I toured through France on a 49 cc moped. The hills were marked with one, two, or three carats to indicate the percentage of grade. In practice, one carat meant full throttle, two carats meant full throttle plus pedal assist, and three carats meant get off and push.
I converted my Fatbike to a (moped) E-Bike with a 750W kit from Bafang (and a few additional bits) it comes with a throttle attachment, so far clocked up 2500kms to work and back mostly but plenty in the forests and tracks to. Top speed 50kmh but that's with pedaling and top setting assist (9 assist levels), moped only mode will do 25kmh. cost me $2k NZD way cheaper than any e-bikes on the market. The funniest thing is is comes with a 250W sticker to put over the 750W name plate to make it legal on NZ roads ;o)
One thing to clarify a little on the speed limit; the EU regulation only requires the motor to stop assisting at 25km/h, it's not max legal speed for the bike. You're free to go as fast as you can if you keep pedaling it all by yourself. As for the bike itself, I'm not a fan of these hybrids that are not a good bicycle nor a good moped. A regular bicycle is in itself a really great vehicle, and if more people had electric motors in theirs, I think more people would start motorcycling as well.
I got the M21 Pro. Once you do the hack you can get an average speed of 25mph. Much better since I changed the brakes to hydraulics brakes . Original ones were a bit rubbish. Great bike. Loads of fun
Great video Saffy! I recently changed to an ebike with throttle from my motorcycle having been diagnosed with congestive heart failure in April and numerous theft attempts while recovering, it's much less stress, and surprising just how fun an ebike is. Sure I miss my bike, but so glad the pedal ebike exists as an alternative. ❤
@@Royton_Rider because you have gone into so much detail when nobody asked, so you’re either looking for a sympathy comment or you’re just lying to get a reply.
I met a guy in Ireland who bought his electric bike so he could have a cheeky few at the pub and not drink and drive. The local bobby was happy for him to do this aha
The eBikes are less than half the weight of a motorcycle. Different creature. For me pushing on in years, having loved bikes all my life, they get you back out in the air. If you have a short city-based commute they are perfect. I have had a couple at this point. If you are getting the likes of this be sure to get a second battery when you buy. They tend to be half the cost of a replacement when you buy later. And you will need to get another one because they tend to wear down easily. Generally, the cells used internally are 2600mAhr. Not usually the best. So if you have 2, a better plan for replacing one further down the road is to rebuild the cells with, say, 3500mAhr ones. That's cost effective and is not too hard if you know what you are doing. With regard to general longevity we kinda know how it goes. Tyres will go from 3000-5000 miles. Some of the parts are standard bicycle replacement gear - brakes, levels, gears, chainwheel, saddles etc. Often you can upgrade stuff with better than the original factory fitted. Also, if you still have the bike 5 yrs on, there is the prospect of far better and cheaper replacement batteries becoming available as technology improves. But so far, the battery tends to be the central issue. If you like traditional bikes, these will likely excite you. If you are into motorbikes, probably not.
Back in the day the 50cc Moped was very popular as it could be ridden at 16 years of age on the road. They had to be pedalled up hills as the engine could not do it alone (yes they had peddles hence Moped) and 30mph was a dream for most of them. All the rules that applied to full motorcycles applied to them as well but there was no CBT :) We were actually taught in school at 14yrs old to ride them.
In most cases the ones with pedals went 45-50mph. And the pedals were only for legal reasons. The later ones without pedals were required by law to be limited to 30mph. I had a honda mt5 in 1996 and I new around 20 friends with mopeds often 8 of us out riding together it was a great laugh. Most went around 35mph.
Where I work there are a few people who use these bikes to get to work for them it makes a lot of sense you can use them on cycle paths and it they are quicker than a car across town . I see these bikes as a lot more practical than the actual electric motorcycles which are at this moment stupidly expensive for the range and performance they have compared to a normal bike . I would get one for my commute to work it wouldn’t replace either of my motorcycles .
depends what you mean by 'compete' though. Can it go on Bridlepaths, footpaths etc? Probably yes, because it's a bicycle (a grey area), so it completely opens up all the trails that have been closed to offroaders :) I really want to get one so that I can ride the trails in Dartmoor and Exmoor :)
Until there is a major upgrade to battery life i think they will stay a novelty. I was talking to a friend about caravan touring and it's going to be practically impossible come 2030 without a already purchased car. I'm not in favour of the electric revolution. Great video Saffy :)
Its an interesting video, I use an e-bike, but I got it to help me get walking again after serious illness. Its helped and I hope to get a "normal" motorcycle again next year! Legality wise, the bike you have cannot be used on UK roads, as it has a throttle. The requirements are 250w motor, walking mode throttle only (3mph) and motor only assists peddling up to 15.5mph. The bike you have is fine off road, on private land, but cannot be used legally on a public road, or cycle path. So i'm a big fan of ebikes, as one has very much helped me build up my strength again, but we have to stick by the law. I've seen ebikes on the road clearly unrestricted flying along at 40mph, clearly something has to be done as this will affect the law abiding folks in the long run.
Saffy I go to the office on a 1966 Raleigh Runabout RM6. People smile as I pass and I get nearly 150mpg. Perhaps efficient small petrol vehicles are the future if the brainwashed green brigade would really examine the issues properly. Keep up the good content we appreciate the wide range of content.
