker then replacing the entire panel. Do you want to see how to make a seamless repair so it is not detectable when done? Check this out.
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I am a 30+ year owner of a 68 Firebird 400 and have been a fan of the first generation since 10 years old when my great-uncle bought a new 1967 Firebird for my cousin (from Germany) to use during Grad school. My cousin graduated in Spring 1968 and returned to Germany and my uncle had it up for sale over the summer of 1968. I stayed with my great-uncle that summer of 1968 and probably spent 40 hours sitting in that car wishing I could drive it and vowed I'd own one someday. I bought mine in the early 1990's (and had even previously driven it a couple of times in high school in the mid-1970's.) I just bought some of your merchandise to help support your channel. Thanks for saving the birds!
Fantastic story and even better you got a first gen Firebird! I fell in love at first sight of my 1969 bird. I was a Senior in high school and I was actually on a mission to pick up a Camaro until my coworker asked if I had even seen a first generation Firebird and of course I had not. Keep in mind this was before the internet so I made a trip to the library and found my dream machine in the pages of a book. After that experience no longer was I looking for a Camaro I was on the hunt for a Firebird, that was a lot more challenging then to find one but I was successful and i still have that car today. It’s going to the grave with me too.
Huge thanks for picking up some merch too! Gotta save them birds!
I hear you... mine will stay with me to the end too! I sent you an email with some pics of the car and its options.
I got them!! Wow what a beauty and nice options too. Thanks for sharing and finding us 😎
Your video and instruction are super informative, I'm doing a 68 camaro and with videos I am confident I can get it all fixed.
Replacing firewall, inner rockers, complete floor, and quarters.
Keep up the great work, thanks
Very cool! These videos definitely apply directly to what you are into. Best wishes on your project and keep it fun.
OMG Your video's are the best. You have no idea how much I've learned from you. You make this hobby fun instead of intimidating. Please never stop posting. My 69 convertible is depending of your instructions to see the road again. Seriously dude your the best. They should make a weekend show with you doing restorations!!!! Love your work never miss a posting!!!
Wow you just made my day!! I love my
Old birds and CZcams has allowed me to share that love and knowledge and people like you definitely make it easy and even more worth while to keep posting. Good luck to you and your 1969 convertible project and if I can help don’t hesitate to ask. Thank you for your support!
When i was little traveling with Mom and Dad we did not eat fast food at meal time. One of the sandwiches i remember from that time was canned Underwood Deviled Ham. Still use it to this day.
Yup that’s the stuff. I haven’t had it in years
Awesome. I have to do some of this in my 75 Grand Ville. I’ll be referring this again I’m sure. 😊
Right on! Did your grandville have a 455?
End results look awesome.
Thanks buddy. It did not really take much time to make it look good. Worth the effor t
Great video brother This is bringing me back some memories The magnet look like they work great Funny thing so I watch this video with my kids and they said Hey daddy that guy is just like you And I told them yes that's my firebird brother Jonathan
Yes sir Firebird brother for life.
really nice clean repair. Thanks for sharing.
Now that it’s all together you can’t tell.
Great video on homemade patch panels. I love the name you chose for your bird by the way.
Thanks buddy, I figured it just fit seeing how I found the car on Halloween, the car was orange and even the Pontiac engine was orange too. It just popped into my head and went with it.
@@VinylVillageGarage its a great name and seems very fitting due to those circumstances lol
Yes indeed
I really miss having a long term project like this, any time I needed to re-center myself just spend a few hours out in the garage taking a little bites out of it with a couple patches then I come back in tired and happy. Now I have 2 finished projects with the Scout and the Camaro and zero space in the garage for a new one.
I like projects too. It’s the sense of accomplishment or concurring a new challenge that makes it fun for me. Sounds like you have the same issue, need more space.
@@VinylVillageGarage Sense of accomplishment--- lol ,been there, but all the sudden I got waaaaay to old anymore to give a shit, I get a sense of accomplishment just getting up and working on the old Bird or Camaro at all ( I STILL HAAAAATE HEADERS ON PONTIACS ! ) worse job there is ! I would rather fart flaming fire balls then do Header gaskets on my 400 Bird ! and we know why, that damn bolt behind the center tube driver side ! . There is noooooo easy way to get to it. Been putting that job off for over a YEAR !