It's worth noting for anyone thinking of buying one of these. Not only is the throttle illegal, that model is completely illegal as an ebike to use in any public place...on or off road. A legal ebike has to be pedal assist only (not self propelled), can only assist up to 15.5mph, and have a max motor power output of 25 watts. As this bike has a 500w motor, and is self propelled, it has to be registered, taxed, MOTd, and insured. You also need a licence to ride it. It basically is a moped.
I have a 1977 Vespa piaggio ciao 49cc moped. So much fun. I get the weirdest looks when I'm in downtown Denver. When I saw the title of this video, I totally thought you were gonna show me a moped like mine. Oh well.
@@SaffySprocket Saffy my would be friend. I was told by a friend, that a Moped is a legal bike, if you pass a certain test on it, and you also have a motorcycle licence for it, plus it is a legal motorcycle, if you ride it on certain roads. Though I am an ex car driver, so feel free to tell me, to be quiet, be quiet spastic.
Hi, good morning, Saffy, we've already been through this bike thing, and I had to use it for my recovery after the accident 18 years ago, and I no longer want a bike. Kind regards, Ok 👌😀
I often wondered why the government never changed the taxation class 'bicycle' to 'motorcycle', maybe now the reason has finally arrived, bicycles are getting fast enough and popular enough to be taxable, which then begs the question, will they need an MOT and insurance?
To be pedantic, instead of it being called a "pedal-assisted bike" I think it should it be referred to as a "pedal-assisted electric bike" or an "electric-assisted bicycle", this is where ambiguity in the law could come into it. In the late 1940s and through the 1950s, it was not uncommon to see petrol-engined assisted bicycles, these had to conform to most laws of the moped which was slightly less than the motorcycle requiring a minimum of a provisional licence and L plates or a full car driver's licence, vehicle duty, insurance, and number plate all of which in my opinion should be required on all road going vehicles including a bicycle today. A helmet - "a proper helmet" should also be compulsory. But hey keep the videos coming. Thanks.
@@chrishart8548 I respect your opinion, I went through all of this throughout the 1970s 80s, helmet laws on motorcycles and seatbelt laws in cars, then rear seatbelts. Speedlimits, front lights permanently on etc. To every one of these there was opoosition. I personally am no lover of beaurocracy, I personally take into consideration do I think they will save a life and its a very difficult question to answer. Cyclists tend to wear the minimum of safety gear even though the're going along at maybe 40mph in a pack and many times not. I understand why cyclists want to wear the minimum of safety gear but a haed hitting a solid object at 15mph or less let along 40mph can be fatal. I am sure there will be many truck drivers oppossed to cameras covering blind spots along the length of a truck especially when turning left but I personally support this 100% as in this case it is others lives at risk, i.e. school kids though most go to school in SUVs these days and hippy girls on their bikes with baskets on the front or a child on the back.
We've had an electric assist bike for close to 10 years, had the motor replaced on warranty after 2 years I think but other than that just basic bicycle stuff - chain, tires, brakes, sprockets. I don't think I've ever really noticed any degradation of the battery. We never run it completely empty which is the biggest wear from what I've understood. It's a bicycle with permanent downwind! i've considered a proper e-moped (those limited to 45 km/h) but my biggest issue with them is that you'r not allowed to be on the bikelanes (in Sweden) on the side of the road but are supposed to be on the road together with cars and motorcycles. Benefit would be putting on a topbox when going groceryshopping etc which isn't really feasible with a bicycle - they get really wobbly when topheavy...
It seems like the biggest issue is regulation for a lot of people, seems a bit silly really when you think of how much less pollution would go into the air if more peeople ditched the cars and used a bike
I'd rather see you on the bike😅, but I agree with you..... the electra bike is on the rise, although I hope that many continue to enjoy or still want to enjoy a gasoline engine powered moped or motorcycle. and In proportion, electricity is now more expensive than petrol at the moment.
@@SaffySprocket I find the electra bike more for a day of fun, or if you work in the middle of the city and you have no parking at all, I can also understand it. But just like the electric motorbike, it is not something to go quietly without paying attention to the consumption, as you are used to on a normal engine.🙂
Very Nice bike, I have a mini folding fiido L3 and that weighs 24kg, has a huge battery/range loads of fun when unlocked doing 20mph on 14s feels like 40mph, if you see cops tap the brakes cuts out the throttle power and start peddling😅, I weigh 13 stone doing hills and roads in assist 3 and unlocked throttle and getting 50+ miles, I'm wondering if you might be able to unlock the m1?
I have a portage canoe and was recently thinking how cool it would be to have a light powered bike or motorcycle that was storable in the hull, so I could just float and then tow home. Everyone has a dream though then I would want it to be capable of pulling an aluminum canoe tailor at 50 miles per hour for 50 miles.
If you sat on the seat when applying the throttle, it would be much easier to control rather than standing. Anyway, like your channel and have watched all your videos. I’d like to see you go back to Ireland and give it another try. Please keep up your content and stay safe.
Great vid as always. Thinking of getting one to get to work on. Where did you get yours from as can’t find one in the UK anywhere near the price you give in the video
They’re not legal to use on public land. They come under the same statute as electric scooters, not illegal to sell, buy or own, but only for use on private land with the landowner consent. Most of these are Chinese imports, all others won’t have the moped facility and are perfectly legal.
Was you given this bike for free? I've seen other channels talk about Fido bikes before, your review suggests you bought it but it also suggests it's not really useful for anything and isn't road legal so would be hard to justify spending almost a grand on. Transparency is somewhat important.
Hey, yes! If you re-start the video, you should see the disclaimer top left of the screen. I always use CZcams's built-in disclaimer banners when a product has been gifted to me in return for a review. However, please be aware that I never accept any products from a company if they are not prepared for a possible negative review! The gifted item does not affect my personal opinion!
@@SaffySprocket At 1:24 you said you went and purchased it. Anyways I see the promo banner now on my PC just not on my TV. Sounds like I'm having a go but other channels are bit more clear about it.
I think it is more cost effective to convert an old mountain bike to electric than it is to buy new, but only if you already have a bike. I put a befang crank motor on mine and upgraded the front brakes to disc and it made a good commuter bike. I would just charge while at work and had no range issues. That said, until they increase the power density and charging speed of the batteries it won't replace a cycle.
Bought an e-bike 2 years ago to keep me cycling because of a dodgy knee ( motorcycle accident ) I've just put a chip in it now its out of warranty , you can't tell its in and I can switch it off ! I wouldn't want to do high speeds on a bike that only has cable discs , only hydraulic ! I'm now commuting the 6 miles to work and my car has become a roadside ornament tbh and maybe its time to start doing without 🤔 The reason I don't use either of my motorbikes is I leave at 4am and they are pretty loud 🤣
A pedal assist hybrid bicycle with normal size wheels would give a nicer/safer ride and be more efficient. An on/off switch is more useful than a throttle for slow speed control and a cadence sensor is better than a torque sensor unless you're prepared to put in more effort. A 750/1000w motor would be needed to compete with a moped and a massive battery for useful range. The batteries last about 10 years and can be rebuilt, unlike human legs, use it or lose it!
Saffy ye it was very interesting ,but me being one of the heavier bikers I don't think it would be for me , take care X stay safe xx luv always Cliff xxxxx 🍀💕😘🙏
Awesome content and very informative..electric bikes or cars not for me..l know it's the future..but hey still a petrol ⛽ head..love my bikes...thanks staffy great channel..keep biking 🏍✌️👍
Where do you draw the line between these electric bicycles & low powered (i.e. 50cc) motorcycles? As a motorcycle has to be registered, taxed & insured that surely can't be far away for this type of machine. I know this is limited to 25kph but that limit can easily be raised.
I have throttle and pressure peddle assist 5 levels plus power mode ! 8 speed does 64 kilometers speed wise just on throttle ! Upside down forks and dropper seat ,tubeless tyres ,dual suspension ! Up hill on throttle 50 ! Shop bought custom build ! I RIDE A 1400 WATT AND DON'T CARE 58.8 wat ! $14000 !
These electric "bikes" are hugely popular here in China and we loath them. As a car driver if a rider hits you coming out of a side road it's your fault, always. As a pedestrian they are a true menace as they ride their deregulated (40KPH) scooters at full speed on the pavement beeping their extra loud horns if you get in their way. All of the high rise flats have banned the taking of batteries to be charged indoors because of numerous fires started by the batteries exploding.
Nice bike but it only designed as sports nike, i have fiido m21, some costumers love both sports and utility bike so some love rear shelf like otner electric bikes
@@HuwPewPewyea those brakes look amazing & im sure the rotational mass in those fat tires make it a dream dropping into corners ... the hing in the middle dosnt worry me at all so im sure its fine 🤣🤣
@@topperharley6731 it weighs 25 kilos, the brakes don't need to be amazing if you're doing 15mph lol. The hinge is neither here nor there unless you're way over the weight limit. It's basically a pushbike that does pushbike speeds 🤷
Miss Saffron, the bike is totally illegal to use on the roads in the UK and EU so officially you shouldn't be recommending it for road use. You could try registering it as a moped but it wouldn't meet construction and use regulations and the law isn't going to change, I know this because I work in the industry. By 2030 all new bikes up to 125cc will be illegal so only electric with be available. Assuming that you will be a life long biker sometime before 2040 you'll be riding an electric motorcycle. You thought travelling at night was scary just wait when range anxiety hits you. A brave new world awaits!!
If you're not peddling,how can it detect your power or cadence? Looks to me more like those pesky electric scooters. Hardly a gateway to a full license. When's the big trip?
Interesting video Saffy but this type of bike would not be for me. I love my 2012 Triumph T100 and 1982 Honda CB250rs. I am now looking for a BMW R65, so electric is not for me. 😊👍
Saying no need for tax or insurance is a benefit doesn't really work. If you want one of those, you might also quite happily ride a motorcycle with no tax or MOT. Either way you're breaking the law. Riding them on footpaths is way worse than the road though. The forest owners will have increasingly high repair costs for the footpaths. As well as damage to the vegetation. Mountain bikes cause some damage, now double the weight, and triple the speed, and that rate of damage rises quickly. I dont know that I think these need be totally illegal. But the current law certainly needs adjusting if to allow for them. Especially as people will always abuse the law anyway.