Nice work, Jon. Keep up the great work and the videos coming!👍
Thanks buddy, have plenty more to do as long as I can survive the heat, 95 with heat index of 110. That’s not the norm for Indiana. Might have to buy a truckload of orange Mountain Dew 😆
Jon, as an FYI for your viewers, I found those magnets at Harbor Freight this morning.
They come in a pack of 4 and the item number is 98502.
Four for $4.95
Awesome I will spread the word as well. Plus be careful with them they remove flesh if not carful when handling them.
I like to make my patch panels first using the rusted area as my temp then cutting the rusted area out
That works great too especially when doing the toe boards. In this case a lot of the panel was missing I was thinking of a way to make a template this was what I tried and worked out good in this case
Thanks for the videos, great info
Welcome, it hit 95 today here and 80% humidity, might have to visit your air conditioned garage sooner the later.
@@VinylVillageGarage wow that’s what we have , as we say down here “ it’s getting summertime now” getting parts ordered but will be in Tn all next week to the middle of the following week . I’ll keep you up dated, I can’t get them shipped till I’ll be back to pick them up, shipped freight and I live on a dead end road and have to meet the the 18 wheeler and off load at a different location . We had another hot one yesterday heat index was 107 , you could break a sweat standing in the shade haha
Sounds good, stay cool and safe travels.
I had to do the same thing good job as always and your right it would be so much work replacing the whole iner wheel well I am rebuilding my iner fender wells they are so outward to work on a welding table pain in the but! But not worth buying a new one and AMD has gone up in price like everything else...
We are on the same page for sure. I think it’s cost effective and can be done seamlessly when done too. So need to mess with inners on this build.
Thank god none of my F body's have ever been that bad. My worse car had the outer tub lip edge rotted out for about 2 inches and I was lucky enough to find a doner car that I was able to graft in enough meat and flange & weld it in then use a section of a aftermarket patch 1/4 (China) and replace about 4 inches all the way around the wheel arch. Worked out great with a little duraglass & mud filler, blocked straight and 7/8/9 coats of fill primer. Most car's as bad as your, I pass on, to labor intensive to deal with.
Well I leaned here in Indiana/rust belt this car is mint……. Well to me. Lol. I don’t mind the rust repair it’s actually my favorite part. Crazy part people still ask crazy money for very rusty cars and I can’t do that. I wish I could find them with minimal rust like yours, great score on your part. I assume you live out west?
@@VinylVillageGarage Both my F body cars were from St. Louis Mo. I am the original owner of my 68 RS/SS H/T and I bought my PHS documented numbers matching 400X 4sp. Convertible Bird in 1976 for $850.00 with minor rust out in both 1/4s but the rest of the car was very sharp, complete & correct otherwise. Back then there were no full 1/4s to be found ( NLA from GM ) at all so we tried to find wrecked cars and used a lawn mower blade and sledge hammer by hand ( no, there was no cordless sawalls ) to cut out good sheet metal in the junkyards ( yes there were rust free 67 to 69 F bodys in junkyards in the late 70s). True it was a TON of hard work, but it was the only way as dealers had nothing and there was no aftermarket yet for sheet metal. You have no idea how good you got it today, a call to Ames and your parts are on your door. We had to find everything word of mouth before anybody else. GTOs were even HARDER to get parts for !!!! Plus there was no pontiac only yards, just go diggin yard to yard to find stuff. Buy a floor pan , trunk floor, firewall was a royal pain ! but it was cheap. A floor pan, $35.00,trunk floor $20.00 firewall $15.00 but all day to cut that sucker out with a lawn mower blade! bam, bam, bam, bam wham wham ! with lots of blood sweat and tons of 4 letter words of wisdom ! OH YOU NO GOOD SON OF A #^$@*^$^%$ !!!! it 4:30pm ! there closing a 5PM! Your comeing OUT of there floor pan ! WHAM, WHAM, WHAM ! ----- Ohhhhh yes, been there .