@@SaffySprocket unless that moped mode is locked out. It has to be treated as a moped though. Current law doesnt cover all these intricacies, witht the biggest issue being the ease of ignoring them
Don't you need a number plate, tax, insurance and a helmet to use it on the road? Basically all the stuff you need with a moped. The Type Approval plate will be all the police are interested in. I think the worst aspect of getting pulled on the road would be Driving with no insurance which would be legally the same as driving a car without insurance i.e. points, fine, big jump in car, motorcycle insurance premiums.
With no front mudguard, the rider will get absolutely plastered in crud or soaked in wet conditions. A bit of a gimmick, but Chinese and we all know the quality of their small bikes and mopeds is open to discussion. Take care on it Saffy.
I'd say this is more of a fad, than an actual mode of transport. I certainly can't see one parked in my garage lol. For me it's just another bit of tech that some people will buy, but not really need. Great video though, especially the bits of you trying to 'throttle on' lol.
👍👍👍 great video staffy, I'm 50/50 about e bike as I can see the point of them in some ways, but are illegal but have heard they could be legal in 2024 so it will be interesting.
Yes! I've been following the law very closely, they were suppose to be made legal act year but the government keeps pushing the review back, I was really annoyed because I have a scooter and as excited about the new law coming into play this year, then they pushed it back 2 years 😑😑😑
pretty rubbish for the price that you're paying your pay £900 for that but you step back to be better I've seen backs what are cheaper than that do better and the twist and go 30 ml 34 mph it's not really the nicest spikes because there's nice about what are cheaper what do better performance
Interesting, but no thanks. I am NOT interested in pedaling AT ALL. I will rather stick to the very trusted internal combustion engine. Just give me my Yamaha and I am as happy as I can be.
On the seat tube just behind where it says Mi Pro, if you follow the line down from where the shock mounting is. the box section (joining the main frame to the rear of the bike) is welded (from what I can see on my screen) at a guess 10mm from the shock mount, at the bottom it is pretty much central to the tube. That would be the first thing that would stand out to my engineering brain upon first seeing it. Carry on the great content and I'd love to see more electric bike reviews, as I have concerns about the disposal of the used batteries. Went to a classic car show this weekend and saw something I'd never seen! Look up The Cyclemaster, an old classic concept peddle bike
I once knew a man who was ex-military and disabled, he had an electric bicycle to help prevent him from exerting his heart too much, it was the only way he can ride a bike and it helped get him out the house
I toured through France on a 49 cc moped. The hills were marked with one, two, or three carats to indicate the percentage of grade. In practice, one carat meant full throttle, two carats meant full throttle plus pedal assist, and three carats meant get off and push.
I converted my Fatbike to a (moped) E-Bike with a 750W kit from Bafang (and a few additional bits) it comes with a throttle attachment, so far clocked up 2500kms to work and back mostly but plenty in the forests and tracks to. Top speed 50kmh but that's with pedaling and top setting assist (9 assist levels), moped only mode will do 25kmh. cost me $2k NZD way cheaper than any e-bikes on the market. The funniest thing is is comes with a 250W sticker to put over the 750W name plate to make it legal on NZ roads ;o)
One thing to clarify a little on the speed limit; the EU regulation only requires the motor to stop assisting at 25km/h, it's not max legal speed for the bike. You're free to go as fast as you can if you keep pedaling it all by yourself.
As for the bike itself, I'm not a fan of these hybrids that are not a good bicycle nor a good moped. A regular bicycle is in itself a really great vehicle, and if more people had electric motors in theirs, I think more people would start motorcycling as well.
I think for a commute bike they're ace if you don't want to show up sweaty for work, but as a bicycle I would avoid
I got the M21 Pro. Once you do the hack you can get an average speed of 25mph.
Much better since I changed the brakes to hydraulics brakes . Original ones were a bit rubbish. Great bike. Loads of fun
Great video Saffy! I recently changed to an ebike with throttle from my motorcycle having been diagnosed with congestive heart failure in April and numerous theft attempts while recovering, it's much less stress, and surprising just how fun an ebike is. Sure I miss my bike, but so glad the pedal ebike exists as an alternative. ❤
Sure lance. We all believe you.
@@Grimm66613 may I ask what you're assuming I'm lying of?
@@Royton_Rider because you have gone into so much detail when nobody asked, so you’re either looking for a sympathy comment or you’re just lying to get a reply.
None of the above actually, merely stating my experience with ebikes. So take your bad day elsewhere.
I met a guy in Ireland who bought his electric bike so he could have a cheeky few at the pub and not drink and drive. The local bobby was happy for him to do this aha
The eBikes are less than half the weight of a motorcycle. Different creature. For me pushing on in years, having loved bikes all my life, they get you back out in the air. If you have a short city-based commute they are perfect. I have had a couple at this point. If you are getting the likes of this be sure to get a second battery when you buy. They tend to be half the cost of a replacement when you buy later. And you will need to get another one because they tend to wear down easily. Generally, the cells used internally are 2600mAhr. Not usually the best. So if you have 2, a better plan for replacing one further down the road is to rebuild the cells with, say, 3500mAhr ones. That's cost effective and is not too hard if you know what you are doing. With regard to general longevity we kinda know how it goes. Tyres will go from 3000-5000 miles. Some of the parts are standard bicycle replacement gear - brakes, levels, gears, chainwheel, saddles etc. Often you can upgrade stuff with better than the original factory fitted. Also, if you still have the bike 5 yrs on, there is the prospect of far better and cheaper replacement batteries becoming available as technology improves. But so far, the battery tends to be the central issue. If you like traditional bikes, these will likely excite you. If you are into motorbikes, probably not.
Back in the day the 50cc Moped was very popular as it could be ridden at 16 years of age on the road. They had to be pedalled up hills as the engine could not do it alone (yes they had peddles hence Moped) and 30mph was a dream for most of them. All the rules that applied to full motorcycles applied to them as well but there was no CBT :) We were actually taught in school at 14yrs old to ride them.
Oh man, I remember riding a 125cc up a hill and it just wouldn't shift, couldn't imagine trying to get a 50cc up a hill
In most cases the ones with pedals went 45-50mph. And the pedals were only for legal reasons. The later ones without pedals were required by law to be limited to 30mph. I had a honda mt5 in 1996 and I new around 20 friends with mopeds often 8 of us out riding together it was a great laugh. Most went around 35mph.
@@chrishart8548 I think I may be just a little older than you ;) LOL. Yes though later ones did get faster
Great to meet you last evening at Chester Triumph Saffron 👍🏼👍🏼
Where I work there are a few people who use these bikes to get to work for them it makes a lot of sense you can use them on cycle paths and it they are quicker than a car across town . I see these bikes as a lot more practical than the actual electric motorcycles which are at this moment stupidly expensive for the range and performance they have compared to a normal bike . I would get one for my commute to work it wouldn’t replace either of my motorcycles .
If my workplace was in a commuting zone from my house, I'd totally use it, however, it's just not the same experience as a motorcycle
Saffy? More like spaffy 😍😍
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depends what you mean by 'compete' though. Can it go on Bridlepaths, footpaths etc? Probably yes, because it's a bicycle (a grey area), so it completely opens up all the trails that have been closed to offroaders :) I really want to get one so that I can ride the trails in Dartmoor and Exmoor :)
true true true ;)
Until there is a major upgrade to battery life i think they will stay a novelty. I was talking to a friend about caravan touring and it's going to be practically impossible come 2030 without a already purchased car. I'm not in favour of the electric revolution. Great video Saffy :)
I agree actually, I love electric bikes, but the battery live is the biggest hold-back at this point in time
Just buy a car in 2029 it will only be a year old by then should still work hopefully.
I find the range to be fine considering you can take it on public transport for long distances but the slow charging speed is really a killer.
Its an interesting video, I use an e-bike, but I got it to help me get walking again after serious illness. Its helped and I hope to get a "normal" motorcycle again next year!
Legality wise, the bike you have cannot be used on UK roads, as it has a throttle. The requirements are 250w motor, walking mode throttle only (3mph) and motor only assists peddling up to 15.5mph.
The bike you have is fine off road, on private land, but cannot be used legally on a public road, or cycle path.
So i'm a big fan of ebikes, as one has very much helped me build up my strength again, but we have to stick by the law. I've seen ebikes on the road clearly unrestricted flying along at 40mph, clearly something has to be done as this will affect the law abiding folks in the long run.
Saffy I go to the office on a 1966 Raleigh Runabout RM6. People smile as I pass and I get nearly 150mpg. Perhaps efficient small petrol vehicles are the future if the brainwashed green brigade would really examine the issues properly. Keep up the good content we appreciate the wide range of content.
So glad you enjoyed the video 📹 😊 ☺️
Its not only budget friendly but even more powerful than those 4k€ emtbs.
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It's worth noting for anyone thinking of buying one of these. Not only is the throttle illegal, that model is completely illegal as an ebike to use in any public place...on or off road. A legal ebike has to be pedal assist only (not self propelled), can only assist up to 15.5mph, and have a max motor power output of 25 watts. As this bike has a 500w motor, and is self propelled, it has to be registered, taxed, MOTd, and insured. You also need a licence to ride it. It basically is a moped.
Now I want one even more… 👍😉
🤣🤣🤣 government is suppose to be making them legal in 2024 *touch wood*
Edit: should say 250w, not 25w
Ross. Obviously a personal choice, but just didn't want anyone to buy one without knowing.
In America if it has peddles its a bycicle. If it dont then its an electric motorcycle. There is probably speed restrictions though.
I have a 1977 Vespa piaggio ciao 49cc moped. So much fun. I get the weirdest looks when I'm in downtown Denver. When I saw the title of this video, I totally thought you were gonna show me a moped like mine. Oh well.
ah sorry! No It's the new fiido m1 pro :D
@@SaffySprocket Saffy my would be friend. I was told by a friend, that a Moped is a legal bike, if you pass a certain test on it, and you also have a motorcycle licence for it, plus it is a legal motorcycle, if you ride it on certain roads. Though I am an ex car driver, so feel free to tell me, to be quiet, be quiet spastic.
Hi, good morning, Saffy, we've already been through this bike thing, and I had to use it for my recovery after the accident 18 years ago, and I no longer want a bike. Kind regards, Ok 👌😀
I often wondered why the government never changed the taxation class 'bicycle' to 'motorcycle', maybe now the reason has finally arrived, bicycles are getting fast enough and popular enough to be taxable, which then begs the question, will they need an MOT and insurance?
I think an individual electric bicycle won't last long enough to need an MOT tbh
To be pedantic, instead of it being called a "pedal-assisted bike" I think it should it be referred to as a "pedal-assisted electric bike" or an "electric-assisted bicycle", this is where ambiguity in the law could come into it.