Lol, I could see myself doing the same thing to get parts back in the day just like that if I had to. I can only Imagine finding a rust free first gen in a scrap yard. I would be in heaven playing at a junkyard like that. Just think you where cutting up what we would consider Gold now. I do remember the days of swap meets and digging thru boxes to find the treasures, this was before the days of the internet and online shopping. Now swap meets are not that great and overpriced unfortunately. Even when I did my first bird back in 1996 parts where not nearly readily available as compared to today. Even the quality has improved. Congrats on buying and keeping your 1968 Camaro. That’s almost unheard of. Me being a bird guy bonus points for you owning a nice Firebird too. I have yet to own a factory 400 bird. Here is to someday maybe. Thanks for sharing
@@VinylVillageGarage Long time subscriber to you, I have 3 motors for my 68 convert Bird, a 1970 YS R/A III / 13 casting heads, plus, the numbers matching WS 400 with 62 heads and my beast, a WW R/A IV 4 bolt block +.030 with a 389SD forged crank & rods I got from Smokey Yunick in Daytona, ( poor folks, no way to afford a 421SD, yes I asked --- $20K for short block) I got 670 heads the WW now in the car , but am saving $$$ up for a pair of the new aluminum Tunnel port V aftermarket heads & intake. To heck with twin turbos or the NO-2 juice, I will do it the old fashioned way ! all MOTOR ! There is no WAY I can apply any more then this to any kind of street tires. A R/A 4 with forged crank & rods plus tunnel port heads ! yes, I think that will be just fine ! I already know I power shift it at 8,000rpm all day no seat with solid lifters & 670s heads. Them Tunnel ports will get it up to 8,700 rpm much quicker ! Ever been up in smoke sideways in 4 gear ? Stay tuned.
Huge Thanks for being a subscriber. Most impressive engine collection and parts. The 670 heads I will take those when you trade them out for the ram air V beasts. After running that you won’t ever want to go back. I saw a company or a guy was making the heads ran into him in Plainfield IN last year. Tried to sell me a set. Very tempting but it’s some serious money, special intake, cam shaft, and custom headers. The wow factor when you open the hood, priceless
Great video, Jon, always good to see the work actually being done (it helps my brain wrap around certain things being a newb). Thanks for that. By the way, where did you get your magnets from?
I get them from work, we have 100’s of them. They come back on our equipment so we collect them. Or throw them out. I can send you a couple but be cautious. They will bite and remove flesh if they snap together, I know done it twice. Ouch!
@@VinylVillageGarage Well thank you for that, Jon. Let me shoot you an email and I'll get you taken care of for what you need for them and the shipping.
👍
Thanks
Good job. Did you consider minitub? What's the biggest tire you can fit ? Guessing around 275s
I have debated mini tubs a few times. Factory wheel wells you can fit a 275 as long as you have the proper offset with minimal
Or no modification to outer wheel well lip. Mini tubs are neat but then it requires a lot of other mods, fuel tank, suspension, sometimes the interior, not sure I want to do that yet. Plus this car is not mine, this is my first build for someone else. This is a new adventure in many ways.
What kind of sand blaster and media are you using. I know its not the point of the video but, whatever your using looks like it works pretty good. I'm having trouble with my cheap shipon gun and playground sand lol.
Lol. Playground sand. I used to use that as well. It does a nice job of not pitting or damaging the the good metal but slow at removing anything. I use black beauty blasting sand I pick it up at Menards it used to be like 7 bucks for a 50 lb bag. I have three bags left. It is a lot coarser then the white play sand.
I have a large pressure blaster too but man that makes a huge mess! And you have to use a big compressor to run it. This little siphon spot blaster I use is like 25 years old I purchased it from JCwhitney catalog it’s been awesome.
@@VinylVillageGarage Thanks for replying. I was using regular play sand that is not white, anyway at work we get truckloads of the finer white sand I think its called, something i don't know. but I will definitely try white sand and then try that media from menards and then maybe get the same sandblaster you are talking about from jc whitney. once again thanks.
@@davidcraft4909 welcome of course this is why i am doing this CZcams adventure share the love and knowledge to keep you project moving forward anything else don’t hesitate to ask.
Be careful with “sand”. I’ve heard bad things about inhaling it and damaging your Lungs.
You probably already know this, but just reminding the masses .
Use ventilation methods to avoid breathing it!
@@charlieseidelmann6702 oh yeah , i have a respirator
Paint on a 68 pontiac is going to have a crapton of lead in it. You're open sandblasting on that in your garage. If you have kids, please don't let them in there. Also change and clean your clothes before you go inside. Lead in unbelievably small quantities is really bad for children, particularly for their brain development.
Nice work and interesting video.
This is very true and worth mentioning, in addition to that thought now I think about it lead was possibly still used up until the 90s. I have used PPG epoxy primer for years and sometime in the 90s the part number changed to dp50LF the LF meant Lead Free so it makes you wonder or assume it used lead up to that point. Thanks for sharing