In the late 1940s and through the 1950s, it was not uncommon to see petrol-engined assisted bicycles, these had to conform to most laws of the moped which was slightly less than the motorcycle requiring a minimum of a provisional licence and L plates or a full car driver's licence, vehicle duty, insurance, and number plate all of which in my opinion should be required on all road going vehicles including a bicycle today.
A helmet - "a proper helmet" should also be compulsory. But hey keep the videos coming. Thanks.
I 100% agree with them needing proper helmets ⛑️
I think it should still be a choice over helmets not law. But I support wearing them.
@@chrishart8548 I respect your opinion, I went through all of this throughout the 1970s 80s, helmet laws on motorcycles and seatbelt laws in cars, then rear seatbelts.
Speedlimits, front lights permanently on etc. To every one of these there was opoosition.
I personally am no lover of beaurocracy, I personally take into consideration do I think they will save a life and its a very difficult question to answer.
Cyclists tend to wear the minimum of safety gear even though the're going along at maybe 40mph in a pack and many times not. I understand why cyclists want to wear the minimum of safety gear but a haed hitting a solid object at 15mph or less let along 40mph can be fatal.
I am sure there will be many truck drivers oppossed to cameras covering blind spots along the length of a truck especially when turning left but I personally support this 100% as in this case it is others lives at risk, i.e. school kids though most go to school in SUVs these days and hippy girls on their bikes with baskets on the front or a child on the back.
Ive got the fiido t1 cargo bike and love it🙌
We've had an electric assist bike for close to 10 years, had the motor replaced on warranty after 2 years I think but other than that just basic bicycle stuff - chain, tires, brakes, sprockets. I don't think I've ever really noticed any degradation of the battery. We never run it completely empty which is the biggest wear from what I've understood. It's a bicycle with permanent downwind! i've considered a proper e-moped (those limited to 45 km/h) but my biggest issue with them is that you'r not allowed to be on the bikelanes (in Sweden) on the side of the road but are supposed to be on the road together with cars and motorcycles. Benefit would be putting on a topbox when going groceryshopping etc which isn't really feasible with a bicycle - they get really wobbly when topheavy...
It seems like the biggest issue is regulation for a lot of people, seems a bit silly really when you think of how much less pollution would go into the air if more peeople ditched the cars and used a bike
* nobody shoot against sun *
Saffy:
I'd rather see you on the bike😅, but I agree with you..... the electra bike is on the rise, although I hope that many continue to enjoy or still want to enjoy a gasoline engine powered moped or motorcycle. and In proportion, electricity is now more expensive than petrol at the moment.
They're fun, but it's just not the same! I much prefer my motorcycle
@@SaffySprocket I find the electra bike more for a day of fun, or if you work in the middle of the city and you have no parking at all, I can also understand it. But just like the electric motorbike, it is not something to go quietly without paying attention to the consumption, as you are used to on a normal engine.🙂
Very Nice bike, I have a mini folding fiido L3 and that weighs 24kg, has a huge battery/range loads of fun when unlocked doing 20mph on 14s feels like 40mph, if you see cops tap the brakes cuts out the throttle power and start peddling😅, I weigh 13 stone doing hills and roads in assist 3 and unlocked throttle and getting 50+ miles, I'm wondering if you might be able to unlock the m1?
Yes you can unlock the m1 it goes 40kmph on flat
I have a portage canoe and was recently thinking how cool it would be to have a light powered bike or motorcycle that was storable in the hull, so I could just float and then tow home. Everyone has a dream though then I would want it to be capable of pulling an aluminum canoe tailor at 50 miles per hour for 50 miles.
Nice video and informative on E-bikes
Glad you enjoyed it 😊
@@SaffySprocket I have read your new project details in Twitter and hope everyone will be exited to watch your new project
If you sat on the seat when applying the throttle, it would be much easier to control rather than standing.
Anyway, like your channel and have watched all your videos. I’d like to see you go back to Ireland and give it another try.
Please keep up your content and stay safe.
I'll ne back in Ireland but probably next year realistically
Great vid as always. Thinking of getting one to get to work on. Where did you get yours from as can’t find one in the UK anywhere near the price you give in the video
They’re not legal to use on public land.
They come under the same statute as electric scooters, not illegal to sell, buy or own, but only for use on private land with the landowner consent.
Most of these are Chinese imports, all others won’t have the moped facility and are perfectly legal.
This is correct :^)
I think its more of a trend thing at the moment. Old 50cc mopeds used to have pedals. All I got from this is, how do you get into those trousers?
In your dreams?
Was you given this bike for free? I've seen other channels talk about Fido bikes before, your review suggests you bought it but it also suggests it's not really useful for anything and isn't road legal so would be hard to justify spending almost a grand on. Transparency is somewhat important.
Hey, yes! If you re-start the video, you should see the disclaimer top left of the screen. I always use CZcams's built-in disclaimer banners when a product has been gifted to me in return for a review. However, please be aware that I never accept any products from a company if they are not prepared for a possible negative review! The gifted item does not affect my personal opinion!
@@SaffySprocket At 1:24 you said you went and purchased it. Anyways I see the promo banner now on my PC just not on my TV. Sounds like I'm having a go but other channels are bit more clear about it.
@@zodd67 Hi, I did purchase it with a discount applied 🙂
@@SaffySprocket Okay, well if it wasn't free then fair play. Apologies for the assumption I've never knew it was a thing!
Long way behind a moped in performance though
Totally agree, it's in a league of its own
I think it is more cost effective to convert an old mountain bike to electric than it is to buy new, but only if you already have a bike. I put a befang crank motor on mine and upgraded the front brakes to disc and it made a good commuter bike. I would just charge while at work and had no range issues.
That said, until they increase the power density and charging speed of the batteries it won't replace a cycle.
I've actually seen a few companies that have produced add-on kits to do just this very thing!
Went to a classic car show this weekend and saw something I'd never seen! Look up The Cyclemaster, an old classic concept peddle bike
Went to a classic car show this weekend and saw something I'd never seen! Look up The Cyclemaster, an old classic concept peddle bike
Bought an e-bike 2 years ago to keep me cycling because of a dodgy knee ( motorcycle accident ) I've just put a chip in it now its out of warranty , you can't tell its in and I can switch it off ! I wouldn't want to do high speeds on a bike that only has cable discs , only hydraulic !
I'm now commuting the 6 miles to work and my car has become a roadside ornament tbh and maybe its time to start doing without 🤔
The reason I don't use either of my motorbikes is I leave at 4am and they are pretty loud 🤣
Got a pedal assist bike 6 years ago for 2300 pounds battery failed 2 month ago cost 450 pounds now motor failed cost 550 pounds is it worth it?
I do wonder about the shelf life of e-bikes
A pedal assist hybrid bicycle with normal size wheels would give a nicer/safer ride and be more efficient. An on/off switch is more useful than a throttle for slow speed control and a cadence sensor is better than a torque sensor unless you're prepared to put in more effort. A 750/1000w motor would be needed to compete with a moped and a massive battery for useful range. The batteries last about 10 years and can be rebuilt, unlike human legs, use it or lose it!
Good points there 👏
Saffy ye it was very interesting ,but me being one of the heavier bikers I don't think it would be for me , take care X stay safe xx luv always Cliff xxxxx 🍀💕😘🙏
I like it, but in its own right!
Awesome content and very informative..electric bikes or cars not for me..l know it's the future..but hey still a petrol ⛽ head..love my bikes...thanks staffy great channel..keep biking 🏍✌️👍
I love electric motorcycles, they're so fun but I think e-bikes are in a league of their own
Where do you draw the line between these electric bicycles & low powered (i.e. 50cc) motorcycles? As a motorcycle has to be registered, taxed & insured that surely can't be far away for this type of machine. I know this is limited to 25kph but that limit can easily be raised.
I think they need to make a new class realistically
I have throttle and pressure peddle assist 5 levels plus power mode ! 8 speed does 64 kilometers speed wise just on throttle !
Upside down forks and dropper seat ,tubeless tyres ,dual suspension ! Up hill on throttle 50 ! Shop bought custom build ! I RIDE A 1400 WATT AND DON'T CARE 58.8 wat ! $14000 !
hello i from Greece, i always have bike moutain bike, not elecric. I m 1.58cm can i have it? is for short people ? i have normal bike not short.
These electric "bikes" are hugely popular here in China and we loath them. As a car driver if a rider hits you coming out of a side road it's your fault, always. As a pedestrian they are a true menace as they ride their deregulated (40KPH) scooters at full speed on the pavement beeping their extra loud horns if you get in their way. All of the high rise flats have banned the taking of batteries to be charged indoors because of numerous fires started by the batteries exploding.
I think the issue is infrastructure, in most of Europe there are separate lanes for walking, cycling and cars, but in the UK they're awful
Nice bike but it only designed as sports nike, i have fiido m21, some costumers love both sports and utility bike so some love rear shelf like otner electric bikes
You definitely need to get a lambretta now there well fun 😊
You should checkout a Sur Ron , it looks like a dirt bike and has a 60 V motor
Thing looks like a wheeled death trap ... i just wish the major player's in the motorcycle industry would get into this electric motorcycle game.
It was a little scary I must admit 😳 😅
How is it more dangerous than a motorcycle? It's slower and has less mass so stopping and manoeuvrability is going to be much higher.
@@HuwPewPewyea those brakes look amazing & im sure the rotational mass in those fat tires make it a dream dropping into corners ... the hing in the middle dosnt worry me at all so im sure its fine 🤣🤣
@@topperharley6731 it weighs 25 kilos, the brakes don't need to be amazing if you're doing 15mph lol. The hinge is neither here nor there unless you're way over the weight limit. It's basically a pushbike that does pushbike speeds 🤷
@@HuwPewPew fair point so probably not actually any more dangerous, its only as danger as the maniacs riding it .... haha 😉
think ill stick to me scooter. wonder if you coild loan single wheel trailer be interest for camping etc
A trailer 🤣 imagine
@@SaffySprocket seen a few on here
Is it a bicycle or an e-motor bike because of the law I know people who have had huge fines for using e-scooter's
If you use the bike on pedal asset mode, it's legal, if you use the bike on moped mode, it's illegal
But then on a proper e-bicycle you would get the choice it would only be assisted pedaling. So would the law allow.
Where did you purchase from?
www.fiido.com/products/fiido-m1-folding-fat-tire-electric-mountain-bike :^)
Well that was out of the blue. 🇦🇺♥️
Curiosity 😅
Miss Saffron, the bike is totally illegal to use on the roads in the UK and EU so officially you shouldn't be recommending it for road use. You could try registering it as a moped but it wouldn't meet construction and use regulations and the law isn't going to change, I know this because I work in the industry. By 2030 all new bikes up to 125cc will be illegal so only electric with be available. Assuming that you will be a life long biker sometime before 2040 you'll be riding an electric motorcycle. You thought travelling at night was scary just wait when range anxiety hits you. A brave new world awaits!!
I think you missed the section in my video where I talk about them being illegal :p
If you're not peddling,how can it detect your power or cadence? Looks to me more like those pesky electric scooters. Hardly a gateway to a full license. When's the big trip?
It has a throttle and soooooooon 🥰
Interesting video Saffy but this type of bike would not be for me. I love my 2012 Triumph T100 and 1982 Honda CB250rs. I am now looking for a BMW R65, so electric is not for me. 😊👍
Saying no need for tax or insurance is a benefit doesn't really work.
If you want one of those, you might also quite happily ride a motorcycle with no tax or MOT. Either way you're breaking the law.
Riding them on footpaths is way worse than the road though. The forest owners will have increasingly high repair costs for the footpaths. As well as damage to the vegetation. Mountain bikes cause some damage, now double the weight, and triple the speed, and that rate of damage rises quickly.
I dont know that I think these need be totally illegal. But the current law certainly needs adjusting if to allow for them. Especially as people will always abuse the law anyway.
Only on moped mode :-) Pedal assist mode is just a regular bike
@@SaffySprocket unless that moped mode is locked out. It has to be treated as a moped though. Current law doesnt cover all these intricacies, witht the biggest issue being the ease of ignoring them
Safroon, don't make deals with the (electric) devil. 🤣 Beautiful hair though...
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Don't you need a number plate, tax, insurance and a helmet to use it on the road? Basically all the stuff you need with a moped. The Type Approval plate will be all the police are interested in. I think the worst aspect of getting pulled on the road would be Driving with no insurance which would be legally the same as driving a car without insurance i.e. points, fine, big jump in car, motorcycle insurance premiums.
On moped mode, yes! Using it as a pedal assisted mode, no. It's pretty dumb 😅
With no front mudguard, the rider will get absolutely plastered in crud or soaked in wet conditions. A bit of a gimmick, but Chinese and we all know the quality of their small bikes and mopeds is open to discussion. Take care on it Saffy.
I'd say this is more of a fad, than an actual mode of transport. I certainly can't see one parked in my garage lol. For me it's just another bit of tech that some people will buy, but not really need. Great video though, especially the bits of you trying to 'throttle on' lol.
I'd be interested to see if they are are a fad, I actually think they won't be, especially with the food delivery services
Yes, deliverjustubereatsoo people would probably welcome one, especially if they can get a quick charge up.
👍👍👍 great video staffy, I'm 50/50 about e bike as I can see the point of them in some ways, but are illegal but have heard they could be legal in 2024 so it will be interesting.
Yes! I've been following the law very closely, they were suppose to be made legal act year but the government keeps pushing the review back, I was really annoyed because I have a scooter and as excited about the new law coming into play this year, then they pushed it back 2 years 😑😑😑
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pretty rubbish for the price that you're paying your pay £900 for that but you step back to be better I've seen backs what are cheaper than that do better and the twist and go 30 ml 34 mph it's not really the nicest spikes because there's nice about what are cheaper what do better performance
Once again a pathetic range and no use for either group of potential buyers! Petrol for me, though I’d love a low cost electric commute
Looking at the inside of the frame, o totally think they could have fit 2 batteries in !
Interesting, but no thanks. I am NOT interested in pedaling AT ALL. I will rather stick to the very trusted internal combustion engine. Just give me my Yamaha and I am as happy as I can be.
I must admit, I do prefer my bike, but it was a lot of fun to play on
The steel plate cutting and the welding on the down tube under the seat is abysmal. I'd love those tyres to make something more interesting though
Are you referring to the frame? There's a section where it opens up and you can remove the battery 🔋
On the seat tube just behind where it says Mi Pro, if you follow the line down from where the shock mounting is. the box section (joining the main frame to the rear of the bike) is welded (from what I can see on my screen) at a guess 10mm from the shock mount, at the bottom it is pretty much central to the tube. That would be the first thing that would stand out to my engineering brain upon first seeing it. Carry on the great content and I'd love to see more electric bike reviews, as I have concerns about the disposal of the used batteries. Went to a classic car show this weekend and saw something I'd never seen! Look up The Cyclemaster, an old classic concept peddle bike
It would appeal to cyclists,as for bikers yer maybe the younger ones definitely not me😢
I actually think this bike was harder to balance than my motorcycle
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Unlock it, and get 50kmh
NOPE, not interested in electric bikes.
Have you tried electric motorbikes? They're surprisingly a lot of fun
The Ebike in this video would not currently be legal to ride in the UK accept on private land with the land owners permission.
camera man/girl needs retraining 😁
I just think people are getting extremely lazy , what’s wrong with using their legs .So much healthier 😊👍👍
I once knew a man who was ex-military and disabled, he had an electric bicycle to help prevent him from exerting his heart too much, it was the only way he can ride a bike and it helped get him out the house